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Title: ID ?????
Post by: SKGS on April 30, 2011, 08:51:46 pm
Need to ID this "entity" if possible and I don't know where to start.
It has been bothering my daughter at night for several weeks now. It comes out from under her bed and sits on her so she can't move and tells her that it will eat her soul. Other times it meets her in the bathroom, which is next to her room and says "my will is stronger and people have fought against my will and have lost and were pulled into the divide."
I have been talking to her and assured her that it can do nothing to her. I have also noticed that she is unusually tired and is retreating to her room more than usual.

Forgot to add this. The day after she made me aware of what was going on and I wanted to start on researching this matter I got sick. The dr. couldn't find anything wrong but I was drained of energy and stayed in bed for a week. Don't know if this has anything to do with it.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Nina on May 01, 2011, 06:39:57 am
You clearly need to protect your child and yourself. We have more then one topic describing ways to do that, but till you manage to research id advise to put pure iron under her bed, on the wall, also, it wouldnt hurt to make lil bags with salt, ash and one stone and always carry them with you. There are other way too, but this is a good start. Also it wouldnt hurt to seek advice from someone that you trust spiritually. A priest if you are christian p.e. Cleaning the house with thyme and bell sound works well too.

ps: if you are really set to id this creature, that would mean you would have to get its name, and i wouldnt recommend that to someone that never did that, its very dangerous and takes certain "pay" to get it too
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Anaya on May 01, 2011, 07:42:34 am
This sounds familiar but I don't know from where... (I have memory issues :/ so this isn't new). Nina has great methods for protection and if you don't want people questioning things, something a little less... major for on-person protection is like a Mc Donald's packet of salt in a backpack (your daughter) or wallet. It will help a little. Also, try going to neutral locations to try to 'balance out' and see if that helps with the tiredness (I.E. For me that's the 24 hour Walmart, or going by a church that is in service Sunday morning or Wednesday night or even just going to say... your parents house or a close friend you've known for a long time and who's energy is stable and peaceful to you.

And now I return to rest after a long night...
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: SKGS on May 01, 2011, 10:33:29 am
The psy-vamp came to my mind to. It seems to fit.
She also has told me that it was not after her but was trying to get to me.

I will try the cleansing and protections that you have suggested.
thanks
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Nina on May 01, 2011, 11:40:21 am
Hm, i dont think its a psy vamp, and this is why: "my will is stronger and people have fought against my will and have lost and were pulled into the divide."
Id say its a demon.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: ViciouslyMe on May 01, 2011, 12:02:29 pm
I don't think there's enough information to identify it, seems like there are too many possibilities. Still, the advice given should help.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Nina on May 01, 2011, 01:15:19 pm
well, the thing is, psys dont usually do it this way if u know what i mean, they dont need to come to a lil girls room to feed, they do it wherever they want, public places, transport, restaurants.... this sounds more sinister, thats why i think its a demon. Psys dont have ego issues like most of the demons do, they are also not very stronger than normal humans, so to be able to manifest itself like that... i dunno, just doesnt sound like a psy
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Loki on May 01, 2011, 01:57:34 pm
There are many ways to cleanse a place. Make a research for apotropaic on monstrous or google. Prayers can be effective if you have any faith.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Nina on May 01, 2011, 02:56:40 pm
Well, i dunno, i still think that psy vamps (since they really dont have some superabilities other than draining others life force) couldnt manifest themselves like that. But there are ways to find out, by placing different protections it shouldnt take too long to figure that one out.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: onepiece on May 01, 2011, 03:20:02 pm
when i read the part when she met the thing in the bathroom it was somehow clear to me....................its not a demon nor a psy vampire...............i think (my opinion) it may be a djinn........... yes a djinn........ it is obvious to me that he was under her bed and in the bathroom..........and thats where djinn like to hide....(i know out of really sure source)....and about the life energy draining "Their main source of nourishment is the absorption of energy from life forms.   The best is the draining of a soul, but is difficult to do and is considered unlawful.  It  is, however, practiced by certain powerful  renegrade Djinn.  The vampiric absorption of the life force can be quite detrimental to people, and cause health problems." while researching i found this somewhere in the net (http://www.djinnuniverse.com/faqs-about-the-djinn (http://www.djinnuniverse.com/faqs-about-the-djinn) it may be helpful.   so yeah this is my opinion cause it was the first thing that came to my mind........(it it *may* be true)

so i say that it is my opinion

so what you may be dealing with could be a powerful djinn (or not)..........and if it is after you....you could have done something to it...........or its just hungry...... i dont know exactly

so yeah on ways how to get rid of it (if it is a djinn <i still say that this is my opinion and may not be true)
there is an islamic ritual that i have posted somewhere here on the forum its kind of an exorcism as in islam djin are strongly believed as part of our existance the link:( http://www.monstrous.com/forum/index.php?topic=11080.15 (http://www.monstrous.com/forum/index.php?topic=11080.15)
i can only guarantee that it will work (if its a djinn) (and no matter what religion<as theyr'e all the same> there is one god but this is not the point) and this is the only way i know on how to get rid of it

and (if its a djinn) get some evil eye talismans.........cause.....well i dont really have time to explain but do it.....it helps afterwards (when you get rid of it)

and about where i know this stuff and why im so sure about it..........djinn are a various part of folklore here where i live (and we had to deal with em)

so yeah i cant say it enough its only my opinion .

for more info you know where you find me

dont forget salt and iron for protection just like nina said (they are afraid of it)

Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Nina on May 01, 2011, 03:23:32 pm
muslims call it a djinn, catholics call it a demon...
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: ViciouslyMe on May 01, 2011, 03:37:17 pm
Are yall even sure her energy is being drained? I mean if this thing is doing what she said, then isn't it possible that the daughter's not getting enough sleep? Just a thought, because it seems everyone is certain that her energy is being drained. But I don't think its definite with the information given.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: onepiece on May 01, 2011, 03:43:23 pm
muslims call it a djinn, catholics call it a demon...

ok...........but demon's dont really tend to dry you out..........they more want to kill or something that has to do with death...............so i partly agree with u.......

muslims call demons sheytan.........not actually djinn but sometimes they mix it up....(couse very very evil djinn are sometimes called sheytan too) ....believe me......

i believe that djinn dry humans out of theyr life energy couse its the fast and dirty way to feed........   if this topic about the djinn needs some arguing well make another topic about it....(couse this is a mayday mayday post so...)
Are yall even sure her energy is being drained? I mean if this thing is doing what he said, then isn't it possible that she's not getting enough sleep? Just a thought, because it seems everyone is certain that her energy is being drained. But I don't think its definite with the information given.

that wouldn't explain him getting sick for a week while doing research around that place

but definitely more info is needed
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: ViciouslyMe on May 01, 2011, 03:44:33 pm
Draining energy is not the only way for someone to feel sick. It just seems that everyone could be way off if the observation is being taken the wrong way.

And demons arn't soley out for the purpose of death, suffering is a huge part of what they do. Not that I agree with it being a demon, just stating something about them.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: ViciouslyMe on May 01, 2011, 03:48:57 pm
Like I said, I'm not saying its not a possibility. But I could have sworn there were other things that could cause loss of energy, and not necessarily all of them dealt with draining it. I just think we should be a bit more sure, and if we could get more information. Every bit helps.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Nina on May 01, 2011, 04:06:13 pm
Not all demons would wanna kill u, they enjoy suffering and torture too, so to make someone weak and scared is more of their thing then killing someone right away. But i do get the point anyways. Could be something else. Which i doubt, but true, we need more info to be sure.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: SKGS on May 01, 2011, 05:50:23 pm
Would it be a good idear to sleep in her room? I have not felt or seen anything in the rest of the house.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: ViciouslyMe on May 01, 2011, 06:39:16 pm
I would definitely suggest a blessing or cleansing of the house, I mean from what I've seen that can help with a lot of things. And yeah, it might not be good for her to sleep alone for the time being. Still, if you learn anything new, make your to let us know. Like I said, the more information the better. Even the small details can sometimes help.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: ravinclaw on May 02, 2011, 07:18:41 am
It would be a good idea to try to document some of this activity. Maybe put a camera and audio recorder in her room. I know the main concern is to keep her safe, but if it gets worse and it very well may, its good to have proof. There are people who can get rid of this thing whatever it is, but the good ones want proof. Another thing that is a must, you have to take her to a doctor to make sure there are no physical problems. Believe it or not, something as simple as a kidny infection can cause some people to holucinate. If that turns out alright the doctor may recomend a shrink. If so, do it. If physical and mental problems are ruled out, then other actions can be taken. Keap us updated. For some reason I have a strong fealing this one is telling the truth.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: ViciouslyMe on May 02, 2011, 09:30:29 am
Everything that Ravin said. And yeah, agree with the feeling too.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: heckco on May 02, 2011, 09:53:30 am
I wouldnt try to id what ever causing the problem but i would look towards the child. Maybe your child could speak with the dead or some how be a gateway to the other side.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: AWBrielle on May 02, 2011, 12:24:33 pm
If I may give my opinion - what I have read in your OP is a little alarming, SKGS. I would definitely have her sleep in your bedroom, but given your draining of energy (which, if I read correctly, occurred somewhere else?), it may be wise to be ready to stay with another parent or friend until the house is cleansed. I don't mean to say that you ought to do it right away, but be ready to.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: SKGS on May 03, 2011, 02:38:41 am
Here is an update and more info.
Ah... where to start...
On my daughters background. Ever since she was little she was telling me that she would see shadows (at that time I had no knowledge about shadows and like most I didn't think it was real) in her room. Up to this time she has to have nightlights on at night and I mean a lot of them.

About "it" - "it" comes mainly when she does not have a necklace on that her boyfriend gave to her for x-mas, which his mother gave to him to give to her. Also "it" apperently follows her when she leaves the house. "it" also calls her name in school and other places. This happens almost daily.

Info..... her boyfriend had encounters with the "supernatural", like flying items in his room, when he was younger. His family, mother - grandparents are/were familiar with "magic". His mother was a wiccan for a while. What kind or if currently practiced couldn't find out yet, but I will.

I already have a dr. appt. scheduled for her to rule out anything physical.

After we do sage etc. I will have her take the necklace of for a night and see what will happen.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Anaya on May 03, 2011, 05:57:51 am
Ask the Mother if she said anything like a blessing on the necklace.

One of my close friend's little sister was waking up crying every few minutes about hearing things and such and because creating charms is somewhat of a specialty for me, I was requested to start a charm that held all of our energy in it to give it some extra... oomph. The charm not only silenced everything speaking to her but also blocked visions and keeps her safe.

It is possible the mother of the boyfriend wanted to make sure she was safe such as a... god this is a horrible analogy but I'm having issues of my own as I'm dealing with so FORGIVE MY TIRED BRAIN--like an over zealous father gives his son a condom before prom just encase it is needed.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: SKGS on May 03, 2011, 06:21:39 am
@Anaya
Just read your post. Thanks you made me laugh, liked your analogy :laugh:
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Countess on May 03, 2011, 04:29:30 pm
How old is your daughter? Definately ask the mother about the necklace. Do things ever happen, name calling etc, when she is wearing the necklace? If nothing ever happens when she is wearing it then she may simply need to always wear it. But having more info about it is always a good idea.  The voice that calls her name, what does it sound like or does it change?
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Solice on May 04, 2011, 06:42:12 am
You should protect your child but it may just be trying to get to you. be cautious in your precedings
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: AWBrielle on May 04, 2011, 09:35:04 am
^ I feel like that's a repetitive "piggy-back" of other posts.... :P just sayin'.  :roll:
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Muerte on May 06, 2011, 02:21:15 pm
^ I feel like that's a repetitive "piggy-back" of other posts.... :P just sayin'.  :roll:

  I agree.


 SKGS.  One wonders if there are others in your area who prescribes to the not so normal practices that society so vehemently shuns.  One also wonders if you have in the past or present had contact with such individuals.  One further wonders if said individuals may have less than cordial feelings towards you.

  One has experienced where a practiced individual will project their ID for the purpose of infiltration, and contact with children is a much easier way of gaining access to place than that of an adult.  (Children are more open to suggestions in other words.)  As it has already been stated there are other explanations than Demons and may I add there are different forms of "PSy Vampires" than what most people envision.  Practitioners of old were often easily able to manipulate energies for their own purposes.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: oldbill4823 on May 07, 2011, 01:47:51 am
What do you think id ing this  entity will give you? I think id ing is a dead end road. It gives a sense of faux security in the face of the unknown. Mental ideas concepts and notions never face the unknown. They literally belong to a different sphere of activity. You dont take these with you when you are in the midst of an encounter. They are only ever of any use afterwards trying to establish wth happened and propping up our beseiged thought systems and id.

So what exactly is the problem here? We all have encounters with the known all the time. We just filter most of it out. Most of what we call problems are usually just issues of emotional disturbance or mental confusion for things we do not understand. These are issues that are fixed on this side. Dont confuse where the problem is.
I would guess that your daughter has been upset by these experiences. Maybe she has fear worry concern.... whatever. If so they are issues for this side to be organised and balanced on this side. It is this side of her that is reporting the problems yes?

Whatever happens to her as she encounters the unknown is a separate issue. It is a completely separate sphere of existence. I know you have had your own interactions with the unknown over the last few years and have subsequently been re-arranging your understandings as a result of these. Where you have arrived at the moment with your understandings i dont know but your daughter now will have to start doing something similar. She will now have to come to terms with directly encountering the unknown. Where she goes with it will determine her spiritual unfoldment. It is her life path.  If she is mature enough i suggest a very frank family conversation about your own experiences. Thats a conversation on the same scale as sex education. Its a real birds and bees moment. Your job is ensure you you create a healthy balanced human being capable of handling such a powerful new aspect to her life.

For me the issue here is how to pass on to the next generation an understanding that we are much more than is commonly believed without damaging their id. Without passing on stupid associations or distorting their fragile psychic architecture with ridiculous cultural models and naive myths toted as reality. Child abuse is real and ignorance is no real defence. You are now presented with a very real opportunity to create a well balanced daughter for the next generations. The fact our parents never taught us properly  about these things is a shame.

For your own peace of mind and understanding please consider the following;
You state in the OP 'It comes out from under her bed and sits on her so she can't move '. This reads as sleep paralysis.
It is a stage people go through when parts of their dormant energy structure become active. Just like yours did some while back. Another part of her is becoming active and alive thats all. Just like sexual awakening it needs to be dealt with sensitively but firmly. No drama, no panic, no overt worry or theatre. Certainly no crap about demons devils, vamps, evil or exorcism.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: ravinclaw on May 07, 2011, 11:33:55 pm
So.... Demons, exorcism, and pchy vamps are crap? How did we come to this conclusion? Through personal experiance? It would be terrably arrogant for one to assume he has experianced everything......wouldnt it?
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: oldbill4823 on May 08, 2011, 02:47:34 am
RC if you had understood my post you would understand that i have not said that those phenomena do do not exist. I do say using those words as explanations is crap.
The language we use to talk about experiences of the unknown are important.
If i give you the following lists of words you tell me the association that spring to mind.
Demon exorcism vampire. Now start feeding these associated states to vulnerable yougsters in their formative years and telling them that they may need to be exorcised.

Yes i truly believe that these descriptions are ignorant models from our predecessors. What wisdom there is within those models has since been lost by the associated mass of speculative sensational bulls**t surrounding the concepts.  At some point you have to start discerning between allegory metaphor and perceptual fact.
What does wicked mean? If i tell an impressionable child they are wicked what is the result? So what if i start telling someone they have a demon inside them?

Just consider that knowledge about sex can be phrased through language to permenantly scar a persons relationship with all things sexual unless we are careful. Same with the unknown. Go about it the wrong way and you cause damage and unforseen side effects.

I havnt experienced everything nor dor i claim to but if anyone here starts telling their children they are psychic vampires then those people really do deserve to be investigated by social services of their country. Such descriptions and models are tantamount to psychological abuse. There are better ways of explaining things, understand?

Lastly can anyone anyone give me a real personal example of identifying a demon leading to a peaceful balanced result. Anyone???
I really would love to examine such an account logically in microscopic detail. Please post one so i can pore over it and ask questions.
I ask because i see this idea of identifying demons again and again on this forum. I have yet to read of a single actual experience where it worked. This suggests to me people are repeating inherited beliefs and recieved information as absolute truth without really knowing for themselves that it is a credible endeavour. My ideas are not fixed though. My ideas are based on observed generalisations and experience. It might only take one experience to change my opinion on this.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: oldbill4823 on May 08, 2011, 04:41:39 am
Need to ID this "entity" if possible and I don't know where to start.

This is where i got the idea from. It is the opening line of the first post.
Note she does not ask to id the phenomena as you state, she asks to id the entity.



'Psy vamp' is not a description of phenomena. It is an explanation of something.
There is a huge difference between objective description and an explanation.

For example 'you have sinned against God' is an explanation',
a description is that 'you broke you leg in a skiing accident after passing irreligous comments all morning'.

Psy vamp is an explanation of an experience which require that you automatically 'buy into' a very specialised set of beliefs. That is a strong imposition of beliefs.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Nina on May 08, 2011, 10:55:52 am
But maybe, just maybe, the daughter hasnt been honest, and theres more to the story than that what SKGS thinks he/she really knows. The girl is obviously a teen, so it might not be ANY entity at all.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: SKGS on May 09, 2011, 05:53:18 am
I have talked to her about my experiences and also that there is more then meets the eye between heaven and earth.
Maybe I should have worded my concers or where to start/do/inquire about what is going on in a different way. My goal was/is to identify cause and deal with it what ever it is.
By the way..... my daughter is 16. In our conversations I made sure that she understands fully that there is absulotely no place for "mis information" or even to make it colorful.

On a separate note. Sorry to cause such a whirl wind in the way I worded my post. Will do better/clearer in the future.
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: ravinclaw on May 09, 2011, 05:58:52 am
You are probably correct Nina. Even kids who have a realy strong relationship with their parents tend to leave things out. I guess I missunderstood part of your post Oldbill. There are dozens of possibilities for the problems this young lady is facing, I think its a bit to early to rule anything out. I was under the impression you were saying that her own pchycic abilities had sort of opened up leaving her more prone to experiancing this sort of thing than average, and it very well could be. But at this point I think anything is possible. Ps, wasnt trying to be an ass with my last post.... I just AM an ass and it comes out sometimes lol. 
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Anaya on May 09, 2011, 06:10:21 am
I can give you an example!~ Entity was bothering a household of a friend of mine and when we found out it was a demon and got an actual name, we bound it to an herb-filled doll and wrapped it with string for a binding ritual and still have it trapped to this day, slowly destroying the energy within with the herb combination we did! :D TADA!
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: onepiece on May 09, 2011, 08:03:04 am
I can give you an example!~ Entity was bothering a household of a friend of mine and when we found out it was a demon and got an actual name, we bound it to an herb-filled doll and wrapped it with string for a binding ritual and still have it trapped to this day, slowly destroying the energy within with the herb combination we did! :D TADA!

i feel sorry for it :|...........what was its name??
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: Anaya on May 09, 2011, 08:21:01 am
Not sure how to spell it but it was something like Izaia
Title: Re: ID ?????
Post by: SKGS on May 11, 2011, 09:41:24 am
Thanks for all of your input  :-)
The matter has been taken care of by Moloch and is resolved.