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Title: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AlexeWinchester on November 07, 2011, 02:53:30 pm
Greetings,


The case is a bit complicated. I have one of my close friends who is stuck with a demon living inside of him. The demon itself has a name, a past, and more importantly a totally different personnality. I know it's not my friend, since I talked to it while it was in control. My friend is really calm, happy go lucky kind of person, he would help anyone in need and would never want to hurt anything. He would apologize to the table if he bumped into one. However, when he is "controled" let's say, he turns into an overly violent person, he would kill for no reason if he could, humans or other demons (it already killed thousands of them, making him awfully strong), he claims he wants to (I don't want to enter in the details) really, really, really badly hurt others. And he would do it. Right now the host is having problems holding him back, it is taking more and more power and is nearly crushing him. It takes control way more often then it used to, before it was mainly at night, now it can be anytime during the day and night. Last time I talked to him was yesterday night. He openly challenged me to defeat it, since it is feeling sad its host is too weak to offer a real fight, and that I am myself a host (the demons I live with aren't dangerous to anyone).

The real problem is that if that demon manage to take fully control of its host, I know for a fact that it will go on a killing streak. And that I am already its first designed target for opposing it. Some people say it's caused by his quite moved childhood or a multiple personnality disorder. I can certify it is not, I had him checked and there's nothing of the kind. Since he was a child he could see monsters, demons (possibly from the Nightmares family), and he often had huge memory gaps, being in his bed a second and in the bathroom in the next, switching the lights on and off. He also told me about a huge, awfully warm hand pressed on his chest when he was younger, "pushing to grab my soul" as he said. That demon has always been with him since his birth, and I started seeing it often (more then once a week is considered often in this case) about a month and a half ago. I just miscalculated how long he could hold it back. He won't last long now, maybe a week, two if I'm overly optimist. Past that point, I will have to openly fight it since I'm the only one who could hold its own against it. Barely.

I have to tell where it occured. Well, anywhere actually. If my friend shows any kind of weakness it's going to take advantage of it and take over. Also, I counted 3 apparition in the last 2 days. I'm not the only one concerned, others have seen him switch to it but always thought it was just him being overly angry for no reason. I can see it's a demon though, I know him too well to mix the two. And not to mention, its only presence is a huge threat to everyone around him.

I mostly need to know if it would be possible to force it to leave the host. My first reflex was to kill it but by experience I know it's impossible. Exorcisms aren't an option either, we tried and nothing was effective, it just barely hurt it. Right now my only option is to force seal it into me and keep it there in order to win some more time. However, in the long run it would rip me apart. I need to know if there's any alternatives. Leaving it be isn't one. It would put many people in danger, even more then there is now.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2011, 03:03:51 pm
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Exorcisms aren't an option either, we tried and nothing was effective, it just barely hurt it.

There are only so many TRUE exorcists. Are you one of them? Or did you call a REAL exorcist to do it?
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Bane Bloodfang on November 07, 2011, 03:05:29 pm
I agree with Nina here. Have you sought -professional- help?
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2011, 03:07:30 pm
If what you say is true, I gotta be very harsh on this one, playing Dean and Sam WINCHESTER will get your friend dead in no time ;)
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AlexeWinchester on November 07, 2011, 03:07:56 pm
I had three different Chiristian priests do it, then a Wicca ritual and another exorcist, that time from another religion I can't remember. I didn't do them myself. I'm far from being competent enough or stupid enough to try that myself.

As for the name, sorry for having the same as Sam and Dean. Blame my lineage.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2011, 03:09:35 pm
With that being said, I really doubt that Monstrous community can help you or your friend. Maybe those priests weren't actually exorcists?

ps: do you really expect us to believe that you actually wrote your true surname just for the sake of it?
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AlexeWinchester on November 07, 2011, 03:14:52 pm
I don't really know, one of them was but his exocist was proven ineffective. It's more that right now, no matter what I do, someone is going to end up dead, which is far from being what I want. I tried to tell the police or people with the same authority but they can't do anything as long as he doesn't make a move.

So yeah, all to say, I'm in a pinch right now.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Bane Bloodfang on November 07, 2011, 03:15:16 pm
Hmm maybe your friend isn't possessed but instead has a split personality? Schitzophrenia? I'm not brushing off the possibility of demonic possession I just want to make sure you've really ruled out every possibility before blaming the supernatural. At the end of the day your friend clearly needs help and I hope you can help him through this- whatever it is.

Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AWBrielle on November 07, 2011, 03:16:17 pm
Sorry, AlexeWinchester, you're gonna have to give us a little proof - mainly because a lot of what you said makes it appear that either you have all the resources you need or that this is some kind of Supernatural fan posting. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, if you can provide for us something to go off of. Thanks.

- A
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2011, 03:16:31 pm
I agree with Bane on this one. Maybe try medical help ;)
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Bane Bloodfang on November 07, 2011, 03:17:51 pm
Plus if it is a mental health issue it'll be a LOT easier to deal with than a demon
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AlexeWinchester on November 07, 2011, 03:19:48 pm
Well just tell me what you need, I'll tell you.

As for medical help, I have the diagnosis (not sure if it's written that way) for him, there's nothing wrong. Psychiatrist, psychologist, general medecins. They found nothing.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2011, 03:22:28 pm
Well, frankly, I REALLY doubt that. Every possessed person shows signs of mental issues. EVERY! Its just after the doctors cannot find the medical explanation for the problems, that they consider calling priests. So, cause of this, I really doubt every word you shared here.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AWBrielle on November 07, 2011, 03:24:06 pm
It goes above and beyond that; sometimes (at least, from my understanding), there are people who don't happen to have had previous mental illnesses prior to their possession. During, yes, ALWAYS, but not necessarily before.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2011, 03:25:59 pm
Exactly my point, if he was really possessed, he would show signs of mental issues, and thus, he would be diagnosed with SOMETHING at least.  If you get my point ;)
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AlexeWinchester on November 07, 2011, 03:29:00 pm
Where I live doctors and priests are completely seperated and nearly never talk to each other. And being makor, he can tell the docs to not tell me the whole truth. Moreover, I fully understand your point, but if you would allow me I would want to add something. I know that demon. Faking sanity is way too easy in these times. And he is a manipulator more then anything else.


Alright, I don't mind if you or anyone else don't want to believe me, I never asked you to. However, you can keep check of the news, you'll probably see numerous unexplained murders in my area.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2011, 03:30:50 pm
Could you provide more info? Give us some articles? Pictures? Anything? Why would that demon wake up now?Also, in such case of a possession, every priest would call a doc to be there during the exorcism. So, this all sounds very blurry.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: TeteoInan on November 07, 2011, 03:37:00 pm
Alright, I'm going to approach this the best way I can.
I've read what you had to say, and read what others have said.
I'll keep my opinions quiet for the moment... because depending on the answers you give me, said opinions may change.
As with everyone, I am willing to give them a chance.
But don't mistake me on this... I will call Bulls**t.




"As for medical help, I have the diagnosis (not sure if it's written that way) for him, there's nothing wrong. Psychiatrist, psychologist, general medecins. They found nothing."

How old is he?
Which did he ( your friend ) go to first, Psychologist, or Psychiatrist?
Who took him / sent him there?
What was the diagnosis, verbatim or as close as you can make it?


"The demon itself has a name, a past, and more importantly a totally different personnality."

Elaborate, please.


"Also, I counted 3 apparition in the last 2 days."

What does this have to do with your friend, supposedly being Possessed by a Demon?

Final question...
What makes you believe, this is a Demon?
Why Demon, rather? Why not... Since we're diving into some heavy s**t here, why not an Alien, or a Doppleganger...
How about on the more normal side of things, a Parasite?
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Bane Bloodfang on November 07, 2011, 03:39:39 pm
T, you're awesome <3

Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AlexeWinchester on November 07, 2011, 04:00:08 pm
If I recall correctly he was sent to a psychologist first, who sent it to a psychiatric, then to a general med. The psychologist only found a faint personnality disorder, which quickly disappeared after a couple of sessions, which he associated with a stronger personnality "absorbing the other ones". He called the case closed until he beated up one of his classmates. Psychiatric took over, could only bring up hypothesises and asked a general doctor to check him up. Pretty much the same again. This all happened when he was between 12 and 16. He is now 18 (at 16 you are allowed to choose if you want to be treated or not) but has periods where he absolutely wants to get treated, when others he strongly dissaproves it.

Ok. For the name, the demon calls itself Vexx. It's under that name I know it and so does the host. From what I know about it, it is overly violent, hates or simply doesnt care about anything, it hates humans in general and find them awfully boring, and the only thing it doesn't find boring is killing. As for its past, my friend knows more about it then me, but this is what i managed to get. (Most of you will say it's cheesy, I don't care, I can copy paste the conversation I had with him if you need to see I didn't invent this) The furthest memory is from an old battlefield, he said he could see it killing a woman with bare hands, probably as far as we started fighting with swords. After he said it was all killing.

My guess is that it was awake from the very beginning. Probably just waiting for it's host to grow a little so if it takes over, it can actually do something. It claimed it was attached to his family's blood, passed down since I don't know when. I can't confirm if that's true since I don't know his family and can't ask former hosts.

As for why, I can't see any other explaination to what's happening. I rely on demons already, I know the feeling of one, and in my opinion based on what I know and what i saw, it's one.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AlexeWinchester on November 07, 2011, 04:03:29 pm
I forgot about the last question. I probably didn't say it correctly. I meant Vexx took over and completely controlled its host 3 times in 2 days.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2011, 04:04:45 pm
To me it sounds more like a multiple personality disorder than a demon. But that's just my opinion. Too many kids today fancy the idea of demons. They play with s**t whatnot, then see demons everywhere. Also, thanks to Teo for pointing this one out, but congrats to your friend for being possessed by a video game!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexx)
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AlexeWinchester on November 07, 2011, 04:11:59 pm
This will sound harsh but I prone honesty more then anything else.

Sure, I won't force you to believe me. It would be a waste of time. Call it a multiple personnality disorder if you want. You can say I'm just crazy and overdoing things. Meh. It's your opinion. But from what I've seen on this forum, I would've needed to come up with a story about pots moving or doors opening and closing by themselves to be taken seriously. I wanted opinions and advices. I got them. And lost two hours of research I could've done to find another way then what I have in mind.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2011, 04:14:31 pm
This will sound harsh but I prone honesty more then anything else.

Oh, trust me, so do we, Mr. "Winchester lineage" ;)
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: TeteoInan on November 07, 2011, 04:14:39 pm
I'm going to be as nice about this as I possibly can be.
And please be aware, I did give you fair warning, that I will call bulls**t.

Vexx... is a Videogame character.
I know this, because I own said Videogame...
My oldest plays this frequently.
On our XBox.


Aside from this...

Philosophical Anthropology, for Parapsychology.
Cultural Anthropology, for Region Mythology.

and last, but certainly NOT least... and the most applicable one here:
Behavioral Sciences - Adolescent Sociology, Criminal Psychology


Now, I will offer you ( as I have so many others, recently... ) a way out of this.
A sort of... chance to possibly still have some Credibility and Dignity...

Are you possibly mistaken, in some of the details?
Perhaps, as I have said before, this is something Other than a Demon?

You can feel free to PM me in this, but I believe this Topic should be Locked, but perhaps left here as an Example.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Bane Bloodfang on November 07, 2011, 04:20:23 pm
This will sound harsh but I prone honesty more then anything else.

Sure, I won't force you to believe me. It would be a waste of time. Call it a multiple personnality disorder if you want. You can say I'm just crazy and overdoing things. Meh. It's your opinion. But from what I've seen on this forum, I would've needed to come up with a story about pots moving or doors opening and closing by themselves to be taken seriously. I wanted opinions and advices. I got them. And lost two hours of research I could've done to find another way then what I have in mind.

What did you honestly expect from us? We're the internet we can't jump over there and fix it we can only observe what you tell us and come up with logical explanations and offer advice, you've done everything we would of suggested anyway. You're taking offence to the most logical and reasonable explanations and frankly Vexx is a videogame and not a demon. I can't find any proof that Vexx is a demon ever mentioned in any religions. I'm sorry but this sounds more like a mental health issue than a demonic one. If you truelly fear for your safety, his safety or the safety of those around you contact the doctors who dealt with him before and tell them. They'll offer you some more advice.

Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: AlexeWinchester on November 07, 2011, 04:24:51 pm
I'll PM about that.

And I would REALLY appreciate if you could stop making fun of my name. I can't change it for you and I won't.
Title: Re: Need urgent help about a demon
Post by: Nina on November 07, 2011, 04:31:00 pm
And I would REALLY appreciate people to stop trollin too ;) Im not making fun of it, just calling it fake *grins* Your name is not even remotely close to it, and your email shows really shady intentions. Until Im proved wrong...

Same as this entire topic. But thats just me (or is it? hah)

Also, for not showing respect, Im locking this one.