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question about a Demon
« on: January 28, 2010, 02:10:04 AM »
Dose anyone know the name of a Demon that appears as a blue man with no hair and covered in writing that appears to be Babylonian.
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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 02:06:58 AM »
This Demon is active and hunting magicians that studie the Golden Dawn its where abouts at this time is unknown.

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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 11:14:09 AM »
I think like LadyGriffin said, this doesn't belong here, but I'm curious...

Zsniel, if you don't know its identity, how do you know it's a demon? It could be some form of construct, since it's so dedicated to its task. (I found no info on a blue demon with writings of Babylonian origin on it...)
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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 08:55:24 PM »
 8-) Maybe some nice admin could move this topic to where it belongs.
I don't know of any constructs that are capable of possesion. But like you I haven't found anything that fits the description give to me by the psychic.

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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 11:47:34 PM »
Wait... it was a psychic? Another reason to think it may be a construct then. Psychics develop a feel for psi (the metaphysical energy they use) and constructs are made of "programmed"psi. Theoretically, a construct can do anything the psychic can, so if the psychic is good at, let's say, telepathic suggestion in this case, the construct would be able to do it also. That's pretty close to possession, although the construct isn't bound in any way to the target.

The thing is a construct eventually dies, unless it's programmed to always gather psi to sustain itself. If it's been programmed to get the psi from another source than the psychic who made it, its existence should be independent from it and I'd expect someone skilled in such complex constructs to at least know how to gather psi from another source... Most people learn to do that when they begin training in psi manipulation...

Just a little background on the thing if it is, in fact, a construct.
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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2010, 02:50:05 AM »
I don't really want to go into detail on a public forum but the individual in question was engaged in a magickal war with a nother magician but I would like to think it would have taken more than telepathic suggestion to change the personality of someone that has practiced for over 30 years and almost destroy an entire order. the psychic is a member of the order that detected its presence not the creator.

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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2010, 09:31:51 AM »
Now it sounds like harry potter. I have went through books and web pages and cant find an I.D. on your blue man, it may have different forms. Might be able to get an I.D. with an M.O. Did it say anything or do anything? More info please.
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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2010, 03:19:29 PM »
I don't really want to go into detail on a public forum but the individual in question was engaged in a magickal war with a nother magician but I would like to think it would have taken more than telepathic suggestion to change the personality of someone that has practiced for over 30 years and almost destroy an entire order. the psychic is a member of the order that detected its presence not the creator.

Sounds like the alleged magical fight between Aleister Crowley and MacGregor Mathers. When they - according to Crowley at least - where battling it out over the leadership of the Order of the Golden Dawn. This battle was about a century ago.
This Demon is active and hunting magicians that studie the Golden Dawn its where abouts at this time is unknown.

Me thinks we've got ourselves a lead. :spy:
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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 04:45:32 PM »
It hasn't been quite a century but both are long dead & it does sound suspisciously like the Crowley battle. This makes me think it is most like a construct as opposed to a demon since both those magicians were accomplished in psi battle especially over distance.

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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2010, 06:30:24 PM »
I don't really want to go into detail on a public forum but the individual in question was engaged in a magickal war with a nother magician but I would like to think it would have taken more than telepathic suggestion to change the personality of someone that has practiced for over 30 years and almost destroy an entire order. the psychic is a member of the order that detected its presence not the creator.

Change the personality, huh? I read once about telepathic hacking... Kind of a more offensive way to go about it; you basically alter or destroy "mental files" like the person called them. Those metal files being memories, etc. That could change someone's personality and have a long term effect that suggestion lacks. Although it takes more influence on the target's mind, after the changes are done, they're most likely permanent, whereas suggestion has to constantly have the target's mind under its influence. The more strong minded the target is, the harder it'll be to do any of those, but on the long term, hacking would take less efforts. All that's assuming the person was right when they spoke of mental hacking.

Also, a construct that possesses various people with suggestion at a time wouldn't be very effective, since it would have to keep all those people under its influence at the same time. And the way you described it, it doesn't seem like there are more than one of those blue things...
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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 05:19:04 PM »
Crowley was indeed a megalomaniac as were many of his contemporaries so it is entirely possible that the "battle" was simply a story each could use to their own advantage. Crowley had a habit of "harvesting" imagery, ritual, etc from ancient religions so he may have used "harlot of babylon" I will have to look into it. One intresting comparison I find is the similarities in the rise of Crowley & Hitler through their prospective organizations. At first blush neither had the makings or appearance of leaders but both managed to lead, reform, & build their organization.

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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 09:07:33 PM »
Thankyou all for your help you have brought new perspective to the subject. And I wish I could go into more detail. But I can't on a public forum.

I have read about the combat between Crowley and Mathers but I don't think it actually happened.

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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2010, 12:19:40 PM »
what i've learned is that not all demons have names because not all demons are fallen angels.
people can create sentient beings with enough focus, meditation, and psychic energy.
why not demons as well? this is how they build their army.

my first encounter was with a blue demon that matches the description you gave. these ones have no name because their creators haven't given them one so no one can use it to control them.
these kind will put on quite the show of aggression and strength, but they are really not as powerful as they seem. their biggest strength is deception. holy water works on them pretty well. try focusing destructive energies and blasting that. you're not gonna get hollywood special effects, but if you can muster enough energy, it'll work.

just remember that if they laugh, it hurts and if they express pain, it REALLY hurts. it will become the worst right before it's over. and when you think it's over, don't assume it is. keep up the attack until you feel nothing left.

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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2010, 12:31:59 PM »
Carden has a point. I wouldn't go as far as saying humans create demons but we do tend to control specific emotions that develop into a certain energy form or I like to call an energy imprint. Basically if a strong enough emotion is transmitted it can stick to certain people, places, objects etc... I also believe that if someone (or a group of people) were strong enough they could potentially 'charge' the energies in a specific manner. Therefore the energy takes a form and basically 'haunts' or 'sticks' to something. Some people think it may even go as far as people can manipulate it. I highly doubt people are that far in enlightening control to be able to do so because they would have realized they created it in the first place.

But anywho, this thing might just been that and would explain why it was hurting these particular people. The only way to get rid of it would to create I guess anti-thought of it? But that is just too far into the metaphysical realm. Also it would have to be 'thought-out of existence' by those who created it. Otherwise it would have to run its corse until it basically 'ran out of energy' because it is feeding off of transmitted energy from whoever created it.

But that is just a theory....
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Re: question about a Demon
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2010, 12:43:24 PM »
i was referring to Tulpas.
they are beings of energy that have obtained sentience and are human made.
upon learning about that, my logic said. if humans can do it, why not angels and demons?