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Title: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: rave phillaphia on September 15, 2007, 02:18:31 PM
Just curious due to many movies and stories I have reviewed they useally tell me that werewolves are evil creatures. Now I don't want to believe that they give their soul to the devil. So I think everyone should comment back on this cause I would really like to know the truth. Is one to believe everything we read or watch because I am not so sure any more.  :?
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Moloch on September 15, 2007, 05:11:38 PM
Ever heard the axiom: "Don't believe everything you see, read, or hear."?
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: rave phillaphia on September 15, 2007, 05:20:57 PM
yes i have. just like the myth of the holocaust it is an interesting topic. the history vs. what the west believe and don't attempt to help. i mean all the genocides and we don't know about it (don't want to know about it). We say not to repeat itself but it is all the time and we don't do anything about it. its sad.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: SherlawkDragon on September 16, 2007, 09:40:27 AM
Humans are evil.  Any werewolf who is "Evil", is so because of the human part in them, and the wolf part doesn't know how to cope like a human does.  That is our explanation of why a fictional werewolf would be evil (from over at a private group I am in.)
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Vince_03 on September 20, 2007, 05:07:46 AM
were's aren't evil. there one of the most misunderstood creatures in the world
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Thundergod on September 22, 2007, 07:02:42 AM
i think sherlock is right, werewolfs are still kinda human arnt they, so whoever their human side is would probably dictate if they are good or bad.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Omnipotent on September 24, 2007, 08:48:32 AM
I wouldn't use the word evil nor good. Just like everyone has their own way of showing their emotions.
Or that maybe you don't have emotions... doubt that no intellectual being has no emotions.

Now back to the topic. I've experienced werewolves not to be evil in exact terms, more to be like a dog...
Poke him once, you get the growl, poke him twice and you get bitten.

I often look at werewolves as your fluffy best friend. Just make sure it stays that way.

Thats all i got to say on this subject.

P.S. Those movies from Hollywood etc.... Fun to watch, sure. Who doesn't enjoy a movie, but when it comes to the facts of reality... It doesn't add up.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: SherlawkDragon on September 24, 2007, 03:10:01 PM
I'd probably agree with half of that.  I'm not "evil", I'm lovable and fluffy! ^..^
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Omnipotent on September 25, 2007, 09:09:30 PM
I'd probably agree with half of that.  I'm not "evil", I'm lovable and fluffy! ^..^

Haha, no doubt that you are.

Yeah, thats a good example of a ... uhm, friendly werewolf.
Just keep it easy now.  :focus:
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Loup Garou on September 29, 2007, 08:51:26 PM
Humans are evil.  Any werewolf who is "Evil", is so because of the human part in them, and the wolf part doesn't know how to cope like a human does.

I disagree on purely philosophical grounds, though the misanthropist in me is certainly cheering you on.  However, it should be said that humans are neither innately good nor evil - they just are.  It's culture that makes a human evil, and also the point of view of the culture viewing that person.  One need only look at the history of modern Western Civilization to see multiple examples of culture-clash and accusations and assertions of what is "evil".  Take anarchy, for instance.

As for werewolf nature, I can only attest to my own experience.  I hardly consider myself a "hippie", though I'm often confused as one.  I do lack that avoidance of violence as mentioned in another topic.  I'm perfectly at ease with the subject generally speaking, and consider it a force of nature.  Nature herself is often violent at times, but can also be very peaceful, and downright gentle.  That being said, violence is a tool, and the end does not necessarily justify the means.  This leads us full-circle to the issue of what constitutes "evil", and I'm sure we could spend hours debating the question -- philosophers have been doing so for millenia.

~ Loup
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Thundergod on September 29, 2007, 10:48:13 PM
i am not sure i think there are some people that are just plain evil no matter what culture you put them in. how about ted bundy, possible debatable in his later years. but when he was on the loose there can be no qestion if he is evil or not.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Moloch on September 30, 2007, 06:38:16 AM
But then you must ask if he actually had a disease, and if so, is having a disease of the mind "evil"?
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Thundergod on September 30, 2007, 09:33:38 AM
no way. he did it because he liked it not because he was crazy. he probably claimed stuff about himself being insane to get out of jail or into a more cushioned one or somthing, just like he would help police profile serial killers and stuff, to make himself look less of a evil person. the guy was a master manipulator, he was actually a very brilliant mind but it was corrupt .

i can find many more examples of evil people, i didnt use Hitler because he was a madman and the things he was doing where set in his self created world where he made the rules, so his evil was cultural.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: barmethius on September 30, 2007, 10:58:30 AM
I have to agree with thundergod about some humans are really evil. and i do believe in what SherlawkDragon said about human side determining if the were is evil.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: SherlawkDragon on October 07, 2007, 10:35:58 AM
Oh, just noticed this...
Humans are evil.  Any werewolf who is "Evil", is so because of the human part in them, and the wolf part doesn't know how to cope like a human does.
I disagree on purely philosophical grounds, though the misanthropist in me is certainly cheering you on.  However, it should be said that humans are neither innately good nor evil - they just are.  It's culture that makes a human evil, and also the point of view of the culture viewing that person.  One need only look at the history of modern Western Civilization to see multiple examples of culture-clash and accusations and assertions of what is "evil".  Take anarchy, for instance.
Well...  Maybe I worded that wrong...  see, humans have a greed within them, they have more ability to understand and do bad things than non-humans.  An eagle does not kill its own kind if it can help it, a wolf does not search for power (yes, sometimes wolves want to be the alpha, but this is because they think they can do better), an ant does not think of it's self when it gives its life for the colony.  Perhaps this does attest to why humans are so much more "advanced" or "dominant" than other species, but the negative is that humans, though I don't think they are inherrently good or evil, have the potential to think of doing evil.  A human knows something is greedy and wrong, but it will do it anyway in a selfish act.  I think it is this part of a were-creature that would make it "evil", the animal is not the evil part, it's the evil within the human that makes it bad.
(now, of course, Dragons and such can be an exception to this, but that's a different story...)
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Loup Garou on October 07, 2007, 11:38:01 AM
Human beings are very capable of doing awful things, but then again, so is an abused dog.  It could be argued that the abused dog only did any horrible thing because it was abused by humans, and I agree with this sentiment also, but I'd like to make sure the pendulum swings all the way back, also.  Humans do bad things because other humans taught them to, just like other humans taught that dog to attack children and otherwise act outside of its nature.  Evil, to me at least, is very much like a disease - it is spread, and it is contageous, and some people can be born with it because of the "sins of the father" so-to-speak.  I also think that "evil", like a disease, is curable - that Ted Bundy, should someone have found him before his disease had progressed to such an advanced stage, could have been cured.  I don't imagine it to be an easy process by any stretch of the imagination - curing any disease takes an awful lot of time and energy.

All this begs the question: "Where did this disease come from?"  It's an excellent question, and one that has plagued philosophers and religious leaders for centuries.  I'm also pretty sure you either won't like, or won't believe the answer I have to give, which makes me hesitant to even dive into it.  In fact, as I type this, I think it might not be a bad idea to hear your own answers to this question before I begin, so I can sum up my thoughts and try to say what I have to say as succinctly as possible.

Since this is quickly getting off the topic of "Are werewolves evil", I propose that we move the discussion to a different post.  That post can be found here (http://www.monstrous.com/forum/index.php/topic,5279.0.html)

~ Loup
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Dark angel on November 14, 2007, 07:01:01 AM
i think that there just like people there are the good one and then there the evil ones it just depends who u cross paths with
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Raziel on November 14, 2007, 07:12:42 AM
So monsieur Nior angelus,

are you of the opinion that man is inherenly good 0:) or evil :evil:? or perhaps that one can corrupt him/herself beyond any hope of redemption? %&$
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: werewolf aiden on April 17, 2008, 09:38:20 AM
they are miths but im good beleve it or not!!!! <^>
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Vince_03 on April 18, 2008, 10:19:25 AM
well most werewolf facts are myths anway
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: scaryfrightened on April 24, 2008, 06:44:47 PM
Wow. They are what they choose to be just as everyone else. There are humans that are evil and humans that are good. There are weres that are evil and weres that are good.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Omnipotent on April 24, 2008, 08:19:50 PM
Wow. They are what they choose to be just as everyone else. There are humans that are evil and humans that are good. There are weres that are evil and weres that are good.

Can't get any more clear then that hehe. :)
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Tybalt on May 14, 2008, 04:44:15 AM
Trust a were to go by instinct though.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Fenirus on May 30, 2008, 09:41:26 AM
beign a werewolf can be bad and good depending on the path you take
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: werewolf aiden on November 04, 2008, 09:02:15 AM
were evil some good im good &evil  :-D :-D :-D :-D <^> <^> <^> <^>
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Regina Terra on November 04, 2008, 11:42:29 AM
Quote
Humans are evil.  Any werewolf who is "Evil", is so because of the human part in them, and the wolf part doesn't know how to cope like a human does.  That is our explanation of why a fictional werewolf would be evil (from over at a private group I am in.)
Yep, it's the human side that generally messes things up. You don't see a wolf going by with the canine equivalent of a drive by shooting. :-D

On a serious note, what about all the stories & legends of  perfectly good human becoming a werewolf, then performing atrocious acts? I think hat is simply a case of a human mind refusing to cope with the wolf mind/spirit. So they both battle for dominance, neither one gaining any ground. & then the wolf spirit just explodes outward when it is finally released in any form.

So, being a were isn't evil in & of itself, it's the choices.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Rocket on November 09, 2008, 01:29:10 PM
In my opinion, Werewolves can be either good or bad, it's there choice
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Lilith92 on December 10, 2008, 06:50:45 AM
i guess there can be some good and some evil
weres that use the full moons to ravege and kill for pleasure could be considered evil
but this dosent mean we shouldnt feed
we all need to feed
the weres that use this oppertunity for feeding purposes could be consitered good
i think that if you use your powers for evil, you are evil
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Rocket on December 10, 2008, 02:21:55 PM
I second that speach!!, bravo lilith92.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Beast_King on December 12, 2008, 05:08:28 PM
let's have a look on human  :evil:

human have to side - the evil part and the good part
just like we have male and female gene in our body
even the goodess Mother Terasse proberly wich somebody
dead even there not murded any1

now let's look on werewolf aka wolf aka human

wolf are living by there instinct surch as kill animals
and eat the meat
for a wolf we are just the next meat  <^>

we also know there have been war since human kind
whas born on earth either for food or land or territory

therefor you can't exacly say werewolf a evil couse human
are even more evil then wolf are and face it as fare we know
werewolf is a kind of mix between human and wolf  <^> <^>

PS. sry for my english spell but is not my main languis
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Dr.JM on June 16, 2009, 03:17:47 PM
I thing it's a matter of one's thought and opinion what count's good or evil.

JM...
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Raziel on June 18, 2009, 06:52:00 PM
First we have to question. are humans inherently good or inherently ebil?   The wolfen part isn't evil. at all..... unless they are separate sentient consciousness  in which case they can be classified differently from normal people..
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: WOLFSONG on June 19, 2009, 07:47:18 AM
We're not any more evil than any other creature.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Raziel on June 19, 2009, 08:14:46 AM
.............. We are talking about the same human race that decided racisim/nuclear bombs/excess was a good thing right?


Or are you trying to say that that stuff is part of our"natures" too?
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Anchitiquia on March 31, 2010, 10:46:00 PM
I know its been awhile since anyone posted here.  :-)  Oh well.

It is interesting to me this is even being debated.

Humans are omnivores. Werewolves are carnivores.

When i was a werewolf eating anything other than meat gave me stomach pains and gas. Also with the muscle mass of the body i had to support my metabolism was skyrocket. So yes if i had crashed on a deserted island with other humans i would be "evil". Cause my A** would get hungry and i'd eat them BEFORE they would resort to cannibalism.

Does that make me evil? In thier eyes it would. They would be attempting to find a peaceful solution and find something to eat while i'd be licking my chomps saying if we don't catch some fish soon your next.

So its all based on perspective. They have the ability to eat coconuts and herbs etc. In my hunger i would be driven to canibalism at a much faster rate and for the lack of "dignity" would be frowned upon for my disregard of human life.

I guess based off of my horrible example. I'm trying to say it would be easy for a werewolf to disregard "life", portraying us as evil. In all honesty people thats a need. There are many fine examples of humans in the past that didn't "need" to rise to power yet they killed and cared not.

Like what happened in the Ukraine. Lets export all our grain and fund a war while our people starve. That is evil.

Lets take food from people so they die. WHY? To fight a war killing people so they will die. WHY? Cause its not us. We can pull at the strings of all these people watch them die and in the end rule a piece of land or all of it on earth. WHY? You've stumped me cause out of the entire earth someone will rebel.

Werewolves are much much simpler than that. If there isn't enough food we have to survive, kill the competition. We want to make war? Leave and form your own pack or have the dignity to fight with what nature gave you. (man would settle things by strength but makeing guns to hunt, you can just as easily kill another with one. Guns screwed over Busidio which i believe in, makes me abhore this planet.) Far as personal gain goes. Um... you either do it for the pack or you do it for the Alpha, there is no personal gain. If you want personal gain you get all the responsibility and choices of being Alpha, then your more than welcome to Gain whatever you put in the effort for. Its simple

Humans complicate things. Laws complicate things. Morals are nice but they complicate things.

The more complex something is the more "evil" it is in my opinion. "money is the root of all evil" guess what? money is complicated as hell. You can buy ANYTHING with it. How much more complex do you get. A piece of paper that can turn into whatever you dream it to be. POOF. (If you can tell i hate humans :-(, sorry)

I sincerely apologize for this Extremely long rant. It just kinda pushed some of my buttons.

As many has previously said. You are what you do.

Angels have fallen. Demons have been redeemed. Humans go both ways, and so do we.
I know werewolves that kill humans for the simple reason they feel superior. As if it is their god given right being what they are to massivly kill all animals weaker than themselves.

And there are werewolves like myself who think that its just insane to take something like that for granted and you should respect what you've been given and use it to protect others and not slaughter them. *sigh*

Anyway....... *whew* i feel better now.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: KubeSix on April 01, 2010, 12:15:56 AM
I don't believe in such things as good or evil, so I'm not quite sure I should be posting in the thread, but let me just say this:

"Wicked phenomenon, yes? But you know, it's not any more evil than, say, fire. It all depends on your point of view. Try to get a better understanding of things before you make your judgement." - Khan, Metro 2033

Yeah, it's a quote from a book/game, but hey, it fits. Like our friend Khan, here, is saying, to those warmed by the flames, they're good, while to those burned by them, they're evil.

P.S. Quote isn't directed at anyone, it's just the first thing that crossed my mind when I read the topic title.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Lupus on April 01, 2010, 03:55:45 AM
is humanity good or evil? same principle here. You cant class a whole group under good or evil - personalities vary too much. besides , good and evil is just a concept that humans created and entangle themselves in.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Jareiwolf on April 01, 2010, 07:06:26 AM
im not evil, i help anyone i can, my human and wolf side
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Bekah Anne on April 25, 2010, 01:31:24 PM
personally, im not. but i guess it depends on the person, or were. its a highly personal choice, and has nothing to do with all weres together.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: LeXtruX on April 26, 2010, 02:55:59 AM
good and evil are concepts of societies... in reality there is no such thing as good or evil, animals aren't evil, they do what they need to do to survive...
same goes for humans, we call Hitler one of the most evil persons ever to have existed... but what if he had won the war? then he would have been a godlike figure... history is written by the victor, and the victor makes the rules... we think he's evil because we won against his army and our side didn't get along with his ideals...
It was long said to be evil to be gay, but now it's becoming more aknowledged... good and evil are perceptions we humans invented.
So, let's look at the concept of our modern society's interpretation of good and evil...
If someone, wether he be human, were, vamp or smth else... if he goes against that society's law he will be seen as evil (look at Osama Bin Laden, he's the world greatest terrorist, but those that follow him think the same about Bush), where as if that person would help old ladies, or save children or other people, he will be seen as good, a hero...
Being a were doesn't make you evil, it is what you do that defines what you are^^

The stories about werewolves say that they are evil, that they attack humans etc... but those are just horrorstories, whereas (and I hate to make this comparisation) in the movie (and books) of Twilight they aren't shown as all evil (same for vamps) which was the best aspect of the movie, because they show it's their deeds that makes them good or evil, not what they are.

So long story short: were's aren't evil beings, it's the individual that can be good or evil.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: white-she-wolf on May 11, 2010, 05:34:40 AM
I think it's a different opinion between everyone you ask.
Personally, i think that we are not evil. But not all of us are good as well.
Each wolf is an individual. They are all different just like snowflakes. No 2 are the same.
We have mood swings were we may be happy one minute but incredibly mad the next. Its all different.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Redfan45x on June 01, 2010, 10:53:56 AM
Ask yourself these two things.

Is Man good, or evil?

Doesn't "Werewolf" mean "Man Wolf"?

That should give you your answer.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: rave phillaphia on June 02, 2010, 01:28:19 PM
see now someone sees where I was originally going with this. Is man good or evil? A very big philosophical question.

I also was trying to get to the point that people portray werewolves as evil because of two reasons 1. they are not the norm of nature (with humans being at the top, because werewolves are above humans) 2. Humans fear anything they cannot control.

So I guess the real question would be worded: Do werewolves hunt humans because they are part human making it cannabalism? And I mean the traditional shapeshifters, not weres because that is a different situation all together.

By the way, I don't mean to offend any weres on here because I love werewolves with a passion. I was just curious because of mainstream popular culture portray them as evil with good intentions.

Truthfully, for my personal opinion wolves are not evil but humans can be, due to free will. So a werewolf would be able to choose to be good or bad.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: onishadowolf on June 03, 2010, 01:00:52 AM
Yes, free will does seem to give a twist to everything. The hunting...well, who's to say they're not dispatching the wicked ones.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: blueblood on September 15, 2010, 03:10:24 AM
im not evil...  and i cirtinly dint sell my soul to the devil lol    sum ppl are born what they are  :roll:
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 17, 2010, 02:26:39 PM
To answer this question, we first have to decide what is good and what is evil. As there is not a universally accepted view of what these two sides of morality are.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: wereling22 on November 27, 2010, 07:14:50 AM
I believe that werewoves are not evil.
It's natural to survive. Its built in, weres and wolves.
I believe that some werewolves are evil but we can't be all the same!

Is it evil for a werewolf to kill an animal and eat it?  no.
But to kill an animal just for fun and at least not to try and eat it, ( like a cat) is evil (to me).
No dis against cat's but thats what they do!
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: Moloch on November 27, 2010, 07:17:41 AM
Considering that a Were is a man, this invalidates your argument.

A Werewolf on the other hand, now we have a discussion.

Please, for love of all that is unholy people; start getting this right and stop embarrassing us by getting it wrong!
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: wereling22 on November 27, 2010, 08:03:55 AM
Sorry about that.
Just sorted it out, wont make the mistake again. 0:)
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: white fang on June 03, 2012, 02:56:18 PM
i think a were an be good  :-D or evil :evil: ,just based on the human side.
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: jordyn on June 08, 2012, 09:03:52 AM
are animals evil?

Would a werewolf maintain his human intelligence as a wolf and would he be a righteous person in control of his humanity?

good and evil comes down to the reasons for the action, killing because you can would make them evil, killing to survive...comes down to a person's personal values.

are soldiers evil for doing their job?

to get a clear cut answer you have to seperate the man from the beast and compare them side by side. Could be the human side comes ouot more evil, depending on what the wolf side acts upon. *shrugs werewolves aren't my specialty but make for fantastic stories starting with a female alone in the woods to get away from the hectic city lifestyle and bad relationships...

Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: sovereign234 on August 02, 2012, 07:18:18 PM
not every were is evil not every where is good. just like humans they have a right to choose for themselves
Title: Re: Are werewolves good or evil?
Post by: LeXtruX on August 11, 2012, 12:56:11 PM
Good and evil are human concepts laid down by society wether it is religious or political...
There is no good or evil, no right or wrong, just positive or negative: killing for survival is positive for yourself because you survive that way, but negative for the other species because one of them died. Killing for survival could be protecting yourself as well as for eating.
Also good and evil are subjective... Take the war against terrorism... In the western world they are the evil and we are the good, whereas for said terrorist what they do is good and what we do is evil.

So depending through who's eyes you look werewolves can be good or evil, whereas through the eyes of the werewolves it could be the opposite.

Also I want to state, just like moloch did: were = man and wolf = wolf (duh) so werewolf means manwolf if you say a were your saying a man. it's not an abbreviation because the "abbreviation" were is just 1 of two words put together...