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Dead... And Not So Dead => The Dead and the Undead => Topic started by: prezhorusin04 on July 02, 2005, 11:31:29 PM
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Scientists Create
Zombie Dogs
By Nick Buchan
NEWS.com.au
6-29-5
http://www.rense.com/general66/zombie.htm
Scientists have created eerie zombie dogs, reanimating the canines after several hours of clinical death in attempts to develop suspended animation for humans. US scientists have succeeded in reviving the dogs after three hours of clinical death, paving the way for trials on humans within years.
Pittsburgh's Safar Centre for Resuscitation Research has developed a technique in which subject's veins are drained of blood and filled with an ice-cold salt solution.
The animals are considered scientifically dead, as they stop breathing and have no heartbeat or brain activity.
But three hours later, their blood is replaced and the zombie dogs are brought back to life with an electric shock.
Plans to test the technique on humans should be realised within a year, according to the Safar Centre.
However rather than sending people to sleep for years, then bringing them back to life to benefit from medical advances, the boffins would be happy to keep people in this state for just a few hours,
But even this should be enough to save lives such as battlefield casualties and victims of stabbings or gunshot wounds, who have suffered huge blood loss.
During the procedure blood is replaced with saline solution at a few degrees above zero. The dogs' body temperature drops to only 7C, compared with the usual 37C, inducing a state of hypothermia before death.
Although the animals are clinically dead, their tissues and organs are perfectly preserved.
Damaged blood vessels and tissues can then be repaired via surgery. The dogs are brought back to life by returning the blood to their bodies,giving them 100 per cent oxygen and applying electric shocks to restart their hearts.
Tests show they are perfectly normal, with no brain damage.
"The results are stunning. I think in 10 years we will be able to prevent death in a certain segment of those using this technology," said one US battlefield doctor.
Copyright 2005 News Limited.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15739502-13762,00.html
Dr. Peter Safar-Pioneer of 'suspended animation' science:
http://www.post-gazette.com/lifestyle/20020331safar0331fnp2.asp
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I wonder if that would have deep space travel applications too?
By the way welcome to the site!
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*Shakes head* And one day...*Fast forwards to the future* Were here on local channel 8 bringing you uptodate news on this phenomenon. People have been resorting to canibleism and chaos has struck the U.S....Wait! Run! Run! Holy s**t! *Camera dies*...shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Dawn of the dead all over again....where's my shotgun, there's zombies to kill...re-kill...ummmm.....shoot. yeah that'll work :D
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Zak
I wonder if that would have deep space travel applications too?
That could be one positive application..But it seems we're still a long way off before there is any long distance space travel in store for humans..
I can't help but to think of negative ways this science might be used..
They've been doing similiar things with African Voodoo 'zombies' for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. It's not as hi-tech as this, but kinda the same idea..
Or, worse case scenerio, we really do get ravenous zombie dogs on the loose!! :!:
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I hope to not live to see doomsday. I couldn't handle it.
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So if they are dead then brought back to life with nothing wrong with them then does that mean there is no soul sorry but just wondering.
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I wonder if they still seem like the same dog after ward....if done on humans would they turn into cannibal zombies, children(mentally, though physically adults), or would they just be...there. Seems to me that as time moves on we keep wanting to play god over and over again.
something to think about.
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oh the possible implications amd uses of zombie dogs
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Why the hell do we need freaking zombie dogs? If we cant have zombie Mila, we dont wanna no zombie dogs!
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Seriously the time will come when zombies will walk the earth. I know this. Whether it be voodoo.Virus strain. Zombie dogs on ice!
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What I find strange is the report was from 2005 and there hasn't been anything on it later. I can't seem to find anything on the lab's website, although they have updates in 2007. It's like the project was stopped and never spoken of again... CREEEEEPY... Maybe we'll see a zombie apocalypse some time soon? :-P zombie dog apocalypse that is...
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If someone dies, i think it's best to just let him/her be dead..
You don't know how this person will be as a zombie. And if evryone
never dies then we're in serious trouble..
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Reanimating "dead" tissue.
What is dead anyway?
If we can resurrect someone shouldn't we? If we can repair a body 100 percent and bring back a soul from the beyond, why not?
Why not finally beat death?
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In my opinion,when the time comes its time to go. I dont believe death is the end. 0:)
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Hey if you want to die. you can tell us when you get back. so quit complaining.
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I'm not complaining. Actually,I believe its the opposite. I'm not saying,oh my I don't wanna die,I'm saying I'm not scared of death.
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Sorry, what i meant was
"If you want to stay dead, you can tell us after we pull your soul kicking and screaming from wherever"
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Right...:-/
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The reason you don't see any news on this project after 2005 is that what they are doing is in direct violation of the rules set down by the Institutional Animal Care & Use Committee. In order for them to legally conduct this procedure on dogs they would have to apply for permission including a full write up of every step they plan to do. They would also have to provide research supporting their plans as being possible. Then it would have to be done on "lower" life forms such as frogs, rats, mice. Only after the committee has reviewed & approved the results would they be allowed to try the procedure on canines, felines, or chimps.
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Hrm,well if this is indeed true then it scares me.Zombies will walk the earth,oh yes,they will!
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they just won't be mindless bags of flesh........ well not any more than what they were in life.
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my theory is when something dies, what makes him/her is gone, i guess a soul for lack of better term. The machine that was the body has shut down and will begin to destroy itself. If we halt this destruction and restart the machine, its not like the "soul" will be dragged back to it. It may have moved on to another form of life aka another machine.
The restarted body/machine is just that a machine. It will do what the mechanics need and has no sense of the "proper" way to get them. It sees what it needs and goes after it, and *poof* zombie.
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Well that all depends on the way you look at it, really. If you put the soul into consideration it really is problematic, but if you think about it the way a scientist would, the soul is nothing but brain waves and neural impulses with a personality registered in it kind of like an operating system on a computer. I'm not sure which one I believe...
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People who are enslaved by their desires and obsessions are already like that. All the memories the specimen has acumulated will play some part in its behaviour.
CHess champion zombie anyone?
Checkmate! Braiiins.~
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well cellular memory has been proven to be real its completely possible for the body to do the things its body remembers. Though how long the memory lasts...not so sure.
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I don't see how someone could be brought back and still be them. Whether or not you believe in a 'soul' there's still personality and that spark that makes someone who they are. How would that still be there when they die??
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Well if you don't believe in the soul, it means you believe in the scientific interpretation of personality: In a way, your personality is just how your brain interacts with its surroundings according to past experiences, etc. In a other words, a dead body doesn't lose its personality unless the brain is badly damaged and/or decomposed.
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I believe we have souls, I put that addendum there for anyone else. I don't see how you can bring the soul back after a living thing has been dead. I don't see how the dog would be the same dog. A dog in name only.
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i think whats dead should really stay dead, if i wanted to die and someone brought me back to life i would be pissed :gun:
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It's creepy how much they're willing to mess with Creation... Especially with animals. Test things on people... leave the animals alone.
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Mm... If i agreed with your logic kadesh. i 'd say go ahead with dead animal testing since according to you the soul separates from the body anyway after death.
:-D
( Here's a secret. Dem shamanz and necromancers use teh bodies as connections to da spirit ya? Soz there gotta be sam ting up wit dat stuffz. A connection o somting.)
And Strife. If 'They' wanted someone to bring back, i believe those people who wanted to comeback would have signed up for the program first. (damn sounds like i'm talking about washed up celebrities)
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It's not the fact that the soul and the animal are one or separated.... it's the fact that it's an animal. I love them. I can't say the same of most people.
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It's creepy how much they're willing to mess with Creation... Especially with animals. Test things on people... leave the animals alone.
Heh, the "You can't play God" argument... It's science. Religion and ethics should stay away from it. Without breaking the rules and playing God, we wouldn't progress. Look at body modifications for example: North American (dunno about the rest of the world) governments outlaw body modifications, but Brazil doesn't. (By body mods, I mean modifying/experimenting on the human body such as adding machinery to it to make it more efficient, I'm not talking about piercings and tattoos.) They managed to make a blind guy see, but they had to do the experiment in Brazil because the US Government didn't want the scientists to do it. It's a law because modifying people like that, even if it improves their quality of life, isn't "ethical". In the end, they had to cancel the experiment for some reason I forgot...
Cloning is illegal because it would be playing with lives... But by outlawing cloning, you also outlaw cloning without developing a brain and so, a consciousness. It would be possible, with a little work, but it won't be done for another decade at least because we're not supposed to play God. (What I'm talking about is what they did in "The Island". Except in the movie, the clones were conscious and the "unconscious" part was just an ethical coverup.) With cloning, we could be practically immortal. Age would mean nothing, we could transfer from body to body as many times as we'd want.
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No... this has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with I love animals and don't like most people. That's the only reason I care. Stop testing this on animals and I'm cool with it. Go test some kids for all I care... just leave the doggies alone.
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Poor little doggies.
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Exactly.
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Did anyone realize that this is actually an old topic??
Dogs named "Igor":
http://www.monstrous.com/forum/index.php/topic,3175.0.html (http://www.monstrous.com/forum/index.php/topic,3175.0.html)
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No... this has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with I love animals and don't like most people. That's the only reason I care. Stop testing this on animals and I'm cool with it. Go test some kids for all I care... just leave the doggies alone.
Oh, then I agree with you :-P It was the "It's creepy how much they're willing to mess with Creation..." part that got me going on about ethics and religion and stuff... Don't hurt the doggies :(
Yeah, it is an old topic XD But it's still interesting, don't you think? :D I wonder if they'll ever give results.. it's been 4 years since they last updated anything...
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"Creation" to me, means animals. If we're talking humans, I'd say "abomination" is much closer to the truth. I don't see why people always think it's ok to test things on animals!! If you've ever looked into an animal's eyes, you'd know they have feelings just like we do.
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Yeah, you're right, animals shouldn't be tested on. They did manage to prove that they weren't breaking any laws concerning animal rights so I'm not sure if they were the ones killing the dogs in the first place... I think the dogs were already dead :O (But anybody with a bit of intelligence can work around laws, so who knows there are some twisted stuff going on in labs and its totally legal...)
"Creation" to me, means animals.
Ah, okay. Usually when someone uses Creation, they're talking about God's work or whatever else they believe in... 'twas all a misunderstanding. :-)
(And just to clear things up, I don't think animal testing is right if the animal is harmed during the experiment. If you want to create something for humans, test it on humans. Sometimes, though, animals aren't harmed, but we can never really know what goes on in those labs, so it can be a touchy subject...)
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Who's to say the animals aren't harmed?? My dog is a trooper and when she had a thorn in her paw and I pulled it out she didn't flinch or make a sound. If someone is telling me that a two inch thorn coming out doesn't hurt..... Then I'll freely tell them they're full of .
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Well that's the point of regulations to protect animal rights, they make sure nobody's dumb enough to go "look, the dog didn't flinch, so it wasn't hurt". But what I'm saying is even if they claim to follow the regulations, they could just be working around the regulations. But seriously, there has been worse done to animals than reviving them after they died. They probably wouldn't kill the dogs for the experiment, but take ones that are already dead. And if the reviving hurts, would you rather be dead or in pain?
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Let me put it this way. I adore my dog. She is my kid; and by that I mean I would kill to protect her. (Not many people understand that, either.) But if she died, I wouldn't put her through this reanimation process. When you really love someone, sometimes it's better just to let them go.
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Taxidermy anyone?
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I said I love her... not that I'm obsessed with her and want to keep her stuffed body around to make love to on cold winter nights. :-P
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I [...] want to keep her stuffed body around to make love to on cold winter nights. :-P
Oh, so taxidermy, necrophilia and zoophilia, huh?
I love modifying quotes... :roll:
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well would it be considered necrophilia? The definition of necrophilia is sex with a corpse, A stuffed animal is just the skin on i think a plastic or plastic-like mold of the dogs body....? Is that act even possible? What would you do its ear? or tail?
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well would it be considered necrophilia? The definition of necrophilia is sex with a corpse, A stuffed animal is just the skin on i think a plastic or plastic-like mold of the dogs body....? Is that act even possible? What would you do its ear? or tail?
Don't ask me, I've never done it with a stuffed animal... I'm crazy, but not that crazy...
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From what Raz tells me, you just hold it's legs together. :roll:
But I suppose, a female could use the leg, if it were the right size. Obviously an elephant wouldn't work in this scenario......
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actually I beg to differ all of your opinions...
I believe, so if you don't agree I understand, that our heart is the engine of the vessel we call our bodies...
But I do think that the brain is where our 'soul' or 'spirit' (call it what you like) is stored in. Basicly it means our souls are chained to our brain. So when we are 'dead' but our brain is still capable to be reactivated again (damaged or not) our soul/spirit is still chained to our body, meaning you won't be a zombie.
You don't pass on immediatly.
Then about ghosts, souls still chained to their bodies aren't ghosts yet, they aren't visible, but when their link is being severed (where it's because the brain is decomposed or too damaged to ever work again) the spirit sets free. Still not passing on, some spirits feel bound to this realm, and don not want to pass on. Because of this they are merely an annomaly in this realm, they can take their former forms (most likely because it is familiar to them) but they are still pure energy, not like electricity, but spiritual energy...
This post fits in multiple topics thought.
To mark a post in the ghost section, some of you think ghosts/spirits can make a solid state version of themselves.
I don't believe this is possible, if they are ghosts that means they are astral/spiritual energy, and energy can never become solid ;)
I do believe they can bend other energy (call it telekinesis) to move objects though, since you can alter the form of energy ;)
Now, if you think there are flaws in my belief, or you agree with me, I'd be pleased to know:)
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Before I say anything else..... I have a question. Do you mean solid as in I can touch them or solid as in visible?
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solid as in physical, like you and me, touchable :)
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Then perhaps you need to look into a thread titled "Possibility".
But for here and now.. :focus:
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yes I was reffering to that one I think ^^