Monstrous
Dead... And Not So Dead => The Dead and the Undead => Topic started by: luminar on July 05, 2008, 08:49:39 AM
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hello there, i know there have been posts in the past by people who want to learnt to summon legions of undead and bring forth "servants" from the underworld. and prance around in dark red robes screaming im a necromancer fear me mortals! however im not that guy i dont want to practice the art i just want to understand any and all things related to the dead, undead, recently dead, necromantic, and so on and so forth. any books or websites or whatever the crap else would be much appreciated. (i probably spelled that wrong.)
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i do not mean to offend but i would like to state that i think necromancy is something that should be destroyed entirely if it even exist at all. we are mortal, it is not our place to raise the dead and such. and if i where dead and got raised i would be really pissed off. i could elaborate on my argument but i am to lazy. i just want to say it is stupid and all you people in pursuit of such powers need to find other hobbies.
if you do not mind me asking, why gain knowledge you do not intend to use, if its out there, let it remain unknown, hopefully forgotten forever.
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Eventually websites regarding to necromancy are extremely rare, and I've read about the history of necromancy in many point of views in some books I'll have to search for later. So far I know it's one of the most ancient forms of magic and was utilized for the purpose of obtaining useful information. The word literally derives from the greek meaning corpse (nekros) and divination (manteia). A large part of primitive shamanism, from which all forms of magic derive, was about communicating with the spirits of dead ancestors and somehow it's related to voodoo due to it's attitude toward the dead.
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I will not comment on the morality of such a practice, it is a person's decision if he/she wishes to delve into such arts. Those with the purest of intentions can fall, however, those with the strongest of wills and the greatest of desires will be the least likely to stray from their paths.
There is no line dividing magic from "white" or "darK" there is only the will and intention.
My trust, you shall not abuse, or your to me it belongs.
So mote it be.
http://www23.brinkster.com/falcis/
(http://www23.brinkster.com/falcis/)
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Raziel's right, and Christianity is one that'll agree with no line dividing white magic and black magic, to them it's all evil. Hang on, I'm rambling. :roll:
Thanks for the link Raz, there's plenty of info I was looking for on it. :wink:
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i do not mean to offend but i would like to state that i think necromancy is something that should be destroyed entirely if it even exist at all. we are mortal, it is not our place to raise the dead and such. and if i where dead and got raised i would be really pissed off. i could elaborate on my argument but i am to lazy. i just want to say it is stupid and all you people in pursuit of such powers need to find other hobbies.
if you do not mind me asking, why gain knowledge you do not intend to use, if its out there, let it remain unknown, hopefully forgotten forever.
I don't mean offend but LOL!!!
Who are you to say that just cause we are mortals we don't have rights to fark around with the dead by raising them. If mortals don't have the right to do some thing then they wouldn't be able to do it in the first place. I am not a necromancer nor do I like it but I will not be on the side that is for destruction of knowledge.
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knowledge is power, and vince has none............ thor. do you want us to end up like dog boy over there? :banplea: *<:)
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Wow! That was cold! I think I need a blanket!
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hello there, i know there have been posts in the past by people who want to learnt to summon legions of undead and bring forth "servants" from the underworld. and prance around in dark red robes screaming im a necromancer fear me mortals! however im not that guy i dont want to practice the art i just want to understand any and all things related to the dead, undead, recently dead, necromantic, and so on and so forth. any books or websites or whatever the crap else would be much appreciated. (i probably spelled that wrong.)
Let us know if you want us to perform any experiments on traditional zombies. Not only are we surrounded by them- we have one as a pet -iamnotinfected.com
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I have to agree with Raz & Tybalt. True magick has no color, like nature, it is all in the intention of the practitioner. While I don't agree with necromancy, I also don't agree with destroying knowledge simply because it might be used for negative purposes. just as with any knowledge necromancy in the right hands could be useful. Fear of necromancy stems from the very human fear of death. Zombies, at least traditional Voodun zombies, are not necromantic. Voodun zombies are not dead, they are living humans put into a catatonic death like state after ingesting a natural poison which suppresses heart & respirations to the point that the person appears dead. The fear of becoming a zombie among practitioners is the loss of free will that is believed to occur. The zombie is then used as free labor & is constantly fed the poison in a smaller dose to keep them docile & working. Necromancy as practiced by the ancient greeks didn't literally mean "raising the dead" it simply meant using dead things (human or animal) for purposes of diving the future. Similar practices still continue in tribal Africa in which they use bones as a divination tool by tossing the bones & interpreting the positions they fall in.
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I agree. However the poison (tetrodotoxin (TTX) used in Voodoo, really causes physical damage to the brain and it's irreversible.
Draco.
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Oh noes!
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Ah, well raziel, i am a Necromancer, i have known the ways of necromancy for 109 years, and counting, if you have any questions, ask away!
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hmm......... what is the best way to extract, contain and focus the soul of a dying being? what are the best containers? how would you make them? are their any household alternatives? do zombies have bad breath? do you brush their teeth? are ground rhino horns really aphrodisiacs? Which is harder to contol, a zombie or a skeleton? would inserting animal parts in the preparation process of the body boost the zombie's durability, speed, strength... etc? How do you keep them smelling fresh? Are you a mortician by profession? Is the world really round? Why does love hurt? do babies have a proper conspicuousness? Do cavities get cavities? How much are the MIB paying you? Why do fools fall in love? how many colors in a rain bow? How much wood would a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood? and if woodchuck could chuck wood, how do you know how much wood should a woodchuck chuckm, that is if it could? :banplea:
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I agree with Thundergod
I do not wish to play with forces more powerful than my own...
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Ah, well raziel, i am a Necromancer, i have known the ways of necromancy for 109 years, and counting, if you have any questions, ask away!
Pussy.
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Ah, well raziel, i am a Necromancer, i have known the ways of necromancy for 109 years, and counting, if you have any questions, ask away!
Now, for some reason, I didn't believe a word you said...
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*cough bulls**t
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....You people must also hate your bosses and co-workers don't cha?
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Hahaha Raziel ur a bad arse motherfocker
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....You people must also hate your bosses and co-workers don't cha?
What's that 'boss' you speak of...? :-P
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Hahaha Raziel ur a bad arse motherfocker
You know it "insert-word-that-rhymes-with-witch-but-maybe-used-as-a-term-of-endearment-or-insult"!!!!
....You people must also hate your bosses and co-workers don't cha?
What's that 'boss' you speak of...? :-P
The one that kicked you off your job and was in turn kicked off his because of the economy?
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....You people must also hate your bosses and co-workers don't cha?
What's that 'boss' you speak of...? :-P
The one that kicked you off your job and was in turn kicked off his because of the economy?
Nah, it was more like I left, then tried to get another job but in the meantime, the economy got farked and now I don't have a job :-P (But my old boss probably lost her's too (she deserved it ^_^))
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Great, you have just proven me right.
Now may i convince you to crotch grab butt naked in front of your local police officer?
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I'd rather not :-P
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You know that it really turns on the passers-by. :wink:
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I will not comment on the morality of such a practice, it is a person's decision if he/she wishes to delve into such arts. Those with the purest of intentions can fall, however, those with the strongest of wills and the greatest of desires will be the least likely to stray from their paths.
There is no line dividing magic from "white" or "darK" there is only the will and intention.
My trust, you shall not abuse, or your to me it belongs.
So mote it be.
I agree Completely. There are many things in this world that require only dedication and devotion.
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in my earlier posting (almost 2 years ago now lol ?) i was a bit rude. . .
thats say you can use the powers of necromancy to some good, then fine, let them be known. but i think for these kids we have on here running around in search of power. . .cuz they obviously dont have any naturally. .. we need to shut down the idea that its some kind of power you can weild in your backyard to bring back sparky your dog who died last month, yes i miss my dog too billy but not enough to lose my soul.
you guys need to read some HPL before you ever consider using dark magic.
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in my earlier posting (almost 2 years ago now lol ?) i was a bit rude. . .
thats say you can use the powers of necromancy to some good, then fine, let them be known. but i think for these kids we have on here running around in search of power. . .cuz they obviously dont have any naturally. .. we need to shut down the idea that its some kind of power you can weild in your backyard to bring back sparky your dog who died last month, yes i miss my dog too billy but not enough to lose my soul.
you guys need to read some HPL before you ever consider using dark magic.
Seconded and thirded. Yes, I can cast two votes; anyone care to argue that point? (Shut up, put down your hand, and sit down, Raz. You'll just make me hurt your brain in IMs some more.)
Though to be honest, if you really want to see what the black arts do to the human mind, come see me. I'm not even a mundane human, and it's made me totally insane; a freaking genius - yeah - but still bats**t crazy. And I'm one of the lucky ones who can still function.
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We are all aware that necromancy isnt just raising the dead. Its any form of magic involving the deads cooporation. Ouija boards are necromancy. Its not a big deal.
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You're only partially right, Angelus. But it is black magic, and is harmful to the practitioner in the long run.
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This is slightly off topic but I just had to say something about Moloch's post. That is the best definition of black magic I've ever heard. Magic should be helpful for the practitioner (good/white magic) so it follows that magic which has a negative affect on the practitioner would be black. Even if, as I do, you believe there is no truly black/white magic simply the intention behind it, this is a great way to explain to the lay man the diffrence.
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the ignorant people though, that's say for example most Christians believe all magic to be evil (if it isn't ruled a "miracle") . so good luck explaining it to those kind of people. a more open minded person could totally understand that the magics are not split good evil but more intention based. can you not even call upon the spirits for good cause ? maybe your parents or grandparents for guidance or something idk.
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...................... Aren't people more open minded than this?
I mean, what's magical for one may be a coincidence for another and a wonderfully well researched phenomena applied to achieve a tangible effect for another? Different things for different people.
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ah in a perfect world maybe raz. . . no people are not more open minded. if someone see's something that you have and they want it badly enough they are gonna either try to take it, have you give it to them, or just kill you because then it wouldn't exist at all. humans tend to fear that which we do not understand, even if it just means a change of perception.
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there are a lot of people that act otherwise.
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humans tend to fear that which we do not understand, even if it just means a change of perception.
People do tend to fear what they don't understand.Me, I fear what scares the crap out of me. But sooner or later I understand it and laugh of that fear I have. Also to the topic: Yeah people do not understand Necromancy, except that they think of it as a black magic. Even though my family is Christian, I really couldn't care less for religion. I understand what I want to even if it scares me. Alot of Christians make people want to know that there is a poweful "Creator" of us. The way I see it is that it's a way to say how life began. I said what I want to, Mental out.