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The Darker Side => Demons, Demonology and The Devil => Topic started by: syress on October 17, 2008, 02:06:28 AM
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Hello everyone i am new at Monstrous and i love to study demonology and angelic lore.
I discovered this site when i was looking for demon hunting advice and i had read many posts here. But i still have one question that i cant find how to track a demon.
I have read that there are a few here who have experience with demons and i know demonic omens is one way. But how does a hunter start and find where they are what they are.
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the better question here is do you really want to be a hunter. this will not be an easy, not to mention, pleasurable work
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I have a hunger for knowledge and truth, the alternative of not knowing would be harder for me.
That is why i am interested in tracking then slowly progressing up the ladder.
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The best advice you can get is to find someone near you, where you live. Who has personal knowledge, &, or, experience. Getting info on the web, & hands on experience, just does not compare. No matter how much info anyone can give, it will just not prepare you.
Don't think I am trying to discourage you however. If you have a passion for this, then best of luck.
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to find a demon you just have to know where to look. I would do research on it first but I am just curious as to why you really want to find demons. Do you want to just know more about them or did you want to benefit mankind and help stop the tyranny of the problems they cause? If you are just looking for knowledge i would just stick to the books because then your fiddling in things that you shouldn't be involved in. Bad things happen when you disrupt the balances of nature. If you are trying to help mankind and protect them I just give you warning your going to piss off a lot of forces and people by doing so be careful. Try not to get your friends and family involved with it because demons may hurt them to get back at you. Just try not to do anything stupid without a lot of research about it first. Actually there are many demon hunters and exorcist out there you just have to go look. It takes many years of research to understand the capability of what demons can do with their manipulative powers.
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I have a thread that addresses this sort of thing, but I'll save you the trouble. As you have said, tracking a demon can be done through omens, which is the safest way for it to be done. The only other conventional means of tracking a demon are a bit...cruel. Demons always have a pattern of attack, strategic coordinations that range from branching out of an area to forming a symbol out of death sites. You could try to find out the demon's strategy and predict where it will strike next, but this could mean having to wait for it to kill its next victim. I wouldn't exactly reccomend this, and there are other less heartless ways of tracking one, but other means are usually linked with the occult, and I cannot reccomend those means to anyone. Studying demonology, you would probably know that demons can easily manifest through occultic practices; therby making them dangerous to yourself and others.
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demons don't always kill and there are many ways to track demons down without getting involved with religions and only some of these deal with demon rituals. I would just like to make it clear on here that not all cults deal with demons. I have been looking closely at new religious movements and the accusations that people put onto these religions and have figured out that it is very rare if they deal with demons at all. Technically demons can manifest through many practices not just the occultic sort. If we really look at it demons like to come out at the mainstream religions more so than through the smaller groups. (a joke in the religious field is that demons like attention) But anyways we need to know if the person who started the thread wants to just know more about demons or actually wants to find them for a certain cause. This is only due to the fact that if you just want to know more about them then you shouldn't tamper with them (like i said).
A recent theory of mine is for people to try to forget that demons exsist and demons will fade. Not really to forget that they exsist but to not acknoledge their presence for the strive of attention. But i don't recommend ammatures to do this because we haven't tested it out yet.
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demons don't always kill and there are many ways to track demons down without getting involved with religions and only some of these deal with demon rituals. I would just like to make it clear on here that not all cults deal with demons. I have been looking closely at new religious movements and the accusations that people put onto these religions and have figured out that it is very rare if they deal with demons at all. Technically demons can manifest through many practices not just the occultic sort. If we really look at it demons like to come out at the mainstream religions more so than through the smaller groups. (a joke in the religious field is that demons like attention) But anyways we need to know if the person who started the thread wants to just know more about demons or actually wants to find them for a certain cause. This is only due to the fact that if you just want to know more about them then you shouldn't tamper with them (like i said).
A recent theory of mine is for people to try to forget that demons exsist and demons will fade. Not really to forget that they exsist but to not acknoledge their presence for the strive of attention. But i don't recommend ammatures to do this because we haven't tested it out yet.
I understand what you mean when you say its best not to tamper with them, and i can assure you i understand the risks and hazards very well from the theoretical side off demonology, e.g whats written i know my fair share.
The reason i want to know how to track demons is to learn how to find them and hunt then and in turn understand them. I wish to rid there influence from our world and wish to understand why they do what they do, find out are all off them evil or where do they come from.
@Regina Terra
I have tried to look around my local area for people who have interest in this field but no luck at all, so that is why i am looking for information on how to track so i can start myself without having to rely on people.
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From the posts i have read here, it seams quite a few people have first hand experiences with hunting and encountering demons.
How did you tack and find them down?
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If you read the first post in to hunt a demon LE gives some interesting perspectives on demons, tracking, and hunting them.
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If you read the first post in to hunt a demon LE gives some interesting perspectives on demons, tracking, and hunting them.
are you referring to http://www.monstrous.com/forum/index.php?topic=6248.0? if so i have read it a few times over and while its very interesting its not exactly practicle
From the posts people have made in this forums they sound like they have had first had and numerous experiences with demons, yet no one mentions how they started or how they track demons let alone how they identify what demon they are and give no specifications on how they combat them (apart from exorcism ritual which from past experiences requires more then one preist and a number of helpers who have been properly blessed)
The posts in http://www.monstrous.com/forum/index.php/topic,5736.0.html have some of the people i am talking about.
Tybalt cough my eye with responses such as "
Long story short, he turned on me, has the item and got his ass whipped by the demon. He now suffers severe wounds now that he tries to still hunt while he isn't bonded (After he turned on me I wasn't going to let him keep that power!). His current girlfriend begs him to stop, but he doesn't, because of this demon who frequently goes inside him he is losing his humanity and emotions and goes out of his way to kill small animals, or use to.
This story does not end with the true demon dead. It ends with me making a contract with the demon to leave my territory for the summer in exchange for a little bit that is mine. I am not sure what I am going to do about him, I am still thinking, I got a few more months."
there are many more i can point out, but generally people in that post talk like they had some kind of experience.
I am not a skeptic of a critic or anything but its hard to hunt something without knowing where to start let alone what to look for and this kind of things don't all on to your lap every second day of the week, so the question still stands how did you all track down what you hunt?
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I have a comment...
You say my thread is not very practical, but judging by the rest of that post as well as others, it seems to me as if you've never had a demon expirience; so pardon me, but let's leave the decision of what is practical to people who know what they're doing.
I also what to say that I do state how I track demons in my thread; if you don't understand what I wrote that is a different story. Granted, I may not have "specifications" on how to combat one, but I did say that I strongly suggest avoiding that kind of situation, I hope we all know why. And mind you, I do list a technique or two.
And no, I did not really mention anything of my own expiriences, but that is only because that is not my goal here. The thread is titled "To Hunt a Demon", and I intend to keep the thread material in that general area. The last thing I'd want to hear when reading a thread like that is someone's life story. If you must know now, yes, I have had expiriences, but that thread is not the place to put them...and neither is any other active thread.
Where to start looking? Somewhere. Like you yourself said, it isn't everyday you come across something like this; but then again, its not like there is any specific area where you will. You need to spend loads of time and research into a wide range areas, and...well...hope for the best. And for your information, as well as everyone else's, if you do happen to ever come across a true demon of high rank, chances are you're in for a roller coaster of pain. They will target you and harass you; no turning back. So for the most part, that's how my hunts go. It's not like jumping into a godforsaken woodland with a shotgun and follow footprints to the big bad beast...
Q: How do/did I track what I hunt(ed)?
A: Like I said in my thread and this one: Following a pattern of abnormalities that seem to be linked to the demonic.
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@LE,
you said once that the demons prime goal is to get the possessed to commit suicide, I wander if comparing suicide rates in different areas would be a practical way to begin searching for demonic activity?
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Im sorry but I cant help you here... Leave the hunting to the pro's. To many people get hurt... :gun:
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I wander if comparing suicide rates in different areas would be a practical way to begin searching for demonic activity?
How would you begin to seperate more mudane suicides from ones that may actually have been caused by demonic beings? Some states will usually have a higher suicide rate than others due to perfectly normal reasons. Unless you were willing to investigate the root cause behind each and every suicide , chances are that you'd be chasing an empty lead.
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It would be an interesting chase none the less, what I was referring to mainly was cities in moderate, temperate climate zones, statistics show colder places have higher suicide rates, and not all suicides in warmer weather are suicides.
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If you read the first post in to hunt a demon LE gives some interesting perspectives on demons, tracking, and hunting them.
are you referring to http://www.monstrous.com/forum/index.php?topic=6248.0? if so i have read it a few times over and while its very interesting its not exactly practicle
From the posts people have made in this forums they sound like they have had first had and numerous experiences with demons, yet no one mentions how they started or how they track demons let alone how they identify what demon they are and give no specifications on how they combat them (apart from exorcism ritual which from past experiences requires more then one preist and a number of helpers who have been properly blessed)
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there are many more i can point out, but generally people in that post talk like they had some kind of experience.
I am not a skeptic of a critic or anything but its hard to hunt something without knowing where to start let alone what to look for and this kind of things don't all on to your lap every second day of the week, so the question still stands how did you all track down what you hunt?
The experiences I had were brought about because I knew a friend who was into black magic and summonings. Plus you have to think regionally. Deep in the bible belt would be a good place to look cause demons are naturally attracted to the religious fanatics there. Kind of like flies to shyte :lol: Check online for unusual stories and/or communities specifically dedicated to this. However, as so many have warned in this thread this is real stuff....real bad stuff. You might wish you never found what you were looking for and I highly recommend against it.
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.Deep in the bible belt would be a good place to look cause demons are naturally attracted to the religious fanatics there. Kind of like flies to shyte
Or maybe the relatively greater odds of alleged demonic activity being reported in this particular region is simply a reflection of the fact that the extremely religious inhabitants of these parts are simply more inclined to ascribe supernatural causes to problems that may have a perfectly mundane origin? Just my two cents as to why socially conservative states may appear to be more vulnerable to suspected demonic hauntings than their more liberal neighbours elsewhere in the U.S.
and not all suicides in warmer weather are suicides
I'm sorry, but the last part of your statement was a little hard to follow. By ''all suicides'' , do you actually mean all alleged suicides? Thanks.
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Or maybe the relatively greater odds of alleged demonic activity being reported in this particular region is simply a reflection of the fact that the extremely religious inhabitants of these parts are simply more inclined to ascribe supernatural causes to problems that may have a perfectly mundane origin? Just my two cents as to why socially conservative states may appear to be more vulnerable to suspected demonic hauntings than their more liberal neighbours elsewhere in the U.S.
You do have a point, but you have to know that American Protestants are extremely skeptical of things that exist outside of their religion, and even quite a few things mentioned in the Bible. Most Christians, even in extremely religiously conservative areas, upon seeing something paranormal, are more likely to believe they're seeing things than to instantly blame it on demons, if only because the Bible doesn't acknowledge the existence of giant hairy carnivorous monsters or they simply feel safer believing that stuff like that doesn't happen. There are the rare few that are zealous to the point of being almost witch-hunters, but those are definitely the minority.
I actually personally know a man, who is extremely zealous and conservative in his Christian beliefs, that had an encounter with a UFO. It blew his mind, and even being the superstitious man he is, he just couldn't grasp for a long time what had happened. I can imagine many people in the South would feel the same way toward unexplained sightings and experiences, especially concerning sightings of dark beings mentioned nowhere in the Christian Bible.
Being the open-minded person I am, I definitely would give credibility to the idea that the psychic disruption caused by the strange and dark history of the American South might make it susceptible to many different, unconnected, independant paranormal phenomena, which is an occurence often noticed by paranormal researchers and investigators.
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I can imagine many people in the South would feel the same way toward unexplained sightings and experiences, especially concerning sightings of dark beings mentioned nowhere in the Christian Bible.
So anything out of the ordinary that occurs is likely to provoke a search for an explanation that will be scientific rather than supernatural or religious in nature?
Being the open-minded person I am, I definitely would give credibility to the idea that the psychic disruption caused by the strange and dark history of the American South might make it susceptible to many different, unconnected, independant paranormal phenomena, which is an occurence often noticed by paranormal researchers and investigators
I found the last part of what you said to be especially interesting. Are you suggesting that due to certain historical events in the South, it has become a lure if you will, for various kinds of paranormal activity? Thanks
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So anything out of the ordinary that occurs is likely to provoke a search for an explanation that will be scientific rather than supernatural or religious in nature?
Doubtful. More than anything it is likely to be hushed up, and thus become the kind of legend people are afraid to talk about.
I found the last part of what you said to be especially interesting. Are you suggesting that due to certain historical events in the South, it has become a lure if you will, for various kinds of paranormal activity? Thanks
Perhaps. In the study of the paranormal, locales that have a history of violence are more likely to be paranormal "hotspots". Whether it's the collective energy of the violence that has caused this, or whether the violence is a result of the reality disturbance, I don't know, and that's something that is heavily debated amonst researchers of the unknown.
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@blowfly,
yes I meant alleged suicides, or in other words murders made out to look like suicides, accidental drug o.d.'s....etc
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some demons are harder to track than others, a lot of demons like to take human form or poses humans where as others prefer to stay pure.
and some demons you don't want to find, even if you are an experienced hunter.
the main problem to finding a demon is they are like all other species, they can adapt to help them survive, this is one of the reasons they have lasted so long. some people can feel the ora of some demons, but others can feed a false sence into you to keep you off there tracks.
never chase a demon unless you know how to handle it if things turn nasty, you might think all demons are the same and there fore they can all be stoped the same way, WRONG demons in one way are like humans in the term they are all different. we have humans that are stronger and faster than others, so do demons.
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i wont go into detail about a lot of what i know about demons-it would take to long. however, if you are interested in some of what i know, you can feel free to message me any time. one way to tell if a demon has been in a building recently is that they will leave a bit of sulfur at the foot of the place where they entered. maybe its a line at the foot of a door. maybe at the base of a window. just an interesting tidbit o' knowledge
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The best advice you can get is to find someone near you, where you live. Who has personal knowledge, &, or, experience. Getting info on the web, & hands on experience, just does not compare. No matter how much info anyone can give, it will just not prepare you.
Don't think I am trying to discourage you however. If you have a passion for this, then best of luck.
Agreed ....it is some thing that will seek you, you cannot as much as you may want to seek it..Just does not work that way...
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Seems that if you are to track a demon, you had better for sure know what to do with it once you find it? I am not sure I am convinced they exist but from this forum people seem pretty sure.
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You shouldn't try to hunt a demon just to learn about them. I suggest getting in contact with professional ghost hunters or Exorcists. They are out there and can be found with many churches. They useally take a scientific route though so... I think its the right move because a lot of accounts of demonic possesion are people with mental illnesses or they have suffered a traumatic experience. But sometimes it is real. The problem with the spiritual realm intermixing with the natural world is that they don't leave anything for us to study.
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why does everyone hate demons????
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why does everyone hate demons????
a very good question in deed. Firstly because they hate and torment us. Secondly, if you believe in God or whatever they are suppose to lead us astray from that path. Thirdly, if you believe in the order of creation or hierarchy demons are the lowest creatures on the chain. Forth, they are pests and bring out the worst in us by manipulating our minds and emotions. The list goes on and on and on...
however, I have heard of a story that God actually uses demons to posses people to get people on the path, which i find fasicinating.
But to conclude and go back to the original topic of tracking demons, I suggest you shouldn't. But if you must the best way is to become a professional ghost hunter. They run into them occasionally (most of the time though they let professional demonologists deal with them). Otherwise, it is difficult to hunt them because they hunt the ones who don't want to be hunted. Oh I would like to rant that people can't just up and become demon hunters because it's unsafe both to you, your friends, family, and co-workers because if you get a demon following you they will hurt those around as well, even though their intent is you, but what is better than to hurt or disrupt those who mean something or are worth something to you. I would also like to say that a demonologist is not some person who just reads about it. They have actually had experience in dealing with these beings.
Last thing, I can't remember who said it but the question was why is there such a fasination about demons? Because simply they are evil and basically the 'bad ass' sterotype fasinates us. Kind of like gore. We want to know about it and see it but don't want to actually incounter it. However, this is not for everyone. Some have to deal with them because we were meant to and have the power to do so, even if we don't want anything to do with it. Another reason why people are fasinated by demons is because of the mysterousness to it. We have been taught so little about it that we thrive for knowledge. We didn't get our fill at the garden of eden, with the fall of the angels, or with the emergence of science! We strive for knowledge so that we can become greater beings and obtain oneness with God. Which is interesting the thing that got us into trouble is the only way out.
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As with most aspects of the paranormal most people become intrested/involved due to personal experience. If you want to track demons to try to understand why they do what they do, there isn't any need. It's just what they do. Asking why demons torment people is like asking why termites eat wood, it's what they were made to do. Rave's theory intrests me, it's similar to the solution thought of in Nightmare on Elm Street series on how to get rid of Freddy or the common solution most adults give to kids with bully problems "ignore it & it will go away" It also follows the theory that acknowledging something gives it power. If you are really meant to track these beings, they will seek you out don't go looking for them. Study all you can but always be careful.
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Well first thing to remember is that finding a demon is as easy as taking a look at yourself. Every person has his or her own demons. It only when you let yourself believe there real and truely there, that you will start to see them for what they are. A simple phrase my real mom told me, after I found out about my past. ( All it take to let a demon into your house and into your mind, is an open door.) What that meens is the idea that the more you sin against yourself and God's commands, the bigger the door will become and the more demons will have a chance to find you. Dont forgett what the bible also says. If you have or had demon in you, and you cast it out. And no Im not talking about possesion, but just the idea that we al have demons who tempt us. Well if you cast it out more will come back seven full. Meaning if you had one and you told it to leave you alone, expect it to eventuly try to come back but with six of its friends.
Anyone can CAST a demon away- its not as hard as the EMILY ROSE film made it out to be. Just have to Remember Demons Hate God and hate all of his word and commands. By keeping them holly and doing good, your not allowing the demons to tempt you.
First big step into finding and actuly talking to a real demon- is knowing who you want to envoke. And not just by name but read up and do some digging - find out what he/she dose or is--- each demon can teach you different and exciting new things. Both of the real and of the Devine. I have my own personal demons ( Arrogance, Dazzler, Flawed, Insolence) All of who I have come to know and give my respects to. But at the same time that they try to tempt me in my life ( sleep with other women other han my wife/ drink or do drugs ) I know its them trying to tempt me and I simply wont allow myself to fall.
Instead I have gotten to know each and pay my respects/but also make deals with them that I and they wont break.
And That is what I call forming a Pact with a demon.
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i must thinking as much as people empathize with others try empathixing with a demon they were forced to bow down to a severely flawed creature much weaker than them amd
were exiled from there home by a unjust god wouldnt you be pissed?
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yeah, I would be pissed.
Its all a matter of perspective, there are two sides to every story, its just that no one ever hears the other side to this one,
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and thats a dammm shame :cry:
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Most probably just dont know where to look, then others are so sure of their own religion that everyone else is automaticly wrong no matter what they think.
I try to look at everything with an open mind, then decide for myself what to believe.
and most of the time, I dont know what the hell to believe, but I learn alot in the process.
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i have to agree that is my perferred way of going about things and thisd makes me want to ask you something ravin........
want to start a religion?
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my father and i have been hunting for a little bit and got some leads that turned out to be nothing only two turned out to be angry spirits any advice would help us be beater will be gravely appreciated...thanks
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my father and i have been hunting for a little bit and got some leads that turned out to be nothing only two turned out to be angry spirits any advice would help us be beater will be gravely appreciated...thanks
Why would you even want to track a 'demon'? According to religion,tales,common sense( which kinda lacks in demon believers ) they are not physical beings , nor can they have a specific location where they usually reside. Your post only proves your lack of information in this field. How can you actually believe in something you probably don't even know anything about apart from what you've heard, seen in movies? Being a demon hunter will not bring you any money , entertainment ( you'll be messing with your subconscious the whole time until you become delusional ) and as far as I know , chicks don't really dig boys who hunt demons, unless they're actors who play demon hunter characters and have a six pack. Instead of wasting your time with 'hunting demons' , why don't you do something useful for the society? Join a charity program , (assuming this is why you hunt demons - to help us , the not-as-gifted-as-you fools around) or help your neighbor clean their front lawn. Seriously , you should give up on your 'hobby' or you will regret it later.
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There isn't much difference between demon hunting and animal hunting. You need to know environment (for sentient demons look more at the psychological concepts), Food supply (a.k.a. Bait), as well as preferable time of day for activity and any other variable you want to throw in there. Be careful as to direct summoning(it marks you) and if you were to summon multiple demons or spirits then they'd become more aware of your presence.
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my father and i have been hunting for a little bit and got some leads that turned out to be nothing only two turned out to be angry spirits any advice would help us be beater will be gravely appreciated...thanks
Best advice I can offer is
Stop watching Supernatural on TV if you are unable to differentiate between fact and fiction.
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Only a fool would go out looking, especially if they don't know what they're doing. That being said...there are different kinds of parasites, from least powerful to most powerful. The least powerful are the little shadows the you see out of the corner of your eye and are generally either formless or have animal forms. They're usually no bigger than a medium sized dog. The more powerful ones...would tear you apart, spiritually speaking. DON'T try hunting them, you Will die. I would suggest to everyone, whether hunting parasites or not, to learn as much as you can about psychic self-defense. And not the crunchy granola 'shield of white light' crap, but good practical techniques.
http://www.psivamp.org/shielding.htm (http://www.psivamp.org/shielding.htm)
http://www.psivamp.org/counters.htm (http://www.psivamp.org/counters.htm)
http://www.psipog.net/cat-shields.html (http://www.psipog.net/cat-shields.html)
Also, as to why parasites torment and 'hate' us, we are they're food source (cattle), and the more hatred, fear, pain, and anxiety that they can make us feel not only makes us taste better, but also seems to act like a drug to them. It's the equivalent of a psychopath tormenting a deer before killing and eating it. They're playing with their food, psychically feeding off of the fear and pain. They also just enjoy making people suffer. Why? Because they can and most people can't stop them. We are dinner and a show.
And ignoring them to cause them to loose power only works on the much weaker parasites, the stronger ones will simply escalate, until they've made your life unbearable and and you simply can't ignore them. The really powerful ones don't bother working on an individual scale, they seem to have bigger fish to fry. As far as I can tell, they are not 'fallen angels' from 'Hell', but they might come from an adjacent plane.
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That being said...there are different kinds of parasites, from least powerful to most powerful. The least powerful are the little shadows the you see out of the corner of your eye and are generally either formless or have animal forms. They're usually no bigger than a medium sized dog. The more powerful ones...would tear you apart, spiritually speaking. DON'T try hunting them, you Will die.
Evidence of your claims?
Also, as to why parasites torment and 'hate' us, we are they're food source (cattle), and the more hatred, fear, pain, and anxiety that they can make us feel not only makes us taste better, but also seems to act like a drug to them. It's the equivalent of a psychopath tormenting a deer before killing and eating it. They're playing with their food, psychically feeding off of the fear and pain. They also just enjoy making people suffer. Why? Because they can and most people can't stop them. We are dinner and a show.
And ignoring them to cause them to loose power only works on the much weaker parasites, the stronger ones will simply escalate, until they've made your life unbearable and and you simply can't ignore them. The really powerful ones don't bother working on an individual scale, they seem to have bigger fish to fry.
Evidence of your claims?
As far as I can tell, they are not 'fallen angels' from 'Hell', but they might come from an adjacent plane.
What evidence are you basing this upon?
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Evidence of my claims?
Personal experience. I'm not here to try to prove anything to anyone, just relate my own experiences and offer my own opinions. I indicated my speculations by using words like 'might', 'perhaps', 'may' and 'maybe'. I am a Skeptic in the style of Ancient Greece, I inquire and experiment until I have proven something to my own satisfaction, not to someone elses. It's how I got started in the paranormal and the occult. I wanted to see for myself, one way or another, if what happened to me as a child was real or just my imagination. To that end, from the age of 16, I'd spent years learning meditation, and trying various psychic and occult exercises, because just trying them for a day or a month would be nowhere near long enough. I also read other people's accounts, after I'd finished a particular round of experiments, so that my own experiences wouldn't be tainted. I think being a skeptic and demanding answers from others without trying yourself is a bit like saying that you hate strawberries if you've never eaten one, and refuse to even consider doing so. It's kind of like you're just auditing, and not really getting the full potential from the experience. That's why I started my research and experiments, I wanted to know myself, instead of just relying on hearsay. Also I'm not one for flights of fancy or who is prone to seeing or hearing things. I always look for other possible explanations.
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I inquire and experiment until I have proven something to my own satisfaction, not to someone elses.
Which, of course, is no proof at all.
Seeing something or experiencing something is not proof enough to believe in it. Personal experiences may be very convincing, but human perception is subject to many errors and weaknesses.
I wanted to see for myself, one way or another, if what happened to me as a child was real or just my imagination
Unfortunately, your method of "prov[ing] something to [your] own satisfaction, not to someone elses" would be completely unable to determine if those experiences were "real" or "imagined" - that would require an external, independent observer. That is just incredibly flawed reasoning; "the human mind is subject to natural laws, and it can be deceived . Just ask anyone who has ever experimented with hallucinatory drugs."
I think being a skeptic and demanding answers from others without trying yourself is a bit like saying that you hate strawberries if you've never eaten one, and refuse to even consider doing so.
Horsesh*t. Skeptics might as well all come from Missouri - the "show me" state: when they hear a fantastic claim they say, "that’s nice, prove it." This isn't me saying I hate strawberries without trying one - this is you telling the world that there are special - magic - strawberries that make you invisible. Except they only appear to special - magic - people...
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I love supernatural!!! Better then charmed. I think ultimately it comes down to what are you willing to do to attract what you want as an influence in your life? It takes a sinner to save a sinner and wickedness to know wickedness.
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I agree with Jake. I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it". I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working. I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost. I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.
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I agree with Jake. I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it". I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working. I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost. I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.
Welcome to the real world.
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I agree with Jake. I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it". I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working. I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost. I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.
Welcome to the real world.
I've had that same mindset. But there are quite a few people here who think that demons and the supernatural are very real. I don't think its wise to be close minded and imply or say that everything supernatural is fake. Anything is possible, its just that some things are highly unlikely. And I put demons and ghosts in that category until I have reason to believe otherwise.
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I agree with Jake. I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it". I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working. I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost. I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.
Welcome to the real world.
I've had that same mindset. But there are quite a few people here who think that demons and the supernatural are very real. I don't think its wise to be close minded and imply or say that everything supernatural is fake. Anything is possible, its just that some things are highly unlikely. And I put demons and ghosts in that category until I have reason to believe otherwise.
Supernatural = 1. not existing in nature or subject to explanation according to natural laws; not physical or material
Since the Universe is bound to the physical laws and it is formed by matter and energy(which is also tied to the material), these 'things' are not 'highly unlikely', they are simply non-existent. It cannot be proven that they are fake, but that isn't relevant to a debate since they CANNOT be proven to exist either.(Reports from so-called 'witnesses' cannot be used since the human brain is easily tricked by the most basic illusions).
However, in my opinion, an even more interesting subject than the supernatural is the human brain and its psychology.
And of course there are a lot of people here who are believers, I mean , it's a supernatural discussion forum. What would you expect?
Unfortunately , there aren't enough believers who you could debate with in here. Most of them imply witnesses and testimonies as an argument and ask you to prove that something that hasn't been proved to exist exists.
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I agree with Jake. I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it". I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working. I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost. I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.
Welcome to the real world.
I've had that same mindset. But there are quite a few people here who think that demons and the supernatural are very real. I don't think its wise to be close minded and imply or say that everything supernatural is fake. Anything is possible, its just that some things are highly unlikely. And I put demons and ghosts in that category until I have reason to believe otherwise.
Supernatural = 1. not existing in nature or subject to explanation according to natural laws; not physical or material
Since the Universe is bound to the physical laws and it is formed by matter and energy(which is also tied to the material), these 'things' are not 'highly unlikely', they are simply non-existent. It cannot be proven that they are fake, but that isn't relevant to a debate since they CANNOT be proven to exist either.(Reports from so-called 'witnesses' cannot be used since the human brain is easily tricked by the most basic illusions).
However, in my opinion, an even more interesting subject than the supernatural is the human brain and its psychology.
And of course there are a lot of people here who are believers, I mean , it's a supernatural discussion forum. What would you expect?
Unfortunately , there aren't enough believers who you could debate with in here. Most of them imply witnesses and testimonies as an argument and ask you to prove that something that hasn't been proved to exist exists.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/index.php (http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/index.php)
since being believers we're incapable of rising to your standards of debate...the atheists here can answer his tediously cliche questions, better than the simpletons on this site you have to suffer.
i've earned my lessons in smackdowns here too...
http://www.bondage.com/forum_id/47/forums/forum.html (http://www.bondage.com/forum_id/47/forums/forum.html)
akedia is one of my favorite atheists there.
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since being believers we're incapable of rising to your standards of debate...the atheists here can answer his tediously cliche questions, better than the simpletons on this site you have to suffer.
signed ;)
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I agree with Jake. I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it". I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working. I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost. I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.
Welcome to the real world.
I've had that same mindset. But there are quite a few people here who think that demons and the supernatural are very real. I don't think its wise to be close minded and imply or say that everything supernatural is fake. Anything is possible, its just that some things are highly unlikely. And I put demons and ghosts in that category until I have reason to believe otherwise.
Supernatural = 1. not existing in nature or subject to explanation according to natural laws; not physical or material
Since the Universe is bound to the physical laws and it is formed by matter and energy(which is also tied to the material), these 'things' are not 'highly unlikely', they are simply non-existent. It cannot be proven that they are fake, but that isn't relevant to a debate since they CANNOT be proven to exist either.(Reports from so-called 'witnesses' cannot be used since the human brain is easily tricked by the most basic illusions).
However, in my opinion, an even more interesting subject than the supernatural is the human brain and its psychology.
And of course there are a lot of people here who are believers, I mean , it's a supernatural discussion forum. What would you expect?
Unfortunately , there aren't enough believers who you could debate with in here. Most of them imply witnesses and testimonies as an argument and ask you to prove that something that hasn't been proved to exist exists.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/index.php (http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/index.php)
since being believers we're incapable of rising to your standards of debate...the atheists here can answer his tediously cliche questions, better than the simpletons on this site you have to suffer.
i've earned my lessons in smackdowns here too...
http://www.bondage.com/forum_id/47/forums/forum.html (http://www.bondage.com/forum_id/47/forums/forum.html)
akedia is one of my favorite atheists there.
I didn't want to point out that I don't have anyone to argue with about Christianity (I'm getting quite bored doing that actually) but rather to point out that this forum has but a few mature people willing to throw it in the ol' fashioned style debate. As soon as one 'believer post' appears, there's a thunderstorm of atheists attacking it ( me being one of them sometimes ).
I'm just saying that it would be nice to be the other way around.
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In my experience, which does not represent all theists, but most theists I've encountered seem to ignore all irrationalities with their beliefs. For example, recently, I encountered a theist who said that the universe had to start from somewhere. And I agreed with her, but I told her I didn't know the answer. She said the answer was God. So I asked her how did God begin. And she answered with "God IS", which didn't answer my question, i reworded it several times to her but her response remained the same. I live in the South, which is commonly considered the "bible belt" of the United States. The majority I encounter down here will ignore attempts at having a logical conversation and use their faith as the answer to all questions. Example: I'll say there is no evidence that the entire world was flooded and I'll get the response "Well God just hid the evidence of the flood". Unfalsifiable theories....
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i have an idea: stop attacking people who believe and get a new hobby :)
Its not their fault you heart is not there *wink*
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i have an idea: stop attacking people who believe and get a new hobby :)
Its not their fault you heart is not there *wink*
I didn't attack any believers. You simply got offended too easily because I asked for evidence and you came up empty handed.
It's not my fault you lack critical thinking skills, a skeptical mindset, and a sufficient understanding of science.
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I wasnt upset.
Yours and mine search parameters are quite different. Maybe its a cultural thing, i dunno... but it is very obvious that you hold a big anger towards believers. May I ask how old are you and for how long have you been searching for the proof? Your own personal Holy Grail? It is quite remarking, cause basically tells us that you desperately need to believe.
If you break a broken leg, it wont hurt less :)
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I hold no anger towards believers.
And what makes you think I so desperately need to believe? I'm trying to find out if this stuff is real, and so far its looking like its all fake. You also need to work on your grammatical skills too.
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i have an idea: stop attacking people who believe and get a new hobby :)
Its not their fault you heart is not there *wink*
I didn't attack any believers. You simply got offended too easily because I asked for evidence and you came up empty handed.
It's not my fault you lack critical thinking skills, a skeptical mindset, and a sufficient understanding of science.
i work a full time, high pace job having to switch from register to cooking, to cleaning and handling hundreds of dollars a day, raise an autistic fifteen year old going into high school, paying around 1500 a month for living costs, while pursuing my spiritual interests and have been doing it for over thirty years in a variety of customer service fields, i think i have the critical thinking skills down. I don't accept much of anything dogmatic dealing with faith or spirituality, do not believe men can speak for the divine and doubt those who claim they know it all and have little faith that corporatiions care about anything but money...skepticism, check. I can make metal do anything i want it to with any rock in the world, follow the evolution of man from africa, up to northern europe, how they're all related to the clovis people of the prehistoric americas and how the simplicity of art and vocal cords were able to create culture, those are just my personal interests but science if a fascinating realm and i just wish they'd spend more time under the ocean then studying worlds light years away that have no affect on our life, so science isn't a problem for me either.
Assume much?
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I hold no anger towards believers.
And what makes you think I so desperately need to believe? I'm trying to find out if this stuff is real, and so far its looking like its all fake. You also need to work on your grammatical skills too.
Everything you wrote says so.
My grammar is quite fine, but you my friend just got yourself a little time off ;) for disrespecting moderator and general negative stance towards members ;)