Dead... And Not So Dead > Near-death experiences
Buried alive to learn life's value
onishadowolf:
Live forever....., who would want to do that? It's boring, death from natural causes keeps the species in check. Not only is it bad for your sanity, but if other people die before you than you'll become a melancholy depressed asshole. Not the best social traits, just think of it. And if everyone got it, you would see and be with the same people forever....unless murdered. I'll take the sweet embrace of death any day over artificial immortality. After 800 hundred years I'll be on a tall building with a 50. Caliber sniper rifile.
P.s. Thanks Nina, couldn't remember the movie name. :d
Devious Viper:
--- Quote from: onishadowolf on December 24, 2010, 10:38:28 AM ---It's boring, death from natural causes keeps the species in check. Not only is it bad for your sanity, but if other people die before you than you'll become a melancholy depressed asshole. Not the best social traits, just think of it. And if everyone got it, you would see and be with the same people forever....unless murdered. I'll take the sweet embrace of death any day over artificial immortality. After 800 hundred years I'll be on a tall building with a 50. Caliber sniper rifile.
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Actually, even with mortality, you're only gonna see and be with the same people all of your life... But anyway, the point of immortality isn't to live forever - it is to live as long as you choose. Secondly, you immediately make an assumption that an individual's ordinary life on this earth is already enough of a problem as it is, and that infinitely more of the same would be hell. Have you seen every movie you ever wanted to see, read every book you wanted to read, learned every language you wanted to learn, visited every city you wanted to see, achieved all of your dreams, goals and ambitions..? How hard have you tried to have an impact on society, on the world, on history? Forgive me, but I doubt you're really trying. You will live a dreary mortal mayfly blink of a life and pass from this world without a ripple. If you don't have the intellect or imagination to prevent yourself from being bored today then just maybe you're not a candidate for the immortality pill. But c'mon, let's face it,
--- Quote ---...it's not the frenzied rhythm that makes it a nightmarish vision; it's the mindset. Those who demonize immortality assume we will have the same priorities and preoccupations, but that will not be the case.
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A recent article proposed
--- Quote ---As sovereign individuals, by taking contraceptives we affirm that life will not come as a random, uncontrolled force; instead, it will come only when it is consciously wanted. By researching the methods of prevention and reversal of aging, we affirm the same thing about death. Just as we are able to decide how and when we create more life, we should be able to decide how and when we die. The possibility of achieving an indefinite lifespan appears thus as a logical extension of our right to govern ourselves... We need not fear it. It will not remove our humanity. On the contrary, it will help us become more reliably who we want to be. We will be able to be fully honest to ourselves. We will no longer dread the future. We will achieve maturity as a species, no longer subject to the whims of time, but free to follow the course we desire. We need not fear it. It is the end of our gravest fears. It is the step we must take. And then, looking at the universe as an equal, we will build the life we really wish to have, given enough time.(Carlos Arturo Serrano Gomez)
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In the words of Borges, "To be immortal is commonplace; except for man, all creatures are immortal, for they are ignorant of death; what is divine, terrible, incomprehensible, is to know that one is immortal."
I was never good at being divine /wink
onishadowolf:
Hence why I said after 800 hundred years, gives me enough time to do mostly everything. Giving that choice to people isn't that great of an idea, some people are terrified of death and would never choose to end it. I would make the most of it, but given time I would become a dissociated asshole. You appreciate life and enjoy life because you know it will end unexpectedly, take that away and....well you get the idea.
chaoticpsyche:
Some thing just popped into my head with this conversation it's a quote from a book I read.
"There is an old French curse: May your fondest wish come true. If this treatment is cheap and availible to everyone, it will destroy the world with overpopulation. If it is dear and available to only the very rich, it will cause riots, wars, and breakdown the social contract. Either way it will lead directly to human misery. What is the value of a long life, when it is lived in squaler and misery?"
"...The good an wise are out numbered a thousand to one by the brutal and stupid. When you give an Einstien two centuries to perfect his science, you give a thousand others two centuries to perfect their brutality." - The Cabinet of Curiosities by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child.
Why would anyone want to live forever? it seems dull after a while, there are things that you can experience while you have a mortal body, that is exciting. Once you take away mortality it makes living life hard to do, because you would have seen and done almost everything that there is to do, it wouldn't make the first experience exciting anymore, because you would compare it to something in the past.
I'm not sure if that made any sense, if not then just discard my input, I'm pretty tired after work.
LeXtruX:
--- Quote from: chaoticpsyche on December 24, 2010, 11:29:24 PM ---Some thing just popped into my head with this conversation it's a quote from a book I read.
"There is an old French curse: May your fondest wish come true. If this treatment is cheap and availible to everyone, it will destroy the world with overpopulation. If it is dear and available to only the very rich, it will cause riots, wars, and breakdown the social contract. Either way it will lead directly to human misery. What is the value of a long life, when it is lived in squaler and misery?"
"...The good an wise are out numbered a thousand to one by the brutal and stupid. When you give an Einstien two centuries to perfect his science, you give a thousand others two centuries to perfect their brutality." - The Cabinet of Curiosities by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child.
Why would anyone want to live forever? it seems dull after a while, there are things that you can experience while you have a mortal body, that is exciting. Once you take away mortality it makes living life hard to do, because you would have seen and done almost everything that there is to do, it wouldn't make the first experience exciting anymore, because you would compare it to something in the past.
I'm not sure if that made any sense, if not then just discard my input, I'm pretty tired after work.
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ok I know this topic is old and such but I did wanted to add something: you're right by saying that it is stupid wanting to live forever, but the world constantly changes and well... there will always be a new movie, a new themepark a new sport a new dancestyle or a new whatever you want to do... there is a lot of variaty now and when living forever is possible the variaty of things will remain, although it might be lesser then it is now.
Don't get me wrong, living forever isn't as beautifull as I make it seem, but it's not as bad as you all make it seem either...
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