I agree with Jake.  I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it".  I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working.  I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost.  I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist. 

[FlamE]

I agree with Jake.  I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it".  I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working.  I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost.  I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.

Welcome to the real world.

I agree with Jake.  I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it".  I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working.  I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost.  I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.

Welcome to the real world.

I've had that same mindset.  But there are quite a few people here who think that demons and the supernatural are very real.  I don't think its wise to be close minded and imply or say that everything supernatural is fake.  Anything is possible, its just that some things are highly unlikely.  And I put demons and ghosts in that category until I have reason to believe otherwise. 

[FlamE]

I agree with Jake.  I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it".  I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working.  I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost.  I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.

Welcome to the real world.

I've had that same mindset.  But there are quite a few people here who think that demons and the supernatural are very real.  I don't think its wise to be close minded and imply or say that everything supernatural is fake.  Anything is possible, its just that some things are highly unlikely.  And I put demons and ghosts in that category until I have reason to believe otherwise. 

Supernatural = 1. not existing in nature or subject to explanation according to natural laws; not physical or material

Since the Universe is bound to the physical laws and it is formed by matter and energy(which is also tied to the material), these 'things' are not 'highly unlikely', they are simply non-existent. It cannot be proven that they are fake, but that isn't relevant to a debate since they CANNOT be proven to exist either.(Reports from so-called 'witnesses' cannot be used since the human brain is easily tricked by the most basic illusions).

However,  in my opinion, an even more interesting subject than the supernatural is the human brain and its psychology.

And of course there are a lot of people here who are believers, I mean , it's a supernatural discussion forum. What would you expect?

Unfortunately , there aren't enough believers who you could debate with in here. Most of them imply witnesses and testimonies as an argument and ask you to prove that something that hasn't been proved to exist exists.

[jordyn]

I agree with Jake.  I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it".  I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working.  I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost.  I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.

Welcome to the real world.

I've had that same mindset.  But there are quite a few people here who think that demons and the supernatural are very real.  I don't think its wise to be close minded and imply or say that everything supernatural is fake.  Anything is possible, its just that some things are highly unlikely.  And I put demons and ghosts in that category until I have reason to believe otherwise. 

Supernatural = 1. not existing in nature or subject to explanation according to natural laws; not physical or material

Since the Universe is bound to the physical laws and it is formed by matter and energy(which is also tied to the material), these 'things' are not 'highly unlikely', they are simply non-existent. It cannot be proven that they are fake, but that isn't relevant to a debate since they CANNOT be proven to exist either.(Reports from so-called 'witnesses' cannot be used since the human brain is easily tricked by the most basic illusions).

However,  in my opinion, an even more interesting subject than the supernatural is the human brain and its psychology.

And of course there are a lot of people here who are believers, I mean , it's a supernatural discussion forum. What would you expect?

Unfortunately , there aren't enough believers who you could debate with in here. Most of them imply witnesses and testimonies as an argument and ask you to prove that something that hasn't been proved to exist exists.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/index.php

since being believers we're incapable of rising to your standards of debate...the atheists here can answer his tediously cliche questions, better than the simpletons on this site you have to suffer.

i've earned my lessons in smackdowns here too...

http://www.bondage.com/forum_id/47/forums/forum.html

akedia is one of my favorite atheists there.

since being believers we're incapable of rising to your standards of debate...the atheists here can answer his tediously cliche questions, better than the simpletons on this site you have to suffer.

signed

[FlamE]

I agree with Jake.  I find it a little frustrating that most of the people here are simply saying "Don't mess with demons, you'll regret it".  I've been doing as much as I can to attract demons and provoke the supernatural, but nothing is working.  I'm like legit begging someone, please tell me how I can find a demon or ghost.  I'm willing to accept the risks, because I'm leaning towards they don't exist.

Welcome to the real world.

I've had that same mindset.  But there are quite a few people here who think that demons and the supernatural are very real.  I don't think its wise to be close minded and imply or say that everything supernatural is fake.  Anything is possible, its just that some things are highly unlikely.  And I put demons and ghosts in that category until I have reason to believe otherwise. 

Supernatural = 1. not existing in nature or subject to explanation according to natural laws; not physical or material

Since the Universe is bound to the physical laws and it is formed by matter and energy(which is also tied to the material), these 'things' are not 'highly unlikely', they are simply non-existent. It cannot be proven that they are fake, but that isn't relevant to a debate since they CANNOT be proven to exist either.(Reports from so-called 'witnesses' cannot be used since the human brain is easily tricked by the most basic illusions).

However,  in my opinion, an even more interesting subject than the supernatural is the human brain and its psychology.

And of course there are a lot of people here who are believers, I mean , it's a supernatural discussion forum. What would you expect?

Unfortunately , there aren't enough believers who you could debate with in here. Most of them imply witnesses and testimonies as an argument and ask you to prove that something that hasn't been proved to exist exists.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/index.php

since being believers we're incapable of rising to your standards of debate...the atheists here can answer his tediously cliche questions, better than the simpletons on this site you have to suffer.

i've earned my lessons in smackdowns here too...

http://www.bondage.com/forum_id/47/forums/forum.html

akedia is one of my favorite atheists there.

I didn't want to point out that I don't have anyone to argue with about Christianity (I'm getting quite bored doing that actually) but rather to point out that this forum has but a few mature people willing to throw it in the ol' fashioned style debate. As soon as one 'believer post' appears, there's a thunderstorm of atheists attacking it ( me being one of them sometimes ).

I'm just saying that it would be nice to be the other way around.

In my experience, which does not represent all theists, but most theists I've encountered seem to ignore all irrationalities with their beliefs.  For example, recently, I encountered a theist who said that the universe had to start from somewhere.  And I agreed with her, but I told her I didn't know the answer.  She said the answer was God.  So I asked her how did God begin.  And she answered with "God IS", which didn't answer my question, i reworded it several times to her but her response remained the same.  I live in the South, which is commonly considered the "bible belt" of the United States.  The majority I encounter down here will ignore attempts at having a logical conversation and use their faith as the answer to all questions.  Example: I'll say there is no evidence that the entire world was flooded and I'll get the response "Well God just hid the evidence of the flood".  Unfalsifiable theories....

i have an idea: stop attacking people who believe and get a new hobby

Its not their fault you heart is not there *wink*

i have an idea: stop attacking people who believe and get a new hobby

Its not their fault you heart is not there *wink*

I didn't attack any believers.  You simply got offended too easily because I asked for evidence and you came up empty handed.

It's not my fault you lack critical thinking skills, a skeptical mindset, and a sufficient understanding of science. 

I wasnt upset.


Yours and mine search parameters are quite different. Maybe its a cultural thing, i dunno... but it is very obvious that you hold a big anger towards believers. May I ask how old are you and for how long have you been searching for the proof? Your own personal Holy Grail?  It is quite remarking, cause basically tells us that you desperately need to believe.

If you break a broken leg, it wont hurt less

 

I hold no anger towards believers. 

And what makes you think I so desperately need to believe?  I'm trying to find out if this stuff is real, and so far its looking like its all fake.  You also need to work on your grammatical skills too. 

[jordyn]

i have an idea: stop attacking people who believe and get a new hobby

Its not their fault you heart is not there *wink*

I didn't attack any believers.  You simply got offended too easily because I asked for evidence and you came up empty handed.

It's not my fault you lack critical thinking skills, a skeptical mindset, and a sufficient understanding of science. 

i work a full time, high pace job having to switch from register to cooking, to cleaning and handling hundreds of dollars a day, raise an autistic fifteen year old going into high school, paying around 1500 a month for living costs, while pursuing my spiritual interests and have been doing it for over thirty years in a variety of customer service fields, i think i have the critical thinking skills down. I don't accept much of anything dogmatic dealing with faith or spirituality, do not believe men can speak for the divine and doubt those who claim they know it all and have little faith that corporatiions care about anything but money...skepticism, check.  I can make metal do anything i want it to with any rock in the world, follow the evolution of man from africa, up to northern europe, how they're all related to the clovis people of the prehistoric americas and how the simplicity of art and vocal cords were able to create culture, those are just my personal interests but science if a fascinating realm and i just wish they'd spend more time under the ocean then studying worlds light years away that have no affect on our life, so science isn't a problem for me either.

Assume much?

I hold no anger towards believers. 

And what makes you think I so desperately need to believe?  I'm trying to find out if this stuff is real, and so far its looking like its all fake.  You also need to work on your grammatical skills too.

Everything you wrote says so.

My grammar is quite fine, but you my friend just got yourself a little time off for disrespecting moderator and general negative stance towards members