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Apocalypse Soon => Religions, Cults & Sects => Topic started by: Nina on February 22, 2011, 03:28:33 pm

Title: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on February 22, 2011, 03:28:33 pm
I read this post today which is giving totaly wrong info.

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Angel is a term exclusively applied to the Judo-Christian mythology. However, old pagan religions make use of spirit guides, entities that exist in another realm but may intercede on our plan to help us or show the way.

Angels are boring also and there are not monstrous so it is not the place to discuss if they do exist or not.

by wikipedia:

    ~Melek~

From Arabic ملك (málak), angel < root verb لأك (lá'aka), to send as a messenger.

(definite accusative meleği, plural melekler)

angel

cherub

The names of those 4 angels are: Musa-Tevrat,Davud-Zebur, Isa-Indzil i Muhamed-Kuràn

Ring any bells?  :roll:

In Khuran, Meleks are also a very powerful beings of light and messengers.

Their existance may seem boring to you, but I asure you they dont see it that way.


Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Countess on February 22, 2011, 03:40:43 pm
One of the reasons I don't fully trust Wikipedia is that just about anyone can post anything. It's a good starting place but would never be my sole source for anything. It's very disappointing since it is so glaringly incorrect.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Muerte on February 22, 2011, 07:35:41 pm
  I wonder if the Angels Michael, Gabriel, Sammael (all of whom have served as the Lords Angel of Death) would like being seen as nothing more than sweet faced Cherubs?  Entities that posses the ability to cause death on such scales (and in such short periods of time) are things I most definitely consider worthy of the term Monstrous.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on February 23, 2011, 05:13:22 am
 :-o NOT MONSTROUS ?!! BORING ?!!!  :x  :x

whoever wrote that is an ignorant dumb ass, Dude angels aren't little chubby babies with hair and white feathered wings
Like God, they're not all about peace and love, they're intimidating as hell and would raise hell if its God's will
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Countess on February 23, 2011, 10:50:35 am
I have to agree. While I am not Christian I would still not want to get on the bad side of any of the archangels Muerte mentioned. The idea that anyone who knows anything about these beings could believe they are cute little Cupid looking entities is absurd. Simply look to the images of Michel from the middle ages, covered in blood & filth from battle wearing an armour chest plate, carrying an enormous sword to disprove that image of angels.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on February 24, 2011, 07:56:47 am
They say ignorance is bliss..... well whoever that quote was from must be the happiest farker alive! And what the hell is a judo christian? Is that like a Shoulin monk?
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Raziel on February 24, 2011, 08:42:08 am
I heard somewhere that they were depicted as that to show their perfection. Y know like children are nice and so innocent to look at. Sinless. Calming. perfect


And then they nuke your Gomorrah . Bastards.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on February 24, 2011, 11:55:23 am
Lmao Razz, yeah, thats not a bad comparison ;)
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on February 24, 2011, 06:33:25 pm
And also in the bible, there are some stories where they sound a bit.. uh well MONSTROUS and merciless.

And children aren't nice and innocent, there is something called the terrible twos and spoiled brats lol yes i would know because i had to babysit my cousins A LOT and 13 or so kids by myself  :laugh:

Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on February 28, 2011, 07:08:21 am
13 kids at the same time? That just might be the scairiest thing Ive ever heard of.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on February 28, 2011, 09:45:14 am
yeap or more but a lot of kids,a lot were toddlers and the oldest was 10 or 11. lol well i love kids just not my cousins most of the times
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on February 28, 2011, 10:01:51 am
Lets get it back to angels, did anyone ever seen one or thought they saw one? If yes, in what circumstances of life and what did they appear like to you?
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on February 28, 2011, 04:46:16 pm
My Aunt says that on the night her grandaughter was born her late Mother came to her in a dream holding the baby for her to see. She smiled and said only one word.... "Look".... She says it was an angel...
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on February 28, 2011, 07:18:27 pm
yes i have seen them a couple times, they're majestic, graceful, and intimidating as hell

when i was i think a preteen, my grandmother and her friend were saying a rosary and i was there. My grandmother has one of the most purest hearts of gold, she has experienced many miracles in which are hard to explain (but i don't remember what they are exactly) because of how much of a good person of God that she is. My grandmother has actually seen the Virgin Mary and experienced the emotions and all that go through it. Well that night in which she and the friend were saying a rosary i saw angels that surrounded the room and the Virgin Mary like my grandmother described it. They actually gave me goosebumps and made me want to pee in my pants out of fear because they looked so.. i mean they looked like good guys that are nice and about peace but would kill in a second or get violent if it was God's will. i saw where Mary was going in the room and what she was doing, what stood out to me was that Mary had her hand over the friend as she had her head lowered in prayer. When that happened the friend was crying and drew in and out a deep breath in complete bliss.  After the prayer, the friend was crying tears of joy about how she felt that there was something telling her things would be okay and that she felt complete warmth and love and that also she felt a warm touch on her head. After she was done, i told her and my grandmother that i saw Mary putting her hand on her head. And another moment that i remember is that before the prayer started, my grandmother wanted to sit next to me but i frantically got her away from that spot because that's where Mary was sitting.  then my grandmother was just getting a bit hysterical basically screaming "she is experiencing the Virgin Mary  :-o !! "I know what i exprienced that night wasn't hallucinations or my imagination because before Mary and the angels' presense i was kind of zoned out and most likely thinking of food and then the friend experienced what i was seeing. Unfortunately, i've experienced and dealt with the bad side of the supernatural and not mostly good like my grandmother but hey at least i know of both by experience :-D
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on February 28, 2011, 09:22:06 pm
^sounds intense. So you actually saw a physical manifestation?
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on March 01, 2011, 03:19:52 pm
yeap it was, just thinking about it gives me goosebumps
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on March 01, 2011, 06:34:11 pm
I kind of find it hard to believe they were actually angels. I mean, I could have sworn there had been a previous discussion in which it was noted that angels would most likey not appear for trivial things. And, I don't mean offense to anyone religious or spiritual, but a prayer is not something big compared to everything else that happens in this world. Or the next. And I would have to point out that I think the point was made that angels are in fact MONSTROUS material, especially since Muerte named those which have carried the title of Angel of Death. Maybe its just me, but sounds like something MONSTROUS worthy.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on March 02, 2011, 09:25:23 am
ok but how do we know what makes an angel appear ? we can't firmly say that because we're not one of them and don't know they're reasoning and exactly what goes on with them. And yes they are monstrous material but that doesn't dominate who they choose to appear to, its like sayng demons are evil and only want to give humans a living hell. We can't say that because 1) we don't know what goes on with their mind and 2) they've got better things to do than completely spend their time on giving humans hell because they're more powerful than us and think they're better than us and plus not all demons give humans hell. And i believe good things come to good people. My grandmother and i have good hearts, we always do whats right no matter what so i wouldn't be surprised that the angels appeared to us because we're good in heart. And plus what the friend was going through and what she was praying about may be trivial to you and someone else and a whole mass of people but it wasn't to her and it wouldn't be to Mary. And i remember that in the Bible there are stories in which angels do appear to trivial people.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on March 02, 2011, 10:59:44 am
Right - okay, I believe you saw something, but I am hesitant to agree in that it was an angel. Definitely a benevolent spirit. I'm not confirming nor denying that you believe in what you saw. :)

But to address the questions you've brought up... what makes angels appear? I'd say extreme, extreme situations. As you said (re: Demons): " they've got better things to do than completely spend their time on giving humans hell because they're more powerful than us and think they're better than us and plus not all demons give humans hell."

Yes, this is true for demons. But are angels any different, only in that they've got better things to do than completely spend their time on every human, period? Yes, it is "God's commandment" that they serve humans, and so when they can, and when it is absolutely necessary, they will. But the role of angels is so much bigger. I personally believe that it is EITHER in times of extremity - and by this, I mean in terms of persons who are either extremely important or are doing important service - or, perhaps, for those who hold extreme faith in angels, that angels themselves will appear.

I'm not saying this is always the case, but it is certainly a theory, and only that.

Feel free to comment :)
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on March 02, 2011, 08:02:06 pm
I understand what the bible says, but there is nodefinitye way to prove that any of those stories really happened the way they were described. You also went against yourself in asking how do we know what makes an angel appear. And in other postings I have said that I don't believe all demons are evil. The truth is, we don't actually know what angels look like. So how could you identify something you saw as an angel?
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on March 02, 2011, 10:31:46 pm
First of, I think when they say physical manifestation, they hardly mean of flesh and bones, it means it has shown itself in this world. True, if one of mighty warriors of God would show itself to a human being, Im pretty damn sure that wouldnt be for trivial matters, the only missing puzzle here is how can one human know what is really important to Gods plan?

And we might know how they look, many places in Bible describe them pretty well. Im not that of a geek still to go and search the verses  :lol:

FYI, ALL demons are evil. Period.

Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on March 03, 2011, 07:19:25 am
Right - okay, I believe you saw something, but I am hesitant to agree in that it was an angel. Definitely a benevolent spirit. I'm not confirming nor denying that you believe in what you saw. :)

But to address the questions you've brought up... what makes angels appear? I'd say extreme, extreme situations. As you said (re: Demons): " they've got better things to do than completely spend their time on giving humans hell because they're more powerful than us and think they're better than us and plus not all demons give humans hell."

Yes, this is true for demons. But are angels any different, only in that they've got better things to do than completely spend their time on every human, period? Yes, it is "God's commandment" that they serve humans, and so when they can, and when it is absolutely necessary, they will. But the role of angels is so much bigger. I personally believe that it is EITHER in times of extremity - and by this, I mean in terms of persons who are either extremely important or are doing important service - or, perhaps, for those who hold extreme faith in angels, that angels themselves will appear.

I'm not saying this is always the case, but it is certainly a theory, and only that.

Feel free to comment :)

lol well yes, everyone well thing is different from one another and yes angels are meant for big things and its a good theory

No human knows  God's plan and its not like every single thing that they do that involves humans is a big thing thing, sometimes it can be trivial but rarely
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Muerte on March 03, 2011, 08:42:10 am
  Small details (say the birth of a child or the one kind act offered to a stranger) is most times just as important as the Big Picture (A Global War or a mass catastrophe).  The importance will not be known until it has past so one must never disregard what one would normally assume to be a simple mundane matter.  Doing so is simple human arrogance.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on March 03, 2011, 09:21:03 am
  Small details (say the birth of a child or the one kind act offered to a stranger) is most times just as important as the Big Picture (A Global War or a mass catastrophe).  The importance will not be known until it has past so one must never disregard what one would normally assume to be a simple mundane matter.  Doing so is simple human arrogance.

finally someone gets it. Yes it may seem trivial that the angels appeared to me and was there while Mary was doing her thing with the friend but it wasn't to the friend because she needed that and it kind of helped me see the real truth of what Mary and the angels were like. Or maybe it'll help me later on but don't know when and with what. And maybe with that experience the friend will help out someone else and it'll just be like a domino affect so just MAYBE it'll turn out to be a "Big Picture."
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on March 03, 2011, 10:03:27 am
  Small details (say the birth of a child or the one kind act offered to a stranger) is most times just as important as the Big Picture (A Global War or a mass catastrophe).  The importance will not be known until it has past so one must never disregard what one would normally assume to be a simple mundane matter.  Doing so is simple human arrogance.

Oh, of course, which is why I didn't try to deny or confirm her view of what happened (not that I can, because I wasn't there, of course).  :mrgreen:

As I've said, it's hard to tell what happened; I'm not saying that what she went through wasn't true - I was just answering the question that she had posed about "what generally occurs," or rather, my opinion of what might generally occur.

I'm just rambling, aren't I...
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Muerte on March 03, 2011, 10:45:00 am
  Rambling is simply a form of verbally working a mental puzzle.  Ramble away and you will soon come to a conclusion.  (Whether or not most conclusions reached are correct is a matter of opinion, but it is necessary when endeavoring to uncover the end results.)

  I myself ramble quite often, a fact which drives both my wife and son to distraction.  And more than often earns me a "Will you please shut the hell up?" response.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on March 03, 2011, 01:49:48 pm
Haha, then you and I are one in the same in those aspects. I ramble so often it's maddening, but it helps me understand that which I am thinking about to a better degree.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on March 03, 2011, 03:37:13 pm
I still have to say that there is no way of knowing that they were angels. There are far too many things out there, and like the creatures of the ocean, I doubt there are records of each one. You can sit there and argue that they were angels, and I'll sit here and argue they most likely were not. I'm not saying you didn't see something, but I will continue to say that I highly doubt they were angels. Even if they appeared as what angels are seen to be, is there not the possibility that there are other "things" that can hold a similar appearance? Even if these things looked you in the eye and said that they were angels, does not make them angels. Even if an angelic, somewhat heavenly feeling came over you it does not mean they were angels. One can not even say for sure that they were there for anything good. The appearance or "feeling" one gets from something does not determine its intentions or alignment. And no matter how you see yourself, the "things" out there will see us differently. Just like a person forms their own opinion about a person, I imagine these "things" do too. You may see yourself as "pure of heart" , but that doesn't mean that thats how everything else views you. I don't mean offense by this, I mean I can't say you're "pure of heart" or not. But I can confidently say that anything with a mind will form its own opinion.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on March 03, 2011, 03:58:09 pm
Oh, i think you would know what you looking at if you saw an angel. But true, mind manipulation can do simmilar effects. Although, Im not sure what would anyone have of mindcontroling CM... she aint no big deal politician or a media mogul (unless shes covering up  :-D )

I get same response from UFO sceptics, and their best argument is: WE NEVER SAW ONE! Well, news flash, there are thousands and thousands that did, so are they all mistaking, or is it maybe hard for sceptics to accept stuff?
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on March 03, 2011, 04:14:09 pm
To be honest Nina, I'd compare what I'm saying about to angels to someone claiming that the UFO they saw was from a specific planet. I'm not saying nothing was seen, I'm just saying that seeing it doesn't mean you know specifics about it. But who said anything about mind manipulation? The feeling a person gets from something doesn't define it. And to say its an angel I dont think would require mind manipulation, just a simple lie. Its hard to interpret what kind of feeling something gives off. To know for sure, you'd have to set up some sort of experiment. And of course you'd need a control. As to how it would be done, who knows? In the end, all we can do is assume. But I'd rather just say "I don't what it was, I just know what it looked like to me." Which, oddly enough, I don't believe would require mind manipulation either. We don't know that we are seeing something in its true form.

By the way, I'm not a skeptic. But I also am not going to pretend that I can identify something just by seeing it. I've had my own experiences, and I am open to possibilities, but I also will allow myself to form my own opinions. Which, in this case, is that I don't believe what she saw were angels.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on March 03, 2011, 06:15:35 pm
Im not saying I really believe what she saw was an angel either, honestly, i really tend to be highly skeptical of anyone claiming to see Christian saints or Mary or Jesus or any other. I was the one to come up with mind manipulation, cause there are many theories about those who see characters from the Bible. But i didnt start this thread cause of Bible discussion, there are other places for that. What interests me, are angels, being what they are. And I didnt ask if anyone ever saw one for nothing either. Once i saw something that i cant describe with other word than angel. Maybe it wasnt one, but for all i know about them and others, it certainly looked and felt like one. And Im not a church going type, so why would it present itself as one if it wasnt one? Im looking for answers too...
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on March 03, 2011, 07:26:24 pm
Perhaps presenting itself as something you would trust? Anyways  :focus:
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on March 04, 2011, 03:58:44 am
Could be, but other entities i saw didnt, so why this one, and why in that very particular time of my life? *shrugs*
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on March 04, 2011, 05:55:03 am
  Small details (say the birth of a child or the one kind act offered to a stranger) is most times just as important as the Big Picture (A Global War or a mass catastrophe).  The importance will not be known until it has past so one must never disregard what one would normally assume to be a simple mundane matter.  Doing so is simple human arrogance.

Oh, of course, which is why I didn't try to deny or confirm her view of what happened (not that I can, because I wasn't there, of course).  :mrgreen:

As I've said, it's hard to tell what happened; I'm not saying that what she went through wasn't true - I was just answering the question that she had posed about "what generally occurs," or rather, my opinion of what might generally occur.

I'm just rambling, aren't I...

lol but rambling is good.. or not  :spy:

well then why did whoever (i say whoever because i forgot who asked) ask if anyone saw angels just to say they didn't because they imagined it and other reasons ? 
funny thing is i'm not really a religious person. well y'all can deny what i saw because i don't care (a shared a memory and y'all basically bashed it) because y'all weren't there so can't judge.

if i didn't think they were angels but seemed like them i would've said something like "not sure what it/they were but had an angelic quality or vibe" i'm not stupid or ignorant to just say i saw an angel if it just looked like it or just couldn't describe it in that way or just didn't know what the hell it was and just guessed it.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on March 04, 2011, 08:03:32 am
Well, likely because it's good to approach every situation with a fair amount of skepticism. To be honest, it's harder to learn effectively unless a fair amount of skepticism is applied.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on March 04, 2011, 09:38:15 am
Well, likely because it's good to approach every situation with a fair amount of skepticism. To be honest, it's harder to learn effectively unless a fair amount of skepticism is applied.

eh i guess but i won't share anymore experiences here anymore since  i got more than a fair amount of skepticism
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on March 04, 2011, 01:03:11 pm
Isnt that what makes life interesting though Nina? Not knowing why or how things happen, being forced to attempt to draw some conclusion from it. But in the end, we rely on our own opinions or the opinions of others. I think the only way you could ever know what you're dealing with is to find some way to study it. Not in books or anything, but actually study it like we would with a new type of animal. And even then, I don't think anyone could come to a definite conclusion. Simply theories or beliefs that they feel confident in, and close their minds to the rest of the worlds opinions until some proof can be derived.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on March 04, 2011, 03:46:40 pm
Well, likely because it's good to approach every situation with a fair amount of skepticism. To be honest, it's harder to learn effectively unless a fair amount of skepticism is applied.

eh i guess but i won't share anymore experiences here anymore since  i got more than a fair amount of skepticism

Yeah. I speak for my posts alone when I say that you were responded with a fair amount of skepticism. :)
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on March 04, 2011, 04:21:08 pm
Well, likely because it's good to approach every situation with a fair amount of skepticism. To be honest, it's harder to learn effectively unless a fair amount of skepticism is applied.

eh i guess but i won't share anymore experiences here anymore since  i got more than a fair amount of skepticism

 Hun, please dont skepticism stop you from being open and share. True, Im a bit skeptical about virgin Mary and such, but close members of my family had seen some too, from Jesus to whatever the name is of that shepherd saint (my sunday class was looong ago). As you can also see, i shared my experience as well. Didnt look like those angels you can see on church walls, more like creature made of colors and light. Dont let skeptics (in this case me as well, but wasnt ment as an insult or disbelief) make you a closed and scared person, its beautiful and brave that you shared it with us all, specially on a forum as Monstrous is.

My angel looked something like this, only without crown and clothes, but colors describe it pretty well :)


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-AhBUAN9u4c/SwHHvdifBqI/AAAAAAAAALA/ctBVM0andQ0/s400/LEMURIAN_ANGEL+by++Zablon+Erguth-Alfredo+Zavala.jpg)
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on March 04, 2011, 06:41:07 pm
Everything should be approached with skeptism, and sorry if people here take it offensively. But where would people be if they never questioned anothers opinion? So if anyone wants to take skeptism personally, then do so. But then don't turn around and denounce other people's stories because you don't believe. Thats called hypocrisy.

Modified: Sorry Ladygriffin, but I thought the previous one was maybe a little more hostile. The "revised" one I think gets my point across, without attacking individuals but rather a category of people.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: oldbill4823 on March 05, 2011, 06:15:22 am
I just want to say i think this thread is fantastic. One of the most honest and mature threads i have ever seen here.

CM please dont stop posting about your experiences. Any of us here can disagree about conclusions and descriptions of experiences but NO ONE can ever take away the fact that we have experienced what we do.

This is for me the whole point of Monstrous as a forum, sharing our experiences of strange stuff, and learning from each other about them through comparison, questioning, discussion and reflection.

Nearly time for a group hug heh? Or maybe the thread is mysteriously being watched over by harmonius angels and we are just feeling the effect.
What is sure is that the universe is stranger than we know.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on March 05, 2011, 03:19:01 pm
Group huuuuug!!!!  :-D

Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on March 06, 2011, 12:23:35 pm
Well, likely because it's good to approach every situation with a fair amount of skepticism. To be honest, it's harder to learn effectively unless a fair amount of skepticism is applied.

eh i guess but i won't share anymore experiences here anymore since  i got more than a fair amount of skepticism

Yeah. I speak for my posts alone when I say that you were responded with a fair amount of skepticism. :)
:laugh: look again


ah ok well i guess i'll keep sharing, and i won't take it offensively next time,  :-D
Everything should be approached with skeptism, and sorry if people here take it offensively. But where would people be if they never questioned anothers opinion? So if anyone wants to take skeptism personally, then do so. But then don't turn around and denounce other people's stories because you don't believe. Thats called hypocrisy.

Modified: Sorry Ladygriffin, but I thought the previous one was maybe a little more hostile. The "revised" one I think gets my point across, without attacking individuals but rather a category of people.
lol true, well then ideas and such wouldn't evolve and we wouldn't have the knowledge that molded our scientific and technological world

I just want to say i think this thread is fantastic. One of the most honest and mature threads i have ever seen here.

CM please dont stop posting about your experiences. Any of us here can disagree about conclusions and descriptions of experiences but NO ONE can ever take away the fact that we have experienced what we do.

This is for me the whole point of Monstrous as a forum, sharing our experiences of strange stuff, and learning from each other about them through comparison, questioning, discussion and reflection.

Nearly time for a group hug heh? Or maybe the thread is mysteriously being watched over by harmonius angels and we are just feeling the effect.
What is sure is that the universe is stranger than we know.

Group huuuuug!!!!  :-D



 :-o wow i'm shocked y'all said those exact words.. group hug  :-o
sure X)

Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Muerte on March 07, 2011, 01:20:18 pm
  Not the hugging type, but I will give a nod of approval.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on March 07, 2011, 03:10:33 pm
How bout a spank of aproval? Bend over.lol. That maturaty Odd Bill spoke of just blew out the window didnt it. :-D
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on March 07, 2011, 05:25:26 pm
  Not the hugging type, but I will give a nod of approval.

 :laugh: that's what you want them to believe  :laugh:

How bout a spank of aproval? Bend over.lol. That maturaty Odd Bill spoke of just blew out the window didnt it. :-D

 :laugh: instantly for you  :laugh: or how about you bend over pretty boy  :-P...  *<:)  :laugh:
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on March 07, 2011, 06:21:22 pm
Ten more minutes and three more beers and you just might be able to talk me into it...*hicup* eeer not...maybe i'll just settle 4 tha hug :-D
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on March 08, 2011, 05:16:42 am
 :laugh: wow so you're that easy when you're drunk ? na i'd get you to chug 6 more beers first :-D
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: rave phillaphia on April 10, 2011, 07:41:41 pm
Can I just yell at this thread? I don't even know where to start about Angels and their development in history... Angelology is my field and sometimes I just wonder why people start with wiki as their primary source on angels. I have a homework assignment for all of you.

Go to the Encyclopedia of Religion or the Dictionary of Religion (Brill or HarperCollins) and start there.
http://libguides.wooster.edu/content.php?pid=98726&sid=740769 (http://libguides.wooster.edu/content.php?pid=98726&sid=740769)
here is a link to some of these sources if you need to see what it looks like. If you can't find it online go to your local library they should have it or to your local university because they will have it.

When you are researching about angels you have to figure out what your wanting to look at (overall historical developments, specific cultures, etc.) because it you don't it's such a huge topic that you will never get to the right place. People publish stuff on angels all of the time but you have to be careful because they are mainly devotional and religious pieces, not religious study pieces. An academic approach will get you much farther than where this is going.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 11, 2011, 01:12:12 am
This is exactly why i started this thread in the first place ;)
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 11, 2011, 06:21:10 pm
I don't know, I mean literature will only get a person so far. And no matter what you read, it not only comes from a person/s perspective but is also not necessarily as "informative" as people think. I mean why should I trust what someone wrote? How do I know what they speak of really was an "angel"? Just too unreliable for my tastes.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 11, 2011, 10:30:21 pm
Well, thats why u dont read just one source on the matter ur researching ;)
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: onepiece on April 12, 2011, 07:26:20 am
I read this post today which is giving totaly wrong info.


by wikipedia:

    ~Melek~

From Arabic ملك (málak), angel < root verb لأك (lá'aka), to send as a messenger.

(definite accusative meleği, plural melekler)


angel

cherub

The names of those 4 angels are: Musa-Tevrat,Davud-Zebur, Isa-Indzil i Muhamed-Kuràn

Ring any bells?  :roll:

In Khuran, Meleks are also a very powerful beings of light and messengers.

Their existance may seem boring to you, but I asure you they dont see it that way.




just wanted to say that those names of the four angels are totally wrong......they aren't even angels

they are the very known prophets Musa-Tevrat - this is Moses and god gave unto the people the Torah (jewish bible or some part of it) through him

Davud-Zebur - this is David (not really sure about him but i think he is also considered as a prophet)

Isa-Indzil - this is Jesus (Isa>Isus>Jesus) indzil or injil is the bible or only the old testament im not sure (injil is meant to mean angel i think - the book of angels)

and Muhamed-Kuràn - as you know who he is, he is considered the last prophet who God gave th Kuran through the angel Gabriel to him

in Islam Musa-Moses, Isa-Jesus and Mohamed are considered as those who saved mankind by revealing the only truth that there is only one God who rules everything.    the three holy books have more in common than you think (they also have the same story, beginning from Adam and Eve and so on)

(dont blame Islam for those muslims who misunderstood it from the beginning and yell to not drink alcohol and not eat pig meat thats theyr folklore not religion)

and just as info the main meleks - angels you meant to say are gibrail -Gabriel, Mihail - Michael, Israfil -(i think this is Raphael) and Azrail (the angel of death)  (and not to forget Iblis - Lucifer ....the fallen one)

they'r all the same

Any questions?

And Nina.....just for curiosity what religion are you....(don't answer if you don't want to)....
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on April 12, 2011, 10:10:03 am
@ Vicious, my friend some times I find it uncany how much your thoughts remind me of my own. You question everything. I cant begin to stress how important that is when dealing with the unknown. There are a great many litterary works on various subjects we seak the true answers to. And there is a good chance that some of those works are absolute crap. In my opinion we should study them all open minded then form our own thoughts. Some things will show up time and time again, those are things worth taking a closer look into and they are plentiful. Demons and angels exist, but to catalog them...label them...make them fit in well stacked piles may prove imposible. We must take the writings we have along with our own experiances and those of others we trust and find the truth for ourselves.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 12, 2011, 11:18:44 am
So basically find the pattern? Find the common observations, things that come up frequently, and that is most likely an actual observation. That I can understand, my only problem is how do we know for sure that these observations were made of "angels"? I mean through my own observations it has become obvious that the supernatural/paranormal world consists of beings that can (in some ways) be classified just as some creatures are. For example, the fact that the supernatural/paranormal world has its own "parasites". So it makes me think that maybe, just maybe, there are beings that mimic other beings. Just like there are animals and insects that mimic others. And if that is the case, then whos to say when one has encountered an actual "angel" or merely a being that mimics an "angel" in some ways? As far as I know (which does mean I could be wrong) there is no way of knowingly getting the truth out of anything other than dissection, and I don't think anyone has dissected an "angel" yet.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: onepiece on April 12, 2011, 11:35:23 am
As far as I know (which does mean I could be wrong) there is no way of knowingly getting the truth out of anything other than dissection, and I don't think anyone has dissected an "angel" yet.

if you try to dissect an angel you'll find your guts dripping off the ceiling........... :-D
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 12, 2011, 01:34:10 pm
I know things shouldn't be taken so far into thought, but I can't help it. I mean just cause it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it could still be a guy in a duck costume. I mean don't get mewrong, it probaly isn't. Still, I will read what I come across and make the connection between the similarities. I just don't want to sit there and say "this is an angel", I'd rather say "this is something that, while it may or may not be an angel, it is still something". And as for the dissection, the word simply mean "a detailed, part-by-part analysis". So its not necessarily a physical dissection, with a scalpel and all that.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 12, 2011, 02:37:20 pm

just wanted to say that those names of the four angels are totally wrong......they aren't even angels

they are the very known prophets Musa-Tevrat - this is Moses and god gave unto the people the Torah (jewish bible or some part of it) through him

Davud-Zebur - this is David (not really sure about him but i think he is also considered as a prophet)

Isa-Indzil - this is Jesus (Isa>Isus>Jesus) indzil or injil is the bible or only the old testament im not sure (injil is meant to mean angel i think - the book of angels)

and Muhamed-Kuràn - as you know who he is, he is considered the last prophet who God gave th Kuran through the angel Gabriel to him

in Islam Musa-Moses, Isa-Jesus and Mohamed are considered as those who saved mankind by revealing the only truth that there is only one God who rules everything.    the three holy books have more in common than you think (they also have the same story, beginning from Adam and Eve and so on)

(dont blame Islam for those muslims who misunderstood it from the beginning and yell to not drink alcohol and not eat pig meat thats theyr folklore not religion)

and just as info the main meleks - angels you meant to say are gibrail -Gabriel, Mihail - Michael, Israfil -(i think this is Raphael) and Azrail (the angel of death)  (and not to forget Iblis - Lucifer ....the fallen one)

they'r all the same



Yeah, agree with u that that info is wrong to a point, but they were all prophets in their way, messengers of God, and its a bit debatable area if u reconsider the meaning of the word melek.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on April 12, 2011, 05:02:36 pm
Yeah... but what I mean is.....

If you've got 15 to 20 ducks, and one of them strikes you as slightly odd compared to the others - then it's time to consider if that one duck is in fact a guy in a duck costume. But as long as you only have that one duck, then you've got nothing to compare it with. You've got no real way to say if it's a guy in a duck costume, or if it's a real duck, no matter how long you ponder it.

You lost me at "duck."

LOL, just kidding. But that's definitely a good point to keep in mind.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on April 12, 2011, 06:11:04 pm
Reminds me of a dirty joke.....we nead an adult only dirty joke board  :-D
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 12, 2011, 09:28:49 pm
But what if you don't know what a duck looks like to begin with? Granted, you would still be able to classify traits and such to certain types of duck-looking creatures. But you would not be able to call anything by name. I don't know, I mean I guess in the end what we see as "angels" may have to change depending on what the closest match is after careful observations. I don't know, I mean its sort of like how people decided to name a certain amphibian a frog. In the end these are simply names that we may or may not have bestowed upon beings that we do not fully understand, of course that too would just throw into question how much about "angels" is true and how much is false. I don't mean just in traits, but the stories that defined to people what an "angel" is. As to whether, after its all said and done, they are anywhere near the typeof beings we envision them to be. But thats for another time, because I'm sure all my questioning is getting rather annoying.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: onepiece on April 13, 2011, 08:56:59 am
Yeah, agree with u that that info is wrong to a point, but they were all prophets in their way, messengers of God, and its a bit debatable area if u reconsider the meaning of the word melek.

what interesting is that.....i was told that there are good meleks and bad meleks........by meaning good and bad angels......but as to bad meleks meaning demons...
so i would consider the word melek has more than just one meaning......maybe it is referring to supernatural beings....but mostly understood as angels



Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 13, 2011, 11:04:27 am
Melek is melek, an angel, whether its a light one or a fallen one. Demons in islam would best be described as djinn, they are of lower level. But they can also be separated on good ones and bad ones.



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Together, jinn, humans and angels make up the three sentient creations of Allah. According to the Qur’ān, there are two creations that have free will, humans and djinn. Like human beings, the jinn can also be good, evil, or neutrally benevolent.
The jinn are mentioned frequently in the Qur’an, and there is a surah entitled Sūrat al-Jinn in the Quran.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on April 13, 2011, 11:47:57 am
The word melek does have more than one meening and more than one spelling.  And I liked the duck compairason. LG had all her ducks in a row on that one. :-D   
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: onepiece on April 13, 2011, 12:56:38 pm
Melek is melek, an angel, whether its a light one or a fallen one. Demons in islam would best be described as djinn, they are of lower level. But they can also be separated on good ones and bad ones.



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Together, jinn, humans and angels make up the three sentient creations of Allah. According to the Qur’ān, there are two creations that have free will, humans and djinn. Like human beings, the jinn can also be good, evil, or neutrally benevolent.
The jinn are mentioned frequently in the Qur’an, and there is a surah entitled Sūrat al-Jinn in the Quran.


and also angels made of the ever lasting fire have free will....but i wouldn't take the Qur'an very literally because it has symbolic meaning (if you get what i mean).....and the creation of the angels sounded very paradoxical when i first read it ....although for the djin......they really like to possess people :lol: (i think ill make that a topic)

and also duck feet rock
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 13, 2011, 10:42:24 pm
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but i wouldn't take the Qur'an very literally because it has symbolic meaning

So does Bible, whats ur point?
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on April 13, 2011, 10:56:00 pm
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but i wouldn't take the Qur'an very literally because it has symbolic meaning

So does Bible, whats ur point?

Exactly. Most religious texts aren't to be taken 100% literally in most aspects. No point in singling out the Qu'ran.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: onepiece on April 14, 2011, 02:54:40 pm
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but i wouldn't take the Qur'an very literally because it has symbolic meaning

So does Bible, whats ur point?


my point is that every religious text is a riddle in its own...if those who don't understand it explain it to someone else who doesn't understand it....than they take it literally and end up just like those who say "Hey if i kill someone who doesn't believe in god, does it mean i get 72 virgins" %*) 


Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 14, 2011, 05:16:43 pm
Sort of like someone explaining whether an exorcism of another's religion would work without understanding said religion or exorcism, right? I'm sorry for being rude, but if you're going to preach something, then please follow it yourself first. I might be the only one, I might not be, but I find it annoying.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 15, 2011, 02:13:29 am
@onepiece: so, your saying that you dont understand religious texts of any kind?
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: onepiece on April 15, 2011, 05:46:07 am
@onepiece: so, your saying that you dont understand religious texts of any kind?
no.........why is it so hard to understand me?.......no i meant that i think they are usually misunderstood, that all and the other part was a joke

Sort of like someone explaining whether an exorcism of another's religion would work without understanding said religion or exorcism, right? I'm sorry for being rude, but if you're going to preach something, then please follow it yourself first. I might be the only one, I might not be, but I find it annoying.

i actually follow my own belief..(i do believe in god)....just not in any religious way


and i apologize for my expression of things.........English is not even my first language(its my third)
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 15, 2011, 09:11:15 am
Like I said, I'm sorry for being rude, I have just seen countless people that preach but fail to follow. And as for following your belief but not in a religious way, as long as you follow it faithfully then you are doing it in what can be described as a religious way. Which, by that logic, means I follow my beliefs (which do not include any sort of "God") religiously as well.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on April 18, 2011, 05:51:25 am
Who Dose understand religion really? We try to incorperate things writen ages ago into our modern lives and then get confused because things dont quiet make since.....were like a bunch of retarded dogs chasing our own damned tail. Sory, I'm in one of those moods again.lol.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 18, 2011, 08:00:09 am
And in ur mood ur soo right, thats exactly what the main issue with this planet is, everyone barking at everyone in name of religions, which they really dont understand at all. Its been all about (miss)interpretation since humanity remembers...
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on April 25, 2011, 06:09:53 am
well then to end the confusion, wouldn't it be easier to just follow the basics of the religion in a way that can be interpreted in one's life ?
for example, i'm sort of catholic but not really  because i believe in the main beliefs that there is that one God and his entities and devil and his entities. But i seriously don't see the need in going to all the required masses, praying, doing all the other required stuff, and not really following all the rules.

The whole idea of christianity is to have faith in and love God and basically be a good person with the good intentions (i know that's vague but meant it in that way, as in care for others, don't be selfish, be honest so basically practice all the good morals and stuff that hardly any of the youth even knows about  :laugh:)
as long as i follow that i know i'll be fine 
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 27, 2011, 08:36:00 am
Thats exactly why christianity and catholicism are separate things. I know a lot of catholics that are biding to the rules of the institution, and then a lot of people that dont call themselves catholics, but are more christian then most that go to church on every sunday. Its all the matter of personal choice i guess. Id rather stay out of house blessing list, then out of faith i carry in me (with all the doubts and questioning).
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 27, 2011, 11:25:38 am
Its a nice thought but I don't think it will end the confusion. People have tried to preach such things before, the problem is getting everyone to take to the idea. Plus, if one tried to enforce the concept on to everyone else, then that person would fall into the same category as religious nuts. And as for the youth not knowing about, I will agree there are more "bad" people in this world than "good", but I myself have either influenced or been influenced by the people I keep around me. And we each have set our own morals that we follow, passing it on to some of the younger generation. None of us are religious types, because in all honesty I don't like to use religion as a base for moral ground because of the fact that there are too many ways to interpret any religious writings.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 27, 2011, 11:50:12 am
No one said u gotta base ur moral on religion.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 27, 2011, 02:25:08 pm
I know, its just what most people do. And it annoys me becaus, to me atleast, it seems like they act nice because they either fear judgemnt of some "God" or seek reward for their acts.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 27, 2011, 03:06:38 pm
Well, i can understand how growing up in certain religion, even if u grew out of it, it still stays in your ways more or less, like anything else u learned from ur elders.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on April 27, 2011, 06:01:48 pm
I mean no offense by this post, but I think for some people it isn't growing up in a faith; it's a matter of hiding behind one.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 27, 2011, 07:08:34 pm
Now that I agree with 100% Brielle. And worst part is, it isn't the only thing people hide behind.

Nina, you are right on that. I mean, whether we admit or not, what we grew up around does affect us as the years go on. Whether we grow away from it or not, it still holdssome affect on your current life. What I just mean is, well, let me put it this way. I'd rather have the world in utter chaoswith people showing their true colors, than everyone acting nice simply because they fear a "God" or seek some sort of reward. I know its corny and stupid for it to matter, but to me it does matter not just what a person does, but why they do what they do.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 27, 2011, 07:35:31 pm
@AWBrielle: people will chose anything they feel comfortable with (more or less) to hide. Same like victims of abductions hide behind the simpathy for the one that abducted them i guess. Hide ur true face and it wont get hurt. Some will hide behind religion, some behind military serve, some behind inventing some fantasy creatures that are grose to "regular" people, some behind getting hurt or hurting someone else... this world is seriously fd, no one can deny that. And to survive in it, people adapt in many different ways, depending on their character/culture/religion. Being true these days is a very rare thing.....

 Im hiding in my sofa XD
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on April 27, 2011, 07:56:04 pm
@AWBrielle: people will chose anything they feel comfortable with (more or less) to hide. Same like victims of abductions hide behind the simpathy for the one that abducted them i guess. Hide ur true face and it wont get hurt. Some will hide behind religion, some behind military serve, some behind inventing some fantasy creatures that are grose to "regular" people, some behind getting hurt or hurting someone else... this world is seriously fd, no one can deny that. And to survive in it, people adapt in many different ways, depending on their character/culture/religion. Being true these days is a very rare thing.....

 Im hiding in my sofa XD

You stole my hiding place.

Naw, all jokes aside - that's quite true. Hiding doesn't help anyone, though - that's something people need to realize.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 28, 2011, 04:12:08 am
True, in the end it doesnt, but hiding was one of the ways for cave men to survive, so i guess its an automatic response.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on April 28, 2011, 12:39:27 pm
Thats exactly why christianity and catholicism are separate things. I know a lot of catholics that are biding to the rules of the institution, and then a lot of people that dont call themselves catholics, but are more christian then most that go to church on every sunday. Its all the matter of personal choice i guess. Id rather stay out of house blessing list, then out of faith i carry in me (with all the doubts and questioning).

 :laugh: lol then in other words the majority of the youth wouldn't be considered catholic.. willingly  :roll:
I know, its just what most people do. And it annoys me becaus, to me atleast, it seems like they act nice because they either fear judgemnt of some "God" or seek reward for their acts.

 :laugh: lol that's my mom  :-D
I mean no offense by this post, but I think for some people it isn't growing up in a faith; it's a matter of hiding behind one.

lol mommy again
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 28, 2011, 01:31:19 pm
Heh, right, if u wanna follow the logic ;)

and damn, i thought i had mommy issues :P
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 28, 2011, 03:04:20 pm
True, butin that same way, the people around ustoday are also not "willing Catholics" so to speak. They grew up around it too. I think the only ones that could be considered "willing Catholics" would be those that started the religion.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 28, 2011, 04:18:56 pm
Oh, u should live where i live. Its all about being a good catholic, in fact it goes so deep, that u arent a proper citizen if u arent one urself. So, on one side, theres a bunch of good, law biding citizens that go to church every sunday, and on the other hand, we have government, media, culture and education leaders that secretly  wear their capes every saturday and bow to Baphomet. Talk about contradictions huh?
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 28, 2011, 05:56:07 pm
Oh, I could not survive in a place like that. Especially if its expected of everyone to act that way.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on April 28, 2011, 06:26:55 pm
"Boo to restriction," is all I have to say.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ViciouslyMe on April 28, 2011, 06:29:42 pm
Well, I could have sworn the main point of being human was free will. Of course it becomes hard to express free will when others look down on some, and some even get executed. Granted, not in all situations. But its one of those things that shouldn't depend on setting.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 29, 2011, 01:32:49 am
Yup, more then once i saw older women makin sign of cross when i went out in my goth outfit. Makes me wanna wear it all the time and hopefully some of them will drop dead of a heart attack. Im bad sometimes, stupidity makes me like that :D
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on April 29, 2011, 09:30:48 am
^ again, it's a matter of fear. People hide from what they're not used to seeing, so you know, if they grew up in a crazy-conservative, restrictive family, then the world is a scary place. Even cold weather can be the death of them. Sad...
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 29, 2011, 12:41:43 pm
I know, but that amount of fear had reason behind it when we were in stone age, now its just bloody silly...
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on April 30, 2011, 12:44:00 pm
and damn, i thought i had mommy issues :P[/color]

XD thats nothing :P
True, butin that same way, the people around ustoday are also not "willing Catholics" so to speak. They grew up around it too. I think the only ones that could be considered "willing Catholics" would be those that started the religion.

lol don't forget the old people

Oh, u should live where i live. Its all about being a good catholic, in fact it goes so deep, that u arent a proper citizen if u arent one urself. So, on one side, theres a bunch of good, law biding citizens that go to church every sunday, and on the other hand, we have government, media, culture and education leaders that secretly  wear their capes every saturday and bow to Baphomet. Talk about contradictions huh?

if hell could be put into description in comparision to something, i say thats it

Yup, more then once i saw older women makin sign of cross when i went out in my goth outfit. Makes me wanna wear it all the time and hopefully some of them will drop dead of a heart attack. Im bad sometimes, stupidity makes me like that :D
:-o wow but if you really want to scare the hell out of them, you could've done demonic growls and said "praise satan" then an evil grin  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 30, 2011, 01:01:01 pm
Well, honestly, i think i was scared more then them, u should have seen those lil grannies, they looked like Linda Blair in her old age xD
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on April 30, 2011, 01:08:01 pm
Well, honestly, i think i was scared more then them, u should have seen those lil grannies, they looked like Linda Blair in her old age xD

 :laugh: ok now thats understandable but still that would've been a great laugh  :laugh:
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on April 30, 2011, 01:10:20 pm
Yeah, too bad i wasnt up to mischief on my way to school.... it was too early for me, and im a night type  :|
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on May 02, 2011, 04:59:24 am
Yeah, too bad i wasnt up to mischief on my way to school.... it was too early for me, and im a night type  :|

oh then in that case it wouldn't have been as effective if you did that during the day
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ANGEL02 on July 31, 2011, 09:36:25 pm
Angels are soldiers/warriors that do the will of God. One reason they aren't all cupid like babys with wings is the fact that you got to remember is Satan/Lucifer is a fallen angel. Angels are also the most majestic supernatural creature that you could ever see. You are also lucky to have one guarding you throughout your life. [/color]
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: LeXtruX on August 01, 2011, 11:32:25 am
Angels are soldiers/warriors that do the will of God. One reason they aren't all cupid like babys with wings is the fact that you got to remember is Satan/Lucifer is a fallen angel. Angels are also the most majestic supernatural creature that you could ever see. You are also lucky to have one guarding you throughout your life. [/color]
ok first off... get your facts straightened out... Look beyond christianity... Some beliefs say that angels are pure untainted creatures but can be evil and demons are tainted and unpure in their beliefs... but not evil.
I agree, when we talk about demons here, we talk about evil entities... but for the love of all that is righteous... get your facts straightened out or get the hell out of this place... I've red only a few of your posts and I am NOT the bit least impressed... and I'm the easiest to be impressed on this board...
You are TOO full of yourself so you'll be an instant demon meal... Have you ever met a real demon? I doubt it, have you ever met a real angel? I doubt it even more... Angels stay away from this realm, if you know one let it come to me and we'll see if it's real or not... But please, cut the crap... haven't you noticed that you are being ridiculed? And yet you keep going. Take the advice and use it, like I used this advice when I first came here... Learn the respect of others before boasting too much. Also get your facts straightened out, go beyond christianity, see links to the other beliefs... Research is KEY in this.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Muerte on August 01, 2011, 05:58:43 pm
Angels are soldiers/warriors that do the will of God. One reason they aren't all cupid like babys with wings is the fact that you got to remember is Satan/Lucifer is a fallen angel. Angels are also the most majestic supernatural creature that you could ever see. You are also lucky to have one guarding you throughout your life. [/color]
ok first off... get your facts straightened out... Look beyond christianity... Some beliefs say that angels are pure untainted creatures but can be evil and demons are tainted and unpure in their beliefs... but not evil.
I agree, when we talk about demons here, we talk about evil entities... but for the love of all that is righteous... get your facts straightened out or get the hell out of this place... I've red only a few of your posts and I am NOT the bit least impressed... and I'm the easiest to be impressed on this board...
You are TOO full of yourself so you'll be an instant demon meal... Have you ever met a real demon? I doubt it, have you ever met a real angel? I doubt it even more... Angels stay away from this realm, if you know one let it come to me and we'll see if it's real or not... But please, cut the crap... haven't you noticed that you are being ridiculed? And yet you keep going. Take the advice and use it, like I used this advice when I first came here... Learn the respect of others before boasting too much. Also get your facts straightened out, go beyond christianity, see links to the other beliefs... Research is KEY in this.

  It seems like someone want my job.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on August 02, 2011, 04:42:36 am
He is becoming quiet a young man isnt he. :-D 
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on August 03, 2011, 05:29:45 am
Awwweee  :lol:

guyz, a u getting all mushy now?  :roll:

ps: too much "manly" love in one room can affect me weird xD
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: ravinclaw on August 03, 2011, 06:38:03 am
Stop it, now your making me feal weird  :-D

So, how bout those Yankees ehh?  lol
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: Nina on August 04, 2011, 03:10:21 am
 *<:)
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: AWBrielle on August 05, 2011, 07:57:05 pm
I just want to say: people *cough*angel02*cough* - please read ALL posts before posting. It just makes life easier.
Also, as Muerte has always said - and very smartly, Lex - RESEARCH. Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on August 08, 2011, 08:41:19 am
Awwweee  :lol:

guyz, a u getting all mushy now?  :roll:

ps: too much "manly" love in one room can affect me weird xD

 :laugh: you just had to stop it, lol it could've gotten even more mushier and funnier  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: davidn13 on August 08, 2011, 06:36:54 pm
Not without breaking the man-code. After that they'd have to take a whack from the paddle of doom.  :laugh: :-P

But some people are into that kinda thing, so it all work's out I guess-you can't be kicked out, just voluntarily resign.
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on September 18, 2011, 12:01:03 pm
Screw the man code !!!  :-D
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: davidn13 on September 23, 2011, 06:51:56 pm
That's one way to do it...lol  :-P
Title: Re: Angels and about them
Post by: confused_mystery on September 28, 2011, 12:29:18 pm
That's one way to do it...lol  :-P

lol ew not like that