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Ghosts, Poltergeists & Apparitions => Ghost hunters => Topic started by: Nina on May 09, 2011, 11:08:01 AM

Title: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: Nina on May 09, 2011, 11:08:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Afe8kg2Q6c&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: onepiece on May 10, 2011, 07:15:05 AM
Ok so they exist...............one more reason to become a hunter  :doh: 

if i was that guy i would've done some experiments before getting a priest.....
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: AWBrielle on May 10, 2011, 10:32:39 AM
Ok so they exist...............one more reason to become a hunter  :doh: 

if i was that guy i would've done some experiments before getting a priest.....

xD

I don't know why, but this is a great reaction. Hahaha.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: Nina on May 10, 2011, 10:34:38 AM
Im afraid to ask what experiments exactly, but my curiosity is still larger then fear :roll:
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: AWBrielle on May 10, 2011, 10:35:42 AM
I'm curious about the same, though, so we're both in the same boat.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: onepiece on May 11, 2011, 05:59:04 AM
for the experiments........hmmm....
i would ask it if salt does what they say it does to ghosts.........and also cold iron,silver and so on
i would get an oujia board and have a nice quite long conversation about death
i would try to play chess....with it
try out the solomonic pentacles if they really work
ask it if it knows its dead
and thats all i can think about......

i cant get out of my mind imagining how if i was that demonologist talking to the poltergeist
me: are you a man or a woman.....one knock for man and two for women
pltg: *knock*
me: are you a boy.....one knock for yes and two for no
pltg: *knock*
me: hmm....are you high?
pltg:.....*strange silence*...............*knock*

Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: heckco on May 11, 2011, 08:36:07 AM
The first part of the video looks fake but one ed and Lorraine are real.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: AWBrielle on May 11, 2011, 10:27:07 AM
for the experiments........hmmm....
i would ask it if salt does what they say it does to ghosts.........and also cold iron,silver and so on
i would get an oujia board and have a nice quite long conversation about death
i would try to play chess....with it
try out the solomonic pentacles if they really work
ask it if it knows its dead
and thats all i can think about......

i cant get out of my mind imagining how if i was that demonologist talking to the poltergeist
me: are you a man or a woman.....one knock for man and two for women
pltg: *knock*
me: are you a boy.....one knock for yes and two for no
pltg: *knock*
me: hmm....are you high?
pltg:.....*strange silence*...............*knock*



Er. I think you have demons mixed with poltergeist "hauntings." Or you don't quite know what poltergeists are - they're manifested energy that's tied to a particular individual. Projections, if you will, that seem to "take a life of their own" in ways. Solomon's Pentacles? Useless. Entirely.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: onepiece on May 11, 2011, 12:38:53 PM
i see poltergeists as normal spirits.......as it names say's "noisy spirit"  :-)


but if they're manifested energy bound to an individual........they would also be described demonic.

and solomon's pentacles could work.......who knows........but there wont be anyone to prove it.

im just confused..........about the fact that in albanian lore there is also a similar "entity"
.....they are like angry spirits usually called lugat....but a lugat is like a kind of vampire so they kinda mixed it up.......there is also a story behind it, in my moms family......well my moms grandmother had a cousin whose her house was hounted from a poltergeist like thing.....they would call it a lugat....cause it would throw things at her, open all the door's, it dragged the flour sack when she made bread(this could be a book title, about poltergeists :lol:)....and etc.

why does such an interesting topic only got 8 comments??
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: AWBrielle on May 11, 2011, 02:22:51 PM
i see poltergeists as normal spirits.......as it names say's "noisy spirit"  :-)


but if they're manifested energy bound to an individual........they would also be described demonic.

and solomon's pentacles could work.......who knows........but there wont be anyone to prove it.

No. What you're thinking of is an inhuman haunting. Inhuman is more or less demonic, but even that depends on various factors. Inhuman generally implies something that was not once or is not created by a human. Often these hauntings are mistaken - take the common idea of a poltergeist, as opposed to what it actually is; that could be inhuman, depending on, again, various factors. "Manifested energy" means energy that is channeled and produced by a specific individual. That's why poltergeists are usually associated with teenagers and children - you know the whole "angst" concept? :P It's a projection. What's your source of information for the "demonic" angle?  :?

I feel like you think I'm just telling you what I think they are, based off of your words: "I see poltergeists as..." Er. I'm not sharing what I think they are, just what I know them to be. I could be wrong, though, so if someone else can correct me, please do (oldbill? Muerte? LG?).

A "normal spirit" -- could you mean a traditional haunting? Vengeful spirits do, indeed, exist, but I'm not sure what you're getting at here. There's no such thing as a normal spirit :P
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: Nina on May 12, 2011, 03:10:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg9gYP5c62g
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: Anaya on May 12, 2011, 05:03:56 AM
i see poltergeists as normal spirits.......as it names say's "noisy spirit"  :-)


but if they're manifested energy bound to an individual........they would also be described demonic.

and solomon's pentacles could work.......who knows........but there wont be anyone to prove it.

No. What you're thinking of is an inhuman haunting. Inhuman is more or less demonic, but even that depends on various factors. Inhuman generally implies something that was not once or is not created by a human. Often these hauntings are mistaken - take the common idea of a poltergeist, as opposed to what it actually is; that could be inhuman, depending on, again, various factors. "Manifested energy" means energy that is channeled and produced by a specific individual. That's why poltergeists are usually associated with teenagers and children - you know the whole "angst" concept? :P It's a projection. What's your source of information for the "demonic" angle?  :?

I feel like you think I'm just telling you what I think they are, based off of your words: "I see poltergeists as..." Er. I'm not sharing what I think they are, just what I know them to be. I could be wrong, though, so if someone else can correct me, please do (oldbill? Muerte? LG?).

A "normal spirit" -- could you mean a traditional haunting? Vengeful spirits do, indeed, exist, but I'm not sure what you're getting at here. There's no such thing as a normal spirit :P

You've basically covered everything. These are human spirits. Intelligent spirits know they are dead and what’s going on. Residual spirits don’t know what is going on and normally can’t be bothered while on the astral plane; imagine a skipping record but a spirit. Under the category of intelligent spirits is poltergeist who are normally acting out against something in the house--say perhaps construction or activities in the house. If the presence attacks people, then it's an inhuman haunting most of the time--much harder to get rid of.

Poltergeists generally run their course within a few weeks to a few months. They generally don't last long (THEORY: due to using much of their energy to move things and such). Other haunting tend to last forever or at least until piece is found or a priest... both start with P.

Inhuman haunting does not leave until it achieves whatever it's goal is (keeping a home vacant, or leading someone to their death that they feel is a threat) they cannot kill you direction but they can play a hand in leading a person to suicide.

Just woke up so if there are typos or grammar errors, I'm sorry. *yawn* Also, this is from research and personal experiences.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: Nina on May 12, 2011, 06:05:01 AM
I agree with mostly everything u said here, except about the poltergeist. There id agree with AWBrielle and all the angst thing among the energy peaking teens ;) .
 Also, dead people dont stay here, but their energetic impact, thus anyone claiming they are talking with someone deceased, i consider a fraud. Dead people are dead, period. Their soul never stays here unless trapped (but thats entirely different topic).  Anything else that talks through mediums and such, isnt human nor it ever was, but devil knows his job :)

This also comes from research AND personal experience.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: AWBrielle on May 12, 2011, 08:54:36 AM
Insofar as "the dead stay dead" is concerned, I've heard tell that there are some forms of haunting where they / their souls have yet to completely "pass on," per say. I haven't gathered enough info on that in specific kind of thing, so unless someone here beats me to it, I'll gather more notes and share what I know.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: onepiece on May 12, 2011, 09:43:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg9gYP5c62g

interesting...........especially the part with the part when he explains the bed soaked in u....you know.........guess thats ectoplasm........you have to be a very pissed off spirit to do that.......(as they explain in the supernatural tv show)........well now i know how it smells,.... :lol:


do you know what happened afterwards........did they got rid of it.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: Nina on May 12, 2011, 10:31:04 AM
Insofar as "the dead stay dead" is concerned, I've heard tell that there are some forms of haunting where they / their souls have yet to completely "pass on," per say. I haven't gathered enough info on that in specific kind of thing, so unless someone here beats me to it, I'll gather more notes and share what I know.

Well, i give a soul classic 40 days to leave Earthly realms. After that, if its still stuck here, my thought would be it wouldnt be cause of anything natural.

kewl, Ill be waiting for those ;)
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: ravinclaw on May 12, 2011, 11:22:23 AM
dang, wish I could watch the videos. I will eventually though. On the subject of poltergeist activity in general, AWBriele is correct. None of the seals of Solomon will do anything to stop it. As far as that goes, they wont do anything at all in any situation unless you believe in them. On the subject of Ed and Lorane Warren. Well Ed has passed on and though I beleive Loranes heart is in the right place.... I feal she is fairly easily swayed toward demonic. With residual hauntings, what we experiance is like an echo. The spirit is gone, but as Mr Hetfield said "The Memory Remains" I personaly believe that in some instances a human spirit can remain earthbound for an indefinate amount of time. Like a cosmic loophole.....like O.J. Lol, and I beleive I have come across these types of hauntings. But the real mystery in all this is the infamous "What Is It?" we may never know, but thats no reason to stop looking.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: AWBrielle on May 12, 2011, 01:05:54 PM
That's really interesting, actually, Ravin.

@Nina that's probably true. It brings up the whole "life after death" issue, though. For now, I'm with you, but I'll definitely be sure to let you all know if I see anything that suggest something different in my experiences!
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: Paranormal Avenues on November 25, 2011, 12:21:29 PM
Sorry to say, anyone who buys into the theory that poltergeist activity is caused by the energy given off by children and teens is mistaken. I believe that theory to be horse hockey, and this comes from personal experience. My experiences were all of the classic poltergeist variety, but I am here to tell you there was an intelligent force behind it. Besides, according to this theory, this type of "haunting" usually doesn't last very long. Mine lasted for over fifteen years, long after any kids involved had reached maturity.  I have never seen a case involving poltergeists where this theory was validly applicable.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: AWBrielle on November 25, 2011, 10:57:21 PM
^ It isn't always in teens and children alone - that is just usually the case. We never said that is *pegged* information. In other words, it's entirely possible and probable that such cases are sometimes found in adults, too.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: Nina on November 26, 2011, 12:14:19 AM
Agreed Awbrielle. We didnt say its always kids fault, but in cases of poltergeist, it is of living human source. If its not, then it aint poltergeist.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: Paranormal Avenues on November 26, 2011, 07:01:54 AM
Apologies if I came off as a bit gruff, but this is a pet peeve of mine. The " this is not an entity but simply psychic forces given off by the target subject" theory became widely popular during the time that I was having my experiences, and I was told more than once, with that smug, knowing smirk, that this was the case in my situation. It was not.

Now, far be it from me to declare myself an expert on anything.  For all I know, this theory may be valid in certain situations. But my gut feeling is that every "poltergeist" event is caused by a separate, intelligent entity, and while I believe the are drawn to and feed off of teen angst, emotional instability, and other strong energy, i do not believe that these energies are the sole cause of the activity.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: Nina on November 26, 2011, 08:22:12 AM
With this said, maybe the thing you experienced wasnt a poltergeist but some other sort of unrest spirit.
Title: Re: Poltergeist! This is Amazing!: VIDEO
Post by: AWBrielle on November 27, 2011, 05:31:13 PM
Now, far be it from me to declare myself an expert on anything.  For all I know, this theory may be valid in certain situations. But my gut feeling is that every "poltergeist" event is caused by a separate, intelligent entity, and while I believe the are drawn to and feed off of teen angst, emotional instability, and other strong energy, i do not believe that these energies are the sole cause of the activity.

I am not giving you a "smug, knowing smirk," for what it's worth. It's not always the case - though usually it is - that a poltergeist is simply a person's energy being transmitted in a powerful way. Sometimes - note that I do not say "every time," because, believe me, I've seen poltergeist cases that are exactly that: personal psychical energy - sometimes, I am sure that there is another entity involved. Your experience is likely proof of that. However, there is a classification for what you are saying, and if we're going to generalize it, then we would call it an "intelligent haunting." I'm not sure if what I'm saying really makes sense - I hope it does! :P

I'm neither with you nor against you on this one. You raise valid points. But you can't peg this down on every poltergeist case. Every case is and will always be different.