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Apocalypse Soon => Religions, Cults & Sects => Topic started by: Levinthross on June 22, 2009, 11:57:06 pm

Title: three
Post by: Levinthross on June 22, 2009, 11:57:06 pm
ok is it just me or is lthe number three ingrained in human d.n.a because atleast every religion i know of haves some form of a trinity
Title: Re: three
Post by: Muerte on June 23, 2009, 01:24:12 am
  Not really, you need to remember, the majority of religions borrow from oters all the time.  Now there may actually be something to the trinity that was understood in the beginning, but you know mankind, now it means whatever the hell we want it to mean.
Title: Re: three
Post by: Levinthross on June 24, 2009, 03:04:41 pm
hmmmm i must agree but that leaves one question why doesnt the great one above have three equally great noodly appendages
or does his great noodly appendage manifests itself in three dimensions  astral, physical and mental?
Title: Re: three
Post by: ravinclaw on June 24, 2009, 04:22:31 pm
Did you know there is a trinity even in the cherokee religiouns.

just thought Id throw that in there.
Title: Re: three
Post by: Levinthross on June 24, 2009, 10:49:45 pm
seriously i dont know much about native american religious practices but feel freee to give a breakdown.
Title: Re: three
Post by: ravinclaw on June 25, 2009, 05:47:16 am
Ill make it kinda simple, because I could write more than most would wont to read, that and different tribes have different, but similar beliefs.

The cherokee name for god is promounced Yee Ho Wah. "thats not the way its actually spelled," and concistes of three very seperate intitys. They never argue or anything like alot of greek gods, and gods in other religiouns, but all have there own seperate dutys.
but they are not 1 god with three seperate parts like in christianity.

most think nature is worshiped in native american culture, and that is not to far from true in a way, and like I said all tribes are different, even different tribes from the same natioun.
Title: Re: three
Post by: Devinoir on June 25, 2009, 08:03:33 am
Ill make it kinda simple, because I could write more than most would wont to read, that and different tribes have different, but similar beliefs.

The cherokee name for god is promounced Yee Ho Wah. "thats not the way its actually spelled," and concistes of three very seperate intitys. They never argue or anything like alot of greek gods, and gods in other religiouns, but all have there own seperate dutys.
but they are not 1 god with three seperate parts like in christianity.

most think nature is worshiped in native american culture, and that is not to far from true in a way, and like I said all tribes are different, even different tribes from the same natioun.

You know, ravinclaw - always wanted to ask you - how DO you know so much about cherokee dieties and all?
Title: Re: three
Post by: ravinclaw on June 25, 2009, 03:10:22 pm
My Grandfather on my Dads side was full blooded cherokee,
I was lucky enough to get pretty close to him for about three years before he died,
he taught me alot, mostly usefull things for survival, but I also learned alot about the
religiouns and myths.

My Great Grandfather on my mothers side was half souix, I never knew him, but from what I have heard he was crazy, he killed a guy and was hung for it.

Yould never know it by looking at me though. Both my sisters look like native americans,
but me and my brother not a bit.
Title: Re: three
Post by: Levinthross on June 25, 2009, 03:37:04 pm
i know how you feel my granfather is a quarter black foot inddian doesnt look a bit like them but my mom brother and uncle do
Title: Re: three
Post by: Devinoir on June 26, 2009, 01:35:29 am
Do you live in a reservation or something? I'm not being racist, just curious.Do you really have a shaman?
Title: Re: three
Post by: ravinclaw on June 26, 2009, 10:21:06 am
No I dont live on a reservatioun.
I dont have a shaman either, but I know one, met him through my Grandfather, I met alot of interesting people through him.
Im not saying I believe in cherokee religioun either, I just think its important to know where we came from.

I wouldent have taken that as racism anyway,
Im proud of my heritage, I think we all should be,
regardless of what it is.
and I dont mind a bit answering questiouns about it,
so if you have more, feel free to ask.
Title: Re: three
Post by: Levinthross on June 26, 2009, 10:22:47 am
how exactly do shamans or native american religious figures go about there training are they self taught and converse with others
or do they go by a apprentice ship method?
Title: Re: three
Post by: ravinclaw on June 26, 2009, 03:37:51 pm
Well its sort of an apprentice ship,
but one has to be born with "The Gift"

they are usually recognized at birth by the shaman,
then he takes them under his wing.

The child will be put through a series of tests and training
Title: Re: three
Post by: Levinthross on June 27, 2009, 09:56:53 pm
hmmm and this gift is just a random occurenece or very likely thing to happen with in certain familys???
Title: Re: three
Post by: Devinoir on June 27, 2009, 11:55:17 pm
Are there any description as to what king of a gift IS the  'Gift'?
I mean, does he sense it on psychic level, does it manifest it self as a birthmark, abnormal pigmentation, etc?
Title: Re: three
Post by: ravinclaw on June 28, 2009, 09:13:08 am
Well, I dont know eactly what the "gift" is, but shaman can usually speak to the spirits of the dead, including animals. well, from what Ive heard anyway.

Usually one of the children of a shaman will become a shaman, but it dosent always work that way, my Grandfather said some tribes can go for years after a shaman has died, without a new one, In that case I guess when a new one is born, he has to learn alot on his own.

Im still learning about the spiritual end of this stuff.
Title: Re: three
Post by: Raziel on June 28, 2009, 10:07:20 am
Silly boy. thats why we have A/V recording devices
Title: Re: three
Post by: Devinoir on June 29, 2009, 01:17:31 am
I'm coming to US for a year this fall, when I do, I'd like to talk to people like that shamans.
Title: Re: three
Post by: ravinclaw on June 29, 2009, 05:35:18 am
What part of the U.S. are you coming to?

A shaman will talk to just about anyone in nead of help, and will answer some questiouns about his practices, but alot of things are kept secret. Certain knowledge can only be earned.

Title: Re: three
Post by: rave phillaphia on June 29, 2009, 02:12:06 pm
What part of the U.S. are you coming to?

A shaman will talk to just about anyone in nead of help, and will answer some questiouns about his practices, but alot of things are kept secret. Certain knowledge can only be earned.



It's because Americans are stupid and think that they can just mix and match all relgions and misuse everything. I am sorry I have a lot of respect for Native American culture and relgions. We have just been horrible so I understand why they do that.

But yes Devinoir it really depends on where your at in the states because shamans are not everywhere. So where are you going?
Title: Re: three
Post by: Devinoir on June 30, 2009, 03:20:03 am
I don't know yet, I'm an exchange student and a host family is going to pick me, so it's pracrtically anywhere.
Where do the most tribes dwell?
Title: Re: three
Post by: ravinclaw on June 30, 2009, 08:48:41 am
All over really, but they are few and far between, relitivly speaking.

The closest reservation to me is about a three hour drive.

some tribes are freindlier that others, Cherokee are prety hospitable to outsiders, cant really speak for any other tribes.
Title: Re: three
Post by: Levinthross on June 30, 2009, 05:53:45 pm
im assuming that the gift in this case would be the susceptibility to being posessed or a adeptness at shamanism
Title: Re: three
Post by: Devinoir on July 01, 2009, 01:46:39 am
im assuming that the gift in this case would be the susceptibility to being posessed or a adeptness at shamanism

Huh?
Title: Re: three
Post by: ravinclaw on July 01, 2009, 09:52:29 am
Could be, or a pre cog. post cog. sort of a thing
mabey, some sort of pcychic thing or another.
Title: Re: three
Post by: Raziel on July 01, 2009, 10:27:46 am
im assuming that the gift in this case would be the susceptibility to being posessed or a adeptness at shamanism

Huh?

THey mean how well you can converse with the spirits?  Ya see, its no good if all you are is a conduit. You might get possesed cause you arn't strapped in yo driver seat.

Always negotiate from a place of power kinda schit. dig?
Title: Re: three
Post by: Devinoir on July 02, 2009, 03:30:28 am
Dig Lazarus Dig.
Title: Re: three
Post by: Raziel on July 06, 2009, 04:22:43 am
Lazarus dug deep and then got out of his little dug out.
Title: Re: three
Post by: ravinclaw on July 06, 2009, 09:17:20 am
Yep, thats what they say,

Wonder if he would be concidered the first zombi?
Title: Re: three
Post by: Raziel on July 06, 2009, 12:33:35 pm
hopping chinese zombies probably beat him by a century or something.
Title: Re: three
Post by: Devinoir on July 09, 2009, 06:21:17 am
Is it like Dig Mao Dig?
Title: Re: three
Post by: Raziel on July 10, 2009, 10:24:50 pm
Dig cheerfully for chairman L-MAO!...... or else he will run you over with his tanks..... Seriously.

so as i can see, since Miss Rave is on this topic...... would she care to give me this dance. I promise to positively embarass and own her ass!
(i'm too lazy to fix whatever innuendo is hidden in that sentence. people should stop thinking with thier groins anyway so i'm gonna make em throb till they hurt/flood and make a mess until ya'll learn to stop using for things other than thier intended purposes.)