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Title: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on August 24, 2009, 12:07:45 am
I wanna know how the devil is evil, if ya THINK hard on it, it isnt actually evil, because of the fact it punishes the wicked and evil doers, so i believe he would be the god of justice am i correct?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on August 24, 2009, 05:43:45 pm
Well, thats one way to look at it. Many will say yes, the devil is the very defenition of evil, others will say that he is simply misunderstood, rejected by an unfair god.

In the begining the devil was simply an adversary, like a judge of sorts who seen flaws in gods work and called him on it, I could probably write a page or two on this, but at the moment Im a lazy ass, and dont feal like it so I will give the others time to express their veiws on the matter.

interesting idea by the way, and welcome to monstrous.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on August 24, 2009, 06:31:18 pm
Interesting way of looking at it. I think what you said about the god of justice could be a good interpretation, although he'd be more like an angel of justice if you meant the Christian Devil. And what ravin said is true, he wasn't really evil, he was the one to question god and in the end, got banished. I don't have much to add, but I just wanted to say those are interesting views on the subject.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on August 24, 2009, 11:59:03 pm
well thank you both, i was just thinking wouldn't god be evil itself? if ya think about it the devil or lucifier was once an angel, and alls lucifer asked was why the angels had to watch over the humans, they were clearly more "superior, and so god banished lucifer down to hell, isnt that kinda bad because i believe god gave everything a "free will" to speak there minds and oppinions, so why would he banish lucifer for speaking its mind? if ya ask me god is a hypocryte if this theory is true, just a thought
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on August 25, 2009, 10:34:16 am
My fealings on religion, angels, demons and God are ...........mixed is the only word I can think of to describe it, but alot of people say that God is pure good and incapable of evil acts, I say he is just as capable of evil as he is of good, but the very idea of good and evil is a mater of perspective I think,

like you can do something bad and something good can come out of it or the other way around, kinda the whole "the end justifies the means" way of thinking I guess,
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on August 25, 2009, 12:06:51 pm
I don't think God would be completely good. After all, if he were completely good, there's no way he'd send people to Hell to suffer for eternity, right? Once again, the "what is good and evil" question... I'd think both God and the Devil would be morally gray. Like ravin said, the end justifies the means kinda thing.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Ryobi on August 25, 2009, 01:39:18 pm
Well I don't really see God as a force of good but more the force of material creation, if the 'Devil' is the opposite of 'God' then that would make him the force that destroys material creation. In other words death compared to life. In a western societal sense, punishment compared to reward. Metaphysical existence compared to physical existence.

Not saying that in destroying material creation he created the astral realm, however in being a destructive force he opens the gates to the next life through 'death'.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Grendelion on August 25, 2009, 08:10:08 pm
Any entity that is sentient is capable of both good and evil.  If God is good and the Devil is evil, its only because they choose to be so.  People see the Devil as pure evil nowadays because the old stories have been given a strictly dual aspect, with no middle ground whatsoever.  Because of its widespread hold on the worlds populace, the old monotheistic beliefs and ideals of heaven and hell have slowly permeated into our own pop culture, and have thus become a derivative of their initial selves.  If the Devil is nothing more than an angel of justice as one suggested, then I suppose he isn't truly evil.  However, if he's the shape among us that uses wit and will to coerce man to commit sin and what-not, then he could very well be classified as evil.  But like I said, its only because he chooses to be.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on August 27, 2009, 05:12:53 pm
isnt that kinda bad because i believe god gave everything a "free will" to speak there minds and oppinions, so why would he banish lucifer for speaking its mind? if ya ask me god is a hypocryte if this theory is true, just a thought

 He didn't give 'everything' free will, just humans. Angels were created for the purpose of guarding human life. Protecting it and ensuring it's continuance... at God's will. He is their "Master". They live at his sufferance.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on August 28, 2009, 10:42:35 am
yeah, that was prety much the idea, we get to screw around and run a muck of things, and they are suposed to play nany and keap us out of too much trouble...........they are doing one hell of a job too, mabey their all on vacation or strike or something.....for the past several thousand years.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on August 28, 2009, 10:45:53 am
 Oh gods... don't get me started. Guardian Angels?? Where were they when I.... well, when I needed them?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Ryobi on August 28, 2009, 04:53:14 pm
Because the universe is not centered around mankind and things that are, are nearly always human concepts and forces, such as Guardian Angels, which are a product of faith, if you do not entirely let that force into your life, it can not do it's job.

Would you say you are a different person now? Would you say it was a change for the better?

If so, that could be the other reason?  :|
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on August 28, 2009, 06:37:24 pm
Humans were given free will so having an army of angels  to guide humanity and protect them is kinda redundant. Thats removing free will. As for the whole devil being evil or good? Since the entire good and evil/right and wrong concept is based entirely on whether something is ethical or not and there for whether it is moraly and legaly right. Religion was the first law so the only reason we view something as wrong is because early religion and law (which was based from religion) say so. Going down this rout that means the whole concept of evil was invented by religion so if a religions equivilant of the devil is said to be evil by the religion itself then hes evil because thats what that particular religion views evil as. Arguing about whether the devil is evil or not is a bit like me telling my friend his imaginary friend isnt blue like he says, but green. I dont know or have a say. I didnt create him, I accept he is confident enough in his invention to decide these things.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: onishadowolf on August 28, 2009, 08:00:07 pm
The Devil isn't evil, he's just a poor little pawn. Poor little Devil!:'(

He just gets raped all around.tsk tsk
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on August 28, 2009, 08:11:22 pm
 Well Ryobi... I'd go into detail, but it's painful stuff... and no, it wasn't better... Well.... I'm a stronger person now for everything I've been through....... but I can't take much more.....
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on August 29, 2009, 08:33:30 am
I wanna know how the devil is evil, if ya THINK hard on it, it isnt actually evil, because of the fact it punishes the wicked and evil doers, so i believe he would be the god of justice am i correct?

The Devil isn't evil, he's just a poor little pawn. Poor little Devil!:'(

He just gets raped all around.tsk tsk


Speaking of rape.....
Pretend the devil is a massive Gay & 7ft, 450lb black Rapist Named Bubba. Who was convicted of manslaughter, Beastiality, And Neutering his neighborhood postman with a rusty spoon.

And pretend you are this puny little 5 ft 5. Klansman. Who was convicted of stealing a little too many rolls of toilet paper and coffee sachets from your office.

The guards suck. and take bets on how long you last.

You and bubba are cell mates.


God is the system. God is society.


You are screwed.

__________________________________

This illustrates that just because you are punished, your punishment has little to do with your crime.
Instead, you just get sent to that place where all the people who are not fit for society are imprisoned.

Accding to Christianity( well a Religious studies class anyway) , Hell is a place where you are beyond God's grace.
Ergo. In my example hell is a prison. A place where you are separated from society at large. The separation isn't so bad.... Its who else is there with ya.....

A perfectly lawless prison with no escape.

In fact this is the cause of arguments of the cause of sin. Are we not at fault due to temptation coming from the devil who entices to do wicked things or does temptation come from ourselves alone?


This point however is not important. The course of action that we take is what matters.

_______________________________________
 :focus:


Alright Strife. The question is If a man torments your tormentor out of his own sick, perverse, deranged,(insert other derogatory adjectives) desires, does it make him a hero?

If not. What is it that makes a hero then?

Speak your piece. because i've run out of words ATM.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on August 29, 2009, 09:32:18 am
hahaha good point raziel, but i think its all up to personal prespective about "what a hero is" my thoughts on what makes a hero a hero is if the hero could help the world without screwing up another side of it, example, help the united states without hurting iraq or something close to that,who could fix a future by looking at the pasted now thats a hero in my oppinion, but everybody has different out looks on stuff such as that
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on August 29, 2009, 03:42:41 pm
What makes a hero. A hero is a person who will do whatever it takes for the greater good. He (I use he as a general, not out of sexism) is prepared to make the hard decissions. To make the sacrifices. He would give up all that is his for others. But sadly sometimes a hero must hurt the few for the good of the many. Now you may not think thats a heroic deed but the acts of a fanatic or perfectionist, and it is, what makes it heroic is a real hero will carry the faces and guilt of the ones who had to fall with him forever. He will do what he wishes he didnt have to, so no one else will have to. And will carry the pain, guilt and hatred for what he did.

That is what I think makes a hero.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on August 29, 2009, 08:35:35 pm
 You just described someone very close to me.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on August 30, 2009, 06:27:25 pm
You just described someone very close to me.

you seem to have alot of pain in your past, and angelus, thats a good point
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on August 30, 2009, 06:30:13 pm
 I do. More than enough to go around.... but it decided to stick with me over the years.



















  Lucky me.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on August 31, 2009, 04:38:35 pm
What makes a hero. A hero is a person who will do whatever it takes for the greater good. He (I use he as a general, not out of sexism) is prepared to make the hard decissions. To make the sacrifices. He would give up all that is his for others. But sadly sometimes a hero must hurt the few for the good of the many. Now you may not think thats a heroic deed but the acts of a fanatic or perfectionist, and it is, what makes it heroic is a real hero will carry the faces and guilt of the ones who had to fall with him forever. He will do what he wishes he didnt have to, so no one else will have to. And will carry the pain, guilt and hatred for what he did.

That is what I think makes a hero.

Nah. That ain't a hero that's a martyr. Which are like hero's but they die alot.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on August 31, 2009, 06:21:03 pm
 Nah... a martyr is someone who does it for glory. A hero does it because they must.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on August 31, 2009, 07:04:44 pm
A martyr would do these deeds and make sure everyone knew so they would get the sympathy. A hero would do it and then say "Yeah, lets forget it happened now and get on with our lives."
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on August 31, 2009, 10:30:23 pm
Nope. If that were the case then Christianity would have lots of heroes. i Refuse to call them as such.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Grendelion on August 31, 2009, 11:54:22 pm
The original meaning for the term martyr was someone who bore witness to an event, etc.  To the monotheistic faiths of the world it refers to an individual that sacrifices their life for what they deem to be the greater good.  Again its all a matter of perspective.  Some people call Jesus a martyr cause he allegedly laid down his life to save our eternal souls.  Then again, those loonies in the middle east who blast themselves to bits to kill all the infidels that stand in defiance of God are called martyrs as well, by the same loonies that helped them strap the bombs to their chest to begin with.  Either way, a person isn't a martyr until they're dead.  Before then, they're simply heroes, which, like beauty, is a title that lies in the eye of the beholder.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 01, 2009, 06:40:22 am
A martyr would do these deeds and make sure everyone knew so they would get the sympathy. A hero would do it and then say "Yeah, lets forget it happened now and get on with our lives."


 You're still describing someone very close to me; I just wish they could see themselves that way.

 
 Grendelion, I don't think they become martyr's when they die. They die as heroes and are remembered as such. Calling someone we knew as a hero when they were alive, a martyr after death... uck. The word 'martyr' leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It always makes me think of someone who does what they do for the glory they can get out of it. "Look at poor lil 'ole me and how sad my situation is."  Blek.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 01, 2009, 09:31:20 am
The original meaning for the term martyr was someone who bore witness to an event, etc.  To the monotheistic faiths of the world it refers to an individual that sacrifices their life for what they deem to be the greater good.  Again its all a matter of perspective.  Some people call Jesus a martyr cause he allegedly laid down his life to save our eternal souls.  Then again, those loonies in the middle east who blast themselves to bits to kill all the infidels that stand in defiance of God are called martyrs as well, by the same loonies that helped them strap the bombs to their chest to begin with.  Either way, a person isn't a martyr until they're dead.  Before then, they're simply heroes, which, like beauty, is a title that lies in the eye of the beholder.

Remember. He got back up.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 02, 2009, 02:03:35 pm
Nope. If that were the case then Christianity would have lots of heroes. i Refuse to call them as such.

Christianity has its own heroes. Its sounds like you have a personal problem with christianity. Just because they died for christianity or for something they felt was a great injustice but they were christians, does that remove them from hero status? Are you saying a hero cant die for what he believes in without becoming a martyr? A man who, when facing his death, will not give up on what he believes in? Cant a man be both? Like the monk who martyred himself for a free Tibet. He set himself on fire with the expectation to die and show the world he meant business. The man was a martyr and to many a hero.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 03, 2009, 12:06:56 am
Neither. I was just saying not all martyrs are heroes and not all heroes are martyrs.... albeit in a somewhat anti-christian way.(but hey we are in the internet. Muslims bust on Allah and man degrades and kills his fellow man for the lulz. A little thing like disparaging your own religion once in a while doesn't really mean anything........ well unless it means that you are a flip-flopping gutless penis...... Which I'm not saying i am. ^_^)

Oh and the monk who set himself on fire was also a great indicator of what extreme lengths the protesters were willing to subject themselves to. China is still communist(albeit  one influenced by Mc Donald's) hence making them a much more dangerous opponent in the eyes of the red army. Not really  a good idea when you think about it.


As to whether he was a martyr  or not. Well who are we to disagree with the people.
A hero to some maybe a monster and a monster to some maybe a hero. Same way with fools, martyrs and martys.
But this brings us back to the human labeling phenomenon and how it is not applicable to everything due to the differences in opinions people have. so lets skip this part.

People die everyday. Some die for what they believe in. That does not make them martyrs to those who do not know about them.  People pull off small miracles every day. this does not make them heroes who don't know about their deeds .  Ergo it only matters to those who know. and more specifically those who care.
 (which i think you do. And do so very much.)

Now who wants to be a hero?



Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 10:32:18 am
 I don't think it's something you can just stand up and go "I do! I do! Pick me!"  It's deeply ingrained within someone.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 03, 2009, 10:42:00 am
It is, no doubt about it.

Angelus described a hero prety well I think. A hero is selfless and will stand for what he or she believes is right, even if they die in the process. A hero is someone who will put their life on the line to save lives, and they dont give a damn about the reward simple as that.

chances are every one of us knows a hero or two, even if they havnt proven it yet, given the right set of events, they will.

then again some will just call then nuts.......but will they care?......hell no.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 10:56:20 am
 They won't care at all. That's the difference between martyr's and heroes. Martyr's want everyone to know it was them that did it... heroes just want to move on.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 03, 2009, 11:17:40 am
a hero doesnt want recognition for what they have done, they will do what they have to do and leave
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 03, 2009, 11:31:29 am
yeah, and then usualy wish like hell they could forget about it.

its kinda like this....say you and a friend are in a burning building....you get cracked on the head by some falling wood....... He knows for sure if he leaves right now, he can get out, but if he picks you up and takes you with him, he will almost certainly not make it out in time....what dose he do?

times like that are what makes real heros folks, not when the entire world is hanging in the balance its when one life can be saved, or not....but will you risk it?

thats what makes heros. In my opinion anyway, but what the hell do I know.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 11:33:18 am
 You're right, ravin. You're sooo right.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 03, 2009, 11:43:23 am
isnt that kinda bad because i believe god gave everything a "free will" to speak there minds and oppinions, so why would he banish lucifer for speaking its mind? if ya ask me god is a hypocryte if this theory is true, just a thought

 He didn't give 'everything' free will, just humans. Angels were created for the purpose of guarding human life. Protecting it and ensuring it's continuance... at God's will. He is their "Master". They live at his sufferance.

  Ok, I have waited long enought to post here I think.  And really ZI just want to ask a simple question that has been pluaging me for a while now.  I god did not give angels free will, then how did 1/3 of his angelic host rise up with Lucifer to challenge kthe decisions of the almighty.   That to me shows an awful lot of balls for beings that are not supposed to have any free will.  As a matter of fact, are those angels who followed or were cast out still not considered angels, homeless thought hey may be?  And if they are still considered angels, and are dirrectly opposed to gods ideas, well there we have it again, freewill.  questions, comments?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 11:55:48 am
 Hmm... very good point, Muerte. Wasn't the revolt and subsequent fall of Lucifer and his 'angels' pre-written? Meaning that God already knew it was going to happen and how and when?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 03, 2009, 11:57:36 am
Hmm... very good point, Muerte. Wasn't the revolt and subsequent fall of Lucifer and his 'angels' pre-written? Meaning that God already knew it was going to happen and how and when?

  To my knowledege no, I can do some research and get back to you on it, or perhapse Ravin will have something to add, as this is his fav. topic.  I just had to ask it.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 03, 2009, 12:56:03 pm
hahaha!!  angels and god are all a bunch of bastards!!   demons too!! BASTARDS THE WHOLE DAMNED LOT OF THEM!!!

Ive been trying to figure it out for years and it dont make sence, none of it,

Im starting my own religion Its called the "fark it religion"  which means fark it, have a good time while you are here!   anyone care to join me?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 03, 2009, 01:41:49 pm
  I would, but I tend to shun organized religions.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 03:34:08 pm
  Ok, I have waited long enought to post here I think.  And really ZI just want to ask a simple question that has been pluaging me for a while now.  I god did not give angels free will, then how did 1/3 of his angelic host rise up with Lucifer to challenge kthe decisions of the almighty.   That to me shows an awful lot of balls for beings that are not supposed to have any free will.  As a matter of fact, are those angels who followed or were cast out still not considered angels, homeless thought hey may be?  And if they are still considered angels, and are dirrectly opposed to gods ideas, well there we have it again, freewill.  questions, comments?

Its not that he never physically gave them free will. Its more like, self thought was illegal. Look what happened when the angels attempted it. Damnation. Yould think the big guy would have learned his lesson but no. He tried to make free will illegal with humans until Lilith said " Im sick of this missionary bulls**t. I want reverse cowgirl!" then he tried it again when he kicked her out the garden and Eve though "fark him, I will eat any farkin apple I want!". I would still say they are angels but not of God. And like I said earlier. Free will was illegal, not impossible.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 03:41:54 pm
 Thank you, Angelus. I was trying to say what I was thinking, but couldn't seem to get it out. You stated it perfectly.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 03:47:16 pm
Im getting good at that. lol.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 03:49:27 pm
Im starting my own religion Its called the "fark it religion"  which means fark it, have a good time while you are here!   anyone care to join me?

 And, Ravin.... I can't join you. I don't even call what I believe a religion... and it's anything but organized as it changes with what I learn about me and life. But I'll join you for some firewater.  :wink:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 03, 2009, 03:52:32 pm
hahaha!!  angels and god are all a bunch of bastards!!   demons too!! BASTARDS THE WHOLE DAMNED LOT OF THEM!!!

Ive been trying to figure it out for years and it dont make sence, none of it,

Im starting my own religion Its called the "fark it religion"  which means fark it, have a good time while you are here!   anyone care to join me?

why not ill join hahaha
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 03:53:01 pm
I would ravin but the catholic guilt in me commands that I donot "fark it" until we are married....... or its an alterboy. lol
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 03, 2009, 04:09:44 pm
Lets see here, I have one that will join,

one that will drink with us, thats the same thing as joining,

not sure what Angelus said, but.....I dont blame ya......I think...

and Muerte, have ya ever known me to do anything organized?
you can join, its just a get drunk and be happy thing, like a reverse hippie movement or.......
or..........or.......ahhh fark it I nead another beer.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 04:11:41 pm
 Alter boy...  wow, Angelus.  *<:)


 See? Ravin just demonstrated his religion to perfection.  :wink:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 04:17:53 pm
Lets see here, I have one that will join,

one that will drink with us, thats the same thing as joining,

not sure what Angelus said, but.....I dont blame ya......I think...

and Muerte, have ya ever known me to do anything organized?
you can join, its just a get drunk and be happy thing, like a reverse hippie movement or.......
or..........or.......ahhh fark it I nead another beer.

Well that took off the ground. lol.


Alter boy...  wow, Angelus.  *<:)


 See? Ravin just demonstrated his religion to perfection.  :wink:

Yes. Alterboy. My sidekick. I am Popeman. lol
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 04:21:16 pm
 Oh my.... Popeman?  *<:)    Where are we going... and why are we in this hand basket??  :? :?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 03, 2009, 04:28:16 pm
I dont know, but Im already drunk, yall have some catching up to do.

to the beer store popeman! *<:)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 04:30:56 pm
Quickly..... To the Popemobile! AWAAAAAAAAYYYY!
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 04:32:26 pm
 I haven't been drunk in quite awhile.... It's high time I got shyt-faced.  *<:)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 03, 2009, 04:35:18 pm
Thats the spirit!!

join us join us. <^>

Im starting a cult, or trying to anyway.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 04:39:46 pm
I tend to stay away from from drink these days. Drank my fair share when I was a teen. That plus Im Scottish so my drunken instinct lead me to hitting people because I feel they have offended me with there general presence and having sex with something that may resemble a human female..... if Im lucky.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 04:44:03 pm
 Keep me away from whiskey and tequila, and everything will be a-ok.  :wink:



Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 04:45:21 pm
I have to drink whisky. If I dont Im letting my country down.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 04:45:57 pm
 I can drink it... if you want me to start shyt with a total stranger.  :roll:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 03, 2009, 04:49:32 pm
Im native American, and hell, I dont even know what all else

I know the fealing though, been there a hundred times.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 04:54:23 pm
 Now... I'm not sure if this is allowed, but I believe we could branch off a tiny bit without straying too far from the topic.... What about the devil within ourselves?? Do you think that devil is evil just because it suggests you do 'bad' things?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 04:56:24 pm
No. That means your evil. lol. Just kidding. The devil in us telling us to do bad thing is thought to be the devil himself or one of his demons trying to make you sin so you go to hell and he gets your soul. So yes. He is evil too.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 05:58:30 pm
 But that devil is actually inside you... a part of you. So would you say that it would make you evil as well? Or is "the devil inside you" just an excuse to do the things you really want to do. Like a serial killer blaming things on Satan.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 06:01:28 pm
People are neither good or evil at first. We have the ability to be both. The path you choose decides that. If you act evil then thats what you become. You chose that path. No one forced it on you.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 06:03:55 pm
 I agree 100%. But just because you've chosen one path.. doesn't mean you can't change your mind....  Neither would it mean that you can't be a bit of both at the same time. And sometimes what one perceives as evil, isn't necessarily so.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 06:08:42 pm
True. You can cross between the two sides and there is always a grey area.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 06:13:46 pm
 But how long can you cross between the two sides and play in that gray area? How long until you, yourself become gray...
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 03, 2009, 06:32:48 pm
Is that a bad thing. Being neutral? Taking the best of both sides at your convenience. Doesnt matter whats good or evil but that the job gets done or the fun is had?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 03, 2009, 06:35:04 pm
 No, the gray you speak of wouldn't be bad at all. But I was meaning gray as in you just stop caring which way you do things.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 03, 2009, 08:01:56 pm
i think its natural human instinct, to either be good or evil so we dont need to blame the devil for anything bad we do  :evil:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Grendelion on September 03, 2009, 08:23:15 pm
I guess a lot of this is subject to ones opinion.  The gray area is at its essence pure freedom.  To stray from the "rules" set down by the archetypes associated with the duality of man, and woman, and let raw unbiased instinct guide your actions.

Bear in mind however, that though we are free to break these "rules", we are all still subject to that one universal law of physics, one that plays both sides of the good and evil coin.  Every choice, be it harmless or historic, has a consequence.  The devil is a face a society gives to those who act against these common rules, designed to scare an individual into not straying from the established norm.  The Salem Witch trials being a perfect example of this style of "civilized persecution."  Thankfully we live in an age that's not quite as restrained.

The wrath of God is subject to ones belief.  The wrath of man however is something that is very real.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 04, 2009, 09:43:49 am
very well said Grendelion.

I also agree with Strife, I think our own carnal instincts makes us do "bad" things, not the devil, its the animal that lives in all of us, our dark side is not nececarily dark, only privitave.

as far a serial killers go, I dont know what makes them do what they do, but everything is motive, whether it be money or pleasure, sickness is motive.....where did I hear that before?

but anyway, I like that grey area, and for now thats where I will stay.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 04, 2009, 11:16:27 am
honestly  i think i lean more toward good than evil, but nobody is "completly" good no matter how much we want to believ..... 0:)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 04, 2009, 11:46:18 am
honestly  i think i lean more toward good than evil, but nobody is "completly" good no matter how much we want to believ..... 0:)

  Nor is anyone completely evil, most serial killers have families who know nothing about their darker sides, and those serial killers love their families just as much as anyothers would.  Those outside the family however better beware  :evil: .
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 04, 2009, 12:01:46 pm
haha my thoughts exactly
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 04, 2009, 12:09:31 pm
But how long can you cross between the two sides and play in that gray area? How long until you, yourself become gray...

We're all gray, to some extent... You can't be completely white or black, there's always part of you that isn't. Me, for example, I'm more of a dark gray person; I'm neutral and do things my way, as long as it benefits me. But I'm also leaning toward the dark side a bit... But to say I'm totally black would be a lie, even if I were a serial killer or some genocidal maniac. (Like Muerte said, they have loved ones and just that proves that they've got a bit of good in them.) Same thing with being completely white. To fit the thread's subject, God can't be totally white, or he would've forgiven both humanity and the Devil. And it's not really a bad thing to become totally gray and stop caring. Being completely black wouldn't be a good thing, but being completely white wouldn't be either.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 04, 2009, 12:55:31 pm
thats a damn good point too Kube,

nothing is compleatly good or compleatly evil, it just cant be,

thats why Im grey, I have some balance, I know good from bad, but I will do what is called bad to acheive good, by my standards.....or the other way around, if I nead to, I think if we are true to our selfs, that is good enough,

or not, but who gives a fark, any more followers? lets just get drunk and be somebody, but dont drive.  be a de......driver......what the fark was it?......

crash......burn........

sponcered by,
"the fark it religion, bringing people to hell since 2009"
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 04, 2009, 01:23:19 pm
thats a damn good point too Kube,

nothing is compleatly good or compleatly evil, it just cant be,

thats why Im grey, I have some balance, I know good from bad, but I will do what is called bad to acheive good, by my standards.....or the other way around, if I nead to, I think if we are true to our selfs, that is good enough,

or not, but who gives a fark, any more followers? lets just get drunk and be somebody, but dont drive.  be a de......driver......what the fark was it?......

crash......burn........

sponcered by,
"the fark it religion, bringing people to hell since 2009"

Yes, doing bad to achieve good, that's a great way to put it. It's like asking someone to kill one innocent in order to save a thousand. Killing the innocent person isn't right, for most people, but in the end, a thousand will live, so is it really bad?

Hmmm... the fark it religion... I LIKE IT
(Although you're a little late, I got my VIP pass to Hell a long time ago :-P)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 04, 2009, 01:34:54 pm
im going to hell anyways better enjoy the time while im here  :evil: fark it religion :)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 04, 2009, 08:56:31 pm
 Hmm... I think I'm too old... No one got the hand basket joke. Ah, well.

 I don't know what you'd call me. I'm not white. I'm not black. I'm......... I don't know anymore...
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 04, 2009, 09:53:40 pm
That means you're gray :-P (Logical, don't you think, since we seem to have settled you can't be black or white?)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 05, 2009, 08:20:09 am
i agree with kube six, if your neither white or black, you would have to be gray, and if not gray somewhere inbetween them all....ohh idk  :laugh:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 05, 2009, 05:48:42 pm
 I suppose gray would be right. But some days I feel too numb to be anything.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 05, 2009, 05:59:23 pm
That's the point of accepting your... grayness?, you don't need to be anything :-P You can just look up to the world and say "fark you, world I'll be whoever I want to be" :-D
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 05, 2009, 06:02:46 pm
 Wait... it sounds too simple to be possible................


 I can simply be myself without worrying (to a degree) who I'm offending or who I'm not? Wow........ what a concept. Seriously... I've always had the "I don't give a flying f#ck what you think" attitude... but it was mostly a front. I hid myself so no one would know how deeply some things hurt me. The 'tough girl act" is simply that with me......... 99% act... to keep from getting hurt.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 05, 2009, 06:47:50 pm
I tend to think back on what I do, but only if I personally care about the other person. If it's a stranger or someone I don't care about, I say why bother? I can't get everybody to love me, so I won't try.

I stopped caring what others thought about me when I saw that people in general don't like me. I'm not a people person, I'm not sociable, outgoing or cool. I guess it's just the aura I have. I'm also not the type to go party out, make friends, talk in class, suck at school, sleep around and put up a fake personality for everyone to see, so I let it go and let the world around me fark itself up without my help. I realized that just last year; it's much easier to stop caring than bother feeling hurt. I'm a sensitive person, but I'll use my feelings to better my life and help the ones I care about, not to make strangers I don't care about like me...
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 05, 2009, 07:31:57 pm
 I don't care if everyone likes me ... I do try to get along with people though. If for no other reason than to avoid the drama. I've just...... I dunno what the hell is wrong with me. Nevermind.


 No. The devil isn't necessarily evil just because he's the 'devil'.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 05, 2009, 11:37:46 pm
exactly kadesh thats what i been trying to point out, and i got a very social laid back kinda of attitude kubesix, im like your opposite lol except for stop caring i agree there, its better to stop thinking about how hard life can be and just move on with your life correct? :-D
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 05, 2009, 11:47:24 pm
Exactly! People have the bad habit to try and make everything better all the time.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 06, 2009, 12:34:57 am

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Satan (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Satan)

To be fair. Sez here he started as an agent of gods will testing us mortals. Then the came the Christians who confusedly mistook "lucifer, star of the morning"  Nebuchadnezzar and the serpent in the garden get mixed up in this crap and hence a fusion of the three, known as satan. Fast forward to the middle ages where he turns into an old goat tempting people in the countryside and getting outsmarted by farmers and other smelly pesants lol.

Next the renaissance where he becomes a lawyer.... yeah. the article is so much better than my summary. go read it.

And only during the 19th century where some protestant yahoos (no insult intended... well actually i just wanted to use a derogatory term.)
Where some  (see above)  Turned him into some anti-god...............

Alright so there are a lot of possessions and evil spirits. but damn! This is turning into a game of where is wally if ya know what i mean.


What the hell is satan really?


ANd can someone verify the validity of this article? I'd do it but i just ate a big lunch(mm mm steak and minestrone soup) and need to rest cause i'm a lazy bastard.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 06, 2009, 12:56:59 am
Nebuchadnezzar... Isn't that the name of the hover craft in the Matrix? :-P As for the article, I can't confirm it...
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 06, 2009, 09:06:36 am
honestly the story of the devil and god have been changed so much times, that i think its near impossible to find an old written record, or an original story, in fact i recently found out the story of jesus christ came from egypt, and jerasulam took the man turned him into a "Divine" man gave him all these powers as of "he touches he heals"  he was no doubt a ordinary man, they used him as the figure head to there religion, here is another fact, he wasnt born in december he was born in july, if nobody believes me just look it up, and here is the point of this paragraph, if jesus was indeed made up like that, is it possible the devil was made up the same way? or lemme rephraise that, wasnt made up but "altered" maybe the storys are just altered for christians beliefs, now ill let all you say your piece
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: jordyn on September 06, 2009, 12:46:15 pm
honestly the story of the devil and god have been changed so much times, that i think its near impossible to find an old written record, or an original story, in fact i recently found out the story of jesus christ came from egypt, and jerasulam took the man turned him into a "Divine" man gave him all these powers as of "he touches he heals"  he was no doubt a ordinary man, they used him as the figure head to there religion, here is another fact, he wasnt born in december he was born in july, if nobody believes me just look it up, and here is the point of this paragraph, if jesus was indeed made up like that, is it possible the devil was made up the same way? or lemme rephraise that, wasnt made up but "altered" maybe the storys are just altered for christians beliefs, now ill let all you say your piece

offer some proof, you're claiming what even serious religious philosophers, archeologists and other religious experts like rabbis that have devoted their life to deciphering the religion haven't even yet proven or claimed...atheist propoganda is as factually twisted as they insist the bible is.

http://www.lifeofchrist.com/history/default.asp (http://www.lifeofchrist.com/history/default.asp)

and actually orthodox judaism does have an original story of the devil, as christianity was derived from their beliefs that's where one would find the roots of christianity, Christ was a jew before he was the Son of God...

http://www.lehrhaus.org/catalog/scrolls/scrolls5.html (http://www.lehrhaus.org/catalog/scrolls/scrolls5.html)

the only serious change the devil went through is from an adversary making man prove his worthiness for Divine love and adoration into a romanticized eighteenth century figure inspired from greco roman ideals driven by a greedy and controlling pagan derived church.

so is your post really an honestly or is it more of a personal opinion derived from your experiences and limited research?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 06, 2009, 12:46:48 pm
 You can't believe everything you read in the Bible. Why? Because it was written by men... and men what? Lie. Yes, lie. Man is fallible. And I'm not using the masculine term to be sexist... only because men really did write the bible. Everyone knows women lie more than men anyway.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 06, 2009, 12:59:08 pm
relegions tend to mix, or they have over the centurys. Everything was writen and rewriten, untill you just dont know what the hell to think about any of it.

The devil though, on a christian, or jewish, or muslim point of veiw, is he evil, they say yes but here is the way it actually is.......hypotheticly anyway.

The devil is a powerfull creature made by god, there is no doubt that he is more powerful than any human alive, right?  Then god makes people, and waunts angels, including the devil to take a back seat so to speak.

dose it make him evil, even if its true that he hates humanity? It would be like your landlord coming into your house with a bunch of rats and tell you that you have to take care of them because they are more important than your family. you know people are much more important than farkings rat,.....or are they?

its like that, humans are not even the same species as angels, its like compairing a pitbull to a pissant, and we are the pissants.


thats just some of the bulls**t that is stored in my brain, but it makes sence though dont it,

two posts got made while I was wrighting this but here it is anyway.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: jordyn on September 06, 2009, 01:17:05 pm
You can't believe everything you read in the Bible. Why? Because it was written by men... and men what? Lie. Yes, lie. Man is fallible. And I'm not using the masculine term to be sexist... only because men really did write the bible. Everyone knows women lie more than men anyway.

by that statement you can't believe history either, that to was written by men viewing situations through their eyes and conveying it to the massses...i'm rather surprised how many people in this thread seem to easily discount the heart and mind of a person when it comes to personal faith dismissing it for a book.

as a christian i thought that's what i'm supposed to be doing?

 but i don't place such adamant faith in the bible, for me it's more of a guidebook of demonstrating how to best serve my God and what makes Him most pleased from those who experienced Him before i did, did it well enough to be a timeless example of what He loves most in Man and how to best deal with the hurdles and lessons when presented with them.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 06, 2009, 01:22:21 pm
 If I could read the original text.. the ancient Hebrew version... I'd be more of a believer. But we've lost a lot through translations. And, no, I don't believe everything in the history books either.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 06, 2009, 02:57:12 pm
  Jordyn, welcome back, long time no see.  It's me, it's Muerte, and I too have been away for a while.  It seems fate is dead set on our continued meeting does it not?  It is a pleasure to see you again, though by the end of this I am sure you will agree that the pleasure was all mine.

  First off I would like to address your web sites.  Both are well written, both are collaborated by learned MEN, how ever there is a problem with the things these MEN have written.  These MEN are biased in their research.  Yes Jordyn they are biased.  Oh they write it is from an educated stand point but please.  Any religious man or woman worth their salt is not just libal to bend the truth, they are certain to do it.  The history of Christianity is full of adaptations to make happen what they want, you want proof?  OK, here is just one example.

  Here are several possible dates of the birth of Christ, all written by learned religious representatives and with "facts" to back it all up.

  http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/christbirthday.html (http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/christbirthday.html)

  http://www.abetterhope.com/hope/birthday.html (http://www.abetterhope.com/hope/birthday.html)

  http://www.utopia-net.org/English/0417jesus1.html (http://www.utopia-net.org/English/0417jesus1.html)

  Why did they pick 25 Dec?  To debunk Santa, at least that is the popular belief.

  My My My.  Can anybody tell me why Christianity is unable to get it's collective act together and agree on something so simple?  Something that should obviously be a corner stone, a lynch pin to it's basis of foundation?  Hell, Christians are even unable to figure out which way to worship Christ.  Does anybody know the exact number of denominations there are the worship Christ?  Let see, there are Catholics, Baptist, Presbyterian, Jehovah Witness, Church of Christ, ect....  So tell me, which one is right, or are they all right.  Correct me if I am wrong but each one says all others are not following the teachings of Christ correctly.  Especially Catholics and Baptist, go ahead stick two representatives from each into a room to argue theology and see where that goes.

  Now let me ask you this.  Who wrote the bible?  Was it God?  Not to my knowledge, no it was brought about to consolidate the power of a bright if not manipulative Roman emperor and his Nicaea council in an attempt to consolidate the power of the church, worked rather well wouldn't you say?  Did God ever come down and say "I want you to write all of my works into a book and use it to make your lives better"  No, that didn't happen.  God did write rules for how to live a righteous life, God wrote them on two stone tablets, and they were written by Gods own hand, that is if you can believe the bible of course.  Now can we believe it as fact?  We could, if we could find the remains of them.

  To  :focus: is the Devil evil?  Who knows, all's we have to go on is what the oh so reliable Christian doctrine tells us, because they are sooooo trust worthy.  What exactly happened, hmmmmm, was it Lucifer (one of many names I could choose from as Christianity can not even agree on that little tidbit of information) attempted to stand up and question God and then received a cosmic lady slap for his effort.  Who knows, again, all we have to go on is what the church chooses to tell us, and again they are sooooooo trust worthy.  Am I bashing Christianity?  Not really, but I am questioning it, as any man/woman who has the ability to think for themselves should do.  Anyone who accepts what is set before them without questioning it deserves the fall that will inevitably come when faith is tested and it fails them.  The question was brought forth as an attempt to understand something, not to debunk anything.  Is it opinion?  Sure it is, but so is the it just an opinion that God truly exist, while I have no proof that God does not exist neither do I have proof the God does exist.  Religion, all religion comes from mans attempt to understand something that is beyond his/her comprehension, and Christianity is no exception.

  I will stop here as I am now hearing a rather loud ringing in my ears, hmmm someone must be talking about me.  Hope you all have enjoyed this post as much as I have, can't wait to hear from you all in the very near future.

                                                                                                                                                             Yours Truly
                                                                                                                                                                   Muerte.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 06, 2009, 03:15:01 pm
 Where is the applauding smiley when you need it?? That... was brilliance. Religion to me is what I personally believe. They all call themselves something different and say the others are wrong.. but they all have a similar basis. A god. A Creator. Alpha and Omega... who said it has to be one person. I was raised on the bible by my grandmother, and even she is finding out that things she thought to be true, aren't necessarily so. There are so many ways to take what it says... our own interpretation on the interpretation of someone thousands of years ago. 

 Another opinion... the devil can't be good or evil.. because he is only a voice in our heads... right? Wouldn't that just make the devil and god our conscience? Or is it that our conscience is made up of the devil and god? :roll:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 06, 2009, 03:29:34 pm
Where is the applauding smiley when you need it?? That... was brilliance. Religion to me is what I personally believe. They all call themselves something different and say the others are wrong.. but they all have a similar basis. A god. A Creator. Alpha and Omega... who said it has to be one person. I was raised on the bible by my grandmother, and even she is finding out that things she thought to be true, aren't necessarily so. There are so many ways to take what it says... our own interpretation on the interpretation of someone thousands of years ago. 

 Another opinion... the devil can't be good or evil.. because he is only a voice in our heads... right? Wouldn't that just make the devil and god our conscience? Or is it that our conscience is made up of the devil and god? :roll:

  Ohhh, the angel demon on the shoulder routine.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 06, 2009, 03:32:53 pm
 That's what god and the devil have always made me think of. One telling me good, the other bad. But sometimes the best thing to do is what neither of them will say.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 06, 2009, 04:26:49 pm
Very nicely said, i got nothing to add.......
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 06, 2009, 04:35:44 pm
 I do!

 If both of these 'beings' are inside my head... wouldn't they actually be a part of me and cease to exist elsewhere? Thereby making the theories about god and satan null and void... or simply solidifying that we, ourselves are responsible for our actions and we can be evil, good, or gray.............
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Grendelion on September 06, 2009, 06:06:49 pm
By my view, God and the Devil aren't inside your head, their influence is.  Its their teachings, their viewpoints and morals(or lack thereof) that drive your actions.  Deciding whether or not these figures are actual entities that live on some alternate plane of existence(or all of them simultaneously) is of course a matter of faith.

by that statement you can't believe history either, that to was written by men viewing situations through their eyes and conveying it to the massses...i'm rather surprised how many people in this thread seem to easily discount the heart and mind of a person when it comes to personal faith dismissing it for a book.

Jordyn, written history is more often than not backed up by archaeological evidence.  Show me Noah's Ark, The Holy Grail, Eden, all that stuff mentioned in the Bible that Indiana Jones has no problem finding, yet we in the real world can't.  Believe me, I'd love it if many of these tales were true word for word, but the fact remains so far that they are not.  The bible is not a historical textbook, more like a moral guidebook.  Each tale has its own little "life lesson" to it similar to, though not the same as, Aesops Fables.  Some historical locales and figures are included, but overall the stories were designed to "illuminate" the reader in the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, duality and choice, etc.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.  Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"
-Mahatma Ghandi
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 06, 2009, 06:59:27 pm
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.  Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"
-Mahatma Gandhi




 Truer words were never spoken.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 06, 2009, 08:44:54 pm
i like that saying
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Ryobi on September 07, 2009, 12:06:36 am
I've had a bit of time to think about this one and although I do still agree with my first theory on what the Devil represents I'd also like to add something else.

'The Devil/Lucifer/Satan' is a creation of organised religion, this may mean the being exists, it may not but that's beside the point. The question is whether he is evil or not and according to the creators of 'The Devil' he is the embodiment of evil.

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First off I would like to address your web sites.  Both are well written, both are collaborated by learned MEN, how ever there is a problem with the things these MEN have written.  These MEN are biased in their research.  Yes Jordyn they are biased.  Oh they write it is from an educated stand point but please.  Any religious man or woman worth their salt is not just libal to bend the truth, they are certain to do it.  The history of Christianity is full of adaptations to make happen what they want, you want proof?  OK, here is just one example.

Meurte what you have written is by a learned man but you are BIASED. Yes Meurte BIASED! Therefore anything you say should be taken with a grain of salt, nay MANY grains of salt, in fact you're proof is BIASED as well, why should I take any of it into account at all, seeing as it is biased, my goodness!

Everyone is biased in some way Meurte, please don't state the obvious. Instead, tell us why they are biased, is it because they are christian? If it is so, then we shall take into account that they have studied religious sources from a pro-christian perspective in the past. This makes nothing they say or any references they have used obsolete.

The reason christianity picked the 25th of December as the birth of christ is because the scholars of the time were mostly astrologers and magi (babylon was the knowledge centre at the time), in which case many of their 'premonitions' would have come from studying the patterns of celestial bodies in the sky. The star in the east is Sirius, coincidentally brightest star in the night sky (as venus is not actually a star). Which, on December 24th, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt (the 3 Kings). These 4 stars point like an arrow to the sunrise on 25th of December. In other words, Three Kings followed the Star of the East to the birth of the sun.

The virgin mary is most likely the constellation of Virgo the ancient glyph for Virgo is an "m". This would explain why Mary along with other virgin mothers, such as Adonis's mother Myrrha, or Buddha's mother Maya begin with an M. Strangely enough Virgo is also referred to much more traditionally as the 'House of Bread'. Bethlehem translates literally to 'house of bread', this means the place is meant in reference to somewhere in the sky, not here.

The bible I agree is not an accurate depiction of real life events on earth however they do correlate quite accurately with certain celestial events at the time and I do believe that this personification of celestial bodies is carried throughout the bible along with many references to the practice of Astrology.

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Let see, there are Catholics, Baptist, Presbyterian, Jehovah Witness, Church of Christ, ect....  So tell me, which one is right, or are they all right.  Correct me if I am wrong but each one says all others are not following the teachings of Christ correctly.  Especially Catholics and Baptist, go ahead stick two representatives from each into a room to argue theology and see where that goes.

Well, you see although organised religion is very BIASED towards their own personal beliefs. Due to a certain thing called faith which makes them very pro-whatever group they support and at times quite against other belief systems. The underlying story and religious figures have enough linking similarities that maybe the phrase 'every lie starts with a grain of truth' should be noted as support for this 'story':

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Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected. Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected. Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the "King of Kings," "God's Only Begotten Son," "The Alpha and Omega," and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected. Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as "The Truth," "The Light," and many others. Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.


Horus was born on December 25th, his mother was Isis- Meri who was a virgin. According to myth when he was born a star in the East was present and 3 kings followed this star in order to locate Horus. He was a teacher of the people at a young age and at 30 he was baptized by Anup and went into the ministry. He had 12 disciples, and was known publicly by many names such as; The Truth, The Light, God's Annointed Son, The Good Shepherd and The Lamb of God. After being betrayed by a guy called Typhon, he was crucified, buried for 3 days and then came back to life.

Due to so many intertwined references to the same dates and astronomical events, linking with the polytheistic mindset of the time, leads one to believe that this really may have happened, in at least one context.

Personally, I am of the belief that as something is above, it is below and that the signs in the sky at the time depicted real events happening on earth at the time or events that would arise (AKA transits). Now Meurte, I would like admit that this is how I roll and therefore it is a personal belief system, I was raised Mormon, I still am quite religious and pro-christianity and this is how I am... how do you put it? BIASED.

(sorry pet peeve of mine)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Angelus on September 07, 2009, 05:33:48 am
I've had a bit of time to think about this one and although I do still agree with my first theory on what the Devil represents I'd also like to add something else.

'The Devil/Lucifer/Satan' is a creation of organised religion, this may mean the being exists, it may not but that's beside the point. The question is whether he is evil or not and according to the creators of 'The Devil' he is the embodiment of evil.

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First off I would like to address your web sites.  Both are well written, both are collaborated by learned MEN, how ever there is a problem with the things these MEN have written.  These MEN are biased in their research.  Yes Jordyn they are biased.  Oh they write it is from an educated stand point but please.  Any religious man or woman worth their salt is not just libal to bend the truth, they are certain to do it.  The history of Christianity is full of adaptations to make happen what they want, you want proof?  OK, here is just one example.

Meurte what you have written is by a learned man but you are BIASED. Yes Meurte BIASED! Therefore anything you say should be taken with a grain of salt, nay MANY grains of salt, in fact you're proof is BIASED as well, why should I take any of it into account at all, seeing as it is biased, my goodness!

Everyone is biased in some way Meurte, please don't state the obvious. Instead, tell us why they are biased, is it because they are christian? If it is so, then we shall take into account that they have studied religious sources from a pro-christian perspective in the past. This makes nothing they say or any references they have used obsolete.

The reason christianity picked the 25th of December as the birth of christ is because the scholars of the time were mostly astrologers and magi (babylon was the knowledge centre at the time), in which case many of their 'premonitions' would have come from studying the patterns of celestial bodies in the sky. The star in the east is Sirius, coincidentally brightest star in the night sky (as venus is not actually a star). Which, on December 24th, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt (the 3 Kings). These 4 stars point like an arrow to the sunrise on 25th of December. In other words, Three Kings followed the Star of the East to the birth of the sun.

The virgin mary is most likely the constellation of Virgo the ancient glyph for Virgo is an "m". This would explain why Mary along with other virgin mothers, such as Adonis's mother Myrrha, or Buddha's mother Maya begin with an M. Strangely enough Virgo is also referred to much more traditionally as the 'House of Bread'. Bethlehem translates literally to 'house of bread', this means the place is meant in reference to somewhere in the sky, not here.

The bible I agree is not an accurate depiction of real life events on earth however they do correlate quite accurately with certain celestial events at the time and I do believe that this personification of celestial bodies is carried throughout the bible along with many references to the practice of Astrology.

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Let see, there are Catholics, Baptist, Presbyterian, Jehovah Witness, Church of Christ, ect....  So tell me, which one is right, or are they all right.  Correct me if I am wrong but each one says all others are not following the teachings of Christ correctly.  Especially Catholics and Baptist, go ahead stick two representatives from each into a room to argue theology and see where that goes.

Well, you see although organised religion is very BIASED towards their own personal beliefs. Due to a certain thing called faith which makes them very pro-whatever group they support and at times quite against other belief systems. The underlying story and religious figures have enough linking similarities that maybe the phrase 'every lie starts with a grain of truth' should be noted as support for this 'story':

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Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected. Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected. Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the "King of Kings," "God's Only Begotten Son," "The Alpha and Omega," and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected. Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as "The Truth," "The Light," and many others. Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.


Horus was born on December 25th, his mother was Isis- Meri who was a virgin. According to myth when he was born a star in the East was present and 3 kings followed this star in order to locate Horus. He was a teacher of the people at a young age and at 30 he was baptized by Anup and went into the ministry. He had 12 disciples, and was known publicly by many names such as; The Truth, The Light, God's Annointed Son, The Good Shepherd and The Lamb of God. After being betrayed by a guy called Typhon, he was crucified, buried for 3 days and then came back to life.

Due to so many intertwined references to the same dates and astronomical events, linking with the polytheistic mindset of the time, leads one to believe that this really may have happened, in at least one context.

Personally, I am of the belief that as something is above, it is below and that the signs in the sky at the time depicted real events happening on earth at the time or events that would arise (AKA transits). Now Meurte, I would like admit that this is how I roll and therefore it is a personal belief system, I was raised Mormon, I still am quite religious and pro-christianity and this is how I am... how do you put it? BIASED.

(sorry pet peeve of mine)

Most religions have the same or similar stories which all probably originate from the one source. Thats well documented and accepted within the historical community. The christian holidays were all placed over similar festivals from other religions to make it easier to integrate other people into christianity. i.e "Oh, your religion is correct..... almost. Heres how it really happened.....". That is also well documented and accepted within historical communities. If you want to get technical Jesus' birthday would have been around spring/summer according to astronomers. I am a Catholic and do not want to step on your beliefs as mine are as strong as yours and I do believe in Jesus Christ and God but Im afraid thats scientifically accepted and most probably true. :focus:

As has been said many times before in this conversation, any religions depiction of the antichrist is evil because that particular religion depicts what its outlines for good and evil are.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 07, 2009, 12:49:37 pm
  Yes dear yours along with mine is BIASED.  Never said that my opinion was not.  as a matter of fact what I believe about religion would probably really make you go off, which is why I still hold that opinion close to my chest.  I never said you should follow my ideas, I leave such arrogance to the church.  By all means take what I have to say with a grain of salt, hell, suck down a whole mine of it if that is a persons desire, but take it into account.  The point I am trying to make is this.

  When Jesus spoke, he did not do it from a temple?  No his temple was the world, he did not ask for money, he asked that you help others, he did not condem a person for not agreeing with him, instead he loved that person with his whole being, in other words, he was exactly the opposite of how our Christians today act, Hell, He condemned some of the churches/temples he came across (early religion abusing power?).  I will refer you to Ghandi's statement (I'll not retype it as it has been so many times before as I am sure you already know which one I refer to).

  Why are religions biased?  I think that in itself would be obvious.  When one grows up being taught and believing wholeheartedly in a certain idea, they DO NOT want to see that idea challenged much less disproved (no I am not out to disprove religion, only to question its inconsistencies‘).  Going further, ALOT of religious men and women develop a fervor about their ideas, and see it as their divine duty to push it onto their fellow man ( I am not including you dear, but it does happen, and frequently, go to an airport, see how many tracts you collect).  Now, go to a church, pick any church, make a few friends, get to know them, and see if they practice what they preach (to include the reverend, pastor, father, ect..)  You'll be surprised at just how many hypocrites there are to attend Gods house.  I have done this many times over the years (yes it does take a month or so, but that is the way with research)  You know how many true Christians I have found in the past 17 years?  3  only 3, and they I respect greatly, for they truly do practice what they preach.  As for the rest..... well, judgment comes for all.  At least I know I'll deserve what ever I receive, for I have never made pretence about what or who I am.

  The reason for Dec. 25 being chosen (can not stress the word chosen enough) while interesting is really besides the point, I added the Santa reason just as a barb.  The point I am trying to make is that it is a lie, a lie endorsed by the church.  The day a person is born is the day he/she is born, there is no getting around that point.  The reasoning behind why it was changed is moot, don't we after all raise our children not to lie, because it is wrong and God does not abide a liar? ( here I refer you to something God did write, the 9th commandment, broken down it means DO NOT LIE)  If we hold children to such a stricture, should we not also do so for the church, the guiding light for our salvation?  Or do we follow its example and simple change things to better suit our needs?  Do we avoid the truth because it does not fit our needs?

  The last part, about how the bible was organized using astrology is an intriguing one.  Does this mean the bible had to reach outside the divine in order to make sense of something they didn't understand?  And every lie does start with a grain of truth.  The letter/notes from the apostles which were chosen (there is that word again, funny isn't it?) while at the time were accurate, are by no means what we have today.  I look at it as akin to the whisper game.  You whisper something in your neighbors ear, let it go around the room, and see what you end up with.  It is never the same message.  So the many bibles we have to date, well I can take none of them seriously, sorry, just can not do it.

  I only accept what is irrefutable proven as true, nothing less will suffice.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Ryobi on September 07, 2009, 06:23:25 pm
Thankyou Angelus for your support, however I was talking about a group of stars not the planets modern astronomers think the bible refers to. They believe that the Star the wise men followed was caused by a conjunction of Venus and Jupiter crossing into Leo? No?

I say that the Christmas story wasn't told about a baby being born but about Sirius meeting the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt, in a pattern that points towards the sun on what we now call Christmas.

Two quite different theories and both are supported by historical text to an extent.

And Meurte, I do agree with you, the majority of organised religion was built on warped foundations (to put it metaphorically) however I don't believe that the original bible was a lie (as I've said) but simply misinterpreted, like many if not all religious text.

I don't refer to organised religion as the base of religion either but simply a place to start in blind faith because we can't travel back in time, you can point out inconsistency after inconsistency Meurte, I can theorise about why such things as the bible were written, neither of us get closer to the answer and it makes neither of us right. The underlying story may still be truth though, in fact I agree with you when you say, it is. We simply lack the sources at present to find the answer.

Ironically science will probably be the thing that proves religion in the end.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 07, 2009, 07:03:27 pm
Ironically science will probably be the thing that proves religion in the end.

  True, after all both science and religion want the answer to the same thing. 

  And just so everyone else knows, I will say it here and now, I can hear your thoughts floating around in the aether.  Neither Ryobi nor I won or lost in our previous discussion.  It was never about winning or loosing to me, but about the debate.  I did enjoy it Ryobi, and perhaps in the future we may once again take opposing stances, too long has it been since I have found a worthy debater.  Moonbaby was such a one but alas....  Now I await once of the infrequent visits from Jordyn, I do so enjoy my conversations with her, though I have heard she has toned down from her earlier years here on Monstrous, what a shame.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: onishadowolf on September 07, 2009, 07:25:49 pm
I got to say it, the Devil is the alter ego of God. God has a spilt personality. Look at the story of Job. The Devil showed god powers and when they talked to each other it seemed like a mental debate. So if the Devil is God and God is the Devil, than the Devil is not evil. Just throwing that out there.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 07, 2009, 07:27:41 pm
I got to say it, the Devil is the alter ego of God. God has a spilt personality. Look at the story of Job. The Devil showed god powers and when they talked to each other it seemed like a mental debate. So if the Devil is God and God is the Devil, than the Devil is not evil. Just throwing that out there.

  Great, so god is a loose cannon gone bipolar, no wonder we are all gonna die in 2012.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: onishadowolf on September 07, 2009, 07:44:36 pm
Maybe. Or just lonely.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 07, 2009, 07:51:38 pm
  So he got lonely and created an imaginary friend that's going to kill us all?  Jeez, thanks God, appreciate that.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: onishadowolf on September 07, 2009, 07:54:51 pm
Yep, you got it.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 07, 2009, 07:57:43 pm
 At least my imaginary friend wants to be friends with people. It's me that wants to kill everyone...  :-fly)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 12, 2009, 11:02:35 am
We are all imaginary friends in the eyes of the lord......... some how i like that better than the original version.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 12, 2009, 01:22:44 pm
To answer the question: DEVIL
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 12, 2009, 01:38:47 pm
To answer the question: DEVIL

You're right, the word devil signifies an evil spirit, but he was called that precisely by those who think he's evil. We're debating whether or not he should be called that.

But DEVIL isn't much of an explanation, proof or justification. I could use GOD = DOG as a counter-argument.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 12, 2009, 03:09:37 pm
To answer the question: DEVIL

You're right, the word devil signifies an evil spirit, but he was called that precisely by those who think he's evil. We're debating whether or not he should be called that.

But DEVIL isn't much of an explanation, proof or justification. I could use GOD = DOG as a counter-argument.

  True, the purpose to what we do here is attempt to make sence of the unknown.  I know others before have tried and there will be others after us, but if what we discuss here helps others in the future, then it is not a wasted effort so please, if you wish to contribute to the conversation contribute with facts or even opinions, but make sure they are thought out opinions.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on September 12, 2009, 03:49:30 pm
I know the devils true name, its Jack Danniels.

Ive killed the bastard many times, but he keaps coming back
and hes not evil untill the next day.

Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 12, 2009, 03:50:59 pm
Using God-Dog here doesnt apply cause its a mirror case.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 12, 2009, 04:42:01 pm
Using God-Dog here doesnt apply cause its a mirror case.

  Though it is another way to simply manipulate a word to get a differing meaning.  Words do not make one evil, neither do names, it is the deed which should be judged.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 12, 2009, 04:45:00 pm
I bet you think Devil is a nice guy.  :-D

Words actualy have their meanings and energies they carry with their pronaunciation. To not acknowledge that is plain stupid.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 12, 2009, 04:49:50 pm
I bet you think Devil is a nice guy. Or Master?  :-D

  No one is my master, and I do not care if anyone is a nice guy.  The point of this thread is to figure out if devil is actually evil.  Have you read the entire thing yet?  Please read it and then tell us if you think the devil is evil.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Ryobi on September 12, 2009, 06:37:48 pm
Banshee in the site rules it says this:

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Signatures and avatars should not contain excessively gory, violent, sexually oriented, drug related, overly distracting or offensive content.

Also, I don't really know what your point is but if it's what I think it is, then I agree  :wink:.

The devil may be a human concept, however the forces he represents; the name of them is 'evil', the name 'devil' is what we attribute to him. There isn't a mystery behind it, this is like saying, oh we shouldn't call that thing a table because it could be used as a chair. We should call all tables chairs as well and all chairs tables, because you can do 'table things' on them.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 12, 2009, 06:42:19 pm
I bet you think Devil is a nice guy.  :-D

Words actualy have their meanings and energies they carry with their pronaunciation. To not acknowledge that is plain stupid.

Why, yes I do. Compared to how the tales make God look, he looks like a person I'd want to hang out with. He spoke his mind and favored knowledge over obedience. What did he get for it? Exile. That makes God look like a spoiled little kid who just wants to control everything, don't you think? (That, I quote from someone else, I think it was on this thread, but I can't seem to find it. Someone said something about God seeming an arrogant brat or something like that.)

And words having power and adequate meaning is not necessarily true. Lucifer means "Light Bearer" or "Morning Star". "Demon" has its roots in the proto-indo-european term "Deiwos" which meant "Celestial", "Bright", or "Shining". So what gives the word "Devil" any power? It's like saying someone called Alexander will be a heavy-built good-willing cop because his name means "Defender". I read somewhere (Don't remember where exactly) that Angels used to be put in the general term of "Demon".
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 13, 2009, 05:16:38 am
I dont think Devil is BAd same as i dont see god good. Their purpose is not of any aliance, it is us who are really important here. They are just figures that lead us towards our destiny.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Ryobi on September 13, 2009, 05:26:57 am
It's like saying someone called Alexander will be a heavy-built good-willing cop because his name means "Defender". I read somewhere (Don't remember where exactly) that Angels used to be put in the general term of "Demon".

No, it isn't. The name Alexander means nothing but 'the name of a boy' in modern context. However 'Devil' is the name of a singular religious entity and it is not what the name means but the entity who is called by that name that represents evil.

And Banshee I will ask you again to obey the rules of the forum by changing your avatar. Those rules are in place for many extremely good reasons. One of those reasons is to make sure that other people's stays here enjoyable and unworrying. At the moment, that avatar makes that difficult for some.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 13, 2009, 05:39:23 am
Ok, I thought that would be proper for a forum named MONSTROUS, I apologize again. Im on it as we speak.


better now?  :-D
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Ryobi on September 13, 2009, 05:44:24 am
Thankyou so, so, so much Banshee.  :lol:

And I must commend you on your taste, that right there is a beautiful avatar.

Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 13, 2009, 05:48:00 am
Thanks, i think she really is a beauty too. :-D
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 13, 2009, 08:30:38 am
 She's right Banshee, it is a beautiful avatar, and we thank you for changing it.

I dont think Devil is BAd same as i dont see god good. Their purpose is not of any aliance, it is us who are really important here. They are just figures that lead us towards our destiny.

 I have to agree with Banshee here... neither seems to be necessarily good or evil. They are portrayed that way, but how many times has someone seen something God has allowed to happen as bad or evil??
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 13, 2009, 08:37:22 am
Thank you!  :-D


And my point exactly.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 13, 2009, 11:01:34 am
It's like saying someone called Alexander will be a heavy-built good-willing cop because his name means "Defender". I read somewhere (Don't remember where exactly) that Angels used to be put in the general term of "Demon".

No, it isn't. The name Alexander means nothing but 'the name of a boy' in modern context. However 'Devil' is the name of a singular religious entity and it is not what the name means but the entity who is called by that name that represents evil.

And Banshee I will ask you again to obey the rules of the forum by changing your avatar. Those rules are in place for many extremely good reasons. One of those reasons is to make sure that other people's stays here enjoyable and unworrying. At the moment, that avatar makes that difficult for some.

But you miss my point.

Banshee said words have power. If words such as "Demon" have an 'evil' influence over the figure they represent, the same thing should apply to any name. After all, the word Demon or Devil is just another name like Alexander. Alexander isn't simply the "name of a boy" it's a name that signifies protection and that's how it used to be seen when it was first used in the language in which it actually closely related to the word "defender". look it up; every name has a meaning, it can be quite interesting. But just because humans gave an entity a name with evil meaning, does that really mean anything? And if the Devil really is evil, why was he called an Angel before he became the Devil? Are we to say the word Angel also makes its respective figure evil, just like Devil, because one used to be the other?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 13, 2009, 11:42:24 am
Yes, but what about evil angels and good demons then? There are cultures that have both. How do you explain that?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 13, 2009, 12:35:15 pm
Yes, but what about evil angels and good demons then? There are cultures that have both. How do you explain that?

No, Banshee, how do you explain that? You're the one who said these names had power, I said they did not, and so, my version of the thing justifies good demons and evil angels. (Even if there's no such thing as good or evil, but for the purpose of the thread, let's pretend there is.)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 13, 2009, 02:14:42 pm
All i was trying to say is that, maybe we humans dont know the real meaning of all words?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 13, 2009, 02:16:09 pm
All i was trying to say is that, maybe we humans dont know the real meaning of all words?

You forget we made up those words. Unless you think god, if such a being exists, would speak English :-P? How could we invent words without knowing their meaning?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 13, 2009, 02:22:39 pm
 If God speaks anything.... SHE speaks Latin. Why, you ask? Because I said so. *<:)



 I threw the She in there just to be funny. I really do think God is a man... it's satan that's a woman. :evil:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 13, 2009, 02:42:50 pm
If God speaks anything.... SHE speaks Latin. Why, you ask? Because I said so. *<:)



 I threw the She in there just to be funny. I really do think God is a man... it's satan that's a woman. :evil:

Like George Carlin said: Only a man could've screwed up as much as God did. :-P
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 13, 2009, 02:45:02 pm
 There's another comedian that says God is either woman or gay because of all the color combos in fish and all the pretty scenery. *<:)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 13, 2009, 03:22:16 pm
hahahaha i like this one  *<:)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 13, 2009, 03:28:45 pm
 Personally, I think Satan... aka, the Devil... is female. Evil? Again... not necessarily. Perhaps viewed as so because there always has to be two sides to a coin. If God is good.... that would make the Devil evil.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 13, 2009, 03:37:43 pm
I think that each polarity has its two sides. One for male energy, one for female energy. So, that would mean that both god or satan have their female selves. There is yin and yang, light and darkness, day and night, good and evil, in everything and everybody.


aslo, i have a question: do people go to hell (  :roll: lets play for now that there really is one) cause they are evil or cause of the choice they made?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 13, 2009, 03:45:53 pm
 I believe it would be both. If you make 'bad' choices all your life, wouldn't that make you 'evil'?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 13, 2009, 03:50:05 pm
Yeah, someone would be considered "evil" because of choices they've made. If not, then what would even make someone evil in the first place?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 13, 2009, 03:56:17 pm
 Being born the Antichrist? *<:)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 13, 2009, 03:59:38 pm
But, what if someone has the best intention, and all that someone does is a havoc in the end which would hurt a lot of people, and many would say that person is evil?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Moloch on September 13, 2009, 07:18:34 pm
Ahhh, suddenly I have a vision of the christian god as some freak who is male on one side of his profile, then, when he turns to the other side, he has a female profile...

Also, "Devil" stands for the religious entity only if the "d" is capitalized. In the event that it is not, it can refer to any number or type of malevolent or heathen creatures.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 14, 2009, 12:43:53 am
To answer the question: DEVIL

Aw great DEVIL= Da' Evil.

Ergo people were just too lazy to write "the evil."
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 14, 2009, 01:08:06 am
Finally someone who got my silly letter joke!  :lol:

Ok i admit im not the best in making jokes, but that doesnt keep me from trying  :-D
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Whitedrake on September 14, 2009, 02:16:40 am
Id guess that the devil is kind of like a disgruntled employee. God didnt give him the promotion he wanted, and so after eons of workin for this man he dosnt get this promotion and just goes apes**t. Post office principle, but on a bigger scale with two armies on either side. So if we assume from the original post that Lucifers original post has him punishing the wicked, then would it be safe to assume thats all he really knew. Therefore, he would be compelled to do so, however he wants to start his own business where hes the boss, so he cant rightly call it heaven can he? i mean thats gotta have a copyright. so he calls it hell, slaps on some fire, paints himself red and BOOM, he's in business.

Now, in all seriousness, i dont know whether Lucifer is evil, but if we look at the book of Job, then we see that Lucifer actually converses with God, in Heaven. God says "See this guy Job, that guy just loves me" Devil says "bet i can change that" God says bring it. So id say that hes there to keep us on our toes. Maybe there is another evil out there, that isnt described in the Bible?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 14, 2009, 02:38:30 am
Very good point you got there Whitedrake, a very good point!
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Whitedrake on September 14, 2009, 02:45:33 am
Take note im not saying there isnt a greater evil out there,a Devil. Im just saying that Lucifer may not be it. The Holy Bible has gone through many edits before getting where it is now, take that into consideration when consulting it. God gaves us free will, and men could have altered that text to suit their own needs. I submit that hell was not created by God, but possibly it is a construct of another being, one who preys on the morally wretched of existence. Think of Lucifer as a test, if you fail his tests you can still redeem yourself but it puts you that much closer to truely evil things.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 14, 2009, 03:12:32 am
Yeah, it always confused me cause Lucifer means something like "bearer of Light" and Light is good sooo... you can see my confusion there   :roll:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Whitedrake on September 14, 2009, 03:26:15 am
well if i remember correctly, he was Gods favorite before the fall.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Ryobi on September 14, 2009, 03:52:44 am
Lucifer also refers to the Bringer of Light or the Morning Star. This would link Lucifer to Venus as Venus is also seen as the Morning Star?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 14, 2009, 04:20:01 am
I think that is right. a good student.  :lol:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Moloch on September 14, 2009, 04:34:51 am
Lucifer also refers to the Bringer of Light or the Morning Star. This would link Lucifer to Venus as Venus is also seen as the Morning Star?

No, not "Morning Star" - it's "MOURNING Star".
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Ryobi on September 14, 2009, 04:43:58 am
Lucifer also refers to the Bringer of Light or the Morning Star. This would link Lucifer to Venus as Venus is also seen as the Morning Star?

No, not "Morning Star" - it's "MOURNING Star".

Are you joking or could you expand please? Because as far as I knew, it was Morning Star...
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 14, 2009, 04:45:24 am
no its not:

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Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", that was used as a name for the "day star" or "morning star" that precedes the rising of the sun.


wikipedia


i know, i just luv to quote  :-D
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Moloch on September 14, 2009, 10:35:35 am
He has also been referred to in some texts as the "Star of Mourning"; referring back to his rebellion and subsequent fall. He has been so called because of the mourning of god when he fell from grace. Personally, the two are probably interchangeable.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 14, 2009, 11:00:25 am
Ok how many theories do we have as of the moment? Can anyone here post a summary?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 14, 2009, 11:06:29 am
it would be a long ass summer lol
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 14, 2009, 11:12:08 am
it would be a long ass summer lol

Longer than your spelling score. Anyway.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on September 14, 2009, 11:28:06 am
oh come on man......that isnt cool at all, i see where my mistake was, but thats just one mistake.......
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 14, 2009, 11:46:51 am
What are you talking about? All I'm saying is "There are just that many theories." :wink:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 15, 2009, 11:24:24 am
no its not:

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Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", that was used as a name for the "day star" or "morning star" that precedes the rising of the sun.


wikipedia


i know, i just luv to quote  :-D

To post content on Wikipedia, you need sources. If not, it's considered vandalism and the changes are undone. Along with that, the vandal is banned from Wikipedia... (Yeah, I tried.. Got my high school's network banned :-P) In other words, people need to trust that site a little more. You can see the sources at the end of the articles.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 16, 2009, 09:32:15 pm
  An entity other than Lucifer.  If this were plausible, then that could mean there is an entity that is Gods equal, it has just never been mentioned before.  Why?  Because a being that represents itself as the "ALL" would not want to acknowledge another being that wielded such power, that would undermine its authority.  It causes me to wonder what such a being could be and if there could be some reference hidden somewhere.  After all, an entity that could stand against God would find a way to get to us would it not?


  Personaly I would like to see what the other one has to offer.  I see our current choice and it leaves me feeling wanting.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 17, 2009, 04:42:07 pm
I hear the Vatican Secret Archives has lots of books they wouldn't want you to read. If such texts exist, they'd most likely be there or in long forgotten ruins I think..
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on September 17, 2009, 09:50:09 pm
I hear the Vatican Secret Archives has lots of books they wouldn't want you to read. If such texts exist, they'd most likely be there or in long forgotten ruins I think..

  And the truth of that statement is what makes it so vexing, at least it did when I was younger, so at age 16 I decided to join the military immediately after graduation.  Not because I didn't want college, but because I knew that I would need both time and money to pursue my quest for the truth.  I will retire at age 39 ladies and gentlemen, and then I will have all of the time I need in my quest for the truth.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Grendelion on September 18, 2009, 01:48:55 pm
  An entity other than Lucifer.  If this were plausible, then that could mean there is an entity that is Gods equal, it has just never been mentioned before.  Why?  Because a being that represents itself as the "ALL" would not want to acknowledge another being that wielded such power, that would undermine its authority.  It causes me to wonder what such a being could be and if there could be some reference hidden somewhere.  After all, an entity that could stand against God would find a way to get to us would it not?

Unless he were dead.  This does seem to bring to mind the various stories of one brother killing the other scattered throughout history and mythology.  Cain and Abel, Romulus and Remus, The Egyptian god Set killing Osiris, etc.  Who knows? :?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 20, 2009, 06:03:10 pm
 Here's something for everyone to chew on....

 The Devil is 'evil' to society at large. Santa is the epitome of all that is good and wholesome to society at large. What's the difference between that fat bastard and Satan? The 'N' is in a different spot.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 24, 2009, 06:07:54 pm
Here's a little something we discussed in philosophy class today:

Anguish, desire and all other feelings that make mortals take decisions are caused by their knowledge of their eventual death. Because they know they're going to die some day, and death is the ultimate certainty of every mortal's life, their lives worry them and they try to make it better all the time, hence the feelings that lead to the decisions. Every mortal being is dying from the moment they are born until the moment they die. Now, imagine an immortal being. Since it isn't immortal, it doesn't feel the need, like we do, to give time a definition and time to them means nothing. They live in the past, present and future all the time and don't worry about the time they have and how to make it better since they have an eternity. They are in the "totality of time" like Socrates once said. Such a state would apply to a god or any immortal being. The same applies to those who have passed to the afterlife, if they are in fact till conscious.

So what causes us to do "evil" or "good"? Good and evil are caused by our desires; we do things to better our lives that sometimes harm others and so are considered evil. An immortal being wouldn't feel the need to make such decisions and so wouldn't even make them. An immortal being wouldn't feel our anguish and desire. Since they wouldn't make such decisions, they cannot be considered "good" or "evil".

So we can come up with either one of these conclusions: Either the Devil, and God by the same line of thought, is not capable of either good or evil acts OR they are not immortal.

Of course, you could always try to mix these two up and say maybe they USED to be mortal and gained immortality, but then they would've lost the feelings of anguish and desire since they had all the time in the world to make their eternal lives better and so would never take action to actually improve them.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Grendelion on September 24, 2009, 10:27:13 pm
Good points.  To me, sentience and immortality don't mix well.  Personally I've always found the concept or prospect of living forever a bit....boring.  Its like reading a book that never ends.  Sooner or later you wanna put the damn thing down.  How long would it take for an immortal sentient being to grow bored with its current existence, having straightened everything in its eternal life out?  Living forever, one loses a sense of purpose after awhile, a sense lower lifeforms were blessed to be born without.  Point is, what would an immortal being do in response to its boredom?  Fall asleep and never wake up all Cthulhu like, play chess, go for a jog, create life in a vast universe then sit and toy with it, etc.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 25, 2009, 08:34:41 am
dude. you just move to a higher plane of consciousness or something. Its not like we know whats out there right.
Staying on this plane for too long is akin to staying in your room for a week. Familiar and boring.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 25, 2009, 09:09:20 am
dude. you just move to a higher plane of consciousness or something. Its not like we know whats out there right.
Staying on this plane for too long is akin to staying in your room for a week. Familiar and boring.

But that's exactly what Socrates said. When you die, you move to this 'higher plane' and there you're immortal. That's where the feelings go away and you lose the will to act. And that would eb the only way for humans to go there, by dying. But you;re right, we don't know what's out there.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on September 25, 2009, 09:43:32 am
dude. you just move to a higher plane of consciousness or something. Its not like we know whats out there right.
Staying on this plane for too long is akin to staying in your room for a week. Familiar and boring.

But that's exactly what Socrates said. When you die, you move to this 'higher plane' and there you're immortal. That's where the feelings go away and you lose the will to act. And that would eb the only way for humans to go there, by dying. But you;re right, we don't know what's out there.

Socrates might be wrong, or he could be right. But i still wouldn't feel right sharing a new universe with someone who thinks mushrooms grow on mushroom trees.

There might be a filter or a trial or something.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 28, 2009, 11:48:23 pm
Here's something for everyone to chew on....

 The Devil is 'evil' to society at large. Santa is the epitome of all that is good and wholesome to society at large. What's the difference between that fat bastard and Satan? The 'N' is in a different spot.

Well, actually, seems they are not so different after all, meaning that Santa is primly a pagan figure that was embedded in christianity for god knows what reason (oh, sorry, Coca Cola commercial, really smells on little angels, right?  :lol: ). For me he could as well have hooves and horns under all that masque, also, hes a bit too nice to kids dont you think?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 29, 2009, 06:18:56 am
 Hate to burst your bubble, Banshee, but Good ole Saint Nick was a real, live person. (Not to be confused with Pinocchio being a real, live boy.)

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas)

 It just so happens that people decided to use and abuse his reputation to make their children behave... because they were too shytty and lazy as parents to do it themselves.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on September 29, 2009, 08:34:08 am
Santa is a TV????  :-o
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on September 29, 2009, 04:15:15 pm
Santa is a TV????  :-o

You might want to make yourself a bit clearer on that one...

As far as I'm concerned, his remains were not turned into a television... (Or did you mean something else by TV? If you didn't, I think you need to re-read Kadesh's post :roll:) Help, I'm confused...
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on September 29, 2009, 08:23:26 pm
 So am I, Kube.... so am I
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on October 01, 2009, 11:39:32 pm
  She is more than likely referring to this statement

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It just so happens that people decided to use and abuse his reputation to make their children behave... because they were too shytty and lazy as parents to do it themselves.

  Parents often use television as an instructional tool in place of actually teaching their children values of any kind.  You say that parents use Santa for that purpose and she made the connection to television in that way.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: KubeSix on October 02, 2009, 11:17:04 am
Ohhh, I hadn't thought of that. All clear now :-P

In that sense, yes, Santa's used in the same way as TV...
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 02, 2009, 06:24:46 pm
 Not exactly what I meant...

 They use Santa more as a disciplinary measure. "Be good or Santa won't bring you presents." The TV is used, as Muerte said, as a learning tool because parents are too lazy to teach the children themselves.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on October 02, 2009, 06:30:33 pm
Thank you Muerte!
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on October 02, 2009, 08:00:18 pm
Quote
Not exactly what I meant...

 They use Santa more as a disciplinary measure. "Be good or Santa won't bring you presents." The TV is used, as Muerte said, as a learning tool because parents are too lazy to teach the children themselves.

  I knew that dear, but it is perception which rules understanding.  I am simply able to understand things and ideas from a variety of angles.  A skill I use to either assist people or devastate my enemies.  As I said in another thread, Knowledge is power, and the ability to apply that Knowledge is what makes a person truly powerful.


  And you are welcome Banshee.



Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 03, 2009, 05:30:47 am
 It wasn't directed at you, Muerte. If anyone gets the point of any post, it's you and Momo. *<:)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on October 03, 2009, 12:06:17 pm
Alright. Now saint Nikolas of Myrna. was a real person.

But odin had a beard too.  Check this out.

http://www.realmagick.com/articles/14/2014.html (http://www.realmagick.com/articles/14/2014.html)
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on October 03, 2009, 10:24:13 pm
  *Damn, where is the clap button*  Raziel, that was really an awesome read and a great point to boot.  May be your new persona should be that of the finder of antiquities.  Some of that I have never read about before, it will now be added to my journal of pagan gods under Odin, thank you for the new source of information.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on October 04, 2009, 07:44:55 am
It wasn't directed at you, Muerte. If anyone gets the point of any post, it's you and Momo. *<:)

Suck up  :-P
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on October 04, 2009, 02:00:39 pm
It wasn't directed at you, Muerte. If anyone gets the point of any post, it's you and Momo. *<:)

Suck up  :-P

Ok Again what did Kadesh do  to you.....?

Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on October 04, 2009, 04:17:01 pm
It wasn't directed at you, Muerte. If anyone gets the point of any post, it's you and Momo. *<:)

Suck up  :-P

Must be a character imbalance due to low self-esteem and a dash of contempt for those who disagree and/or those who try to build relationships due to a misunderstanding of the verbal compliment concept/
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on October 04, 2009, 04:59:06 pm
Hahaha must be....
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 04, 2009, 06:56:53 pm
 Or it could be a general misunderstanding of this entire forum and how we view each other as a family. Kinda like the Mob... once you're in, you're in. But if you aren't.... f#ck with one and you f#ck with all. :wink:


 Or....... as I said in another thread..... it could just be jealousy.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on October 04, 2009, 09:14:36 pm
honestly Kadesh thats a great point and im sticking with that one for now  :lol:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on October 05, 2009, 01:27:42 am
I must admit this makes me laugh like crazy. Please do continue.  :-D
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on October 05, 2009, 07:26:55 am
cat fight?

Ill get the bandages, hehehe
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on October 05, 2009, 11:05:56 am
Ohh dont forget the gloves, Ravin  (i assume thats what bandagges meant lol)

Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on October 05, 2009, 11:08:23 am
  Nope, the bandages would be to cover the scratches from the resulting ruckus.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 05, 2009, 11:35:03 am
 Cat fight?? I'm assuming you mean Banshee and myself. Sorry guys.. I'd actually have to give a shyte to fight... and I don't. And if I were to fight someone... I sure as hell wouldn't scratch them. I'm more of a 'bite the curb' kind of girl. :roll:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Strife on October 05, 2009, 12:04:10 pm
hahaha just the way i like em, if they can kick ass they are awsome and deserve respect  :lol:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: ravinclaw on October 05, 2009, 12:25:37 pm
Ima gona lick you on the nose Kadesh.

dont bite me :-D
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 05, 2009, 12:38:25 pm
 *<:) Ravin... you're only allowed because it's you and I know you don't have any intentions behind it.  :wink:


 And, Strife, I don't know whether I'd kick ass or get my ass kicked... but I do know there's a lot of rage buried inside this little girl.... It would all depend on the situation...
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on October 05, 2009, 01:49:08 pm
Rage means nothing without a prism to focus it.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on October 05, 2009, 01:56:21 pm
Rage means nothing without a prism to focus it.


  TRUE!
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 06, 2009, 06:26:57 am
 The prism being what sets it off? Or simply 'ass kicking skills'?
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on October 06, 2009, 01:24:20 pm
Nope. Its more along the lines of ways to focus your anger.

Unfocused rage within itself is merely self destructive. All that anger and hate will make you wish to lash out at everything in a blind attempt to make yourself feel better. Its a selfish inefficient way of achieving self gratuitous masturbation. Think of angry make up sex with your hand........ you might end up damaging something permanently.
A focused rage is different. When used with the intent to achieve a goal, you make plans. Plans force you to consider variables to ensure success, doing so calms you down, gives you a clear head without loosing any of that valuable adrenaline or feeling of righteous anger. Hell you could even do it because you are a mean spiteful person with issues with the world.

Its the difference between babies and their temper tantrums and people who slash your breaks and wreck your car without being directly connected to the act.

The difference between a failed messy murder that leave the victim in pain but alive and able to sue. and actually doing the job.

The pros and the hacks.



When used constructively  it can be used as inspiration to make sure the bad stuff doesn't happen again. Various causes like free self defense courses for women because someone really hates rape is a good example.
Lots of environmentalists fit into this description, as do terrorists unfortunately.

Diffrent prisms different effects.

Bad ass asskicking skilzz is awhole nother story though.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 06, 2009, 08:48:56 pm
 Raz... If I ever unleashed that rage, it would have a focus. The person I released it on. And I wouldn't be done until they were a bloody pulp. Some girls have 'visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads'... I have visions of smashing someone's skull into the ground... over and over and over and over.....    Well, you get the idea. :wink:
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Banshee on October 07, 2009, 01:28:40 am
Little girl?! Haha, this is becoming more and more fun! Please do continue!  :-*
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 07, 2009, 05:54:44 am
 Please tell me I'm not going to have to quote this post all over the forum. This is two threads now...

I'm pretty sure I just said I wasn't scared. And, Banshee... grow up, m'kay? :-* You came in here and criticized everyone for their treatment of a certain member, and now you're doing what you first abhorred so much. Strife was right, you're a hypocrite.


 :focus:

Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on October 07, 2009, 07:41:25 am
Little girl?! Haha, this is becoming more and more fun! Please do continue!  :-*

wha? I'm pretty sure she was talking bout herself.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 07, 2009, 05:40:35 pm
*<:) Ravin... you're only allowed because it's you and I know you don't have any intentions behind it.  :wink:


 And, Strife, I don't know whether I'd kick ass or get my ass kicked... but I do know there's a lot of rage buried inside this little girl.... It would all depend on the situation...

 Yes, Raz, you're right. The word "This" indicates the person speaking... and/or typing.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Moloch on October 08, 2009, 06:47:28 am
Or it could be a general misunderstanding of this entire forum and how we view each other as a family. Kinda like the Mob... once you're in, you're in. But if you aren't.... f#ck with one and you f#ck with all. :wink:

So what would that make me, lol?

Also, Banshee... she's right. This is a bit like a mafia, or maybe the Musketeers. I don't know what set you against Kadesh, but I truly suggest you pick it up and throw it far away from you. This is not a site where brand new members can embroil themselves in feuds and survive.

Not a threat, just a friendly word of caution from a fellow member.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Raziel on October 11, 2009, 12:44:12 pm
Banshee's a girl too?????
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 12, 2009, 12:29:38 pm
 A Banshee is a female by definition. I'm not certain if this one is really female, but I think so.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Moloch on October 12, 2009, 01:07:22 pm
Her profile says she's female.. so until I see a picture of her naked with male anatomy... that's what I'm going with.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Kadesh on October 12, 2009, 01:17:06 pm
 Heh... For some reason, I keep forgetting about profiles.
Title: Re: Is The Devil Actually Evil?
Post by: Muerte on October 12, 2009, 10:17:09 pm
Banshee's a girl too?????

  So intelligent, and yet sometimes you dismiss the most obvious tools at your disposal.