[confused_mystery]

  Not the hugging type, but I will give a nod of approval.

  that's what you want them to believe 

How bout a spank of aproval? Bend over.lol. That maturaty Odd Bill spoke of just blew out the window didnt it.

  instantly for you  or how about you bend over pretty boy  ...   

[ravinclaw]

Ten more minutes and three more beers and you just might be able to talk me into it...*hicup* eeer not...maybe i'll just settle 4 tha hug

[confused_mystery]

  wow so you're that easy when you're drunk ? na i'd get you to chug 6 more beers first

[rave phillaphia]

Can I just yell at this thread? I don't even know where to start about Angels and their development in history... Angelology is my field and sometimes I just wonder why people start with wiki as their primary source on angels. I have a homework assignment for all of you.

Go to the Encyclopedia of Religion or the Dictionary of Religion (Brill or HarperCollins) and start there.
http://libguides.wooster.edu/content.php?pid=98726&sid=740769
here is a link to some of these sources if you need to see what it looks like. If you can't find it online go to your local library they should have it or to your local university because they will have it.

When you are researching about angels you have to figure out what your wanting to look at (overall historical developments, specific cultures, etc.) because it you don't it's such a huge topic that you will never get to the right place. People publish stuff on angels all of the time but you have to be careful because they are mainly devotional and religious pieces, not religious study pieces. An academic approach will get you much farther than where this is going.

This is exactly why i started this thread in the first place

[ViciouslyMe]

I don't know, I mean literature will only get a person so far. And no matter what you read, it not only comes from a person/s perspective but is also not necessarily as "informative" as people think. I mean why should I trust what someone wrote? How do I know what they speak of really was an "angel"? Just too unreliable for my tastes.

Well, thats why u dont read just one source on the matter ur researching

[onepiece]

I read this post today which is giving totaly wrong info.


by wikipedia:

    ~Melek~

From Arabic ملك (málak), angel < root verb لأك (lá'aka), to send as a messenger.

(definite accusative meleği, plural melekler)


angel

cherub

The names of those 4 angels are: Musa-Tevrat,Davud-Zebur, Isa-Indzil i Muhamed-Kuràn

Ring any bells? 

In Khuran, Meleks are also a very powerful beings of light and messengers.

Their existance may seem boring to you, but I asure you they dont see it that way.

just wanted to say that those names of the four angels are totally wrong......they aren't even angels

they are the very known prophets Musa-Tevrat - this is Moses and god gave unto the people the Torah (jewish bible or some part of it) through him

Davud-Zebur - this is David (not really sure about him but i think he is also considered as a prophet)

Isa-Indzil - this is Jesus (Isa>Isus>Jesus) indzil or injil is the bible or only the old testament im not sure (injil is meant to mean angel i think - the book of angels)

and Muhamed-Kuràn - as you know who he is, he is considered the last prophet who God gave th Kuran through the angel Gabriel to him

in Islam Musa-Moses, Isa-Jesus and Mohamed are considered as those who saved mankind by revealing the only truth that there is only one God who rules everything.    the three holy books have more in common than you think (they also have the same story, beginning from Adam and Eve and so on)

(dont blame Islam for those muslims who misunderstood it from the beginning and yell to not drink alcohol and not eat pig meat thats theyr folklore not religion)

and just as info the main meleks - angels you meant to say are gibrail -Gabriel, Mihail - Michael, Israfil -(i think this is Raphael) and Azrail (the angel of death)  (and not to forget Iblis - Lucifer ....the fallen one)

they'r all the same

Any questions?

And Nina.....just for curiosity what religion are you....(don't answer if you don't want to)....

[ravinclaw]

@ Vicious, my friend some times I find it uncany how much your thoughts remind me of my own. You question everything. I cant begin to stress how important that is when dealing with the unknown. There are a great many litterary works on various subjects we seak the true answers to. And there is a good chance that some of those works are absolute crap. In my opinion we should study them all open minded then form our own thoughts. Some things will show up time and time again, those are things worth taking a closer look into and they are plentiful. Demons and angels exist, but to catalog them...label them...make them fit in well stacked piles may prove imposible. We must take the writings we have along with our own experiances and those of others we trust and find the truth for ourselves.

[ViciouslyMe]

So basically find the pattern? Find the common observations, things that come up frequently, and that is most likely an actual observation. That I can understand, my only problem is how do we know for sure that these observations were made of "angels"? I mean through my own observations it has become obvious that the supernatural/paranormal world consists of beings that can (in some ways) be classified just as some creatures are. For example, the fact that the supernatural/paranormal world has its own "parasites". So it makes me think that maybe, just maybe, there are beings that mimic other beings. Just like there are animals and insects that mimic others. And if that is the case, then whos to say when one has encountered an actual "angel" or merely a being that mimics an "angel" in some ways? As far as I know (which does mean I could be wrong) there is no way of knowingly getting the truth out of anything other than dissection, and I don't think anyone has dissected an "angel" yet.

[onepiece]

As far as I know (which does mean I could be wrong) there is no way of knowingly getting the truth out of anything other than dissection, and I don't think anyone has dissected an "angel" yet.

if you try to dissect an angel you'll find your guts dripping off the ceiling...........

[ViciouslyMe]

I know things shouldn't be taken so far into thought, but I can't help it. I mean just cause it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it could still be a guy in a duck costume. I mean don't get mewrong, it probaly isn't. Still, I will read what I come across and make the connection between the similarities. I just don't want to sit there and say "this is an angel", I'd rather say "this is something that, while it may or may not be an angel, it is still something". And as for the dissection, the word simply mean "a detailed, part-by-part analysis". So its not necessarily a physical dissection, with a scalpel and all that.

just wanted to say that those names of the four angels are totally wrong......they aren't even angels

they are the very known prophets Musa-Tevrat - this is Moses and god gave unto the people the Torah (jewish bible or some part of it) through him

Davud-Zebur - this is David (not really sure about him but i think he is also considered as a prophet)

Isa-Indzil - this is Jesus (Isa>Isus>Jesus) indzil or injil is the bible or only the old testament im not sure (injil is meant to mean angel i think - the book of angels)

and Muhamed-Kuràn - as you know who he is, he is considered the last prophet who God gave th Kuran through the angel Gabriel to him

in Islam Musa-Moses, Isa-Jesus and Mohamed are considered as those who saved mankind by revealing the only truth that there is only one God who rules everything.    the three holy books have more in common than you think (they also have the same story, beginning from Adam and Eve and so on)

(dont blame Islam for those muslims who misunderstood it from the beginning and yell to not drink alcohol and not eat pig meat thats theyr folklore not religion)

and just as info the main meleks - angels you meant to say are gibrail -Gabriel, Mihail - Michael, Israfil -(i think this is Raphael) and Azrail (the angel of death)  (and not to forget Iblis - Lucifer ....the fallen one)

they'r all the same

Yeah, agree with u that that info is wrong to a point, but they were all prophets in their way, messengers of God, and its a bit debatable area if u reconsider the meaning of the word melek.

Yeah... but what I mean is.....

If you've got 15 to 20 ducks, and one of them strikes you as slightly odd compared to the others - then it's time to consider if that one duck is in fact a guy in a duck costume. But as long as you only have that one duck, then you've got nothing to compare it with. You've got no real way to say if it's a guy in a duck costume, or if it's a real duck, no matter how long you ponder it.

You lost me at "duck."

LOL, just kidding. But that's definitely a good point to keep in mind.

[ravinclaw]

Reminds me of a dirty joke.....we nead an adult only dirty joke board