I wanna know how the devil is evil, if ya THINK hard on it, it isnt actually evil, because of the fact it punishes the wicked and evil doers, so i believe he would be the god of justice am i correct?

The Devil isn't evil, he's just a poor little pawn. Poor little Devil!:'(

He just gets raped all around.tsk tsk

Speaking of rape.....
Pretend the devil is a massive Gay & 7ft, 450lb black Rapist Named Bubba. Who was convicted of manslaughter, Beastiality, And Neutering his neighborhood postman with a rusty spoon.

And pretend you are this puny little 5 ft 5. Klansman. Who was convicted of stealing a little too many rolls of toilet paper and coffee sachets from your office.

The guards suck. and take bets on how long you last.

You and bubba are cell mates.


God is the system. God is society.


You are screwed.

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This illustrates that just because you are punished, your punishment has little to do with your crime.
Instead, you just get sent to that place where all the people who are not fit for society are imprisoned.

Accding to Christianity( well a Religious studies class anyway) , Hell is a place where you are beyond God's grace.
Ergo. In my example hell is a prison. A place where you are separated from society at large. The separation isn't so bad.... Its who else is there with ya.....

A perfectly lawless prison with no escape.

In fact this is the cause of arguments of the cause of sin. Are we not at fault due to temptation coming from the devil who entices to do wicked things or does temptation come from ourselves alone?


This point however is not important. The course of action that we take is what matters.

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Alright Strife. The question is If a man torments your tormentor out of his own sick, perverse, deranged,(insert other derogatory adjectives) desires, does it make him a hero?

If not. What is it that makes a hero then?

Speak your piece. because i've run out of words ATM.

[Strife]

hahaha good point raziel, but i think its all up to personal prespective about "what a hero is" my thoughts on what makes a hero a hero is if the hero could help the world without screwing up another side of it, example, help the united states without hurting iraq or something close to that,who could fix a future by looking at the pasted now thats a hero in my oppinion, but everybody has different out looks on stuff such as that

[Angelus]

What makes a hero. A hero is a person who will do whatever it takes for the greater good. He (I use he as a general, not out of sexism) is prepared to make the hard decissions. To make the sacrifices. He would give up all that is his for others. But sadly sometimes a hero must hurt the few for the good of the many. Now you may not think thats a heroic deed but the acts of a fanatic or perfectionist, and it is, what makes it heroic is a real hero will carry the faces and guilt of the ones who had to fall with him forever. He will do what he wishes he didnt have to, so no one else will have to. And will carry the pain, guilt and hatred for what he did.

That is what I think makes a hero.

[Kadesh]

 You just described someone very close to me.

[Strife]

You just described someone very close to me.

you seem to have alot of pain in your past, and angelus, thats a good point

[Kadesh]

 I do. More than enough to go around.... but it decided to stick with me over the years.



















  Lucky me.

What makes a hero. A hero is a person who will do whatever it takes for the greater good. He (I use he as a general, not out of sexism) is prepared to make the hard decissions. To make the sacrifices. He would give up all that is his for others. But sadly sometimes a hero must hurt the few for the good of the many. Now you may not think thats a heroic deed but the acts of a fanatic or perfectionist, and it is, what makes it heroic is a real hero will carry the faces and guilt of the ones who had to fall with him forever. He will do what he wishes he didnt have to, so no one else will have to. And will carry the pain, guilt and hatred for what he did.

That is what I think makes a hero.

Nah. That ain't a hero that's a martyr. Which are like hero's but they die alot.

[Kadesh]

 Nah... a martyr is someone who does it for glory. A hero does it because they must.

[Angelus]

A martyr would do these deeds and make sure everyone knew so they would get the sympathy. A hero would do it and then say "Yeah, lets forget it happened now and get on with our lives."

Nope. If that were the case then Christianity would have lots of heroes. i Refuse to call them as such.

[Grendelion]

The original meaning for the term martyr was someone who bore witness to an event, etc.  To the monotheistic faiths of the world it refers to an individual that sacrifices their life for what they deem to be the greater good.  Again its all a matter of perspective.  Some people call Jesus a martyr cause he allegedly laid down his life to save our eternal souls.  Then again, those loonies in the middle east who blast themselves to bits to kill all the infidels that stand in defiance of God are called martyrs as well, by the same loonies that helped them strap the bombs to their chest to begin with.  Either way, a person isn't a martyr until they're dead.  Before then, they're simply heroes, which, like beauty, is a title that lies in the eye of the beholder.

[Kadesh]

A martyr would do these deeds and make sure everyone knew so they would get the sympathy. A hero would do it and then say "Yeah, lets forget it happened now and get on with our lives."

 You're still describing someone very close to me; I just wish they could see themselves that way.

 
 Grendelion, I don't think they become martyr's when they die. They die as heroes and are remembered as such. Calling someone we knew as a hero when they were alive, a martyr after death... uck. The word 'martyr' leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It always makes me think of someone who does what they do for the glory they can get out of it. "Look at poor lil 'ole me and how sad my situation is."  Blek.

The original meaning for the term martyr was someone who bore witness to an event, etc.  To the monotheistic faiths of the world it refers to an individual that sacrifices their life for what they deem to be the greater good.  Again its all a matter of perspective.  Some people call Jesus a martyr cause he allegedly laid down his life to save our eternal souls.  Then again, those loonies in the middle east who blast themselves to bits to kill all the infidels that stand in defiance of God are called martyrs as well, by the same loonies that helped them strap the bombs to their chest to begin with.  Either way, a person isn't a martyr until they're dead.  Before then, they're simply heroes, which, like beauty, is a title that lies in the eye of the beholder.

Remember. He got back up.

[Angelus]

Nope. If that were the case then Christianity would have lots of heroes. i Refuse to call them as such.

Christianity has its own heroes. Its sounds like you have a personal problem with christianity. Just because they died for christianity or for something they felt was a great injustice but they were christians, does that remove them from hero status? Are you saying a hero cant die for what he believes in without becoming a martyr? A man who, when facing his death, will not give up on what he believes in? Cant a man be both? Like the monk who martyred himself for a free Tibet. He set himself on fire with the expectation to die and show the world he meant business. The man was a martyr and to many a hero.

Neither. I was just saying not all martyrs are heroes and not all heroes are martyrs.... albeit in a somewhat anti-christian way.(but hey we are in the internet. Muslims bust on Allah and man degrades and kills his fellow man for the lulz. A little thing like disparaging your own religion once in a while doesn't really mean anything........ well unless it means that you are a flip-flopping gutless penis...... Which I'm not saying i am. ^_^)

Oh and the monk who set himself on fire was also a great indicator of what extreme lengths the protesters were willing to subject themselves to. China is still communist(albeit  one influenced by Mc Donald's) hence making them a much more dangerous opponent in the eyes of the red army. Not really  a good idea when you think about it.


As to whether he was a martyr  or not. Well who are we to disagree with the people.
A hero to some maybe a monster and a monster to some maybe a hero. Same way with fools, martyrs and martys.
But this brings us back to the human labeling phenomenon and how it is not applicable to everything due to the differences in opinions people have. so lets skip this part.

People die everyday. Some die for what they believe in. That does not make them martyrs to those who do not know about them.  People pull off small miracles every day. this does not make them heroes who don't know about their deeds .  Ergo it only matters to those who know. and more specifically those who care.
 (which i think you do. And do so very much.)

Now who wants to be a hero?