[Kadesh]

 I don't think it's something you can just stand up and go "I do! I do! Pick me!"  It's deeply ingrained within someone.

[ravinclaw]

It is, no doubt about it.

Angelus described a hero prety well I think. A hero is selfless and will stand for what he or she believes is right, even if they die in the process. A hero is someone who will put their life on the line to save lives, and they dont give a damn about the reward simple as that.

chances are every one of us knows a hero or two, even if they havnt proven it yet, given the right set of events, they will.

then again some will just call then nuts.......but will they care?......hell no.

[Kadesh]

 They won't care at all. That's the difference between martyr's and heroes. Martyr's want everyone to know it was them that did it... heroes just want to move on.

[Strife]

a hero doesnt want recognition for what they have done, they will do what they have to do and leave

[ravinclaw]

yeah, and then usualy wish like hell they could forget about it.

its kinda like this....say you and a friend are in a burning building....you get cracked on the head by some falling wood....... He knows for sure if he leaves right now, he can get out, but if he picks you up and takes you with him, he will almost certainly not make it out in time....what dose he do?

times like that are what makes real heros folks, not when the entire world is hanging in the balance its when one life can be saved, or not....but will you risk it?

thats what makes heros. In my opinion anyway, but what the hell do I know.

[Kadesh]

 You're right, ravin. You're sooo right.

[Muerte]

isnt that kinda bad because i believe god gave everything a "free will" to speak there minds and oppinions, so why would he banish lucifer for speaking its mind? if ya ask me god is a hypocryte if this theory is true, just a thought

 He didn't give 'everything' free will, just humans. Angels were created for the purpose of guarding human life. Protecting it and ensuring it's continuance... at God's will. He is their "Master". They live at his sufferance.

  Ok, I have waited long enought to post here I think.  And really ZI just want to ask a simple question that has been pluaging me for a while now.  I god did not give angels free will, then how did 1/3 of his angelic host rise up with Lucifer to challenge kthe decisions of the almighty.   That to me shows an awful lot of balls for beings that are not supposed to have any free will.  As a matter of fact, are those angels who followed or were cast out still not considered angels, homeless thought hey may be?  And if they are still considered angels, and are dirrectly opposed to gods ideas, well there we have it again, freewill.  questions, comments?

[Kadesh]

 Hmm... very good point, Muerte. Wasn't the revolt and subsequent fall of Lucifer and his 'angels' pre-written? Meaning that God already knew it was going to happen and how and when?

[Muerte]

Hmm... very good point, Muerte. Wasn't the revolt and subsequent fall of Lucifer and his 'angels' pre-written? Meaning that God already knew it was going to happen and how and when?

  To my knowledege no, I can do some research and get back to you on it, or perhapse Ravin will have something to add, as this is his fav. topic.  I just had to ask it.

[ravinclaw]

hahaha!!  angels and god are all a bunch of bastards!!   demons too!! BASTARDS THE WHOLE DAMNED LOT OF THEM!!!

Ive been trying to figure it out for years and it dont make sence, none of it,

Im starting my own religion Its called the "fark it religion"  which means fark it, have a good time while you are here!   anyone care to join me?

[Muerte]

  I would, but I tend to shun organized religions.

[Angelus]

  Ok, I have waited long enought to post here I think.  And really ZI just want to ask a simple question that has been pluaging me for a while now.  I god did not give angels free will, then how did 1/3 of his angelic host rise up with Lucifer to challenge kthe decisions of the almighty.   That to me shows an awful lot of balls for beings that are not supposed to have any free will.  As a matter of fact, are those angels who followed or were cast out still not considered angels, homeless thought hey may be?  And if they are still considered angels, and are dirrectly opposed to gods ideas, well there we have it again, freewill.  questions, comments?

Its not that he never physically gave them free will. Its more like, self thought was illegal. Look what happened when the angels attempted it. Damnation. Yould think the big guy would have learned his lesson but no. He tried to make free will illegal with humans until Lilith said " Im sick of this missionary bulls**t. I want reverse cowgirl!" then he tried it again when he kicked her out the garden and Eve though "fark him, I will eat any farkin apple I want!". I would still say they are angels but not of God. And like I said earlier. Free will was illegal, not impossible.

[Kadesh]

 Thank you, Angelus. I was trying to say what I was thinking, but couldn't seem to get it out. You stated it perfectly.

[Angelus]

Im getting good at that. lol.

[Kadesh]

Im starting my own religion Its called the "fark it religion"  which means fark it, have a good time while you are here!   anyone care to join me?

 And, Ravin.... I can't join you. I don't even call what I believe a religion... and it's anything but organized as it changes with what I learn about me and life. But I'll join you for some firewater.