[Moloch]

I can see by the contents of this thread that the wellspring of entertainment for such as I has not dried up entirely. This is good, very good. Poor, poor Raz... he's going to be inconsolable when he sees that I've returned.

As for the topic, I have only one question: How is it that you have not blown up from the stresses of having to polar opposite qualities in your being? And don't give me the standard Buffy the Vampire Slayer, or Twilight answer about vampires being inherently good if given the chance. That's modern day re-creationist BS.

[LeXtruX]

@Moloch: I have to disagree about this, being a vamp doesn't mean you're evil... ok I admit, Buffy and Twilight aren't anywhere near the truth of vamps.
But good and evil are standards of morals in societies.
If a vamp chooses not to drink of living humans but chooses instead to use blood donors than he can't be evil, he thinks about other people's feelings.
if you say that someone is evil because he's a vampire instead of what he does than something has messed up you're logic since you left Moloch.
The sins of the fathers should not be placed upon their offsprings... they are innocent.
If some vamps do evil deeds that doesn't mean every vamp is evil. same goes for werewolves, humans, etc, about every living creature.

 Ronin you are right.  As a devoted Agnostic  ( or as Bill Maher puts it I belong to the church of I don't know.) I see nothing wrong with believing in a deity.  but so many use religion as their excuse to hate and do harm I'm thinking Inquisition and witch trials as well as war.  Serial killers use the god told me to line in defence of their actions, though whether that's a defence strategy or just loony is hard to tell unless you are the shrink doing the analyzing. 

My point is as long as you don't hurt anyone do whatever you want that makes you happy.

p.s. You don't know either;  you merely believe.  There is a difference.;}

[Moloch]

@Moloch: I have to disagree about this, being a vamp doesn't mean you're evil... ok I admit, Buffy and Twilight aren't anywhere near the truth of vamps.
But good and evil are standards of morals in societies.
If a vamp chooses not to drink of living humans but chooses instead to use blood donors than he can't be evil, he thinks about other people's feelings.
if you say that someone is evil because he's a vampire instead of what he does than something has messed up you're logic since you left Moloch.
The sins of the fathers should not be placed upon their offsprings... they are innocent.
If some vamps do evil deeds that doesn't mean every vamp is evil. same goes for werewolves, humans, etc, about every living creature.

You misunderstood what I said, Lex. You see, in typing my statement, I made no assertion of my own beliefs or opinions. I merely made an observation about the impossibility of Ronin's claims based upon his very own words. You see, as a christian, a vampire would be anathema to him. So, those two sides of his Self would annihilate each other. For me, being as non-religious as I am, Vampires are neither good nor evil they simply are. So I make no claims about any kind of mutant bastardized abomination of an existence and it works because my point of view is balanced. His point of view is unbalanced, which causes him to make outlandish claims which contradict everything else he says.

As for your example of a vampire not being evil because they don't attack humans, but rely instead on blood donors.. what about the folks who die because that blood was never available to them? To make it simpler, are you evil because you eat all of the food in a house where the people who live there are already starving?

[LeXtruX]

@Moloch: I have to disagree about this, being a vamp doesn't mean you're evil... ok I admit, Buffy and Twilight aren't anywhere near the truth of vamps.
But good and evil are standards of morals in societies.
If a vamp chooses not to drink of living humans but chooses instead to use blood donors than he can't be evil, he thinks about other people's feelings.
if you say that someone is evil because he's a vampire instead of what he does than something has messed up you're logic since you left Moloch.
The sins of the fathers should not be placed upon their offsprings... they are innocent.
If some vamps do evil deeds that doesn't mean every vamp is evil. same goes for werewolves, humans, etc, about every living creature.

You misunderstood what I said, Lex. You see, in typing my statement, I made no assertion of my own beliefs or opinions. I merely made an observation about the impossibility of Ronin's claims based upon his very own words. You see, as a christian, a vampire would be anathema to him. So, those two sides of his Self would annihilate each other. For me, being as non-religious as I am, Vampires are neither good nor evil they simply are. So I make no claims about any kind of mutant bastardized abomination of an existence and it works because my point of view is balanced. His point of view is unbalanced, which causes him to make outlandish claims which contradict everything else he says.

As for your example of a vampire not being evil because they don't attack humans, but rely instead on blood donors.. what about the folks who die because that blood was never available to them? To make it simpler, are you evil because you eat all of the food in a house where the people who live there are already starving?

ah I see, I tought something was off for you to reply like that^^