are dragons evil?

[Kadesh]

 Ah, but blow_fly, you're assuming I believe in evolution. 

[Whitedrake]

I used to believe in evolution...but the DD came around, and i felt Darwin role over in his grave...very sad

[blow_fly]

Ah, but blow_fly, you're assuming I believe in evolution.

Would I be correct then in saying that your probably look at the emergence of organic life from a more creationist perspective? Now just to make myself clear in advance, I'm not  out to cast aspersions on your beliefs so much as to gain insight into them and more specfically, how they relate to the existence of dragons in the wider scheme of things. 

[Kadesh]

 You would be correct indeed, blow_fly. It could be because that's how I was raised and I've never been taught evolution. However, evolution has always seemed a bit silly to me....

[Raziel]

Hmm.... really? it always stuck me as plausible. Yo kad, Mind telling me why it seems silly to you? I'd like to see it from a different perspective.

[Kadesh]

 Because I've never heard of an ape coming out of a human's va-jay-jay. Or vice versa. And even simpler to me... If things are millions of years old... why doesn't our time line go back that far?

[Raziel]

........ Your paint a strange, illogical, and deeply disturbing picture Kadesh.

Alright lemme see if i can explain this.

First off, it doesn't work like that.

Lets say there's a sick kid and a healthy kid. Sick kid is sick because of a weak immune system. Sick kid dies. Healthy kid grows up, has family. Sick kid does not grow up, does not have family.

Now instead of sick and healthy kids, think of monkey people.

Monkey people don't need monkey hands and feet for swinging on trees if they live on open fields or in caves. nor do they need excess body hair.
In fact it makes them needlessly sweaty and smelly.

Over time, since they don't use their feet for monkey tree party swinging, they get flatter. They pass this on to their kids. A teeny bit of DNA is changed. Rinse and repeat until body hair is below monkey people levels.


Now. Imagine instead of monkey sick kids, we have a  wimp and a jock. Since we haven't developed the concepts of right, wrong, sensitivity and hygiene yet. the jock gets the girl simply because he has more appeal. Since we haven't invented the Geneva convention yet, we could have slaves and ladyes.  AND TONS OF BABIES!!!

Also since the alpha males were tribe heads, they got thier pics of mates, food and jobs..... meaning babies and longer life expectancy. Meaning more kids to pass on your characteristics to.

Characteristics that make you successful. Characteristics influenced by genetics since we didn't have a proper educational system then.


Rince and repeat.  Which is why we are hairless relatively  not monkey people. AKA: Evolution.
Note: Writing that hurt more than i thought it would.


And as to why our "timeline"(I'm assuming you mean recorded history) doesn't go back millions of years....

the earliest examples of art were  allegedly made around 40,00 years ago. The development of art shows the the abstract reasoning ability of humans during that age. Earliest examples of symbols were made around 30,000 Ya. These shows that the mental capabilities of our ancestors were merely beginning to grasp concepts through signs.

Think of it as a picture of a flower in a garden. the subject is clearly the flora, but then you start to consider the rest of the image.
Capturing time as the present. categorizing time as the present. Thats what they just figured out.

this was 40,000-30,000 years ago. The earliest writing systems were made around 7,000 BC. We couldn't record history millions of years ago simply because man kind moved around and didn't even know how to write. They could have recorded history through oral tradition(songs). or dances or something but as time goes on without any systematic way of interpreting these movements, they lose meaning until they are not even performed anymore due to people getting bored with them.

So basically we could not record the past because we haven't invented anything  we could use to learn it besides old people's stories......... which due to senility aren't always clear. (but back then, old people were like 30-45 or something.

Did that help Kad?

[blow_fly]

I don't have much to add to Raziel's rather concise explanation of evolution in the way of further elaboration, but I think it's important to bear in mind that evolutionary adaptations manifest randomly in living things due to the  inherent potential for the genetic code of any  organic life-form to diverge in new ways when it is inherited  by succeeding generations. Nature dosen't conciously select  animals or plants with innate advantages. It just so happen that some evolutionary quirks are more useful in a particular environmental context than others.

[Kadesh]

 Just a quick question Raz..... who taught people to write? And who taught them all those different languages?

[Raziel]

It evolved. Kinda like how there was a rock but nobody knew what to call it.

Say, a cave person sees rock and  calls it "bob". And since the other cave people he knows see the same rock but already heard about it from caveman# 1, they call it "bob" too.

Now when we use pictorial based writing systems like Chinese or hieroglyphics. The initial drawing had people going like " Hey that looks like a "Bob""  And so the drawing is called bob too. Then as time passed, and people used  the symbol as a for of identifying their clans/groups they became known as clan "Bob" or If said clan was named after a person, They called it  "Bob's clan".

other tribes and civilizations had different names and symbols for things, these names and symbols were adapted by other groups and often got different  names and meanings depending on how tribe #2 used them.

Example is the chinese theory for the word ketchup. Here's a copy pasta from wiki.

China theory

One is that the word derives from one of two words from the Fujian region of coastal southern China: "kôe-chiap" (in the Xiamen accent) or "kê-chiap" (in the Zhangzhou accent). Both of these words come from the Amoy dialect of China, where it meant the brine of pickled fish or shellfish.[11] The Chinese characters representing the word kôe-chiap are disputed, with two primary theories as to the word's original Chinese orthography.
[edit] Eggplant sauce

The first theory[12] states that the word "ketchup" derives from a Chinese word composed of two characters (茄汁), which means "eggplant sauce". The first character (茄), meaning "eggplant," is also the root for the word "tomato" (番茄 in Mandarin and Cantonese or 紅毛茄 in Taiwanese), though at the time tomatoes were unknown in China. The second character (汁) means "juice" or "sauce." Pronunciations of this word vary by region, but their similarities to the English "ketchup" can be noticed.
茄汁
Language    Pronunciation (IPA)    Other transcriptions
Cantonese    khe tsɐp    Jyutping    ke2 zap1
Taiwanese    gjo ʑiap    POJ    kiô-chiap
[edit] Fish sauce

The second theory states[citation needed] that "ketchup" derives from an Amoy word of two characters (鮭汁) meaning "fish sauce". The first character literally means "salmon" but can mean just "fish" in general. The second character is the same as in the above-mentioned theory.
鮭汁
Language    Pronunciation (IPA)    Other transcriptions
Cantonese    kwɐi tsɐp    Jyutping    gwai1 zap1
Taiwanese    kue ʑiap    POJ    kôe chiap

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See how that goes? 

Another more recent example is "Nevada-tan". Look for it on the internet. Its not her real name but since it was popularized as such, it as become synonymous with her identity.


Word meanings and symbols continue to be imported and exported  even today, despite the well established language systems we have now.

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Short answer: People ripped each other off and took advantage of the lack of copyright laws until languages were formed.

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No we are not descended from monkeys or Neanderthals.

[Whitedrake]

You would be correct indeed, blow_fly. It could be because that's how I was raised and I've never been taught evolution. However, evolution has always seemed a bit silly to me....

personally i think evolution is pretty much undeniably fact, theres so much evidence to support it.

Because I've never heard of an ape coming out of a human's va-jay-jay. Or vice versa. And even simpler to me... If things are millions of years old... why doesn't our time line go back that far?

also, real nice imagry desh, nw i wont be able to wake up without screaming

[Kadesh]

 That's part of my charm, Drake.

No we are not descended from monkeys or Neanderthals.

Ok... I was half-assed paying attention when I read that part, Raz. Isn't that exactly the OPPOSITE of what evolution states?

[onishadowolf]

I paid attention, no we didn't descend from monkeys or Neanderthals. They're seperate species, which is why you don't see a Homo-Sapian in front of Neanderthal or type of monkey. We share traits, because we descended from a type of primate;primate, a name for a group of many different species sharing traits. We are distant cousins, only because we share traits, think of them like cousins by marriage actually. Want proof of evolution you can see and feel yourself, go outside a week after a spray for mosquito

[onishadowolf]

....s and when get bite by one, there is your proof. Evolution allowed it to gain immunity to the posion in a short time span(one or two generations).
Better example, look at your dog or your cat. Now everyone ;focus.

[Kadesh]

 Then why all the evolution posters of apes to people??