The Darker Side > Human Monsters
What defines a monster?
Ravening:
Nice. You decided to post a video of your girlfriend.
hannibal:
--- Quote from: Ravening on January 16, 2011, 08:16:50 PM ---Nice. You decided to post a video of your girlfriend.
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Monsters prefer natural biotechnology but the singulartity of artificial technology is fast approachng. What is a monster to do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski
http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt
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171. But suppose now that industrial society does survive the next
several decade and that the bugs do eventually get worked out of the
system, so that it functions smoothly. What kind of system will it be?
We will consider several possibilities.
172. First let us postulate that the computer scientists succeed in
developing intelligent machines that can do all things better that
human beings can do them. In that case presumably all work will be
done by vast, highly organized systems of machines and no human effort
will be necessary. Either of two cases might occur. The machines might
be permitted to make all of their own decisions without human
oversight, or else human control over the machines might be retained.
173. If the machines are permitted to make all their own decisions, we
can't make any conjectures as to the results, because it is impossible
to guess how such machines might behave. We only point out that the
fate of the human race would be at the mercy of the machines. It might
be argued that the human race would never be foolish enough to hand
over all the power to the machines. But we are suggesting neither that
the human race would voluntarily turn power over to the machines nor
that the machines would willfully seize power. What we do suggest is
that the human race might easily permit itself to drift into a
position of such dependence on the machines that it would have no
practical choice but to accept all of the machines decisions. As
society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and
machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines
make more of their decision for them, simply because machine-made
decisions will bring better result than man-made ones. Eventually a
stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the
system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable
of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in
effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off,
because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would
amount to suicide.
174. On the other hand it is possible that human control over the
machines may be retained. In that case the average man may have
control over certain private machines of his own, such as his car of
his personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will
be in the hands of a tiny elite -- just as it is today, but with two
difference. Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater
control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be
necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the
system. If the elite is ruthless the may simply decide to exterminate
the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or
other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate
until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the
elite. Or, if the elite consist of soft-hearted liberals, they may
decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human
race. They will see to it that everyone's physical needs are
satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic
conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and
that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes "treatment" to cure
his "problem." Of course, life will be so purposeless that people will
have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to remove
their need for the power process or to make them "sublimate" their
drive for power into some harmless hobby. These engineered human
beings may be happy in such a society, but they most certainly will
not be free. They will have been reduced to the status of domestic
animals.
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Ravening:
Teddy wasn't a monster. No cage could hold a monster.
hannibal:
--- Quote from: Ravening on January 16, 2011, 08:30:40 PM ---Teddy wasn't a monster. No cage could hold a monster.
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I would like to see more deep thoughts from you Ravening. Your one liners are occasionally good for comic relief but enough is enough. <:smurf
Do you consider yourself a monster, or do you see yourself as being a slightly advanced troll on the verge of full monsterhood?
What are the true monster equations? A perspective of events is just a subset of a collection of all events that could possibly exist and the so called "flow" of time is a highly individualized status quo of personification. The undeniability of conscious experience sweeps through the slices of spatio-temporal exponentiation in a monstrous illumination of the power of consciousness. Perceptual change feels like a flow but is not. Domains of existence are metrically relativised in a mathematical hierarchy of poetic justice, forever beholden to the Godelian logic loop of eternal continuity.
The topological spaces are manifested as a dualistic emancipation of co-containment in a non-rigid world of computative infrastructure. Every finite set of elements has the exponential powers of 2 subsets, including the original sets and the empty set, and, conclusively, it follows that the descriptive and topological duality permits a function of a universal set to exist, also.
Fractal groupings can also be arranged in a natural hierarchy of co-containment, beholden to the music of reality.
Ravening:
--- Quote from: hannibal on January 16, 2011, 09:09:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ravening on January 16, 2011, 08:30:40 PM ---Teddy wasn't a monster. No cage could hold a monster.
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I would like to see more deep thoughts from you Ravening. Your one liners are occasionally good for comic relief but enough is enough. <:smurf
Do you consider yourself a monster, or do you see yourself as being a slightly advanced troll on the verge of full monsterhood?
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Monsterhood? Is that like an achievement? Wearing all black and slicing your wrists does not a monster make.
--- Quote ---What are the true monster equations? A perspective of events is just a subset of a collection of all events that could possibly exist and the so called "flow" of time is a highly individualized status quo of personification. The undeniability of conscious experience sweeps through the slices of spatio-temporal exponentiation in a monstrous illumination of the power of consciousness. Perceptual change feels like a flow but is not. Domains of existence are metrically relativised in a mathematical hierarchy of poetic justice, forever beholden to the Godelian logic loop of eternal continuity.
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Is there a real question in there or are you just going to keep babbling?
--- Quote ---The topological spaces are manifested as a dualistic emancipation of co-containment in a non-rigid world of computative infrastructure. Every finite set of elements has the exponential powers of 2 subsets, including the original sets and the empty set, and, conclusively, it follows that the descriptive and topological duality permits a function of a universal set to exist, also.
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I think that the continuum hypothesis has something to do with the half-iterate of the powers of 2. Does that answer your question?
Universal sets can exist without the axiom of comprehension and foundedness but I fail to see how Cantor was a monster just because he was institutionalized.
--- Quote ---Fractal groupings can also be arranged in a natural hierarchy of co-containment, beholden to the music of reality.
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What is a fractal grouping?
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