thats pretty great of you to try and bring them all back together

why do you think that, please explain?

Oh and if you do become Vladimyr...

he wont, real life is not a movie.

...YOU would be lost and HE would have a pretty rough time in todays society.

If what he stated is true (which I seriously doubt), then he already is Vladymir and he already is having a rough time. We are talking about the same persona, not the ghost of Vladymir possessing the body of Nyxus. Can you follow the obvious catch?

[ivy bloodsworth]

Because he wants to reunite the cult, can you not follow the obvious catch, Nina?

thats pretty great of you to try and bring them all back together

why do you think that, please explain?

Oh and if you do become Vladimyr...

he wont, real life is not a movie.
of course its not thats why life is soooo boring.

...YOU would be lost and HE would have a pretty rough time in todays society.

If what he stated is true (which I seriously doubt), then he already is Vladymir and he already is having a rough time. We are talking about the same persona, not the ghost of Vladymir possessing the body of Nyxus. Can you follow the obvious catch?
I don't think he said that he was already Vladimyr. Thats obvious because he's still refering to Vladimyr as a second persona and he said that he wanted to bring the cult back together so he needed to know how to restore VLADIMYRS power, he never said MY power. Therefore he still needs to know how to bring the Vladimyr part out of him.

I don't think he said that he was already Vladimyr. Thats obvious because he's still refering to Vladimyr as a second persona and he said that he wanted to bring the cult back together so he needed to know how to restore VLADIMYRS power, he never said MY power. Therefore he still needs to know how to bring the Vladimyr part out of him.

Dont you see that this shows that even him doesnt buy that he was really Vladymir in his past life. If he did truly believe this, his perception would change and he wouldnt write in such syntax. Its a fantasy.

[jordyn]

Wait. THERE'S A REAL DARK BROTHERHOOD??

apparantly, there are a lot of realities that don't make sense.

[ivy bloodsworth]

well alright then nina so he won't turn into Vladimyr and theres really no proof that he was Vladimyr in his past life but still this is a site that allows people to believe what they want and if he believes that he was Vladimyr then let him.  Sure its far fetched that he is or was Vladimyr consitering I believe that evil people can't come back again. You though "honnie" sound like a sceptic.

so he won't turn into Vladimyr

I dont think that a concept of reincarnation works like that. You dont TURN into your former self. It would be first time in history that someone would TURN back to his or hers previous self. To understand this concept, it takes to understand not only the religious point of view (which is in this case least to be worried about), but entire life of one person.

this is a site that allows people to believe what they want

Sure, but it is not an rpg site. People have reason and mind for a very good reason. To accept EVERYTHING everyone says without a pinch of salt would make us all very much idiotic. This is a very unique site for sure. And sure, you can believe anything you want. But dont expect that there wont be someone (as in life as well) that will dissect a foolishness to its tiniest bits if such is mentioned.

Sure its far fetched that he is or was Vladimyr consitering I believe that evil people can't come back again.

Reincarnation doesnt work on GOOD-BAD mathematics.

You though "honnie" sound like a sceptic.

If you knew me better, hunni, you would know that im one of the least skeptical persons here Whatever i post, is not in a bad intention. I just want you to see more clearly the obvious fallacy of his statements.


What is the point of the reincarnation?

We must back up a little. Our souls are all part of one soul. At root we are one. Brotherhood is actually a fact in nature when we look to the underlying reality. Each of these seemingly separate individualities gains experience, learns lessons - and ultimately, the consciousness of the universe gains increasing experience, increases in relative perfection, and increases in self-conciousness.

more at: http://www.blavatsky.net/topics/reincarnation/reincarnation.htm

[jordyn]

People aren't skeptical about any of the concepts that have been presented, but the conflicts, contradictions and general theme does not make sense or mesh well, at all. *shrugs If you present an outrageous claim, you have to defend it with a sensible arguement when it's questioned. In all brutal honesty it sounds like the storyline of a new cw series, you have to explain why it's not a flight offancy and back it up. It's debate, not personal.

[Nyxus]

Yes there is a real dark Brotherhood today. Nyxus, dude, thats pretty great of you to try and bring them all back together and all but if you try and restore your power it may very well distroy you. vladimyr was a really powerful dude! not to metion that you would most likely lose yourself. Oh and if you do become Vladimyr then YOU would be lost and HE would have a pretty rough time in todays society. Not saying i've seen it before but i'll tell you its not easy!

Wow...
Okay.
First of all, genius, I am Vladimyr reincarnated as someone else. So while I retain his memories, that does not make him a force that can overpower me, merely another mind I have access to.
Secondly, the Dark Brotherhood of today is a pathetic attempt at birthing the antichrist using distorted knowledge and history from lord knows what source.

yes i saw that, a shame. It looked pretty cool, but its frowned upon by the brotherhood. I think it would be awesome to meet everyone's reincarnations of the original Brotherhood! so i was wondering, since your the reincarnation of vladmiyr does that mean you would automaticly be accepted or are you already a member.  And would you still have to carry out the deed?

See above response.
I already know the other 6 reincarnates and they share the same knowledge I do.

That sucks...do you really think you'd be able to duplicate what's been lost with nothing to understand the culture that designed it while getting people to help you ressurect some man so evil he was wiped out of human memory by an archangel?  Personally i'm looking forward to meeting aleister crowley's incarnate, it seems a video game found the info though and are making a pretty penny with it.

I never once said anything about duplicating what they did.
Secondly, he was never wiped out of human memory, especially not by an archangel, otherwise I wouldn't remember and talk to him in meditation, you twit. Reread my first post and please educate yourself before you tell me what happened in my past life.
The video game Oblivion had creative story boarders to make up a cult for the video game and it has nothing to do with the ACTUAL Dark Brotherhood.
The bond placed on the 7 by Michael lasted for a set number of years and it lifted this year.

Wait. THERE'S A REAL DARK BROTHERHOOD??

Yes.

The White Brotherhood was a cover operation So Vladimyr could work under the king's protection.
The Dark Brotherhood was disguised as a White Brotherhood and all records of it have been destroyed by reincarnations of Vladimyr.
The flute is a demonic instrument, yes?
And tell me more about the Son of Troth.
I found out about them through many sources, but the most prominent being I am the reincarnation of Vladimyr Shayde.

How do you know this?
I dunno if the flute is demonic or not, my guess is that its a high tech energy source, in wrong hands it can be used as a weapon prolly.

I never heard of this Vladimyr persona.

If I knew about the Son of Toth more, I wouldnt ask if anyone knows anything. Im clueless. I got the info in a vision.

Through advanced meditation and vision communication with past lives.
If were talking about the same flute, it is a powerful weapon created by some wizard with the help of demons. It can bend energy and time.

thats pretty great of you to try and bring them all back together

why do you think that, please explain?

Oh and if you do become Vladimyr...

he wont, real life is not a movie.

...YOU would be lost and HE would have a pretty rough time in todays society.

If what he stated is true (which I seriously doubt), then he already is Vladymir and he already is having a rough time. We are talking about the same persona, not the ghost of Vladymir possessing the body of Nyxus. Can you follow the obvious catch?

Thank you for speaking common sense.
We are the same.
Two minds, one body.

[Nyxus]

People aren't skeptical about any of the concepts that have been presented, but the conflicts, contradictions and general theme does not make sense or mesh well, at all. *shrugs If you present an outrageous claim, you have to defend it with a sensible arguement when it's questioned. In all brutal honesty it sounds like the storyline of a new cw series, you have to explain why it's not a flight offancy and back it up. It's debate, not personal.

This isn't a debate.
I asked if anyone could provide information, not for anyones opinion.

[Nyxus]

I don't think he said that he was already Vladimyr. Thats obvious because he's still refering to Vladimyr as a second persona and he said that he wanted to bring the cult back together so he needed to know how to restore VLADIMYRS power, he never said MY power. Therefore he still needs to know how to bring the Vladimyr part out of him.

Vladimyr and I are one in the same.
I refer to him as "Vladimyr" because I am talking about his time on earth, duh.
I can start saying "we" if it will get you idiots to stop trying to tell everyone what I meant when I talk about MY past lives.

[Nyxus]

I'm sorry if I was harsh in my response to any of you.
As you can imagine, though, it is rather annoying to come back to my question to see it hiijacked by a bunch of people butchering what I said, twisting my words and debating MY OWN past lives and video game culture.

There is a subtle difference between mildly amusing trolling and just plain boring.

You have defined it admirably.

If were talking about the same flute, it is a powerful weapon created by some wizard with the help of demons. It can bend energy and time.

The flute Im talking about wasnt created by sorcery but by high tech. I guess we are not talking about the same thing.