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Title: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Nina on January 25, 2012, 03:19:50 AM
(http://api.ning.com/files/BDAWjdRdJpYoHpOgK0LwwRolUj1r*bGflR8wFwnuBaFTzvYmzhcNXY1DHz5S9Q3eenDl0rnXHMsxi0XEIY6IdfnvzC-dKKi3/bosnianpyramid.jpg)

This is really an amazing story.  A team of physicists have detected an energy beam that is coming out of the top of the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun!    The radius of the beam is 4.5 meters with a frequency of 28 kHz.  The energy beam is continuous and its strength grows as it moves up and away from the pyramid.  The physics they teach us in school says that this is impossible because the intensity of electromagnetic energy goes down the farther you get from the source.  It This pyramid is over 10,000 years old and apparently it's still producing energy after all these years!


rest at: project.nsearch (http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/bosnian-pyramid-shoots-energy-beam-into-space)
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Jake on January 25, 2012, 04:29:31 AM
Sam Osmanagić, the American businessman who makes all these claims, never provides photographs, data, research papers, peer reviewed studies, or, in fact, any form of evidence for his bizarre beliefs. But as Egyptologist Dr. Zahi Hawass said: "His previous claim that the Maya are from the Pleiades and Atlantis should be enough for any educated reader..."

It's all very well to say that physicists have detected a beam of energy shooting out of it - but I can say the same about my garden shed. Without proof, they're just empty words.

1. Who are the "physicists"?
2. Where is their research published?
3. What do they mean by "energy beam"? LASER? MASER? Sonic? Particle?
4. Why doesn't this energy beam effect anyone or anything that stands on top of the hill?
5. Why has it never been detected by any other physicist?

Everyone is entitled to hold strange beliefs. The real tragedy here, as pointed out in an article in Science by actual Bosnian archaeologists, is that "funding and attention are going to the fanciful pyramid theory while the nation's real heritage remains underfunded and underprotected. The "Bosnian Pyramids" have become a matter of national pride for a nation still feeling the wounds of the bitter war of the 1990s. Osmanagic has made Bosnia the cradle of civilization, or as he terms it, "supercivilization".

This is the sort of nationalistic chest-thumping that got the Balkans into trouble in the first place."
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Nina on January 25, 2012, 09:36:45 AM
I guess u havent visited Bosnia lately then? ;)
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Jake on January 25, 2012, 09:42:41 AM
I guess u havent visited Bosnia lately then? ;)

Relevance?
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Nina on January 25, 2012, 09:45:53 AM
Yes, quite huge actually. If u walked through the tunnels in the pyramid and saw the thing with ur own eyes, im sure u would talk different. Just cause scientific "big shots" say something is there or isnt, that doesnt mean they are right. Big shots have named many of those that broke the borders of what was thought of as TRUE crazy and phony... but look at them now: all accepted theories and TRUTHS now :)
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Jake on January 25, 2012, 10:04:58 AM
If I had been there recently I would have photographed it.
If u walked through the tunnels in the pyramid and saw the thing with ur own eyes, im sure u would talk different.

That's a possibility - but you're saying that and you haven't seen the pyramid or the tunnels, either. You're taking hearsay and passing on more hearsay.

One person who photographed the site extensively in 2006 was Collette Dowell, who said of her findings:

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I have traveled around the world studying the design and building methods of ancient sites, including pyramids, stone circles, tumuli, barrows, dolmens, quoits, temples, mounds, cathedrals of various ages and heritage, as well as being involved in restoration of historical sites. My first impression and thought when I stepped on Visocica Hill was, “Where are the remnants of any part of a foundation for such a colossal monument and where are the man-made stones?” I had brought my line levels, squares, compasses, a fifty-foot reel of measuring tape, English and Metric measuring devices, and all of my little gadgets and graph paper I use to draw schematics of any interesting details. I also had my video and still photography camera, tape recorders, and dictators to record and document ‘history in the making.’ But my gut feeling and what I was experiencing was not of authenticity, it was a farce, phony, not real; what I saw was parts of a hill being chopped, carved, and manufactured into bits of a pyramid that somewhat resembled Central American pyramids. I was flabbergasted. I was in the midst of a huge hoax and commercial enterprise that was politically motivated - and I knew it. Then there was the infamous tunnel, whoa, what a surprise; it was just as unreal as the hills we were hiking...

I comprehend the entire pyramid scheme as a choreographed hoax to boost the economy of Bosnia and to fill the pockets and egos of the elite few at the cost of the many vulnerable who are in need of filling a void within themselves.
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Jake on January 25, 2012, 10:47:00 AM
Genuine research into the "Bosnian pyramids":

Le site d’Irna - Enquête sur les pseudo-pyramides de Bosnie (http://irna.lautre.net/)

(Helpfully, the site can be read in French, English and Serbo-Croat)
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Nina on January 26, 2012, 04:25:45 AM
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I comprehend the entire pyramid scheme as a choreographed hoax to boost the economy of Bosnia and to fill the pockets and egos of the elite few at the cost of the many vulnerable who are in need of filling a void within themselves.

whats that if not a poetic hear-say?
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Jake on January 26, 2012, 06:58:30 AM
Hm, you could see it that way; the difference is that her work has been published, I'm offering her name, she is well-reported elsewhere. The point I was making is that rather than just say "oh, x is such-and-such" or "a friend/some anonymous person said y" you are able to see exactly what Dowell said and photographed.

With regard to her conclusions about the scheme, that isn't hearsay - that is her directly quoted conclusion. It would only be hearsay if she had said, "I've heard that it is just a hoax etc."
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Nina on January 26, 2012, 08:20:04 AM
So, someone has credibility if they have money to publish their opinion? Interesting point :P
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Jake on January 26, 2012, 08:37:35 AM
Not at all. They have credibility because other people publish their opinion. Big difference.
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Jake on January 26, 2012, 08:47:15 AM
Besides which, credibility in this instance arises from verifiability and presentation of evidence. Dowell, for example, offers photographs of the naturally occurring geological formations which other geologists agree are not man-made structures, but which pyramid-theorists claim are evidence of a man-made structure. And so on.

If it was purely about who has the most cash and influence, then Sam Osmanagić would win hands down. And interestingly enough, isn't the family business tunnelling..?
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Nina on January 26, 2012, 09:38:19 AM
Well, i can give u names and addresses of those that were there, and that are helping to clear out the tunnels. Seems they have been filled with sand that u cannot find no where near Visoko, in order to hide there is something of such importance. The difference is, i know personally people that did that, and u dont, u trust someone based on photographs and their legibility is something that we could discuss for hours, debate on why they are accepted and why Semir isnt... maybe we should both go to the pyramids and see for ourselves?
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Jake on January 26, 2012, 02:03:25 PM
Well, i can give u names and addresses of those that were there, and that are helping to clear out the tunnels.

Are they geologists? Archaeologists? Historians? What exactly are their qualifications?

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Seems they have been filled with sand that u cannot find no where near Visoko, in order to hide there is something of such importance.

"Seems"? Another unscientific claim. The aggregate dug out of these tunnels has been declared normal sandstone and Miocene conglomerates by geologists. The same material that the tunnels are dug through, in fact.

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The difference is, i know personally people that did that, and u dont, u trust someone based on photographs

I know people who believe in all kinds of things that are unproven. Just because I know them doesn't make them any more trustworthy - evidentially - than someone I don't know.

These tunnels are also not actually in the supposed "pyramid" are they? In fact, Osmanagić has simply declared that anything within about a 10km radius must be part of the "pyramid complex". The tunnels you are talking about are the ones that were found about 3km away at Ravne. Back in 2006 when these were first being explored, fairly modern graffiti (http://irna.lautre.net/IMG/jpg/BTgraf1225.jpg) was found inside them. This has since been removed. Concrete drainage pipes of a type only used after the start of the 20th century have also been found in them - conveniently, the pyramid people now say they put them there, despite video evidence clearly showing this type of pipe when the tunnels were first "opened up" by the team...

All the real experts have dismissed the tunnel as simply old mine workings which now conveniently fit into the great scheme to build a vast tourist hot spot and archaeological "theme park." They even call themselves The Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation.

One geologist who saw the tunnels in 2006 said: "However, the tunnel we were allowed to see was removed by several kilometers from the socalled “pyramids” and was not in hard bedrock, but in loose, relatively unconsolidated, sand, pebbles, and rock fragments (alluvium or colluvium) that probably date much later than the Miocene rocks of which the “pyramid hills” are formed. We were continually told that these tunnels were ancient, man-made, and had something to do with the “pyramids,” but on the face of it the tunnels appeared to possibly be natural features formed by underground streams that have been further enhanced by human excavation, perhaps in relatively recent times. We saw no direct connection between the tunnels and the so-called “pyramids.”... Clearly modern graffiti is found throughout the tunnel..."

"The “Pyramid of the Sun,” though simply a natural hill, does tower above the surrounding landscape and overlooks Visoko. Its strategic position was recognized in ancient times. The Romans built a fort on its summit, later to be replaced by a medieval fortress. So, yes, there are genuine ancient archaeological remains associated with the “pyramids” of Visoko, but that does not change the fact that they are natural hills. Meanwhile Osmanagic’s crews continue their excavations, and as a result the hills surrounding the vicinity of Visoko are being carved and sculpted into Mayan-style step pyramids and their remains hauled off with a tremendous loss of artifacts and fossils..."

As declared by professional archaeologists from around Europe: "This scheme is a cruel hoax on an unsuspecting public and has no place in the world of genuine science. It is a waste of scarce resources that would be much better used in protecting the genuine archaeological heritage and is diverting attention from the pressing problems that are affecting professional archaeologists in BosniaHerzegovina on a daily basis"



Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Nina on January 27, 2012, 12:55:37 AM
Is it your job to discredit everything?

Here are some quite interesting findings that say quite opposite of what your " scientists" say. Sadly, i dont feel like translating, but im sure ull handle :) :

http://www.jutarnji.hr/piramide--bosna--bosanska-piramida-mjeseca-gradena-je-prije-10-tisuca-godina--/949699/ (http://www.jutarnji.hr/piramide--bosna--bosanska-piramida-mjeseca-gradena-je-prije-10-tisuca-godina--/949699/)

http://bospiramids.blogspot.com/ (http://bospiramids.blogspot.com/)

http://www.cafe.ba/vijesti/26155_Bosanska-piramida-Sunca-Pronadjena-keramicka-skulptura-od-osam-tona.html (http://www.cafe.ba/vijesti/26155_Bosanska-piramida-Sunca-Pronadjena-keramicka-skulptura-od-osam-tona.html)

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I know people who believe in all kinds of things that are unproven.

I know people who would do ANYTHING to disprove what cannot be made public.
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Jake on January 27, 2012, 03:25:56 AM
LOL These are just press releases from Osmanagić.

No wonder they don't say the same as the "scientists" - BECAUSE THEY DON'T CONTAIN ANY SCIENCE!

All you're doing is spamming links from various sites repeating the words of Osmanagić. There is no new evidence contained in them, just new claims of magic woo. They're not "findings", they're the imaginings of Osmanagić and his team.

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I know people who would do ANYTHING to disprove what cannot be made public.

No you don't. What you actually mean is you THINK there are "people who would do ANYTHING to disprove what cannot be made public" because that fits in with the rest of your New Age, mystical conspiracy theory. When science demonstrates that something you believe in is untrue, instead of learning from that experience, and applying those lessons to your future critical process, you scream "Conspiracy! Cover up!"

It is what is known as the "unsinkable rubber duck" - no matter how thoroughly something is debunked, "believers" insist on keeping it afloat, keeping it bobbing on the surface and demanding it be debunked again. And again. And again.

The Bosnia pyramid hoax has been disproven since 2006. The only people still rattling on about it are people who would do ANYTHING to "prove" their delusions are true - including making up stories, and even sculpting a hill to make it look like a man-made pyramid... The real scientists and academics no longer waste their time on proving the non-existence of a man-made pyramid, but instead try to preserve the real archaeology in Bosnia. Interestingly, in one of the links Osmanagić accuses the various government departments and academic institutions that are holding up his excavation of "doing everything" [čine sve] to prevent the "development of tourism [turistički razvoj] in Bosnia"...

There is no conspiracy to hide the "truth" - when the pyramids were first announced, a lot of scientists took interest because this would have been an incredible new chapter in the history of Man. But it rapidly became obvious to archaeologists and geologists, both local, European and international, that the "pyramids" were just hills with triangular shaped slopes which owed everything to nature. Real scientists lost interest very quickly at that point.

The articles you link are also interesting in that they call Osmanagić an archaeologist and an anthropologist, when he is neither. Prior to the Visoko dig, he couldn't even be considered an amateur archaeologist: he had never participated in any excavation, never studied archaeology, and his sum total experience of archeology was a holiday tour of the pyramids of Central America.

His books reveal his understanding of "science": extraterrestrial ancestors of the Mayas, lost civilizations of Mu and Atlantis, Masonic and Illuminati conspiracies, "galactic alignment", the 2012 Mayan apocalypse, a potpourri of the ideas of José Argüelles, Erich von Dänicken, David Icke, Zecharia Sitchin, Richard Hoagland and Edgar Cayce, blah blah blah.

He immediately started claiming that any archaeologist who contacted him about working on the site was a member of his new foundation and a believer in his man-made pyramids. The first victim was Irish archaeologist Grace Fegan, who has explained:

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I have been a professional archaeologist since 1998 and am currently working for a private consultancy in Ireland. In the course of considering summer volunteer positions on various European excavations I contacted, among others, Mr Osmanagich. I found his contact details on the Archaeological Institute of America website... Mr Osmanagic said he would contact me with a definitive offer and also forwarded some information regarding the site.

The information came in the form of two reports, one was a 'geophysical survey report' (it was unlike any geophysical report I had ever seen) and the other was a 'geological report' (ditto). Having looked through this information it became clear that this project was dubious at best. I did some searching on the web and realised that Mr Osmanagic had no affiliations to any academic body, and was not a qualified archaeologist.

My mistake at this point was not emailing him immediately to inform him that I would not be taking part.

Before I knew it an article had appeared in an Irish newspaper, stating that I was going to be taking part in this Bosnian pyramid project...I also received phone calls from two British journalists enquiring as to the nature of my involvement in the project. These gentlemen were kind enough to inform me that I was listed on the project website as being one of the 'foreign experts' taking part. When I logged on to the website I found that I was listed as Senior Archaeologist... Most worrying of all was a link through which people could supposedly contact me.  When I clicked on it an email address came up of which I had no previous knowledge and to which I had no access.

Mr Osmanagich used my name in connection with his project when he had no right to do so... In addition he potentially misled those who visited the website that they could contact me, and that whatever responses they would receive would be from me.

With regard to the excavations taking place on the 'Bosnian Pyramid' site, I would be very surprised if at the end of the season Mr Osmanagich throws up his hands having failed to find definitive evidence supporting his argument. No matter what is there he will find what he is looking for. That is what happens when a site is not excavated by archaeologists, but glory hunters.

The same fate befell Royce Richards, an archaeologist from Australia (with again a title of "Senior Archaeologist" on the Foundation website). Also Allyson McDavid (USA), Chris Mundigler (Canada), Bruce Hitchner (USA) and Martin Aner (Austria)... What has happened to all the scientists that have worked on the foundation? Geophysicist Amer Smailbegovic walked out in 2006, archaeologists Silvana Čobanov and Nancy Galloufound also disappeared in 2006, geologist Nadija Nukić walked out in 2007, as did the director of the Visoko museum. Since 2007 the team has not included a geologist at all... Between 2007-2008, British archaeologist Andrew Lawler joined and tried - unsuccessfully - to impose a modicum of scientific method. He walked out in September 2008. He was replaced by Mislav Hollos, an artist (!) who was himself replaced in 2010 by a young Italian archaeologist, Sara Acconci, an expert in Etruscology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscology)...

The real evidence shows conclusively that at the time these pyramids were supposedly built, at the end of the last Ice Age, Europe was still locked in the Last Glacial Maximum. Real archaeology has found that the only people living in the region of the supposed pyramids at the time they were supposedly built were Paleolithic ("stone age") hunter/gatherers. We know this because of the ample real evidence of their open-air camp sites and traces of occupation in caves. We can see and touch their simple stone tools, hearths, and the remains of the animals and plants that they ate. This is real archaeology.

I could go on and on and on about this. But we've been here before, haven't we? Remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12nYRa8PTzo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12nYRa8PTzo)

I'm done with this. You can keep playing with your unsinkable rubber duck as long as you want. I'm sure you don't even read these posts. The most shocking thing of all for me about these kinds of theories is that the people supporting them claim to be seeking "the truth" and "answers" but in reality they have closed their eyes to the truth. They just want their delusions reinforced.

maybe we should both go to the pyramids and see for ourselves?

I dunno. That's over £200 in flights to Sarajevo, then on top of that accomodation in Sarajevo, all to see something that has already been debunked. There are anecdotal reports that non-believers and anybody who questions the validity of the site are cold-shouldered out anyway. Plus its more money into their "tourist" scheme. So long as people keep visiting that place, they'll keep claiming its real.
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Nina on January 27, 2012, 06:03:27 AM
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No you don't. What you actually mean is you THINK there are "people who would do ANYTHING to disprove what cannot be made public" because that fits in with the rest of your New Age, mystical conspiracy theory. When science demonstrates that something you believe in is untrue, instead of learning from that experience, and applying those lessons to your future critical process, you scream "Conspiracy! Cover up!"

Im not a New Ager and science has been proven wrong many times over and over, until the ones making the rules of it didnt die, or another came with new theories. And yes, i am someone ud call a conspiracy theorist,but guess what: there are sooo many of us and there are sooo many of proven "theories" that only goons and secret society puppet can call a bluff these days.

Critical process?  Funny, really. Im laughing really hard.
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Finrod852 on February 16, 2013, 03:54:26 PM
I'm so disappointed. I was really busy with my assignments, I missed the 3 stars and pyramid alignments. :(
Title: Re: Bosnian Pyramid Shoots Energy Beam into Space!
Post by: Finrod852 on February 20, 2013, 09:23:46 PM
Is that a book Jake? I'd be so totally interested in reading that! I find the distopias of humanity fascinating, but the Utopias are also terrific works of literary art.