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Is it possible that wars are being now fought and have been fought to cover up secrets found that would be considered to dangerous for so called regular (whatever normal or regular is) people to know about?
Is it possible the wars in the Middle East among others are not just to fight against terrorism ect but also to hide & gather whatever has been found with the knowledge, permission, cooperation of some of the "leaders" of the countries where war(s) are being fought? Especially since so many museums and private collectors have been robbed during riots and thieves. Pieces of relics may not mean much to collectors whether private or stored in a gigantic museum basement labyrinths. So if all the pieces need to be found or put together wouldn't they-the very few individuals who are involved who really know the truth- wouldn't they do whatever they had to in order to possess them?
I do believe ancient humans among other life had great minds that went to the extreme even destroying most life here on Earth and possibly elsewhere as well. Ancients could DNA mix as well as having other sciences mind boggling to us. Although the science could be different even organic in nature could it be understandable to us if studied? I believe ancients could contact life all over and within Earth as well as inter -dimensional and universal creatures.
What do you think?
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« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 01:42:53 AM by Eleanora »
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Re: Wars in Middle East and other places to hide secrets of ancients/others?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 10:56:03 AM »
Firstly, continental Europe has seen more wars than the Middle East. That aside, however,

Is it possible that wars are being now fought and have been fought to cover up secrets found that would be considered to dangerous for so called regular (whatever normal or regular is) people to know about?

It’s possible that wars are fought on spurious grounds; less possible that wars are fought simply to "cover up" a secret. Wars are not an easy business, and there are too many people willing and able to question a government’s grounds for going to war to make it viable simply to conceal "a secret.”

Is it possible the wars in the Middle East among others are not just to fight against terrorism ect but also to hide & gather whatever has been found with the knowledge, permission, cooperation of some of the "leaders" of the countries where war(s) are being fought? Especially since so many museums and private collectors have been robbed during riots and thieves. Pieces of relics may not mean much to collectors whether private or stored in a gigantic museum basement labyrinths. So if all the pieces need to be found or put together wouldn't they-the very few individuals who are involved who really know the truth- wouldn't they do whatever they had to in order to possess them?

It would make a good plot for a book or a movie… if it hadn’t already been used dozens of times. “Bulletproof Monk”…“Tomb Raider”… “Hellboy”…“Raiders Of The Lost Ark”… “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade“ etc.

I think that the greatest cover up of all is that people still think the recent wars fought in Iraq or Afghanistan have anything to do with “terrorism”! Let’s be brutally honest – the Middle East is a vast craphole on top of OIL fields, that just happens to surround the strategically vital Suez Canal and Red Sea OIL route… Afghanistan is a crappy land-locked wasteland which just happens to be in the way of the best route for the transportation of GAS from the Caspian region…

I do believe ancient humans among other life had great minds that went to the extreme even destroying most life here on Earth and possibly elsewhere as well.

Why? What evidence is there for this claim? Even a cursory study of history would demonstrate this to be false.

Ancients could DNA mix as well as having other sciences mind boggling to us.

What is DNA mixing? Do you mean genetic engineering? There is zero evidence of this, and even today with our vastly superior equipment and understanding GE remains a haphazard and unpredictable process. What are these other “sciences” you speak of which are “mind boggling” to us?


I believe ancients could contact life all over and within Earth as well as inter -dimensional and universal creatures.


Before tackling the idea of communication with them, what evidence is there even for the existence of “inter-dimensional and universal creatures”? Now or then?

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Re: Wars in Middle East and other places to hide secrets of ancients/others?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 12:47:11 AM »
Hi Jake,
Well first what evidence is there that these did not exist? Mind boggling to us does not mean a very long time ago people could not comprehend and do things we would be beyond stunned to see.
There are people who have seen and do know what is out there and around us. They have been in all sorts of posts and have risked and died to hide things and expose them.

That "wasteland" was not always a desert at all it was completely different. Climates and Earth changes such as an ice age not to mention the sinking to the deepest of waters of lands and rising of land have changed the planet so much. Not even the North or South poles are then what they are now. Land masses have split through time as well.
We all are conditioned as children through are entire lives to believe that it cannot be possible unless someone who has the right professional pedigree (pedigree is the only word I can think of right now no offense meant) tells us it's true.
Only thing is one day you walk head on into something or your whole life you are able to know more than you may want or need to. So I've heard on the subject anyways.

Wars are just people who turn against one another and can also be used against each other if maneuvered correctly. All wars as cover ups is not what I meant but I did make it sound that way. That was my own mistake. I do apologize for that. I think these battles even wars are taken advantage of or made worse if necessary in order to get what is needed but that is how war as well as politics :-) work anyways.
The ancient deserts and Asia have a much longer history than Europe in what we know in certain ways. But even the Inquisitions and so on were used to hide certain things not just to rid the world of evil and heretics.
America has been visited by Vikings, Europeans and the Chinese long before Columbus.
Look into the European Renaissance it happened not long after a diplomatic visit of the greatest of all minds and people from Asia. Considered to be mainly a Chinese diplomatic mission other races of people were probably present too. They taught what they knew to people spending a long time in Europe before leaving. Not long after the great minds of Renaissance began to gain fame sadly mainly European white minds got all the credit.
Look at where the Renaissance began and where this Asian diplomatic mission landed and stayed. Was it just because the Chinese came to Europe that the Renaissance happened? No. But it helped and proves people moved great distances than we usually imagine possible then. People knew how to travel great distances and do it well. All cultures were inspired by each other no matter how far away from one another they were. They were smart enough and did stay in contact and learn from one another. But that was after it had to re-learned since we keep destroying ourselves.

Scientific researchers and scientist said many decades would pass before any cloning (DNA manipulation) to even really have a chance of happening. Than Dolly the sheep made the world news.
Just because we don't want to believe something or we're told it cannot happen it never did happen it doesn't mean it cannot or did not.
Hey in fiction category we did go to the moon well before the 20Th century book wise. Fiction can have truth too and lets us wonder about what if some of those things are true. I agree good stories but that does not mean this is all about a lot of books and movies.
Scepticism is smart but you cannot dismiss everything any more than you can accept everything.
Europeans were in what is now Ethiopia and what is called the Middle East hundreds of years before the crusades.
Maybe I have some things off and not just my mind :-D but take a look see into history. But do keep your scepticism that is important I truly believe that.
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« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 01:44:24 AM by Eleanora »
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Re: Wars in Middle East and other places to hide secrets of ancients/others?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 08:20:25 AM »
Straight off the bat, don’t take my skepticism as a personal attack =) I don’t mean to critique you as a person or as a human being who in all likelihood I would consider a wonderful individual and conversationalist in real life – I am purely critiquing your ideas. I don’t want to claim that my ideas are superior to yours, just that I have doubts based on your lack of evidence or the existence of counter-evidence.

Well first what evidence is there that these did not exist?
That’s fallacious logic, and an attempt to shift the burden of proof: the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges.

Mind boggling to us does not mean a very long time ago people could not comprehend and do things we would be beyond stunned to see.
Such as? Sure, ancient civilizations were far more capable than many people might believe, but this isn’t evidence of superior science or lost wisdoms.

There are people who have seen and do know what is out there and around us. They have been in all sorts of posts and have risked and died to hide things and expose them.
Says who? What things?

That "wasteland" was not always a desert at all it was completely different. Climates and Earth changes such as an ice age not to mention the sinking to the deepest of waters of lands and rising of land have changed the planet so much. Not even the North or South poles are then what they are now. Land masses have split through time as well.
You’re mixing and matching your claims to fit your conclusion here. It doesn’t matter that there has been change in climate, or flora and fauna, or even in the position of landmasses over millions of years. For oil deposits to exist now, we know that an area must have been rich in organic material 250 million years ago… but the earliest evidence of humanoids in the middle east region dates from the – in geological terms – extremely recent Paleolithic period (100,000-10,000 BCE). The middle east’s climate hasn’t changed much, in comparative terms, since then…

With regard to the poles, the last geomagnetic reversal occurred around 780,000 years ago – anatomically modern humans didn’t occur until 200,000 years ago.

We all are conditioned as children through are entire lives to believe that it cannot be possible unless someone who has the right professional pedigree (pedigree is the only word I can think of right now no offense meant) tells us it's true.
It has nothing to do with the “right person” or their professional credentials:  either a conclusion is the result of good science, or it isn’t.


America has been visited by Vikings, Europeans and the Chinese long before Columbus.
You state this as though it were fact. While we now have evidence of Norse settlements dating to the 10th century in Greenland, and also in Newfoundland, there is no evidence – only unsupported conjecture – of other Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact from Europe. Likewise, the China hypothesis is unproven, has yet to be backed by any evidence, and is considered by mainstream historians to be completely fictitious.

Look into the European Renaissance it happened not long after a diplomatic visit of the greatest of all minds and people from Asia. Considered to be mainly a Chinese diplomatic mission other races of people were probably present too. They taught what they knew to people spending a long time in Europe before leaving. Not long after the great minds of Renaissance began to gain fame sadly mainly European white minds got all the credit.
Ah, this and your previous claim about the discovery of the Americas now makes sense: you have read Gavin Menzies’ books 1421: The Year China Discovered The World and 1434: The Year a Magnificent Chinese Fleet Sailed to Italy and Ignited the Renaissance, both of which have been dismissed by historians who have examined his claims as “historical fiction.” Menzies is a crank who has made millions from these controversial books, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if his next one was titled 1451: The Year a Chinese Rocket First Landed on the Moon… He writes in a convincing style, and revisionist-history has been popular for quite some time – it  is easy to take his assertions at face value. But when researchers have tested the validity of his claims, they all fall apart. I’m not going to waste space here de-bunking his claims as there are many, many other internet sites which already do that in great detail.

This is the subtle difference between you and I – we obviously have both read the same books, but where you got to the end and were gobsmacked that these new “facts” had been brought to light, I got to the end and then went back with a highlighter pen to double check the evidence they claimed. With many of these historical-revisionist books, they have pulled a very clever “intellectual sleight-of-hand” that rigorous examination exposes. Some are the work of misguided crackpots, some are the work of pseudo-scholarly charlatans cashing-in on the credulity of readers, bordering on intellectual dishonesty.

But that was after it had to re-learned since we keep destroying ourselves.
Why do you claim we keep destroying ourselves? Civilizations rise and fall – that isn’t the same as mankind “destroying itself”…

Scientific researchers and scientist said many decades would pass before any cloning (DNA manipulation) to even really have a chance of happening. Than Dolly the sheep made the world news.
No, that isn’t the case at all. In fact, the first successful cloning of an animal – a tadpole – may have occurred in 1952. Fish were cloned in the 60s, and sheep had previously been cloned by the same institute that cloned Dolly. Dolly was simply the first mammal to be cloned from an adult somatic cell.

Just because we don't want to believe something or we're told it cannot happen it never did happen it doesn't mean it cannot or did not.
That isn’t really a valid argument for anything. The reverse: Just because we WANT to believe something or someone SAYS it could happen doesn’t mean it can or has.

That is why we maintain an inquiring-mind but demand evidence.

Europeans were in what is now Ethiopia and what is called the Middle East hundreds of years before the crusades
I’m not sure what your point is. The Romans occupied large tracts of the middle east and north Africa as early as 20BCE, over a thousand years before the first Crusade.

Scepticism is smart but you cannot dismiss everything any more than you can accept everything.
Actually, it means I can doubt everything which is unproven. Instead of simply accepting something that is claimed, I can ask for proof, or look to see if proof exists, or even if the evidence points in a completely different direction.

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Re: Wars in Middle East and other places to hide secrets of ancients/others?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 12:48:33 PM »
I totally agree, conspiracy theories are entertaining and old civilizations have a lot to teach us but I dont see any relationships between war in middle-east and stolen artefacts. There are wars because we need them, especially those who sell weapons and buy oil.

Egypt might be an interesting place because it is supposed to have a network of tunnels underneath the Sphinx but Egyptians are very reluctant to let anyone search there.
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