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Title: Changing the World
Post by: ravinclaw on June 28, 2011, 01:10:03 PM
If you could change one thing about the world we live in what would it be?

What would you do to set this change in motion?


None of us are compleatly satisfied with the way things are.... are we?
It can be anything you want.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Nina on June 28, 2011, 01:34:46 PM
Shut the banking system and ban fossil fuels  :roll:
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ViciouslyMe on June 28, 2011, 05:21:41 PM
Hmm, tough question. I would eliminate whatever it is that keeps people from saying whats on their mind. I don't mean getting rid of lies, but rather if someone has something to say that they say it.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: TheCopperDragon on July 18, 2011, 09:04:14 AM
-Bring the world under a Meritocracy (rule of the most intelligent).

-I would implement a 100% inheritance tax in order to start each citizen on the same starting line. There would be no rich elite to screw up the world.

-Education would be based on Myers Briggs personality types rather than the typical one-size-fits-all, so that everyone can appreciate school and NOT drop out. Education would also slightly be more rigorous, in that you would know what the hell Hegel's Dialectical system was by 1st grade and maybe you could tell me what a Lorenzo transformation formula was by 3rd.

-Anyone can believe whatever the hell they want, as long as their worldview upholds Human/Xeno Rights. In other words, while I wouldn't COMPLETELY trash Abrahamism, I would prevent parents from Baptizing or Circumcising their children until they are 18 years old, when they can make the decision for themselves! Any parent caught attempting to do so loses their child - it's really simple. Raising children is a secondary right--one that can be removed at any time.

-With the inheritance tax money, things like humanitarian efforts or education would be funded naturally by the government. Rather than funding wars, like our contemporary governments do, we should be funding peace on earth. Things such as Nuclear Fusion research and space travel would also be more heavily funded. Finally, getting each new citizen started with their life would, of course, be a high priority.

-Last but not least: Xenopolitics. Their are currently 14 (possibly 15) different alien factions down in the cave systems (the world is not really hollow), not including the Draconians, who are the true owners of the planet. Firstly, we are going to learn the way the Cosmos works on our own, we won't be accepting anyone's help. So basically, I'M NOT GOING TO SELL OUT MY OWN SPECIES FOR SOME DUMB TECHNOLOGY OR RESOURCES. Additionally, I would attempt to befriend any faction that our contemporary government has managed to screw with in the past.

It would be one helluva paradigm shift.

Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Nina on July 18, 2011, 07:58:51 PM
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-Last but not least: Xenopolitics. Their are currently 14 (possibly 15) different alien factions down in the cave systems (the world is not really hollow), not including the Draconians, who are the true owners of the planet. Firstly, we are going to learn the way the Cosmos works on our own, we won't be accepting anyone's help. So basically, I'M NOT GOING TO SELL OUT MY OWN SPECIES FOR SOME DUMB TECHNOLOGY OR RESOURCES. Additionally, I would attempt to befriend any faction that our contemporary government has managed to screw with in the past.

Im really interested in where did you get that info from, the number of alien factions, and what gave you the idea that Draconians are TRUE owners of this world? Why wouldn't u accept anyone's help? What if the tech isn't that dumb? And finally, do you think that any faction is really responsible for screwed up planet more than a human one?

ps: i agree with the rest, just curious about last part ;)  
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: matthew321 on July 18, 2011, 08:43:05 PM
I personally disagree with TheCopperDragon. I like what you are trying to do, but disagree on how to do it. (Isn't that what they call a political debate?)

I would not let the most intelligent people rule my government, that should not be a requisite. Intelligence is indeed necessary but not the only thing. (intelligent people can plan, much farther ahead.. in our favor or against us)  Plus what happens if the intelligent people don't want to rule the government? Or we run out of candidates that fit the bill? (the movie idocracy is a bit extreme, but we must do everything to stop that.) 

So if I offer criticism, I must have my own idea right? Well to be frank, I don't know. I of course have my own ideas, but implementation is going to be difficult. I think ANY system of government can work, if and only if, the power is always used for the people. I am simple and naive, but I truly believe any system can work as long as those in charge are kind. Even if they screw up, make the wrong choice, etc. As long as they listen to the people and do their best to do what the majority thinks is right, I don't see how such a system can fail. This applies even to communism (which would be my least favorite to employ here) If the population was smaller then even this system would be just fine.. Despite any screw ups, we can use our humanity to fill in the gaps. If we lack so much confidence in our ability to be kind, then how deserving of a utopia are we?
Despite the flaws of all these governments, just throw in people who will listen to what the population wants. We can fill in the gaps, we will make it work.

I agree that we need to start over, everyone starts equal. Status can then become greater or lower, but it starts the same. But if you implement such a tax, who wants to be in your country? What will happen to the population of others? The idea is fine, but the trouble is getting it to work. But we will never know if we don't try.

I agree with the next two, no problems there, only how to implement it.

Since I am unsure if I would do the tax or not myself, I don't have a comment on how it would be spent. However, your suggestion sure makes sense to me.

For the alien technology, I am not saying aliens do or do not exist. But I sure would not trust them. They could give us nice technology, that they would know a lot more about even if they teach us. They would have back door access to such technology, and alternative uses we had not thought of. If we rapidly acquire technology too fast, it will cause many problems. So my solution to this is, take it slow. I do not know the right or wrong way to approach this one, but I have ideas on what the wrong way might be. That is the only baseline I have for this argument.

As for what I would change about the world.. you said only one thing.. I would need to think a bit longer on that...
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ViciouslyMe on July 18, 2011, 08:51:02 PM
I kind of have to disagree with most of CopperDragon's post, especially the idea of a Meritocracy. Intelligent people running the world wouldn't mean in any way that they have the people in mind when making decisions, it just means they're smart. And even then, there are various ways to measure intelligence. And those that are seen as intelligent have things in which they struggle or fail. As for the rest, I'd rather not get into it. Especially the last one about the 14 (possibly 15) alien factions. Also, if they live here on (or rather in the) earth, are they really aliens?
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Nina on July 19, 2011, 02:21:19 AM
We already accepted tech that aint doin us good. Just check your Windows operating system. And its not even alien xD

And true, intelligence doesnt have to be a good thing for humanity. Also, if they are not human, what else would you call them but alien?
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ViciouslyMe on July 19, 2011, 07:47:36 AM
We'd give them one as a classification, but they would then just be another species that inhabits Earth.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Muerte on July 19, 2011, 09:14:26 AM
  CopperDragon, you have already failed the exercise.  What was asked for was one thing that you would change.  What, did you misunderstand the word one?  I bet your math is fairly interesting, tell me, is 1 plus 1 for you 6?


  ONE thing I would change....................Easy.  I would eliminate peoples need to rely on others.  No more need for people to turn to Religion to make moral decisions.  No more waiting for someone to come along and tell you to get off your ass and work.  No more letting others walk all over people because they have no desire to stop others from doing so. 

  Self dependence that is what I would like to give the world.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: AWBrielle on July 19, 2011, 11:37:16 AM
Gas costs.

No, I joke. Though that would be very, very nice. I've to ponder on this one a little more - give me some time.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Daemonin on July 19, 2011, 03:47:51 PM
I...  think I would change the government's ability to tell you what you can and can't use as far as medicine and medical procedures.  My elaboration?

Herbal remedies shouldn't have to be legalized or approved by some government official/cabinet/office/etc.   

As far as childbirth goes... It should not be illegal to give birth to your baby with a midwife without doctor supervision :P Stupid Alabama...
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ViciouslyMe on July 19, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
My only problem there, Daemonin, is that there would just be too many people that would abuse. I mean hell, just look at how things that are legalized are abused. And the illegal once would only increase in abuse. And please don't attempt to retort with some comment about there being no bad side affects, because everything comes with a cost. Some just not as obvious as others.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: TheCopperDragon on July 19, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
 CopperDragon, you have already failed the exercise.  What was asked for was one thing that you would change.  What, did you misunderstand the word one?  I bet your math is fairly interesting, tell me, is 1 plus 1 for you 6?

I agree that self-dependence is a damn good start... but this first part that I've quoted... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! I'll put up how ever many items I want, without your permission. He said one, but he didn't say NO MORE. Loophole.  :mrgreen:

And math is pretty interesting; I'm sure you could theoretically make 1+1=6.

Finally, exercise? This is a forum, not a gym; that would be across the street.

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Im really interested in where did you get that info from, the number of alien factions, and what gave you the idea that Draconians are TRUE owners of this world? Why wouldn't u accept anyone's help? What if the tech isn't that dumb? And finally, do you think that any faction is really responsible for screwed up planet more than a human one?

ps: i agree with the rest, just curious about last part Wink

No don't worry about me, I'm just a nutter with nothing to say. Humans screwed up the most, I think. 50ish percent of the world beg for some bearded guy on a cloud to come back on a certain day and DESTROY THE WORLD, EVERY SUNDAY (or Saturday). And people think I'M PSYCHO!!  :gun:

Their tech isn't dumb, I'd rather that humanity figured things out for themselves. If they could figure it out on their own, so could we.

To all other criticisms (they ARE welcome BTW) -

 ANY system could work with perfect people with no personal aspirations; unfortunately, Nietzsche, with his Will To Power, shows humanity's true nature in a different light.

The idea behind Meritocracy is that private bankers, monarchies, dynasties, etc would all be destroyed, starting everyone on an equal level.  At the same time, peoples natural desire for competition would be sated (I didn't mention this last post, I don't think) with typical capitalistic features, like competing brands and such.

I'm still working out, with others, on how leadership would be handled. There would be an elected government, sort of, but they wouldn't have any room to initiate their own agenda. With this government, private bankers pay our "good" senators and representatives to screw us over with their plans.

Oh, who would live in my country? No one has to, just like no one has to live in a Communist country, or better yet, a country ruled by MUSLIMS! You know, the guys who chop your head off for disagreeing that the Koran is the whole truth?

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As long as they listen to the people and do their best to do what the majority thinks is right, I don't see how such a system can fail.

This one made my day.  *<:) I bet you wouldn't say that if the majority thought genocide of a country was acceptable, while you, in the minority, thought it was freaking insane.

The system wouldn't fail; our species would.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ViciouslyMe on July 19, 2011, 09:44:34 PM
Yeah, just don't forget that you are a part of that species. And it shows very well.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Nina on July 20, 2011, 04:10:02 AM
:( And you didnt answer any of my questions....
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: TheCopperDragon on July 20, 2011, 05:29:26 AM
Yeah, just don't forget that you are a part of that species. And it shows very well.

I wouldn't care about humanity if I were a different species. I'm afraid you are gonna have to gun me down before I shut the living hell up.

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And you didnt answer any of my questions....

http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_lacerta_files.htm (http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_lacerta_files.htm)

At first, I wasn't so concerned... but something happened to me and I realized this was completely true. And this isn't even my motive for changing the world, it's only a very small part.

My main motive is reality, that a bunch of jackasses are in charge of humanity right now and have been since the beginning. I really don't care if people are happy or not at this point, I know of thousands that are not. And I'm not everyone is happy, then I'm sure as hell not happy.

Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Muerte on July 20, 2011, 09:25:59 AM
I agree that self-dependence is a damn good start... but this first part that I've quoted... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! I'll put up how ever many items I want, without your permission. He said one, but he didn't say NO MORE. Loophole.  :mrgreen:

And math is pretty interesting; I'm sure you could theoretically make 1+1=6.

Finally, exercise? This is a forum, not a gym; that would be across the street.


  Loophole?  Really?  Is that how you wish to clear the egg from your face?  Let me see, how do I respond to such a flimsy attempt at justification.  I know, I'll go ahead and quote my son.............FAIL!  If you knew Ravin at all you would know he only post exactly what he means, not what he thinks you'll assume.  (And you know what they say about assumptions I bet).  The point of his question is for the participant to pick the one thing they believe would best help change the world.  It is quite simple to choose a plethora of choices to change things, much hard to choose the one single idea that would have the best benefit.

  As for math?  You proved my point for me.  How?  Because if you change the number1 in anyway it is no longer the number 1.  (For instance if you write it in this fashion -1 it becomes a negative integer and to add      -1+1=     .......I'll let you fill in the blank.  Now if you can find a way to make 1+1=6 I'll be more than happy to listen, if not..........

  Exercise.  How versatile you are with the English language assuming (there is that word again) that it could only have but one definition.  Here I am going to do you a favor and take time out of my life to show you something you should have been able to do for yourself before you open mouth and inserted foot.

  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exercise (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exercise)

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  ex•er•cise (ksr-sz)
n.
1. An act of employing or putting into play; use: the free exercise of intellect; the exercise of an option.
2. The discharge of a duty, function, or office.
3. Activity that requires physical or mental exertion, especially when performed to develop or maintain fitness: took an hour of vigorous daily exercise at a gym.
4. A task, problem, or other effort performed to develop or maintain fitness or increase skill: a piano exercise; a memory exercise.
5. An activity having a specified aspect: an undertaking that was an exercise in futility.
6. exercises A program that includes speeches, presentations, and other ceremonial activities performed before an audience: graduation exercises.

  I'd like to use part of the definition I have quoted above.  Exercise in Futility.  Trying to prove me wrong is such an endeavor, but you are more than welcome to continue trying.  Now that I am home I have time to spar with someone, and it has ever been so long since I have had a decent opponent.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Nina on July 20, 2011, 10:30:32 AM


http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_lacerta_files.htm (http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_lacerta_files.htm)

At first, I wasn't so concerned... but something happened to me and I realized this was completely true. And this isn't even my motive for changing the world, it's only a very small part.

My main motive is reality, that a bunch of jackasses are in charge of humanity right now and have been since the beginning. I really don't care if people are happy or not at this point, I know of thousands that are not. And I'm not everyone is happy, then I'm sure as hell not happy.





But you do realize that this is also written by mere humans, that are so easily affected and manipulated by ANY form of intelligence a bit higher then their own?
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: TheCopperDragon on July 20, 2011, 10:50:52 AM
I agree that self-dependence is a damn good start... but this first part that I've quoted... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! I'll put up how ever many items I want, without your permission. He said one, but he didn't say NO MORE. Loophole.  :mrgreen:

And math is pretty interesting; I'm sure you could theoretically make 1+1=6.

Finally, exercise? This is a forum, not a gym; that would be across the street.


  Loophole?  Really?  Is that how you wish to clear the egg from your face?  Let me see, how do I respond to such a flimsy attempt at justification.  I know, I'll go ahead and quote my son.............FAIL!  If you knew Ravin at all you would know he only post exactly what he means, not what he thinks you'll assume.  (And you know what they say about assumptions I bet).  The point of his question is for the participant to pick the one thing they believe would best help change the world.  It is quite simple to choose a plethora of choices to change things, much hard to choose the one single idea that would have the best benefit.

  As for math?  You proved my point for me.  How?  Because if you change the number1 in anyway it is no longer the number 1.  (For instance if you write it in this fashion -1 it becomes a negative integer and to add      -1+1=     .......I'll let you fill in the blank.  Now if you can find a way to make 1+1=6 I'll be more than happy to listen, if not..........

  Exercise.  How versatile you are with the English language assuming (there is that word again) that it could only have but one definition.  Here I am going to do you a favor and take time out of my life to show you something you should have been able to do for yourself before you open mouth and inserted foot.

  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exercise (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exercise)

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  ex•er•cise (ksr-sz)
n.
1. An act of employing or putting into play; use: the free exercise of intellect; the exercise of an option.
2. The discharge of a duty, function, or office.
3. Activity that requires physical or mental exertion, especially when performed to develop or maintain fitness: took an hour of vigorous daily exercise at a gym.
4. A task, problem, or other effort performed to develop or maintain fitness or increase skill: a piano exercise; a memory exercise.
5. An activity having a specified aspect: an undertaking that was an exercise in futility.
6. exercises A program that includes speeches, presentations, and other ceremonial activities performed before an audience: graduation exercises.

  I'd like to use part of the definition I have quoted above.  Exercise in Futility.  Trying to prove me wrong is such an endeavor, but you are more than welcome to continue trying.  Now that I am home I have time to spar with someone, and it has ever been so long since I have had a decent opponent.


Not a fan of sarcasm are you? That's okay, I like getting to know other people (including Ravin, thanks for the advice on him posting what he means!), it's important because it helps me compare--see how I'm doing. I'm quite aware of my ego, which shows every now and then and that's what I'm trying to manage. I'm still battling my shadow, so to speak. 

On the subject of math, I'm no mathematical genius, so I won't be proving 1+1=6 for you today, but I do know the numbers INFINITY and ZERO exist, which, to me, means anything is possible, and even compulsory. Materialistic scientists can deny those two numbers all they want, but if you want a theory of everything... you are going to need EVERYTHING.

Finally, I'm no enemy of you or anyone on here, so I'm not sure where this "spar" thing comes from.

As for that one thing: Self-dependence. Yes, I wouldn't be typing mad on this forum if everyone was self-dependent. We wouldn't need any revolution or paradigm shift because everyone could handle themselves.

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But you do realize that this is also written by mere humans, that are so easily affected and manipulated by ANY form of intelligence a bit higher then their own?

I know, I'm also aware that I may be manipulated myself. I have to examine myself every now and then - "does this feel right?"

I don't put my eggs in one basket, I try not to. The existence of alien factions under the world does not matter, I don't think, at this point in time.

The agenda is dealing with our own kind right now. The Draconians and the Elohim are NOT going to help us - We have to help ourselves... be a little self-dependent and help others achieve their highest potential.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ViciouslyMe on July 20, 2011, 11:57:32 AM
I wasn't trying to shut you up, I was simply pointing out your being human so as to make the point that you also contribute to society. You also show similar characteristics that you were just complaining about, albeit not about a bearded man on a cloud.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Muerte on July 20, 2011, 12:05:27 PM
Not a fan of sarcasm are you?

  In a word no.  I have never had much time for it myself so I take "most" things at face value.  No means no and yes means yes mentality.



Finally, I'm no enemy of you or anyone on here, so I'm not sure where this "spar" thing comes from.


  Enemy?  You would know if I considered you that.  No not an enemy, but I was testing to see if you could be another Yin to my Yang.  You see I can recognize A big ego, as they say after all, it takes one to know one.  My Sparing is simply taking the opposing stance (one I believe in of course) of someone who could give me a run for my money, it helps keep me in the books per say as well as giving not only myself but all who read these threads something to ponder.  Alas Moonbaby, where have thou gone to??  Hell at this point I am even missing our little Miss Jordyn.  Well perhaps there will be others to come along in the future.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: TheCopperDragon on July 20, 2011, 12:43:13 PM
I wasn't trying to shut you up, I was simply pointing out your being human so as to make the point that you also contribute to society. You also show similar characteristics that you were just complaining about, albeit not about a bearded man on a cloud.

I know, it's something I catch myself doing, it's a nasty thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection).

I think I'm human... haven't checked that long ago.

You just let me know when I start to go off the deep end.  :-)
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Daemonin on July 20, 2011, 03:18:47 PM
My only problem there, Daemonin, is that there would just be too many people that would abuse. I mean hell, just look at how things that are legalized are abused. And the illegal once would only increase in abuse. And please don't attempt to retort with some comment about there being no bad side affects, because everything comes with a cost. Some just not as obvious as others.

I'm not saying there isn't, so don't think I'm all about "legalize marijuana" or whatever because I'm not.  I'm just a firm believer that the things that are currently legal and FDA approved aren't the only options out there and that there are better, more natural approaches to health that should be allowed to be explored.

As far as abuse is concerned, you can't restrict everything that might be abused because everything can be abused in some way or another that would detriment someone or another.  I think our money is better put toward education of, rather than suppression and denial of, that subject in particular.  Of course things would still have some sort of regulations, but that would be no different from man-made medicine regulations.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ViciouslyMe on July 20, 2011, 04:31:49 PM
I know, but I think it best to limit how many things there are, make it more difficult to abuse things.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: matthew321 on July 20, 2011, 05:22:33 PM

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As long as they listen to the people and do their best to do what the majority thinks is right, I don't see how such a system can fail.

This one made my day.  *<:) I bet you wouldn't say that if the majority thought genocide of a country was acceptable, while you, in the minority, thought it was freaking insane.

The system wouldn't fail; our species would.

If the majority of the populous is going to take these actions, in the name of justice, then I would accept it.
Now of course I would think it was wrong and try to stop it. I would be doing my best to prevent and avoid this, but if in the end, this is what the majority of people really think, I will not get in their way.

I still wouldn't say the system failed at this point, I would say it worked TOO well. Our passions got too big and burned us out. I would prefer to die in this way over a big plan, made by a small few, for us all.
Humanity has the right to end itself together, not governed by a select few.

This is my opinion, maybe what they put in our water makes me think this way, but if the majority really share an opinion and move together for it, I have less of a problem with it. Now if I find it immoral, I will of course, protest my point. But I draw the line when my words reach deaf ears. At that point I leave.

Now the majority can be manipulated of course, and not have an informed opinion. But I am using the viewpoint of a government that acts based on majority rule.  Every action is governed by the majority.  So I hope the persons in our examples have an informed opinion.

I am saying, I support the rights and opinions to do whatever the majority wants. Be it world peace or destruction.  This maybe not be the right thing to do, perhaps my opinion will change, I am always willing to listen to another viewpoint. But at this moment, this seems like the most moral conclusion.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Daemonin on July 20, 2011, 11:41:45 PM
I know, but I think it best to limit how many things there are, make it more difficult to abuse things.

Then if we're about limiting let's take away the drug companies that want us to buy all of there medicines that have more side-effect symptoms than the original problem they were meant to treat and go for the natural, healthier, more affordable remedies.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ViciouslyMe on July 21, 2011, 02:55:23 AM
I don't take medicine of any kind, so I'm in.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Muerte on July 21, 2011, 06:00:35 AM
I know, but I think it best to limit how many things there are, make it more difficult to abuse things.

Then if we're about limiting let's take away the drug companies that want us to buy all of there medicines that have more side-effect symptoms than the original problem they were meant to treat and go for the natural, healthier, more affordable remedies.

  I second this whole heartedly. 

  Personal Experience:  My step brother is afflicted with a condition known as Tourettes.  While most people focus on the random swearing aspect of it there is more to it than that.    Facial and Muscles Tics are the most common aspects to be seen with Tourettes.  When my brother was diagnosed and treated it was with a plethora of medication.  All of his symptoms not only increased but got worse, and adding to that he began having trouble breathing and experienced weight loss.  ( For a child of 8 weight loss is not a good thing )  My parents decided to take him off of the medications and his health improved.  Moral? 
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ravinclaw on July 21, 2011, 07:24:38 AM
Had a niece in a simaler situation. Not tourettes, but when her parents took yer off her medication she got much much better.



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As long as they listen to the people and do their best to do what the majority thinks is right, I don't see how such a system can fail.

This one made my day.  *<:) I bet you wouldn't say that if the majority thought genocide of a country was acceptable, while you, in the minority, thought it was freaking insane.

The system wouldn't fail; our species would.

If the majority of the populous is going to take these actions, in the name of justice, then I would accept it.
Now of course I would think it was wrong and try to stop it. I would be doing my best to prevent and avoid this, but if in the end, this is what the majority of people really think, I will not get in their way.

Now just how will you fight it and try to stop it if you wont get in their way? Do you prefer being called pupet or sheep? And I had such high hopes for you.


Now the majority can be manipulated of course, and not have an informed opinion.

Yes they can. Very easily aparently. I have been speaking out about s**t like that for years to no avail I am afraid.

Yes I am picking at you, but damnit boy! What are you thinking? Just because the majority wants it dosnt make it right. We can have the descusion of wrong and right all we wish, and will come up with as many opinions as there are posters, But I can tell you this, we know the difference. Deap down we know, we have been fitted with a internal gauge for just such ocasions, not all those guages mesure the same, but we should use them none the less.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: matthew321 on July 21, 2011, 08:43:26 AM
Now just how will you fight it and try to stop it if you wont get in their way? Do you prefer being called pupet or sheep? And I had such high hopes for you.


Now the majority can be manipulated of course, and not have an informed opinion.

Yes they can. Very easily aparently. I have been speaking out about s**t like that for years to no avail I am afraid.

Yes I am picking at you, but damnit boy! What are you thinking? Just because the majority wants it dosnt make it right. We can have the descusion of wrong and right all we wish, and will come up with as many opinions as there are posters, But I can tell you this, we know the difference. Deap down we know, we have been fitted with a internal gauge for just such ocasions, not all those guages mesure the same, but we should use them none the less.


I thought I had stated, this was in a scenario where the populous was informed. A scenario where the people are competent and despite their competence, still decide to end humanity. I realize this is unlikely, as the people today are manipulated. I can't turn on the news, it takes too long to tell me anything I want to know. So many things left out, I have not heard of what is happening in other countries for a long time.

Don't worry, as the populous is now, I can't support them well. I doubt they are well informed.. So I will respectfully resist... With my respectable, negotiation shotgun.

I prefer they look at me as a puppet or sheep, if they overlook me, it makes my goals easier. But as for an applicable title, I would be someone they do not want.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Muerte on July 21, 2011, 08:48:46 AM
if they overlook me, it makes my goals easier


  A live resister has more to offer than a dead martyr mentality than?
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ravinclaw on July 21, 2011, 09:48:21 AM
You may have heard this before.



Run, and you WILL live. Fight, and you may die, but when your alone, and dying in your beds many years from now. Would you have given every day between this and that for one chance to come back here today. For one chance at FREADOM!!!

I was tought a valuable lesson by my Dad and an old country song.
"Youve got to stand for somethin, or you'll fall for anythang." 

I dont recon I'll ever forget that one, or change my mind about it.


Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: matthew321 on July 21, 2011, 05:19:48 PM
if they overlook me, it makes my goals easier


  A live resister has more to offer than a dead martyr mentality than?

Well I have made it several years without dying... Since nothing has killed me yet, I feel comfortable with a gamble.  Of course nothing stupid, but if I die, I will die with my beliefs. (Which at any moment, I am willing to change, admit I am wrong, and completely cast away. However, stronger beliefs have not been able to cause that yet.)

I think the live resister can offer plenty. Plus, with the farce the resister has to put on, in order to live in the society, they can feel like a spy.  :spy:  (I get to use that icon too)


Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Hati on July 22, 2011, 03:38:09 AM
There is nothing wrong with someone admitting that they are a sheep. With so many people pretending to be something they're not, I find it refreshing and quite honorable for someone to admit their true nature. Wolves and sheep all have their place in this world after all.

Now for the topic at hand. I believe that if I could change anything I wanted to about this world, I would destroy humanity and all things man-made that would prove destructive to the environment. Except for my family and a few select others, I truly do despise humanity and think it would really be best if we were all just annihilated. Sounds psychotic, I know, but this is how I feel. I scare myself sometimes.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ravinclaw on July 22, 2011, 06:39:40 AM
The problem is, hes not a sheep and I know it.

And I once had similar views as yours on humanity. People in general are ignorant, but I figure its easier to at least try to educate them than kill them all off....maybe not though, it seams some skulls are easier penitraited by other means than words..... but there is always the "Boot to the ass" method. sometimes it works better :-D sometimes the point is missed all together .

Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Muerte on July 22, 2011, 08:39:26 AM
There is nothing wrong with someone admitting that they are a sheep. With so many people pretending to be something they're not, I find it refreshing and quite honorable for someone to admit their true nature. Wolves and sheep all have their place in this world after all.

  Ever hear of a Wolf in Sheeps clothing?  You would be amazed at the amount of damage one can do from within, especial if they are part of the inner circle.  One point I would also like to make about being the "Wolf in Sheeps clothing"  ....................  They often suffer worse than the fighter who meets his opponent head on.

  Ahh the damage I have caused, the pots I have stired, the plans I have ruined.  Do not fear the stand up fighter, fear the Wolf who pretends to be a Sheep.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: SKGS on July 22, 2011, 09:54:37 PM
One thing to change the World.........put everything on hold for a while so humanity could catch up with all the so called progress we made.
Utilize what we have now to better ourselfs.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Muerte on July 24, 2011, 06:31:15 AM
One thing to change the World.........put everything on hold for a while so humanity could catch up with all the so called progress we made.
Utilize what we have now to better ourselfs.

  Slow and steady  .............................  I LIKE IT.  Making people use what we have instead of dreaming for easier ways would help to promote their own self dependence.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ravinclaw on July 25, 2011, 10:38:03 AM
Thats a good one. So few people actually realize the fate of many rest on the backs of few. Look at the leap forward Einstein made, hell we are still trying to understand and apply half of what he did, just imagine if there was one close to his level just before or after him, ...... lost my train of thought...vodka is cruel/mercifull  :-D liqer I say IT IS TO BLAIM!! We must rid the world of it!! WE MUST DRINK IT ALL!!!

(i knew I said I wouldnt come in here drunk anymore but I iz only half buzzzed and Iz gona go before i get much worse)
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Nina on July 25, 2011, 12:16:52 PM
Heya Ravin, on that note i just drank my share of fire water. Cheers man!
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ravinclaw on July 25, 2011, 12:36:41 PM
We should just get drunk together.....less complications.... everyone avoids me when Im drinkin....no wonder though :-D I am a butt head :-D
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: Nina on July 25, 2011, 02:11:12 PM
I wouldnt avoid ya, Im famous to be very friendly when drunk. Just dont start on politics or religion, then i bite! Or sports. Or relationships. Or prices. Errrm, we better drink silently xD
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: davidn13 on July 28, 2011, 07:57:59 PM
Been awhile since I've been active, but this looks pretty interesting. A lot of interesting points of view.

Personally, I think humans could do with a bit more self control, initiative and a healthy dose of common freaking sense-something that is sorely lacking in politics, and in many other areas of life.   :cry:

But I doubt it'll happen-ever. Because our "leaders" are generally a bunch of self centered pricks who are more concerned with who gets to be in charge rather than actually doing any good in office. Oh well...guess I'll start drinking too.
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: ravinclaw on July 29, 2011, 06:39:38 AM
All I can say is BRAVO!!!  And drink one for me :-D
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: davidn13 on July 29, 2011, 05:33:38 PM
Thanks Ravin...and the next time I get a drink I will...
Title: Re: Changing the World
Post by: drakes-_hand on July 29, 2011, 08:47:20 PM
No intolerance to others and there beliefs, Would be the one thing i would go for, i have no idea HOW,  :cry: And it's probably the most unlikely thing to ever happen,  IN THE UNIVERSE  :-o