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Title: VAMPIRES
Post by: andrea aarons on October 27, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
 :oops: i really dont kno how this website works but i have created a account to talk to people who i think is just  like mee -` my family thinks im weird nd i have grown a obsession and find VAMPIRES VERY INTERESTING I AM DOING ALOT OF READING WATCHING MOVIES ND ASKING ALOT OF QUESTIONS I JUST WANT TO BE AROUND ALOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ME ,  . . . ND NOT FEEL WEIRD  :-( please comment ,
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: jordyn on October 29, 2012, 09:49:07 AM
We have a delightful vampire board, i don't go there because they're not my thing...but if ti's like others it should offer you everything you need without the judgment of people who don't quite understand the people who get into that aspect of the supernatural.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: grimweird on November 02, 2012, 12:55:40 PM
Umm... Just out of curiosity, WHY would you find vampires interesting?

I mean, based on the "traditional" perception, they're essentially blood sucking parasites who subsist of the life forces of others. I mean they can no longer do many of the things that humans love but take for granted, they are soulless walking dead and they'll never see the sun again (well, okay, maybe ONE more time again, if they are desperate enough to end it all).

So, umm... Why be fascinated by vampires?  :-P
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Finrod852 on November 03, 2012, 03:46:45 PM
Maybe because vampires are said to be very charismatic. Either that or they're tired of anylizing mosquitos? :|
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: jordyn on November 03, 2012, 05:04:46 PM
Umm... Just out of curiosity, WHY would you find vampires interesting?

I mean, based on the "traditional" perception, they're essentially blood sucking parasites who subsist of the life forces of others. I mean they can no longer do many of the things that humans love but take for granted, they are soulless walking dead and they'll never see the sun again (well, okay, maybe ONE more time again, if they are desperate enough to end it all).

So, umm... Why be fascinated by vampires?  :-P


Several books i've read suggest that they're a representation of the seductive side of our natures, symbolizing our natural needs that are often times hindered by the expectations of society.

They can make us do bad things, under their control.  :)

that almost makes them sound demonic? 
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on November 08, 2012, 09:04:07 PM
As a full-blooded vampire, I must honestly say that I am slightly offended by the suggestion that we are mere symbols or metaphors; we are very, very real. As is our need for blood, and our intolerance for sunlight.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: jordyn on November 09, 2012, 10:17:50 AM
"RARE DISEASE PROPOSED AS CAUSE FOR 'VAMPIRES'

By PHILIP M. BOFFEY, Special to the New York Times

Published: May 31, 1985
 
LOS ANGELES, May 30- Werewolves and vampires, those dreaded beasts of folklore and superstition, may have been nothing more than people suffering from a rare class of genetic diseases, a scientist suggested here today.
Dr. David H. Dolphin, a biochemist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, suggested that the effects of the porphyria diseases, which involve a malfunctioning in the body's manufacture of crucial chemicals, could have left victims grotesquely disfigured, turned them into creatures of the night and caused them to suck the blood of their brothers and sisters.

Victims of the diseases, Dr. Dolphin suggested in a talk at the American Association for the advancement of Science, could have inspired the mythology of werewolves, which were humans who changed into wolves, and vampires, which were corpses that left their graves at night to suck the blood of humans.

Aversion to Sunlight

The effects of these diseases, if left untreated, can be devastating, he said. The malfunctions in the body's chemistry cause the skin to be extraordinarily sensitive to sunlight, with a result that exposure to even mild sunlight can disfigure the skin, cause the nose and fingers to fall off, and make the lips and gums so taut that the teeth, although no larger than ordinary, look like they are jutting out in a menacing, animal-like manner. "
***

Vampires in the supernatural sense are just that, i really meant no offense but considering until the most recent of times in industrialized countries they were evil beasts from hell that preyed upon the living, there is no scientific proof that there's anything to it other than actual diseases that are acknowledged by scientific communities that can be quite debilitating to humans who glorify it, if you took offense it's your problem. They are glamorized fantasy creatures made popular by movies, television shows and classically written stories inspired by superstition and misunderstanding of the more serious aspects of human nature that causes the perceived non human state.
You can believe you're some fantastic creature just as i believe there are ghosts, gods, devils, disincarnate human souls walking the earth and a variety of other intelligent energies we can attune with...but i acknowledge that my beliefs are mostly unprovable by science and are strictly derived from faith and personal experiences. While there are a multitude of shows that can show "true" supernatural phenomena and a variety of people from all cultures experience the supernatural, there's nothing amazing about your claims, in some countries you'd be destroyed, just as those same countries stone witches.

How did you become a full blooded vampire?
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on November 09, 2012, 01:19:27 PM
There is nothing which is "supernatural" about me, or any other vampire; any more than one would consider an implement of science "supernatural". One could, since it is, after all, not a naturally-occurring object. Vampires are not naturally-occurring; i.e., nature did not create vampires. The vampire blood has existed in this world for many millennia, since its creation by the ancients. There are a number of misunderstandings about vampires, for sure. We are not corpses, but neither are we alive in the sense which human culture presently understands the term. I can go on, but I wouldn't know where to begin. Any further information would be best said in the form of answers to questions.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: ivwiwba35 on December 25, 2012, 01:13:37 AM
Superb! Generally I never read whole articles but the way you wrote this information is simply amazing and this kept my interest in reading and I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 03, 2013, 07:01:25 PM
Given you have raised a number of questions, I shall answer them in order:
1 ~ Correct, vampires are not naturally-occurring. As I have said, vampires, as far as I have been able to discern thus far, were originated with the ancients.
2/3 ~ The ancients, as I have come to call them, are very little-known, even by me. My study on the matter has more often than not resulted in failure, but what I have learned has led to my knowledge of the origin of the vampiric blood; as far as I have been able to learn, the blood is an artifice of highly-knowledgeable beings (whom I call 'ancients', and about whom I know little for certain, as I say) who existed in the very distant past. I don't know precisely how long ago they existed, but my investigations have yielded a tentative time of their existence to circa one-hundred-seventy-thousand years before present. As such, they long predate recorded history, and I know of no relics of their culture apart from the vampiric blood. I know very little else of their nature.
4 ~ No, I do not require oxygen or water; I do not require glucose; as I have said, my body is not 'alive' in the sense in which humanity currently understands the term. My heart does not beat.
5 ~ Blood is not needed for nutrition in the sense of nutrition as it applies to biology. Nor does a vampire's desire for blood stem from its taste. A vampire seeks blood sheerly for its role in sustaining his or her body. Erythrocytes (and to a minor extent leukocytes and thrombocytes) are the sole material I know of which can be converted by the vampiric blood into the energy which fuels it. The vampiric blood can be sustained on the energy of a single drop of blood for approximately one hour; this can be easily extrapolated to find the approximate length of time, proportionately, that a vampire could survive without feeding after having consumed the blood supply of an entire organism.
6 ~ As I say, my body is not 'alive' in the sense which would require Vitamin D or sunlight to function; I cannot be diseased, nor can I die. My body's upkeep is entirely governed by the vampiric blood inside it. Your concerns of rickets afflicting me can be put to rest.
7 ~ No, in fact, I am not. You, of course, may choose to believe whatever you wish; I am merely answering your questions, as I agreed to.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Angelus on January 04, 2013, 04:57:35 AM
Ok. I'm a vampire. Like non vampires, vampires can choose to follow a religion. What is being described here is a vampiric belief system. Some vampires believe in this whole ancient vampiric deities thing, some don't. Some just believe it's a energy deficiency some don't. Some vampires choose to avert sunlight for the religious or personal reasons, some don't.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 04, 2013, 02:06:04 PM
Ok. I'm a vampire. Like non vampires, vampires can choose to follow a religion. What is being described here is a vampiric belief system. Some vampires believe in this whole ancient vampiric deities thing, some don't. Some just believe it's a energy deficiency some don't. Some vampires choose to avert sunlight for the religious or personal reasons, some don't.
This is true. I can only say what I have learned through centuries of research on the matter; and even now, I have learned relatively little in regards to the origins of vampires. I do not believe in any 'deities', incidentally. I do not follow any religion. I do know, however, that the sort of vampire I am, whatever precisely I am, is not the same as the 'vampire' you describe yourself as. You may choose to call yourself a vampire, and perhaps you are one; of a sort. But a distinctly different sort from the kind which I am a part; which consume only blood, cannot come into contact with sunlight without harm, etc.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Angelus on January 04, 2013, 04:40:02 PM
Are you actually telling me you claim to be a centuries old, undead corpse? Really?
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 05, 2013, 03:00:41 PM
I wouldn't describe it precisely that way, but yes, in a nutshell.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Redfan45x on January 09, 2013, 05:20:12 PM
I wouldn't describe it precisely that way, but yes, in a nutshell.
Careful what you say after this. You wouldn't want to sound "fake" would you?
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 10, 2013, 02:03:54 AM
I'm not sure how I should best respond to that... so I shan't.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Angelus on January 10, 2013, 07:55:41 AM
I'm not gonna cry out fake or anything. I will respect your beliefs as you respect mine. Could you please fully describe your belief as to your type of vampirism?
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Redfan45x on January 10, 2013, 08:35:28 AM
Don't get me wrong, I do respect your beliefs. Just please understand, I've met a lot of fakes in my life, so I am usually at first skeptical but don't at all think I don't believe it is possible because I do.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 10, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
As I have said, I wouldn't know where to begin with a full description of my 'type' of vampirism. Ask any questions you have, and I will answer. Keeping in mind however, of course, that I have already made clear my necessity for blood, the danger I face in sunlight, etc. I can of course elaborate on these if you so desire, but I can think of little more to say unless you have specific queries.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Angelus on January 11, 2013, 07:57:22 AM
Ok. Lets do this in list form.
1. How old are you?
2. Is your age due to a single existence or some type of reincarnation? Elaborate.
3. What actual damage is caused by sunlight? Physical, mental or spiritual?
4. Can this be eased in some way? Sunblock? Sun glasses?
5. Do you have a pulse and heart beat?
6. How does your family (if any) feel about this?
7. Your physical age? Not your "real" age but how old you appear if you are immortal.
8. Death. How do you achieve it? Standard human way or must you be staked or decapitated?
9. Do you believe yourself to be demonic, a variety of human or a separate entity entirely?
10. Do you consume other foods and liquids other than blood? And why?
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 14, 2013, 01:32:09 AM
Very well, I shall therefore respond in list form:
1 ~ I am 989 years and 52 days old, to be extremely precise.
2 ~ Yes, I have only existed once, to my knowledge; if there is such a thing as reincarnation, it is unlikely I would have the privilege of experiencing it.
3 ~ The damage which I face in sunlight is both physical and mental; physical damage comes in the form of burning, smouldering, and under very harsh exposure, combustion; mental damage involves an essential haziness, I suppose is the best way to describe it: a mental fogginess, confusion; etc., etc. I can think of no more fitting analog.
4 ~ Sunblock is useless as protection, however shade, whether from a tree, a cloud, clothing, etc., can serve as a meager defense; I generally prefer not to risk moving about during the day, though, if it is necessary, I would be sure to keep in the shadows and to cover myself entirely.
5 ~ No, I have no pulse or heart beat.
6 ~ My biological family lived and died in Constantinople nearly a millennium ago; their opinions of my whilst they lived, however, were generally negative. I prefer not to elaborate terribly far beyond that.
7 ~ My physical appearance is, in most respects, identical to the way it was when I was alive, in the sense you understand it; considering that aspect of my self died biologically when I was 31 years of age, that is the closest approximation I could make.
8 ~ I have already died once, in the human way, biologically; as I understand it, it is the vampiric blood which currently permits me to persist. I know of no way for a vampire to die apart from the extraction of the vampiric blood entirely from their body; decapitation, however, can indeed prompt the vampiric blood to evacuate its host. Apart from that, only sunlight and fire are known to me as effective means of 'killing' a vampire. (I should make note of the fact that a vampire which fails to consume blood and sustain the vampiric blood will enter a state of dormancy reminiscent of catatonia; they cannot die of merely this, however it is far more probable that they would be destroyed by fire, sunlight, buried, etc., than the alternative: they are somehow given blood. I can think of no instance in which a vampire had entered this state and managed to survive, be fed, and be restored.)
9 ~ My views on this matter have been in extreme flux for centuries. I can honestly say that I have no idea. I thought myself a demon or pawn of the devil for a long time in the infancy of my vampiric existence, and for many centuries thence, though during the Enlightenment my views were radically altered. It was then that I first began to systematically study my own condition. Today I am of the view that I am a biological human body, inhabited, and whose mind has been preserved by, the vampiric blood: a relic of high science from an age long past, about which I have been able to learn little. I cannot say whether the mind and the personality which speaks to you is genuinely my own, the one which shared my human body all those years ago, or merely a copy engineered by the vampire blood in me; in any case, I am not a believer in gods, demons, or any of that. Not anymore; I see little reason.
10 ~ No, I consume only blood; no other substance is capable of sating the vampiric blood. Nothing which is not blood can so much as enter my stomach before my body rejects it.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Redfan45x on January 14, 2013, 08:38:42 AM
A millennium ago in the Byzantine empire?
Then if what you are saying is true, bet they knew some of the Varangian Norse Guard that the Byzantine empire hired. In other words, Norse/Germanic Berserkers.
Well even if what you said isn't true but you still have ancestry from the Byzantine Empire they probably knew some.


Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 14, 2013, 11:02:18 PM
A millennium ago in the Byzantine empire?
Then if what you are saying is true, bet they knew some of the Varangian Norse Guard that the Byzantine empire hired. In other words, Norse/Germanic Berserkers.
Well even if what you said isn't true but you still have ancestry from the Byzantine Empire they probably knew some.
I'm not sure how that's relevant... apart perhaps from your avatar image.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 14, 2013, 11:03:17 PM
Cool story bro.

Needs more dragons.
As I've said before: I'm not sure how to respond to that... and thus, I shan't.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Redfan45x on January 14, 2013, 11:25:07 PM
A millennium ago in the Byzantine empire?
Then if what you are saying is true, bet they knew some of the Varangian Norse Guard that the Byzantine empire hired. In other words, Norse/Germanic Berserkers.
Well even if what you said isn't true but you still have ancestry from the Byzantine Empire they probably knew some.
I'm not sure how that's relevant... apart perhaps from your avatar image.
Really? So you claim to be 900+ years old and having family from Constantinople (a city of the Byzantine empire in case you may have forgotten in your many years of life) yet see no relevance a people that contributed greatly to Constantinople's military success during the time you were born and your family was there?
Well in case you may have forgotten, the Byzantine empire hired mercenaries from Northern Europe and Germania starting in 911 AD they were called the "Varangians" by the Byzantine empire. Many were of course (being Norse and German) Berserks.
And played a huge role in your family's country as a very powerful elite mercenary force. Come on you should known that? Don't you remember watching strange foreign Teutonic dances sending Germanic men into wolf like trances?
It's relevant because you said you are 989 years old so you were born in the 1020s? (still Varangian guard then) and your family being from Constantinople (A Byzantine city) I figured perhaps you knew some of my ancestors then or your family did so I thought I'd just mention it is all.
Oh well.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 15, 2013, 02:07:32 AM
A millennium ago in the Byzantine empire?
Then if what you are saying is true, bet they knew some of the Varangian Norse Guard that the Byzantine empire hired. In other words, Norse/Germanic Berserkers.
Well even if what you said isn't true but you still have ancestry from the Byzantine Empire they probably knew some.
I'm not sure how that's relevant... apart perhaps from your avatar image.
Really? So you claim to be 900+ years old and having family from Constantinople (a city of the Byzantine empire in case you may have forgotten in your many years of life) yet see no relevance a people that contributed greatly to Constantinople's military success during the time you were born and your family was there?
Well in case you may have forgotten, the Byzantine empire hired mercenaries from Northern Europe and Germania starting in 911 AD they were called the "Varangians" by the Byzantine empire. Many were of course (being Norse and German) Berserks.
And played a huge role in your family's country as a very powerful elite mercenary force. Come on you should known that? Don't you remember watching strange foreign Teutonic dances sending Germanic men into wolf like trances?
It's relevant because you said you are 989 years old so you were born in the 1020s? (still Varangian guard then) and your family being from Constantinople (A Byzantine city) I figured perhaps you knew some of my ancestors then or your family did so I thought I'd just mention it is all.
Oh well.
I'm frankly surprised that you know that much. In any case, yes, I do recall those things, though they were far from preoccupying. I was a scholarly man, not one of arms. In any case, the relevance of all this still appears rather tenuous; you seem more interested in flaunting your (again) unanticipated appreciation of history than in asking questions relevant to this topic. I of course am quite familiar with the Varangian guard and all that, and yes, of course Constantinople was a Byzantine (Roman) city at the time. But how any of that is relevant to anything which has hitherto been discussed here is genuinely perplexing to me.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 15, 2013, 12:39:31 PM
I use the name Arbitran because it has personal significance to me; if it has been used before by another, elsewhere, I assure you it is entirely coincidental. In any case, can we return to the conversation? You have made it clear that you are skeptical of me, which is to be expected; but to label me with derogations for only that is a bit hasty, don't you think?
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 15, 2013, 08:49:01 PM
I can certainly see why you would reach that conclusion. The name however, is merely a name. I happen to have a personal reason for using it, and whoever else uses it will have their own reason. Whoever it is at the 'Awakening Vampires' forum you have noted is clearly, I must say, using my identity from this forum. In any case, his story, while amusing, certainly would not make him a vampire in my book. I am not looking for any sort of 'attention'; on the contrary. I came here in the first place purely out of a sense of interest in this forum's subject matter. How this all wound up being what can be described as nothing else than a witch hunt is a bit odd, but, I suppose, understandable. You do not believe what I tell you, and I cannot, via the Internet, give you any evidence which would assuage your desire for proof; eh? I understand these things. Can we not simply agree to let your disbelieve remain cordial and genuinely reasonable, rather than allow things to boil over into the realm of distraction? I have agreed to answer any question you might have to the best of my abilities; what more do you require of me?
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on January 16, 2013, 03:05:58 PM
Then it was likely another forum, simple. And yes, I fully understand all of what you say; you really needn't have gone to the trouble of writing it all out, though your dedication is admirable, I suppose. I understand that what I say must be difficult for you to believe, but that is of little concern to me. And incidentally, my recounting of my own past was not wholly unsolicited; it was in the form of an answer to a question which was posed to me. And you are all free to ask whatever you wish of me; I shall answer truthfully, with whatever knowledge I possess.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: thealchemist on January 28, 2013, 07:08:02 AM
Basically we all agree that @Jake has a lot of ambition of writing... a lot. :P lol "tldr"

Then it was likely another forum, simple. And yes, I fully understand all of what you say; you really needn't have gone to the trouble of writing it all out, though your dedication is admirable, I suppose. I understand that what I say must be difficult for you to believe, but that is of little concern to me. And incidentally, my recounting of my own past was not wholly unsolicited; it was in the form of an answer to a question which was posed to me. And you are all free to ask whatever you wish of me; I shall answer truthfully, with whatever knowledge I possess.

Hey Arbitran, i have a question. Since you said i can ask whatever i wish of you. I am asking :" Are you aware of our social reality, or live in a own perceived mindset of whatever you call it?"
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Black_angel20 on February 15, 2013, 07:57:41 AM
I agree, i mean as a vampire, we can be very old it just depends on the nature of your being. vampires are creatures, yea we are different but we have some of the same problems as humans do okay. so why judge us for what we are and say it is a cure to be one because the way i look at it this is a gift nothing else.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Arbitran on February 19, 2013, 12:05:44 AM
Basically we all agree that @Jake has a lot of ambition of writing... a lot. :P lol "tldr"

Then it was likely another forum, simple. And yes, I fully understand all of what you say; you really needn't have gone to the trouble of writing it all out, though your dedication is admirable, I suppose. I understand that what I say must be difficult for you to believe, but that is of little concern to me. And incidentally, my recounting of my own past was not wholly unsolicited; it was in the form of an answer to a question which was posed to me. And you are all free to ask whatever you wish of me; I shall answer truthfully, with whatever knowledge I possess.

Hey Arbitran, i have a question. Since you said i can ask whatever i wish of you. I am asking :" Are you aware of our social reality, or live in a own perceived mindset of whatever you call it?"
Of course I am aware of your social structure and systems; though they interest me less and less.
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Black_angel20 on February 19, 2013, 06:27:53 AM
Wow, a lot of anger going on here
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Finrod852 on February 19, 2013, 06:31:51 AM
That I can clearly see. Why can't we just get along, and leave eachother be?
Title: Re: VAMPIRES
Post by: Black_angel20 on February 19, 2013, 06:36:58 AM
I really agree