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Monstrous People => The Psi Zone => Topic started by: LunarEclipse on May 13, 2003, 05:36:14 PM
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Has anyone tried doing astral projection? I've tried doing it consciously, but haven't really had much success with it. Does anyone have any tips on making it happen?
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I believe you have to follow some steps before, like being able to stop all "thoughts" and stay awake ... . :roll: :roll:
There are a lot of books on the subjects but IMHO, Tibetan Boudhism is the real path to such "supernatural" practices.
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I have been trying to astral project for a while now and i find it very hard. there are some steps you can take to suceed but they have not worked for me. The first and only one i can remember of hand is you have to try and remember your deams. Dreams are almost like astral projection, usualy and black and white dream is a figment of your imagination but sometimes you can have full color dreams that maybe astral projections. Try keeping a note pad by your bed and every time you wake up write down everything you can remember about your dream.
-Carlos
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i have done this a lot myself, and, im able to control it. its very great when you experienced it. Just make sure you are relaxed very well and you keep your mind clear and focussed.
ASTRAL PROJECTION
In astral projection the astral body leaves the physical. The astral body is one of seven sheath bodies we all have - as we are all muti-dimensional. These bodies include the physical, mental, causal, etheric, emotional, spiritual.
What I have found is that some people can astral project naturally - and have been doing it for years. Other people are afraid to leave the physical body and struggle with it never being able to astral project. These people should try remote viewing as an alternative.
In astral projection you remain attached by a silver "umbilical type" cord to your physical body - though you may not see it. You travel out and are aware of things you encounter along the way.
To astral project, as with all out-of-body experiences one must feel totally relaxed, clothing fitting comfortable, reclining is best. Often a comforter is best over the body as the physical body sometimes gets cold when you travel out.
You can practice alone or with one person. Find a quiet place . . . free of distractions. .
Adjust the lighting and room temperature. . . Adjust clothing . . . footwear . . . eyeglasses.
Sit down or lie down . . .Find a position that is comfortable for you . . . Quiet your mind . . .
Still your thoughts . . . Relax your body. . . Your face . . . your jaw . . . relaxing . . .
Your shoulders . . . your neck . . . relaxed Your arms . . . your hands . . . feel at peace . .
Your torso . . . your hips . . . letting go . . .
Your legs . . . your feet . . . totally relaxed . . .
Focus on your breathing . . . Inhale slowly and deeply through your nose . . .
Retain the breath as long as is comfortable . . .
Exhale through the mouth slowly and completely . . .
Repeat for two more breaths . . . or as is comfortable.
Let go of the fear of leaving your physical body. Remember you astral project when you sleep.
You may feel as release or perhaps hear a sound as you leave.
If you get fearful, please stop as you are not ready for astral projection.
Anything done in metaphysics should feel comfortable and easy.
If it is stressful, let it go for now, as you are not ready.
Silva Mind Control Method
Quiet your mind. Clear your thoughts.
In your mind say:
"I'm going to count down from 3 to 1, visualizing each number on a white orb suspended in the air above my head. When I reach the third and final "1" my body will be deeply relaxed. I will have no awareness of physical sensations. I will not perceive any physical discomfort. My consciousness will be focused on my astral body.
Now visualize a white orb suspended in the air above your head. Mentally focus on the orb I visualize a number "3" on the face of the orb. The numbers can be any color. They may vary with each experience. Visualize the 3 --three times: three number "3's" on the orb. Your body is completely relaxed. You are losing awareness of your physical body.
Then repeat the visualization with three number "2's." You are into greater relaxation. Now visualize the "1's." You are losing awareness of physical sensations. Your consciousness will be in your astral body.
Repeat this using the number "1's" three times. Your consciousness is now in my astral body.
This could involve training of several sessions. You may also find audio tapes that take you down into these altered states as well. You getting better and faster as you go along each time.
There is no set agenda for how often you practice astral projection or any other out-of-body technique. It soon becomes fun. It is like a deep meditation.
Now the key is to remain conscious while my body is asleep. Different thoughts may pull you from your focus as the mind loves to chatter. Just push these thoughts away.
The Monroe Technique
Step One:
Relax the body. According to Monroe, "the ability to relax is the first prerequisite, perhaps even the first step itself" to having an OBE. (out of body experience). This includes both physical and mental relaxation. Monroe does not suggest a method of attaining this relaxation, although progressive muscle relaxation, coupled with deep breathing exercises (inhale 1, exhale 2, inhale 3... until about 50 or 100) are known to work well.
Step Two:
Enter the state bordering sleep. This is known as the hypnogogic state. Once again, Monroe doesn't recommend any method of doing this. One way is tohold your forearm up, while keeping your upper arm on the bed, or ground. As you start to fall asleep, your arm will fall, and you will awaken again. With practice you can learn to control the hypnogogic state without using your arm. Another method is to concentrate on an object. When other images start to enter your thoughts, you have entered the hypnogogic state. Passively watch these images. This will also help you maintain this state of near-sleep. Monroe calls this Condition A.
Step Three:
Deepen this state. Begin to clear your mind. Observe your field of vision through your closed eyelids at the blackness in front of your. After a while you may start to notice light patterns. These are simply neural discharges. They have no specific effect. Ignore them. When they cease, one has entered what Monroe calls Condition B. From here, one must enter an even deeper state of relaxation which Monroe calls Condition C-- a state of such relaxation that you lose all awareness of the body and sensory stimulation. You are almost in a void in which your only source of stimulation will be your own thoughts.
The ideal state for leaving your body is Condition D. This is Condition C when it is voluntarily induced from a rested and refreshed condition and is not the effect of normal fatigue. To achieve Condition D, Monroe suggests that you practice entering it in the morning just as you are getting up, or after a short nap.
Step Four:
Enter a state of Vibration. This is the most important part of the technique, and also the most vague.
Many projectors have noted these vibrations at the onset of projection. They can be experienced as a miled tingling, or as if electricity is being shot through the body. Their cause is a mystery. It may actually be the astral body trying to leave the physical body.
For entering into the vibrational state, he offers the following directions:
1. Remove all jewelry or other items that might be touching your skin.
2. Darken the room so that no light can be seen through your eyelids, but do not shut out all light.
3. Lie down with your body along a north-south axis, with your head pointed toward magnetic north.
4. Loosen all clothing, but keep covered so that you are slightly warmer than what might normally be comfortable.
5. Be sure you are in a location where, and at a time when, there will be absolutely no noise to disturb you.
6. Enter a state of relaxation.
7. Give yourself the mental suggestion that your will remember all that occurs during the upcoming session that will be eneficial to your well being. Repeat this five times.
8. As your breathe, concentrate on the void in front of you.
9. Select a point a foot away from your forehead, then change your point of mental reference to six feet.
10. Turn the point 90 degrees upward by drawing an imaginary line parallel to your body axis up above you head. Focus there and reach out for the vibrations at that point and bring them back into your body.
Even if you don't know what these vibrations are, you will know when you have achieved contact with them.
Step Five:
Learn to control the vibrational state. Practice controlling them by mentally pushing them into your head, down to your toes, making them surge throughout your entire body, and producing vibrational waves from head to foot. To produce this wave effect, concentrate on the vibrations and mentally push a wave out of your head and guide it down your body. Practice this until you can induce these waves on command. Once you have control of the vibrational state, you are ready to leave the body.
Step Six:
Begin with a partial separation. The key here is thought control. Keep your mind firmly focused on the idea of leaving the body. Do not let it wander. Stray thoughts might cause you to lose control of the state.
Now having entered the vibrational state, begin exploring the OBE by releasing a hand or a foot of the "second body". Monroe suggests that you extend a limb until it comes in contact with a familiar object, such as a wall near your bed. Then push it through the object. Return the limb by placing it back int coincidence with the physical one, decrease the vibrational rate, and then terminate the experiment. Lie quietly until you have fully returned to normal. This exercise will prepare you for full separation.
Step Seven:
Dissociate yourself from the body. Monroe suggests two methods for this. One method is to lift out of the body. To do this, think about getting lighter and lighter after entering the vibrational state. Think about how nice it would be to float upward. Keep this thougth in mind at all costs and let no extraneous thoughts interrupt it. An OBE will occur naturally at this point.
Another method is the "Rotation Method" or "roll-out" technique. When you have achieved the vibrational state, try to roll over as if you were turning over in bed. Do not attempt to roll over physically. Try to twist your body from the top and virtually roll over into your second body right out of your physical self. At this point, you will be out of the body, but next to it. Think of floating upward, and you should find yourself floating above the body.
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cosmic is wrong all you need is a little knowledge and you can astral project i will give a little bit astral projection sends you soul to other dimensions and a little advise find the 8 elements of creation
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In addition to what CoSmIc has written above, I find that such feats are made a little easier if you remove metal from your person. Things like jewlery, pendants, etc. even the buttons on your jeans or the clasp on your belt (if you don't want to be in your skivvies, just put on a pair of sweats or something - it helps with the "getting comfortable" part, anyway)
Exceptions to this include religeous paraphenalea that you feel would help you. For instance, I've got a large, silver pendant that was given to me as a gift. I use it to help me concentrate on my totem (wolf), who helps me meditate and guides me in my journeys. Now - you may or may not have totemic beliefs, but if you do, try to summon your totem or familiar spirit - ask them politely for help (never demand anything of a spirit because you likely won't get help from them or any of their friends for that matter - demands are for "magi" with too much hubris).
I hope that helps :-) Post back if you have any results from CoSmIc's or my own advice - I love to hear about successful stories.
-Loup
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Well I astral project natrually. I dont know why or really how....I just do and its hard for me to control.
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I don't really want to learn how to have an OBE, but could someone tell me how to enter the Astral World?
-Shadowling
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Okay! That seriously freaked me out! I thought I'd give the OBE projection thing a try because I figured it wouldn't work, so I tried it right here in front of the computer! I was already in a daze, and I was confident it wouldn't work so I closed my eyes and leaned back and had no fear of leaving 'cause I didn't think I could. But then, my face started vibrating and then my ears and some of my upper torso, so I tried pushing the vibrations down to my toes. It didn't work, so I wasn't nervous again. Suddenly, I felt kind of like I was gently ascending, which freaked me out, so I opened my eyes and I discovered my head was lolling back. Whoa! I completely thought that you couldn't astral project but now I'm having second thoughts! I didn't see anything though.... Oh well, mabeye next time if I don't get freaked out. Thanks CoSmIc! :D
-Shadowling
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It took me almost 10 years of learning to do self hypnosis to be able to take down walls of the inner psyche.
YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS. When you do, you remove all the protective barriers between this world and the world of the supernatural.
People who are born with psychic type abilities don't have these barriers in place as 'normal' people do. They are often labelled 'crazy', 'disturbed', or even 'mentally ill'.
They see and hear things that others cannot see and hear.
You will open your consciousness to all sorts of events and experiences that a person is normally protected from. Then you are vulnerable to the real war between good and evil, God and satan, that goes on in the supernatural realm.
If anyone is stubborn enough to keep trying this after such a warning, be sure to ask for help when you get in over your head.
God is really the only one who can help you out of this.
It's far more serious than you realize. I can tell from the writing styles and language usage on this forum that most members are in their teens and early 20's. I don't like to use my age to try to prove my point, but I am 50, I have been there and I know what I'm talking about.
Astral projection is dangerous. If God wants you to have a vision, or take you on a journey, you will be taken. Form a relationship with Him and ask Him if this is something you could benefit from. Doing it by yourself, or asking for guidance from any strange entity, is simply asking for trouble.
Morticia
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Here's the thing Morticia: I do want this! All my life I've felt different, and now I have a better idea why. Only I can't say here. But by learning astral projection, I've found some links to sites which helped tell me why I've always felt different. So astral projection has shed light on who I am, and what makes me happy. Mabeye any contact with non-religious beliefs has always worked out bad for you Morticia, but I've never had any bad experiances with them.
-Shadowling
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Morticia this question is for you,
I was thinking about trying this because the thought of losing a barrier does not exactly frighten me for demons have already seemed to find a way through it...and speaking of the demons thats what question based. I need to know that if i leave body for astral will demon then have more control or will it be the same as it was before when i come back? Could I just abandend it forever more to astral relm where no harm will be to anyone from it anymore. a cure by astro projection is what i ponder. Answer question as soon as possible morticia please
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This is only my opinion, but I believe you will be giving over more power to the demon.
The reason for your anger when you read my PM is the demon getting infuriated at losing control.
Since we've established that much, I don't think we need any more religious talk.
One thing you need to remember: the demon will lie to you. Just about everything it says, you can consider that it's probably a lie.
You are so young it absolutely breaks my heart to see you going through this. It's not easy for anybody, and the biggest shame is that so few people really believe it, and know how hurtful it is. And also that there's no quick fix, like a spell or banishment from the occult.
I don't think you should do it - you have enough barriers down already. While you are APing, the demon will have the body 100%.
Morticia
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You have probebally saved my body from mit now. How much of barrier of mine is down already? So many questions I had no one to answer in past. Everyone else here like to tell me same thing that I am having speical power or repeated telling me of I am posses but you reply fast as i do and it is easy 2 talk to u. Demon making it hard for me to stick in my studys and is shows me letters in his language so i find myself writing what i see there not what teacher says. And i cannot stay hom ebecause I am possessed, sadly :wink: . I try to look on optomistic side of thing as much as I can. Demon is no longer exactly frightening me as it was bnefore. I now post whenever i want and not wait tell demon is not looking. It may see whatever it pleases
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Everything is going to be ok.
I am in the U.S. Are you in this country? Don't tell me where, I don't need to know exactly.
I just thought from your writing you might be outside the U.S.
Morticia
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No i am from usa sry about writing. Sometimes when i write we both want to write at same time So i rush my words down as fast as i can and submit I try not to slip so I be very careful about it.
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That's ok. I just wondered.
I had a pen pal once, from a famous rock band in Germany!!! I can't tell who it was.
But he wrote like you.
Morticia
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Im getting the reverse phycology feeling..More you say not to more i want too
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I think I understand you.
I just meant not to tell anything about where you are, name, etc., all the things that older people tell young people to stay safe on the internet.
I'm a real worrier about stuff like that. It didn't mean I didn't care, or whatever. I just wouldn't want you to share things like that if you were my son.
In fact, I don't even let my son on the internet at all. He's 13. But he visits places a 13 year old doesn't need to be. Maybe when he's older, or shows a little more maturity, we can let him on some. But right now he just can't.
Morticia
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Would i be dead if it took 100% control?
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I honestly don't know.
Try asking this question at the other place. The friend of mine whose demons take total control of her eventually back off, and she is in control of the body again. Maybe they don't take control forever, just for short periods of time.
I wish I could answer this one.
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It sounds fun...until you are paralyzed and struggling to regain control of your body...
Believe me, I've been through it several times...astral projection was the gateway...after I stopped attempting though, the incidents never stopped...the last one was a little over a week ago...and I almost lost...it takes all your strength and willpower to regain control...sometimes more, sometimes less. Lately, I have been losing the willpower...I have been wanting to see what happens, when I stop struggling...when I let myself slip off the edge...and I'm still scared. I'm getting too used to it.
Not having control of yourself...not knowing what's going to happen...being totally alone...unable to move...is the worst feeling in the world. I don't think death could be worse.
I could go into detail if you'd like, what exactly happened to me...or you may already know, if you've looked in the right place...there's a link to a post I made on another forum around here somewhere...but it mostly refers to what might've caused it, than the actual experiences I've had.
~shrug~ maybe what happened to me won't happen to you...but know that there is a risk...and you don't want to be where I am.
BTW...if you still want to do it after that...I'll have you know that it could take as little as a week, or as long as 20 years or more. There are as many unique ways to go about astral projecting as there are unique people...you have to find the way that's right for you...and that could take a long time...and so could trying to master it. Mastering a technique that isn't right for you, even longer.