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Title: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on July 31, 2009, 10:27:12 AM
hitler in any way shape of form is a touchy subject for alot of people.  so i will begin by saying that i agree and or support anything he did.  but i think that if u stop and think about it how many "good" people died during the crusades, inquisition, witch trials.  all because they did not share the same point of view as the church. i believe that hitler was onto the biggest and most controversial discovery ever with his ideas of the aryan race.  which is one ofr the orignal 12 tribes depending on which book u read.  another example is joan of arc who fought for the church then was accused OF HERESY BY THE VERY SAME ORGANIZATION THAT CALLED UPON HER TO FIGHT THEIR WAR. 
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on July 31, 2009, 10:57:41 AM
Just so I know exactly where you stand, did you say you do agree and suport what he did, or that you dont?

Im asking, because Im not sure if you made a mistake when writing, I will also add, whatever your opinion is.....well everyone is welcome to his or her own opinion whatever it may be.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on July 31, 2009, 02:01:27 PM
i dont support what he did or agree with but his ideas about the "aryans" were founded long before thwe holocost and ww2.  and he found most of the info out in mongolia at a temple.  on the holocost it was heinrich himmler that is to blame for most of the atrocities
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on July 31, 2009, 04:38:07 PM
hmmm.....

I still have no goddamn idea where you stand, If you are trying to say something, SAY IT!!

But in the mean time, .............no........nevermind....................I would like to know what your deal is, before I tear your ass to shreads

and trust me pal.......If you are a racist troll ..... You will not last here long.


I have the fealing You are a GUTLESS PIECE OF "edit out"

I wonder if Im right.

answer You little "edit out"
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on July 31, 2009, 04:51:15 PM
Thank you, ravin, for writing down my thoughts. I still don't understand what you're trying to say, either, DA... Especially the "most controversial discovery"... There's nothing special or great in being one of the most wretched men in history...
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on July 31, 2009, 05:05:39 PM
Ah, thank you Kube....Ive just been waiting for this little fark to come back and explain himself.

The gutless little "editout" probably will not even show up again, shame!!

Im hungry.

If you hear me you little "editout" mabey Hitler will get your back.....but that little lady wont help much concidering old Ravin and his pals are tearing your guts out

"edit out"DO SOMETHING IF YOU CAN!!
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on July 31, 2009, 05:16:53 PM
It's only been 3 hours, he'll prolly come back... I'll be there to watch what happens :wink: GO, RAVINCLAW!!!
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on July 31, 2009, 05:39:58 PM
I cant stand a goddamn racist.  "I edited this one too, uncalled for"
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on July 31, 2009, 05:50:53 PM
Hmmm... I wonder... maybe he won't come back after all... You scared it off ! XD But really, I'm with ya... Can't stand racism, and I live in a really multicultural place, so I see it every day. It really gets on my nerves! Good idea reviving the 'racism' thread.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: onishadowolf on July 31, 2009, 05:53:50 PM
Well now, let's see what his position is on this, before we tear into him. Alright guys.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on July 31, 2009, 06:00:41 PM
Alright, let's wait and see what he has to say  0:)
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on July 31, 2009, 06:07:56 PM
Fine with me, Oni.but I think I may know where this is going,   If Im right.......please let me kill it  :banplea: PLEASE
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: onishadowolf on July 31, 2009, 06:52:12 PM
Aww man, you guys are incouragible!
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Muerte on July 31, 2009, 07:44:00 PM
  Flip ya for it Ravin?  My real first question here is "Where is the proof?"  Every conspiracy has an origin, so...........

  I read the post when it first came up, but due to the deplorable writing (lack of capitalization, punctuation, ect.) I ignored it, until now.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on July 31, 2009, 08:41:55 PM
I gave the benifit of the doubt at first, I thought some dumbass could have stumbled upot the forum with some dumbass idea.

Heads or Tailes?
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Muerte on July 31, 2009, 08:45:36 PM
  Heads
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on August 01, 2009, 07:22:08 AM
first and foremost let me say this i am not racist i was only trying to point out a fact.  and that is what makes any tyrant or malevolent ruler such as hitler any different than the church with the crusades, inquisition, witch trials, jihad etc...... nowhere in any of my posts did i say ne thing racist or even hint towards racism.  i was only using him as an example.  learn how to read between the lines.  see the grey not just the black and white.  and dont take what i wrote out of context.  BTW. fark U FOR CALLING ME A POS ASSHOLE
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: onishadowolf on August 01, 2009, 08:25:45 AM
Okay, now that we have that cleared up, what is it that you are trying to put between the lines? For those who can't read between the lines or misinterpet what is between the lines. (I'm trying to defuse the situation, throw me a bone here Darkness A.)   
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on August 01, 2009, 08:31:14 AM
Well ok then. What got me wound up was the way you put "inocent people" in " " , those people were inocent and killed for no reason.

Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on August 01, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
not to double post but I thought Id tell ya what I thought was going to hapen Darkness,

I figured you were going to be some nazi who came in here trying to recruit some of us or something.

The way you wrote your first two posts left things wide open, not that thats always a bad thing.

and if you hadnt called me an asshole I would think you were a wus :-D
I am an asshole, Ive excepted it, you may as well except it to.


 welcome to monstrous.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on August 01, 2009, 11:03:34 AM
first and foremost let me say this i am not racist i was only trying to point out a fact.  and that is what makes any tyrant or malevolent ruler such as hitler any different than the church with the crusades, inquisition, witch trials, jihad etc...... nowhere in any of my posts did i say ne thing racist or even hint towards racism.  i was only using him as an example.  learn how to read between the lines.  see the grey not just the black and white.  and dont take what i wrote out of context.  BTW. fark U FOR CALLING ME A POS ASSHOLE

It's tough to read between the lines in that case... You started talking about Hitler, then the crusades, then the aryan race, then 12 tribes or something (my religious knowledge is lacking, so if it's part of the texts, never heard of it ~_~") You were jumping from a subject to another ~_~ But good to see you're not some neo-nazi freak. As ravin said, welcome to monstrous :wink:
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on August 01, 2009, 01:04:02 PM
thanks i didnt mean to piss anybody off or offend anybody.  that was somewhat my fault for being so vague.  and what i meant by see the grey is through out history there have been many malevolent tyrants that were never killed or assinated.  yet when you do a little of reasearch youll find that religion or occult was not involved.  but all those that involved those topics are after the vatican was established were all killed and for the most part pretty horrific means of torture and slow death were involved.  probably one of the ones that is most familiar is the story of joan of arc. 
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on August 01, 2009, 01:18:24 PM
Well, I got down right evil with you before I knew what you were geting at, but now that we all know what we are talking about,

The church has done alot of screwed up s**t, I have a BIG problem with organized religion, if you get around to looking in our religious threads, check out the one I started, it will explain alot of my personal fealings on the subject.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on August 01, 2009, 02:46:45 PM
Yeah, the things the church has done is one of the main reasons for my nickname ~_^ They've killed countless people for nothing and many of those worked toward the same goals as them (like Joan of Arc)... Not to mention manipulating the masses for their own profit (Crusades) and many more. I think everybody should believe in whatever they want and be able to practice however they want (i.e. You shouldn't be told you'll go to Hell because you don't confess every Sunday...)
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on August 02, 2009, 11:59:40 AM
I edited some of my posts in this thread, because namecalling is not usually my style and he redeamed himself, but yeah I was being pretty rough before I got my facts straight, If I would have been right I would not have edited anything, but I was not, if any member was offended feel free to kick my ass.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Muerte on August 02, 2009, 11:08:19 PM
I edited some of my posts in this thread, because namecalling is not usually my style and he redeamed himself, but yeah I was being pretty rough before I got my facts straight, If I would have been right I would not have edited anything, but I was not, if any member was offended feel free to kick my ass.

  *KICK*  I wasn't offended, but if the ass if poffered for kicking then who I am to pass it up?

  Darkness I appreciate that you are writing in a more understandable style, this will go a long ways in helping others to understand you better.  Feel free to speak straight forward, no need to infer anything between the lines as monstrous is not your normal society.  We will listen if you are plainly spoken.

  Oni, you good little Mod you, cudos.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on August 03, 2009, 10:41:10 AM
Ha! no, you probably wernt offended....you probably liked it. *<:)
after I thought about it I figured I better edit stuff though, thats the first time Ive ever edited any of my posts.....kinda leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

but I hope he sticks around and dosnt hold a grudge.

and yeah, Oni is a good moderator, thats a job I dont think I would be cut our for.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: onishadowolf on August 03, 2009, 07:45:21 PM
Too kind, much too kind. But, accepted none the less. 
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on August 04, 2009, 11:23:28 AM
the main sub for this post was the church as the heading for the forum is conspiricies.  and it is kinda xtreme but it grabs your attention and makes you stop and think and or do a little reasearch.  and that is how i came upon this info.  was through a church fallacy web site.  (fallacy)= lie.  sorry had to put the meaning in there you wouldnt believe how many times it is mistaken for the other  word.  now back to the topic the only true evil throughout history is the church and its believers.  and all the lies/coverups etc....  since year 1 ad.  before that christianity was the religion that was considered "taboo"
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on August 04, 2009, 12:50:49 PM
Actually, there was no chrisitanity before year 1 since christ wasn't born... But yeah, they did cover up so much and abused of their power throughout history.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on August 05, 2009, 07:10:21 AM
in lieu of that could the christians be wrong about their god?  and all religions before christianity be right
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on August 05, 2009, 11:50:54 AM
Well some religions are pretty.. contradictory... Like Allah vs the Greek Gods. One is still the same concept as Christianity while the Greeks have many imperfect gods instead of one all-knowing omnipotent entity. Who knows...
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Moloch on August 18, 2009, 12:22:18 PM
I have a better question: "Why must any religion be seen as the only correct one?"
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on August 18, 2009, 12:33:24 PM
it doesnt.  after all if you believe in something enough doesnt that something become real
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on August 22, 2009, 07:05:41 AM
I have a better question: "Why must any religion be seen as the only correct one?"

EXACTLY!! nowhere in the bible dose it say "I am the only God there is" It says "have no other Gods before me."  and besides that, some diferent religions are worshiping the same God, by a different name, and even besides that, in some cultures one mans demon is another mans god, Hell, mabey there is more truth in all religion than we think,.........mabey not, its just a thought.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Andrea Warfare on August 22, 2009, 08:17:39 AM
"EXACTLY!! nowhere in the bible dose it say "I am the only God there is" It says "have no other Gods before me."  and besides that, some diferent religions are worshiping the same God, by a different name, and even besides that, in some cultures one mans demon is another mans god, Hell, mabey there is more truth in all religion than we think,.........mabey not, its just a thought"

I'm sure that's what was meant when it was written "have no other gods before me" I'd say that's blatantly stating.Do not worship any other than God.Also, "do not worship false idols"...so yeah,its all there.In the christian religion,1 God.other religions,multiple Gods of varying genders and species.There are some religions/people who worship more than one God such as the native american and egyptian culture.I think its quite interesting how no matter what culture, there is a belief of an afterlife.When it really boils down to it,most religions are based on living a positive life to gain access to the shangrala,vallhalla,heaven,nirvana.

What if everyone is right?

Or...what if the mormans were right all along?(Anyone see the southpark episode?)

Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Moloch on August 22, 2009, 02:56:52 PM
I believe I will let this selection of quotes from others more (in)famous than myself speak for me:

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
Lucius Annaeus Seneca.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on August 22, 2009, 03:04:45 PM
I believe I will let this selection of quotes from others more (in)famous than myself speak for me:

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
Lucius Annaeus Seneca.

Good stuff right there!

But really, as far as we know, and we'll ever know, every religion could be right. And it's like Andrea said, most religions have the same base values... Except maybe the Valhalla part, though, in order to go there, one must die in battle. All those who die of other causes aren't allowed in. So it's a concept a little different than the others. As for many religions worshiping the same god under many names, the Islam considers the Bible to be the revelation of God. (More precisely, a revelation of God twisted and modified by it being passed down from generation to generation, but the revelation of God nonetheless.)
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Andrea Warfare on August 22, 2009, 04:27:59 PM
What I was trying to pinpoint and show was that in all religions we are required to do things in our earthly lives to go to the afterlife...all of these realms must be obtained by jumping through "hoops"
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on August 22, 2009, 06:26:20 PM
Ah, ok. I thought you were saying that in every religion you have to be a kind, generous, sane and loving person in order to pass on to the 'good side' of the afterlife.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on August 23, 2009, 06:32:58 PM
I was thinking.......

what the hell is up with Satanists, do they waunt to go to hell or what?

anyone know?
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on August 23, 2009, 07:40:58 PM
I was thinking.......

what the hell is up with Satanists, do they waunt to go to hell or what?

anyone know?

Yeah, I've been wondering the same thing... I don't see their logic.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Muerte on August 24, 2009, 02:06:54 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_LaVey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_LaVey)

  The above is the information you wanted on modern Satanism and it's founder, happy research to all.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on August 24, 2009, 11:18:13 AM
yeah, I know about that dude Anton Xander Lavay, that bunch dont believe in anything except doing whatever they like to do......hell, mabey Im a satonist by their terms.......hmmm...

I kinda think the church of satan is a froud, just to get atention, stir people up.

some of what they think makes sence though, mabey Ill read into it a little more.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Muerte on September 06, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
  You can get a copy of it's bible at any book store.  Modern Satanism is unlike what others consider it to be however.  (no I am not a satanist, or a christian, as you all know I bow to nothing, be it a man or a god)
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on September 09, 2009, 06:29:07 AM
some view satanism as not denying yourself all of the secular pleasures this world and life have to offer.  very similar the the setites in the first conan movie.  which they were a religion long before the chirstianity was a gleam in a demented priest's eye
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on September 09, 2009, 06:30:22 AM
and no i am not religious in any way shape of form
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: ravinclaw on September 09, 2009, 07:23:26 AM
I can agree with not denying yourself what you waunt, but we all have our own code of ethics, even if we are not religious. For instance I can do some things that others think is wrong and Ill go to hell for, but to me its not wrong at all.

I think if we try to do whats right by ourselfs, what the hell more could a fair god, if there is one could ask for.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Muerte on September 09, 2009, 05:45:04 PM
  Well the christian God demands strict obidience.  Remember my freind, the Christian God is not all loving or forgiving, he did after all deliver the slap heard around the universe to one of his top angels jsut for asking one small question.  "Why would you put man brfore us?  Your perfect creations?"  Doesn't sound like a too understanding God to me.  Sounds more like a spoiled child who never learned to share.

  When ever I get to see God he will probably bellow "YOU DARE QUESTION ME?  YOU DARE QUESTION THE WORD OF GOD?"

  My reply?  "You bet your celestial ass I do!  And I am about to do it again."
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on September 10, 2009, 08:23:21 AM
hell yes.  after all isnt the dominant religion the one that killed all those that believed in something else
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Muerte on September 10, 2009, 04:21:41 PM
hell yes.  after all isnt the dominant religion the one that killed all those that believed in something else

  Correct, after all, the victor writes the histories do they not?
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on September 10, 2009, 05:08:59 PM
I just looked at the 'latest post' next to conspiracies and saw "Hitler's assassination... by Muerte"
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: Muerte on September 10, 2009, 05:28:22 PM
I just looked at the 'latest post' next to conspiracies and saw "Hitler's assassination... by Muerte"

  Kube, if I had been the one to plot his assassination, he would have been dead.  After all, nothing stands in my way when I want something.
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on September 10, 2009, 05:35:20 PM
Oh, that's right, he didn't actually get assassinated... :roll: He killed himself... twice... Bit into a cyanide capsule AS he shot himself in the head.

But this is conspiracy theories, anything is possible :-P
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: DARKNESS AWAKENED on September 11, 2009, 06:17:50 AM
do you have any hard core proof that that is exactly what happened? meaning autopsy records death cert?any shred of evidence?  i do just do a little bit of reasearch see if you can find it on your own b4 i point u in the right direction
Title: Re: hitler's assasination by the vatican.
Post by: KubeSix on September 11, 2009, 11:46:07 AM
What? That Muerte killed Hitler? :-P

Well I'm not really saying he actually commit suicide and even less did it in that way; I'm merely quoting all the history books that say he killed himself with a cyanide capsule and a shot to the temple when the Soviet forces approached the Reich Chancellery. Witnesses said they could smell the scent of burned almonds. That's the smell of cyanide in it's gas state. At the same time, his wife is said to have poisoned herself because Heinx Linge, his valet, the one who found the bodies, said there were no bodily wounds on her in contrast to Hitler's which had a gunshot wound to the head. A Walther PPK 7.65 mm pistol was found by his body.

There was no autopsy, since they put the bodies in a garden near the study and burned them using petrol. It's said the ashes were scattered in the Elbe River.

That's what we were told in history class. But that's why there's so much conspiracy theories about his death; nobody can really know what happened because the witnesses have no proof.