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The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)
« on: December 05, 2011, 08:12:15 AM »
I have been convinced, for some time, that the U.S. government contains some of the least intelligent and least qualified people in this universe. This is a rule by stupid, and stupid is dangerous to everyone. Every year, a National Defense Authorization Act is passed into law, but this year, things aren't looking so "innocent" anymore.

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The National Defense Authorization Act will allow the President to use the military to detain Americans on American soil without a trail. I am completely in support of detaining terrorists that we have caught on the battlefield, but detaining Americans on American soil with no trial is just outrageous!
- [Source 1] at the bottom of post.

I'm no conservative like David Bellow, the guy that I've quoted, but I darn well agree with him.

So now we can be detained, without a trial, if government officials believe we are terrorists. Modern day witch-hunts, huh? "He's a terrorist! Let's beat the demons out of him!!"

The provision to this "act," which was supposed to take out the "indefinite detainment" was rejected, quite thoroughly, by our rank idiot Senate.

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The Senate voted Tuesday to keep a controversial provision to let the military detain terrorism suspects on U.S. soil and hold them indefinitely without trial -- prompting White House officials to reissue a veto threat.

The measure, part of the massive National Defense Authorization Act, was also opposed by civil libertarians on the left and right. But 16 Democrats and an independent joined with Republicans to defeat an amendment by Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) that would have killed the provision, voting it down with 61 against, and 37 for it.
- [Source 2] also at the bottom of post.

So, basically, 61 people in the senate, out of 100, are thoroughly insane.

Oh, oh, and it gets crazier, too!

Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice is also being repealed by the NDAA.

Article 125 states:

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"(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense. (b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
- [Source 1]

Did I mention that this, which made it illegal to have sex with animals, is being repealed? Now, I'm not cynical enough to assume that everyone is going to run around raping everyone (though I wouldn't be surprised)... but seriously?

[sarcasm]So, we did it, folks! We certainly did! Whether it involves you being subjugated for life because you disagreed with the good government, or whether it allows you to have sex with your zebra, the NDAA is truly something to be proud of! [/sarcasm]

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Source 1 - http://www.texasgopvote.com/restore-families/texas-senators-vote-legalize-sex-animals-national-defense-authorization-act-003594

Source 2 - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/29/senate-votes-to-let-military-detain-americans-indefinitely_n_1119473.html

P.S. This isn't conspiracy, as much as I'd like to pretend this doesn't exist. Oh, did I mention this rapes the the fourth amendment to the Bill of Rights? I guess that explains why they had to essentially legalize rape.
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Re: The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2011, 01:29:38 PM »
Bestiality is not illegal in some states already. Rather, it is covered by other, vaguer, decency and conduct laws. Similarly, the amendment to the Uniform Code of Military Justice still leaves Article 134 for offenses against good military order and discipline. The UK's military law, Queen's Regulations, has a similar catch-all provision against "conduct prejudicial to good military order." Of course, one way of looking at this would be: "If our servicemen and women need rules to prevent them from having sex with animals, perhaps the problem lies with our personnel selection procedures, not the UCMJ." I doubt that it is a problem anyway. Before worrying about an amendment which has been removed to prevent the punishment of homosexuals (but which remains covered by Article 134) I'd be more interested to know how often, in say the last 30 years, a serviceman or woman has been charged with bestiality. A redundant law is redundant. Unless, as I suspect many conservatives really think, the hoo-ha about the bestiality is just to draw attention to the fact that the military is outlawing queer bashing...

With regard to the change in the law allowing the indefinite detention of US citizens suspected of terrorism, well, what goes around comes around. Back when Bush Jr. was at the helm the conservatives were quite happy with the Patriot Act. This is its logical outcome. When they were calling the "liberals" who opposed the Patriot Act "unpatriotic" they should have stopped for a moment to think where this was all going to end up... It's also a bit rich that the opinion seems to be "well, it was fine to lock up them foreigners indefinitely and without charge or trial..." Them foreigners mostly didn't speak English, were "rendered" in secret, subjected to torture in foreign countries, and denied any contact with the outside world. At least if it happens to a US citizen, people will know about it and be able to take legal measures on their behalf.

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Re: The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 03:34:24 PM »
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“It’s all about using the military to advance this administration’s radical social agenda,” Perkins told CNSNews.com. “Not only did they overturn Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, but they had another problem, and that is, under military law sodomy is illegal, just as adultery is illegal, so they had to remove that prohibition against sodomy.”
- Source: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/senate-approves-bill-legalizes-sodomy-and-bestiality-us-military

After reading that article, which was quoted by the blog you mentioned, I'm sorry to say that the statement "Senate legalizes bestiality" is somewhat misleading. It implies that they actually discussed a law to specifically legalize it. Where as there is a strong possibility, as the article hinted, "may have been intentional--or just “collateral damage”.

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Family Research Council President Tony Perkins said

Since this was the only guy the news group quote from, I'm going to go out on a limb and say this guy may have stretched the truth, or maybe just cut it in half. This may sound somewhat prejudicial, but the title "family research" sounds way to much like one of those anti-gay/anti-abortion paranoid Christian groups. I'll do more research into it before I make any definitive statements, but it sounds like were aren't being told the whole story.

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It is imperative for America to stand up for the Christian, Moral foundation of America. As we get away from the principles that America was founded on, the foundation of America begins to erode and America will see more problems.
-Source: http://www.texasgopvote.com/restore-families/texas-senators-vote-legalize-sex-animals-national-defense-authorization-act-003594

I'm an ex-20 year old Jehovah's Witness, and I say this is bull. Keep religion out of politics, not because it may be false, but because idiots use it to further their own agenda. This guy sounds like another person who spreads moral panics that don't exist. The senate wanted to ditch the sodomy law, not legalize bestiality. They aren't actually thinking about whether or not zoophiles should be free, they're thinking "lets just throw this whole bill away and if somebody farks a dog, they can use a different law to punish them."

There are stupid things done in the legal system all the time, this is just another example of it. Its not part of a conspiracy to legalize bestiality, its just political correctness backfiring.

But as for throwing anybody in prison for any reason without a trial, I'm pretty sure thats against something somewhere in the Geneva convention. It doesn't matter though, the government does it behind the public's back anyway.
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Re: The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 03:27:39 AM »


Did I mention that this, which made it illegal to have sex with animals, is being repealed? Now, I'm not cynical enough to assume that everyone is going to run around raping everyone (though I wouldn't be surprised)... but seriously?



You need to re read the "sodomy" part. It isn't making rape legal. Its making sodomy legal. Allowing men to sleep with other men. That's not a bad thing. That's progress for gay rights. As for shagging animals, it will still be considered illegal under animal cruelty laws. Sometimes sodomy is wrongly used to mean anal rape. But it doesn't in this case.
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Re: The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 06:32:35 PM »
Thank you for your replies everyone.

To make something else clear, I'm not against gays nor am I Conservative. Political labels are for those that support the phony "Liberal vs. Conservative" war.   

Anyway, I'm against bestiality and the such, so I hope some of the replies are right that sub-humans get what's coming for those crimes, or rather that someone will take action, since I'm probably not in the area at the time. I can only hope, right there...

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...well, what goes around comes around...

I love our little conversations here... they are so refreshingly deranged.

Unfortunately, that "philosophy" is not true. If it were, I doubt crime could exist anymore. I do love the delusion of Karma though, I really do.

"We'll just leave to the Cosmos/God to take care of all our problems!"

People told over and over that "God" wasn't going to solve my problems for me, and you know, they were right. I'm not sure why those same people feel that this "God" fellow is going to come down and magically wish all of our problems away.

Millions get on their knees and beg for the world to be ended... the double standard is disgusting.

I wish I ruled the Omniverse - secretly, everyone does. I don't however, and I have no reason to believe anyone else does. It's up to humanity to solve the equation.

But I'm being way too open for my own good here. Whatever... I see no sufficient reason to care.

I sincerely hope that everyone's idealism comes true. After all, if you are good, then Karma will give you a nice swimming pool with a happy family.  :roll: Maybe you'll get that Personal Boeing 747 you wanted.

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Re: The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 04:04:14 AM »
Unfortunately, that "philosophy" is not true. If it were, I doubt crime could exist anymore.

That isn't a "philosophy", that is a turn of phrase... You know, like the old poem: "Beneath the beam that blocked the sky / None had stood so alone as I. / The Hangman noosed me, and no voice there  / Cried "Stop!" for me in the empty square..."

Although given that you took a news item about an amendment to military regs and conflated its contents into a government conspiracy to legalize rape, I guess I should have stuck to a simpler use of language. Sometimes I truly despair at the state of what passes for education these days.


People told over and over that "God" wasn't going to solve my problems for me, and you know, they were right. I'm not sure why those same people feel that this "God" fellow is going to come down and magically wish all of our problems away.

Nobody mentioned God in this thread except you.

I do love the delusion of Karma though, I really do.

Yes, delusions are fabulous. I've lost count of the number of times I've snorted coffee on the screen while reading some people's 'beliefs'

Their are currently 14 (possibly 15) different alien factions down in the cave systems (the world is not really hollow), not including the Draconians, who are the true owners of the planet.
There are currently several (14 or 15 since the year 2000) alien factions on the planet. 8 of those factions abduct humans (but not every "abductee" is telling the truth) and 3 of those factions are "hostile" towards us.
The goverment, humorously enough, is aware of alien existence on the planet. They just do what the elite tell them, though.

Damn, there we go again. Could you pass me a napkin please?







« Last Edit: December 07, 2011, 04:06:43 AM by Jake »

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Re: The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2011, 05:13:38 PM »
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That isn't a "philosophy", that is a turn of phrase... You know, like the old poem: "Beneath the beam that blocked the sky / None had stood so alone as I. / The Hangman noosed me, and no voice there  / Cried "Stop!" for me in the empty square..."

Although given that you took a news item about an amendment to military regs and conflated its contents into a government conspiracy to legalize rape, I guess I should have stuck to a simpler use of language. Sometimes I truly despair at the state of what passes for education these days.

That turn of phrase, as it were, is a fair reference to Karma.

Secondly, I wanted a second opinion on the NDAA. I figured more or less it was an accident (to an unconscious) extent, and as I said, I hope you are right. Thank you for your assessment.

It's the dialect in action. I bring forth a thesis - Governments are crazy and want to physically rape people.

You, an antithesis - Governments DON'T want to physically rape people.

Together, we get a synthesis - Governments are crazy... but they don't physically rape people.

Brilliant how forums can work like that!

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Nobody mentioned God in this thread except you.

Agreed, though I'm not entirely sure what your point is. I can't bring something up unless someone else mentions it?

I brought it up in my "attack" of that turn phrase, as it were, which references Karma.

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Yes, delusions are fabulous. I've lost count of the number of times I've snorted coffee on the screen while reading some people's 'beliefs'

Damn, there we go again. Could you pass me a napkin please?

No one mentioned aliens on this thread but you... referencing me.   0:)

*Passes napkin* Forgive me, you truly are an asset on this forum. I just wonder what exactly my belief of aliens on this planet "being a delusion" (as you so strongly hinted) has to do with my opinion on Karma "being a delusion" (as I said directly)?

Certainly my belief in aliens (or the details of their presence here) comes out as crazy (to you and many, many others), but it didn't create any Caste system, like in India.

Finally, It seems you weren't aware of the connection of that turn phrase, as it were, to Karma.  That relatively makes my above rant a moot post, as that idea flew over your head - no fault to you of course! We all can't be expected to know everything... it'd be nice, though.

Again, I am glad to hear a second opinion always...

Cheers!
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