[Moloch]

Im not sure that is necessarily the truth, cause it would imply that smart people dont believe, and stupid ones dont have opinion, which is, sadly, not true.

Intelligent people believe in their opinions because they are intelligent, and less likely to simply make things up to fit their world-view. Unintelligent people believe their opinions to be true simply because they say they are true.

But still, belief is a belief, and opinion is an opinion. You may have an opinion about religions, but you either believe in God or not.

[Muerte]

But still, belief is a belief, and opinion is an opinion. You may have an opinion about religions, but you either believe in God or not.

  And that is a perfect example of Molochs definition. 
 
  Smart people tend to believe in thier opinion because of what they see, feel, hear, ect.., they have no need to look to others for an explination, because they work things out for themselves to get an answer.  They have fact to back up their opinion, its that cut and dry.
 
  The less inteligent are unable to come to conclusions on their own,  so they develop opinions based on what others have said, thought, or done, basically everything from here say.  There is no fact behind it, just their belief.

  In conclusion someone with an opinion will normally come forward and say " I think this because of so and so " and then produce some form of undeniable proof, while someone with an opinion simply says " I think this because I think it is true, proof?  No I really don't have any, but it's true anyways. "


I'm going to quote you real quick

you either believe in God or not

  Now what proof do you have that It exist ( I do not say He, for if It exist, then It has no sex )?  And do not grab the holy book and wave it around, that was written by man.  Do not say look around you, because the things I see around me can be explained by science, physical proof.  Do not try that " If he didn't create us, then how are we here? " question either.  How are we here?  A very fortunate accident thats how, a chance meeting of complex steps which began our evolution, nothing more.  Speaking of chance meetings let's go  now.  If you wish to continue this discussion Milanee, please start a thread in Idle, or Religions, Cults, and Sects, and I will be happy to debate with you to your hearts content, or discontent, whichever it may be.

Im not exactly sure why you are arguing with me on this, cause we are basically agreeing on the matter. There is no need to attack nor defend here, I simply stated my OPINION, same as you or Moloch did.

If you want quarrels about God, you certainly picked a wrong person. Im not here to discus things that should be personal anyway.

[Muerte]

  My object is not to quarrel, but to debate, as it has ever been.  Quarrels serve no purpose, but debates often lead to a broadening of perspective.

[Moloch]

  My object is not to quarrel, but to debate, as it has ever been.  Quarrels serve no purpose, but debates often lead to a broadening of perspective.

Here, here! Well said, sir; as was your earlier statement.

[Angelus]

I learned how to handle the question of physical evidence of a god. When someone asks you to prove that there is a god you respond with "I can't, but I will submit if you can provide me with the 100% evidence of his non existance." The problem with the supernatural is when it is discovered and proven it is no longer supernatural but natural. The same goes for the devine. If proven it will lead to the natural explanation of god and then he (I use he for lack of a better fitting word) is no longer devine.

[Muerte]

"I can't, but I will submit if you can provide me with the 100% evidence of his non existance."

  Excellent, Angelus, Excellent!  That, believe it or not, is the exact responce I was looking for. ( Yes, I have heard it said exctly before, and have had quite a few indepth discussions with those who have said it)  Praise be for the ray of light in which true understanding abounds.  No one can prove or disprove the actual exsistance of something we can not see or explain.  I do, myself, believe in a higher power, but that's a story for anouther thread.

[Angelus]

I feel special. Give me a feckin cookie. lol

[Moloch]

Of course I exist! Why was there ever any doubt? 

[Muerte]

I feel special. Give me a feckin cookie. lol

  Sure you wouldn't like a steak instead?   

[Kadesh]

 Why hasn't anyone gotten proof of any of those? Could it be because anyone truly capable of tracking them and getting such proof believes that some things are just best left alone?


 And as for the low numbers... I don't think they're doing it on purpose, but could it be as with other things in nature... man has just taken over more and more... invaded more and more of their space and as a result they are pushed into more dangerous territory, they get hurt more, they die.

 Could the answers be that simple? Who's to say...
 

[Muerte]

Why hasn't anyone gotten proof of any of those? Could it be because anyone truly capable of tracking them and getting such proof believes that some things are just best left alone?


 And as for the low numbers... I don't think they're doing it on purpose, but could it be as with other things in nature... man has just taken over more and more... invaded more and more of their space and as a result they are pushed into more dangerous territory, they get hurt more, they die.

 Could the answers be that simple? Who's to say...
 

  Kadesh with the first part you hit upon my own feelings exactly.  YES!  It is possible that some have actual proof, but the proof they have they got for themselves.  It is what I plan on doing myself.  I just want my curiosity satisfied, but if I do find anything, you can bet money I am not going to share it with society as a whole.  If I did that then old Harry would have no chances at all left.  The scientific community would come down on him like a hammer.

  As for the second part, YES again, it could be that simple, after all, in the game of life, the simpliest answers are often closer to the truth than most people realize.

[Kadesh]

 I search for proof for the same reason. Just for me to know about. There are very very few select people I'd share it with, but I'd never reveal anything to the 'world'.