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Apocalypse Soon => Religions, Cults & Sects => Topic started by: jordyn on January 05, 2009, 06:47:56 AM

Title: blame my dopamine!
Post by: jordyn on January 05, 2009, 06:47:56 AM
let's see how vanilla's do...

in August '08's edition of psychology today they had a fascinating article discussing the "Me Search" interviewing a handful of professionals that have made their life about studying aspects about our self that are misunderstood.

the topic refers to Perter Brugger's exploration into paranormal belief: " After years of exploration, Brugger has accumulated evidence that belief in paranormal activity is a brain function." attributing it to dopamine.

what other chemicals or areas of the brain could be responsible for faith in the supernatural or play a role in other interests?

I'm not complaining to much, he did discover that "believers are happier people" but general observation seems that there are people that were made to believe, even if the god spot has been disproven, it seems dopamine does a lot to make our life more pleasant?
Title: Re: blame my domine!
Post by: Nina on January 05, 2009, 09:02:19 AM
Scientists.... what do they know? They make it sound like its all about chemistry.....
Title: Re: blame my domine!
Post by: 7VII7 on January 05, 2009, 06:33:57 PM
Well when you think about it alot of the things that can be acomplished with science today would be considered magic not that long ago. . .
Title: Re: blame my domine!
Post by: jordyn on January 05, 2009, 09:48:19 PM
actually a lot of it makes sense...learning about my daughter's autism from a neurological standpoint  and my own interests in neurological psychology, body chemistry manipulation(adrenaline junkies, fear seekers etc...) and what creates altered realities with alternative perceptions.  abnormal fluxes in parts of the brain that are normally triggered by a standard amount of chemical as established by the years of research on the brain as normal for a large percentage of the human population are radically changed when an over abundance or deficiency is found.

i don't see how any of it dismisses supernatural experiences it can just help explain why some people have "a gift" and others are more typical for humanity,  scientists can be a believers ally in understanding the power of belief, some scientists are even believers themselves...

...it's the over zealous atheists that concern me.   <^>
Title: Re: blame my domine!
Post by: jordyn on January 05, 2009, 09:53:10 PM
Well when you think about it a lot of the things that can be accomplished with science today would be considered magic not that long ago. . .

and today's magic may be tomorrow's science?

i love the brain, it's my best feature.   ;)
Title: Re: blame my domine!
Post by: Nina on January 06, 2009, 07:46:45 AM
Well when you think about it a lot of the things that can be accomplished with science today would be considered magic not that long ago. . .

and today's magic may be tomorrow's science?

i love the brain, it's my best feature.   ;)

Mine too, and I agree with "todays magic may be tomorrows science" completely. :-D
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: 7VII7 on January 06, 2009, 06:33:33 PM
careful. . . while that is true that type of thinking can lead to problems. . .
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: Nina on January 06, 2009, 07:54:08 PM
You mean the  "todays magic may be tomorrows science" part?

Or brain is my best feature part?  :lol:
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: 7VII7 on January 08, 2009, 04:50:09 PM
the first one. . .
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: blow_fly on January 09, 2009, 07:20:41 AM
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After years of exploration, Brugger has accumulated evidence that belief in paranormal activity is a brain function." attributing it to dopamine.


Does that mean that by flooding an ''average'' specimen of humanity with a wave of dopamine, their chances of experiencing a supernatural event are signifcantly increased due to a state of altered perception engendered by a dramatic change in the body's chemical balance?   Thanks.
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: jordyn on January 09, 2009, 07:39:38 AM
very potentially, we already see large amounts of people finding ways to natural highs, manipulating their body with terror, pain or other extreme interests, exercise  is perhaps the safest practice that releases the most chemicals...but can also be addictive.

http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sigtrans;2005/295/tw277 (http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sigtrans;2005/295/tw277)

messing with the dopamine in rats is demonstrating how serious abnormal amounts of any sort of chemical can seriously alter a person's perception, ask any druggie.

Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: Mr. Kreepy on January 11, 2009, 12:37:42 AM
Great thread, jordyn.
I've thought for quite awhile now that religion is a drug for most people. They get a taste, and as soon as that rush happens in their brain they want more. Explains the extreme veracity of new converts.
What I'd like to know is why this connection between dopamine levels and the paranormal exists.
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: jordyn on January 11, 2009, 02:05:04 PM
maybe it stimulates a brain to resonate at a level that allows them to tap into other, waves?

isn't there the theta state or something like that that's even deeper than the dream state that hypnotists play with, who knows what lurks there?

sorta like rollover minutes, spilling into the companion lines allowing certain users way more than 1000 shared minutes. ;)
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: Loki on January 11, 2009, 02:23:35 PM
Actually, when Marx said that "Religion is people's opium", he meant that religion help poor people (remain blind) to endure their s**tty lifes as slaves.

I think you would better take a look at the trance phenomenon (notably with the souffis and the haitian voodoo). That is really a chemical/energetic reaction at a high level that can boost the individual (strengh, clairvoyance, channeling) beyond normal.
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: Nina on January 11, 2009, 02:39:44 PM
True. Could that be related with rhythm and frequencies? It is proven that with those you can change DNA sequence.... then why wouldnt it be possible that through rhythm based trance we can reach higher levels, same as with drug? Example, go into any church and just listen to the choir, it will affect your body. And even soul, cause she is inside it, of course.

Dance heals. Blame my dopamine! lol
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: blow_fly on January 11, 2009, 11:50:56 PM
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It is proven that with those you can change DNA sequence....

Are you saying that exposure to certain rhythms and frequencies can actually alter a person's DNA sequence? Thanks.
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: Nina on January 12, 2009, 01:31:59 AM
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It is proven that with those you can change DNA sequence....

Are you saying that exposure to certain rhythms and frequencies can actually alter a person's DNA sequence? Thanks.

Yes, I have that article somewhere, gimme some time to dig it up. Western scientists do that by cutting the DNA, and Russian scientist found out that they can alter it any way they want by using the right WORDS (yes, plain words) in right frequency... very interesting stuff. They succeeded to change reptilian embrio DNA into other form of reptilian... cant remember which one for sure....


Yes!!! Found it!

Spirituality and Science: DNA is influneced by words and frequencies

The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), the mind�s influence on weather patterns and much more.


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Spiritual Science: DNA is influneced by words and frequencies
By Grazyna Fosar and Franz Bludorf


DNA Can Be Influenced And Reprogrammed By Words And Frequencies Russian DNA Discoveries

The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), the mind�s influence on weather patterns and much more.

In addition, there is evidence for a whole new type of medicine in which DNA can be influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies WITHOUT cutting out and replacing single genes.

Only 10% of our DNA is being used for building proteins. It is this subset of DNA that is of interest to western researchers and is being examined and categorized. The other 90% are considered "junk DNA. The Russian researchers, however, convinced that nature was not dumb, joined linguists and geneticists in a venture to explore those 90% of "junk DNA". Their results, findings and conclusions are simply revolutionary!

According to them, our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also serves as data storage and communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code, especially in the apparently useless 90%, follows the same rules as all our human languages. To this end they compared the rules of syntax (the way in which words are put together to form phrases and sentences), semantics (the study of meaning in language forms) and the basic rules of grammar.

They found that the alkalines of our DNA follow regular grammar and do have set rules just like our languages. So human languages did not appear coincidentally but are a reflection of our inherent DNA.

The Russian biophysicist and molecular biologist Pjotr Garjajev and his colleagues also explored the vibrational behavior of the DNA.

The bottom line was:
"Living chromosomes function just like solitonic/holographic computers using the endogenous DNA laser radiation."

This means that they managed, for example, to modulate certain frequency patterns onto a laser ray and with it influenced the DNA frequency and thus the genetic information itself. Since the basic structure of DNA-alkaline pairs and of language (as explained earlier) are of the same structure, no DNA decoding is necessary. One can simply use words and sentences of the human language!

This, too, was experimentally proven! Living DNA substance (in living tissue, not in vitro) will always react to language-modulated laser rays and even to radio waves, if the proper frequencies are being used. This finally and scientifically explains why affirmations, autogenous training, hypnosis and the like can have such strong effects on humans and their bodies. It is entirely normal and natural for our DNA to react to language. While western researcher cut single genes from the DNA strands and insert them elsewhere, the Russians enthusiastically worked on devices that can influence the cellular metabolism through suitable modulated radio and light frequencies and thus repair genetic defects.

Garjajev�s research group succeeded in proving that with this method chromosomes damaged by x-rays for example can be repaired. They even captured information patterns of a particular DNA and transmitted it onto another, thus reprogramming cells to another genome. So they successfully transformed, for example, frog embryos to salamander embryos simply by transmitting the DNA information patterns!

This way the entire information was transmitted without any of the side effects or disharmonies encountered when cutting out and re-introducing single genes from the DNA. This represents an unbelievable, world-transforming revolution and sensation! All this by simply applying vibration and language instead of the archaic cutting-out procedure! This experiment points to the immense power of wave genetics, which obviously has a greater influence on the formation of organisms than the biochemical processes of alkaline sequences.

Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained. Of course the frequency has to be correct. And this is why not everybody is equally successful or can do it with always the same strength. The individual person must work on the inner processes and maturity in order to establish a conscious communication with the DNA. The Russian researchers work on a method that is not dependent on these factors but will ALWAYS work, provided one uses the correct frequency.


rest of the article at: http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Spirituality_and_Science/id/4161 (http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Spirituality_and_Science/id/4161)
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: blow_fly on January 13, 2009, 07:47:56 AM
I didn't finish reaing the entire article, but what I did read was certainly fascinating stuff. If DNA does indeed operate by the same rules as language,  thereby allowing the information encoded in a particular genome to be grafted onto another, then it might be possible to enhance the pysical and mental attributes of a somewhat defective individual by transferring a certain set of genomes associated with a particularly desirable trait from one subject to another.   
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: Nina on January 13, 2009, 07:54:51 AM
It could be also possible, yes. But, what fascinates me, is that now we see that prayers (be it Hail Mary or any other mantra) have real influence on our DNA, due to resonant sound they make when people are praying out loud.
Title: Re: blame my dopamine!
Post by: Ryobi on January 19, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Heres the history of medicinal science.
       "I have a sore throat."
       2000 BC : "eat this root"
       1200 AD : "That root is heathen, say this prayer."
       1500 AD : "That prayer is superstition, drink this elixir."
       1800 AD : "That elixir is snake oil, take this pill."
       1900 AD : "That pill is ineffective, take this antibiotic."
       2000 AD : "That antibiotic is artificial, why dont you eat this root."
       2009 AD : "That root is ineffective, here say this prayer."

Except that prayer changes DNA while dopamine is being flushed through your brain... or did I miss something?