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Monstrous Café => Monstrous Events => Topic started by: prezhorusin04 on October 29, 2006, 11:25:10 PM
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Interesting, since the Phoenicians/Nordic/Celts were the primary founders of the early Germanic tribes, such as the Gauls and Visigoths.
Germans claim they 'invented' Halloween
October 27 2006 at 08:47AM
By Ernest Gill
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=qw1161929520757B265
Hamburg - Forget all those books that say the Irish invented Halloween and that Irish-Americans popularised it in the 20th Century.
Experts in Germany say Halloween was invented by witches in the Black Forest of Germany.
Be that as it may, law-enforcement authorities in Germany are alarmed at a dramatic increase in vandalism and lawless carousing on October 31 by young Germans who are attempting to re-enact scenes from Hollywood movies depicting Trick-'r'-Treat antics.
The claim that Black Forest witches invented Halloween comes from historians in the small towns of Hausach and Gutach near Freiburg, deep in the Black Forest in south-western Germany.
"For centuries, long before the Americans ever came up with Halloween, wise women in the Black Forest were dispelling evil spirits at the autumn harvest by carving gourds and putting candles in them," says Dieter Kauss, head of the Vogtsbauernhof Open Air Museum.
The museum, which recreates a traditional, pre-industrial Black Forest village, complete with thatched-roof cottages and barnyards, is conducting special Halloween weekend workshops and fairs to teach young Germans about the "real" Halloween that is part of their own historical tradition.
"People here didn't call it 'Halloween' of course, they called it 'Ruebengeisterschnitzen' which means 'gourd-ghost-carving'," says Kauss. The weekend fun fairs will teach German children how to carve their own traditional Black Forest gourds and pumpkins.
"Afterwards, we'll have a lighted pumpkin procession to the top of the hill overlooking the model village where the children will be told the real story of Halloween as it was practised by the ancient Celts right here in the Black Forest," he says.
Germans are discovering Halloween as never before, and the nation's retailers hope this imported Irish-American holiday can help spook Germany out of economic doldrums.
Long-forgotten in Europe, the ancient Celtic holiday has become trendy among post-unification Germans. Thanks largely to American movies and TV shows, young Germans are intrigued by images of costumed Trick-'r'-Treaters going door-to-door in search of sweets.
A decade ago, few people in Germany had heard of Jack-o'-Lanterns. Now they grin madly from store windows throughout the country as shoppers buy decorations and costumes for their own Halloween parties.
"Halloween has achieved cult status among young Germans," says Dieter Tschorn, head of the German Toy and Novelty Retailers Association.
Law-enforcement authorities have reported an alarming surge in Halloween-related vandalism in recent years in Germany. For the elderly, wholly unacquainted with Trick-'r'-Treating, the sight of weirdly dressed children congregating outside their doorsteps at dusk is unsettling.
Things got so bad in Hamburg last year that the police have issued a public alert to the hazards of Halloween.
"in 2005 one elderly woman opened her front door and fainted dead away and injured herself and required medical assistance," says a police spokesman in suburban Bad Segeberg. "Our switchboards light up with calls from old folks who are freaked out by roving gangs of children demanding sweets and threatening retribution."
Shaving cream and marmalade increasingly is smeared on doors of homes where residents turn away youthful Trick-'r'-Treaters. Older youths often resort to alcohol-induced vandalism and attacks on passersby.
"Two people, a woman and her daughter, suffered burns when they were pelted with fireworks by teenagers on Halloween," says the suburban Hamburg police spokesperson
"People are especially confused because Halloween is not a traditional German custom," he says.
But he obviously hasn't heard of the Black Forest tradition of Ruebengeisterschnitzen. - Sapa-dpa
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I know that there are a lot of americans here on board, and I dont want to offend nobody, but, you have to be well aware that your country is only like 400 years old, and you all came from Europe and other old parts of world, and you took the customs and old believes with you to the new world. I know that this maybe uppseting you, but it is the truth, you already had all that when you left the old continent.
What you americans did to Halloween was nothing more than comercialize all that and make the biggest money maker (along with the red Santa that Coca-cola invented)...
I dont know why its so hard for some of you guys to admit the importance of the old world. Its not that you met all teh fairytale creatures when you got to teh promised land, you already had all that from your old home.
And Im sure that many of you dont really know the full lineage of ancestors. I know that I dont. Or am I wrong?
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I'd be in agreement with you Nina. And that goes for the passing of mythology, political functions as well as religious customes and beliefs. All formally originating around a point about 10,000 years ago.
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St. Patricks Day.
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I know that there are a lot of americans here on board, and I dont want to offend nobody, but, you have to be well aware that your country is only like 400 years old
230 years, actually. Before that it was nothing but various colonial extensions of Europe, and prior to that an ancient wilderness where many people lived and thrived until the white man came and said, "Gee, what a great place God has given us, now we just have to drive off all these heathens..."
you all came from Europe and other old parts of world, and you took the customs and old believes with you to the new world. I know that this maybe uppseting you, but it is the truth, you already had all that when you left the old continent.
I don't recall anything in the original post contesting this point, Nina.
I dont know why its so hard for some of you guys to admit the importance of the old world. Its not that you met all teh fairytale creatures when you got to teh promised land, you already had all that from your old home.
Uh huh...preaching to the choir...
And Im sure that many of you dont really know the full lineage of ancestors. I know that I dont. Or am I wrong?
Don't really know, and don't really care. I am not defined by my ancestry, but rather by my own merits.
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St. Patricks Day.
I heard a great quote on TV the other day (concerning the Chicago River, which is rather disgusting to look at):
"Every year they dye the river green for St. Patrick's Day. Why can't they dye it blue the other 364 days?" *<:)
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230 years, actually. Before that it was nothing but various colonial extensions of Europe, and prior to that an ancient wilderness where many people lived and thrived until the white man came and said, "Gee, what a great place God has given us, now we just have to drive off all these heathens..."
Nothing to add on this
I don't recall anything in the original post contesting this point, Nina.
ok, but you posted something, when you post anything be prepared to get various responds
Uh huh...preaching to the choir...
sometimes I feel the urge to do so, if you have a problem with that, then you shouldnt post anything that could be missunderstood for political statment, and when you say that some country said something about the other, you coul expect that
Don't really know, and don't really care. I am not defined by my ancestry, but rather by my own merits.
True, and you just made my point, thank you
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But who the hell invented Christmas ???
This is even a bigger commercial feast !!!
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But who the hell invented Christmas ???
This is even a bigger commercial feast !!!
Church, and the mob of Vatican, to make old pagan Holy days forgoten... they just substituted old Roman time of Saturnalys with the new Holy day.
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But who the hell invented Christmas ???
This is even a bigger commercial feast !!!
Church, and the mob of Vatican, to make old pagan Holy days forgoten... they just substituted old Roman time of Saturnalys with the new Holy day.
Well that's not 100% accurate. They picked Dec. 25 for that reason but the hoilday itself ORIGINALLY was to celebrate the birth of our saviour. Unfortunately, as Loki so aptly stated, it has turned into a commercial feast. I go out of my way to over explain the reason for the season to my kids for just that reason. We read the Christmas Story out of the book of Luke too. It's very depressing to see how we (Christians) have let the corporations of the world take this special day, the day that represents the Gift that God has given us, and turned it into "Daddy buy me that!" and "Mommy get me this!".
Thanks for bumming me out J/K
ZRY
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Why do you need to celebrate your Lords birthday (Though, he wasnt even born in December)? Did they ever celebrate it in the Bible?
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Why do you need to celebrate your Lords birthday (Though, he wasnt even born in December)? Did they ever celebrate it in the Bible?
Why does something have to be written in the Bible before it can be done?
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I'm American and i have no problem saying we are not an original country.
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Well that's not 100% accurate. They picked Dec. 25 for that reason but the hoilday itself ORIGINALLY was to celebrate the birth of our saviour.
Holiday is originally invented by church, and by nothing else. Before Christ there were many "gods" who died on cross and were born by virgin mother, but CHURCH brainwashed all, and it a sin to even question yourself.
<^> *burn witch, buuuuurn!!!* <^>
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I am curious. name one.
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Just one? Ok.... Tamuz :roll:
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I'll need much more info than just that. :x
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Dont expect that Ill do your job :-D , if you wanna know something search for it. I am not a worthy teacher :x :oops:
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Ah well, there go my hopes.
:lol:
but just so you know i think you know alot.
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You are playing on my ego card ... :-o
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if your ego is any indication of the size of the card. it would be a poster
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Hi hi, it sure would :-D :-*
but it took years of training, young one!
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Well that's not 100% accurate. They picked Dec. 25 for that reason but the hoilday itself ORIGINALLY was to celebrate the birth of our saviour.
Holiday is originally invented by church, and by nothing else. Before Christ there were many "gods" who died on cross and were born by virgin mother, but CHURCH brainwashed all, and it a sin to even question yourself.
<^> *burn witch, buuuuurn!!!* <^>
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that a virgin getting pregnant by gods was an pagan idea, which I read in my last year's notes about facts, mistakes and flaws that can be found in the bible.
Ok, you can throw tomatoes at me now, I waiting.
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*catches the toMAHtooos and eats them like little chillies*
BUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRBNNNNNNNNNNN!!! <^>
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pagan is the word, yes..... 8-)
Raz, enjoy your tomatoes, you are next! :evil:
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*catches the toMAHtooos and eats them like little chillies*
BUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRBNNNNNNNNNNN!!! <^>
Thanks alot lol that was a close one
Raz, enjoy your tomatoes, you are next! :evil:
Leave some for me too, ok? lol just joking. *<:)
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St. Patrick's Day as well as Valentine's Day were originally Christian Saint Days that have since been commercialized. December 25 was chosen because of it's proximity to the Winter Solstice during which the pagan God is born to the Maiden form of the Goddess. Pagans invented Halloween, regardless of where they were geographically. The Christian church did in fact choose the dates for many of their festivals based on the timing of the pagans since it was easier to get people to convert which is why many symbols seem to overlap. One of the best examples is Easter which is known to wiccans as Ostara or Eostra & is a time of rebirth & fertility which is symbolized by pagans using eggs & rabbits.
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I know that there are a lot of americans here on board, and I dont want to offend nobody, but, you have to be well aware that your country is only like 400 years old, and you all came from Europe and other old parts of world, and you took the customs and old believes with you to the new world. I know that this maybe uppseting you, but it is the truth, you already had all that when you left the old continent.
What you americans did to Halloween was nothing more than comercialize all that and make the biggest money maker (along with the red Santa that Coca-cola invented)...
I dont know why its so hard for some of you guys to admit the importance of the old world. Its not that you met all teh fairytale creatures when you got to teh promised land, you already had all that from your old home.
And Im sure that many of you dont really know the full lineage of ancestors. I know that I dont. Or am I wrong?
Not all of us are this way. I have no need for such stupid things and I am pretty much stuck in the beliefs and realm of my ancestry (arrogant Irish bastards they they were :lol:) Actually tracing my lineage has been rather exciting. It takes a while but I have been able to go back quite far. No kings or lords or cool stuff like that though lol. But yeah I agree with you, Nina americans are all a bunch of powder puff sissies that look at the world through rose colored glasses and hear only the poisonous words of their failed leaders.
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Irish, ey? Cool! I planed to go to Ireland some couple of years ago, strange how my people are so connected with Irish and every Irish who came here or met my poeple say we are very much alike, maybe it has something to do with celt tribes that were all around Europe... anyways, what I wanted to say is that I know its not all Americans are like that, but unfortunately, many times I got proof of their ignorance, and sometimes it offends other people, cause it seems like some of you think you are the oldest and smartest in the world, when my old grannys house is older than your country.... that makes me kind of mad.... but that is only your leaders fault, and not peoples.... I know that ordinary people in USA have bigger issues than stupid terrorist fraud, so I kind of feel sorry for you, cause your government spends more money on killing strangers in foreign lands, that they spend on education and health in own country. That is really sad..... I also know that the figure of non literate people in USA reaches almost 30% which is a shame, and to see the number of homeless and poor is devastating....
I hope you people will get the thing in your hands, same as you did in ´70. Power to the people!!!!
I hope Loki wont be mad at me for this post, he warned me not to be rude to Americans.... so I really hope I wasnt... or was I?
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Irish, ey? Cool! I planed to go to Ireland some couple of years ago, strange how my people are so connected with Irish and every Irish who came here or met my poeple say we are very much alike, maybe it has something to do with celt tribes that were all around Europe... anyways, what I wanted to say is that I know its not all Americans are like that, but unfortunately, many times I got proof of their ignorance, and sometimes it offends other people, cause it seems like some of you think you are the oldest and smartest in the world, when my old grannys house is older than your country.... that makes me kind of mad.... but that is only your leaders fault, and not peoples.... I know that ordinary people in USA have bigger issues than stupid terrorist fraud, so I kind of feel sorry for you, cause your government spends more money on killing strangers in foreign lands, that they spend on education and health in own country. That is really sad..... I also know that the figure of non literate people in USA reaches almost 30% which is a shame, and to see the number of homeless and poor is devastating....
I hope you people will get the thing in your hands, same as you did in ´70. Power to the people!!!!
I hope Loki wont be mad at me for this post, he warned me not to be rude to Americans.... so I really hope I wasnt... or was I?
Nah you weren't, not only is it true (because this doesn't go to ALL of them) but you're speaking your mind as well. There is some truth in it, the cause is really most of the time its leader, not the people... unless if the people wants the leader to stay. One part was supporting Bush for the wars, likewise another percentage didn't. (Yes, this discussing was already taking long to reach the president.) So there is no way saying that ALL have issues.
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I know that there are a lot of americans here on board, and I dont want to offend nobody, but, you have to be well aware that your country is only like 400 years old, and you all came from Europe and other old parts of world, and you took the customs and old believes with you to the new world. I know that this maybe uppseting you, but it is the truth, you already had all that when you left the old continent.
What you americans did to Halloween was nothing more than comercialize all that and make the biggest money maker (along with the red Santa that Coca-cola invented)...
I dont know why its so hard for some of you guys to admit the importance of the old world. Its not that you met all teh fairytale creatures when you got to teh promised land, you already had all that from your old home.
And Im sure that many of you dont really know the full lineage of ancestors. I know that I dont. Or am I wrong?
Agreed.