[Kadesh]

 I'd have to give Raz at least an 8... he's honest at least. As for everyone else.. I really only know Mo... and I'd honestly have to give him a 13.

[Ryobi]

I'd have to give Raz at least an 8... he's honest at least. As for everyone else.. I really only know Mo... and I'd honestly have to give him a 13.

That's true... he is honest. Too honest to be a gentleman.

Ah my dear, honesty is the best policy but justice hurts like a lady.

[Kadesh]

 It all depends on your definition of 'gentlemen'. 

[Muerte]

  According to societies veiw I would prolly rate a -3, off of Ryobi's, well, hell, I just don't know, but I what can tell you is that everyone can expect complete a brutal honesty from me.  Hell I make people cry in public because I can never stand by and not point out the obvious to others.  A good dose of reality never killed anybody, but it hurts like a lady if you're not used to it.  No boasting, just the truth.  Hell, the wife would rather shop alone than with me because I share my opinions to freely as it is.

[Kadesh]

 It hasn't killed me so far and my bf delivers it just as straight. He's not mean or malicious, just bluntly honest. It's a good thing, but it can be hard to take sometimes. He's no help shopping though... gets too bored, lol. On the gentleman scale... I don't know what I'd rate him, but I don't give a shyte because he's perfect for me.

[Muerte]

It hasn't killed me so far and my bf delivers it just as straight. He's not mean or malicious, just bluntly honest. It's a good thing, but it can be hard to take sometimes. He's no help shopping though... gets too bored, lol. On the gentleman scale... I don't know what I'd rate him, but I don't give a shyte because he's perfect for me.

  Now thats almost a perfect answer when dealing with your better half, complimenting while staying just shy of being neutral.  Kadesh, tell the truth and shame the Devil?

[Kadesh]

  Kadesh, tell the truth and shame the Devil?

 I'm not sure what you mean by that, Muerte......

[onishadowolf]

It's an old saying, meaning to tell the truth of things, things that the devil wouldn't want to hear or be known.

Don't quote me on that though.

[Kadesh]

 Ah... I see. Truth is truth. Sometimes there's a way to soften the blow, but in the end, I want the truth no matter what. And in that case... the Devil better watch his @ss... I'm not going to hold back just because of who someone is or thinks they are.

[onishadowolf]

Excellent, you got it. My post after rereading it didn't make any sense(well to me it made sense), but somebody got it. So, yay!!

[Kadesh]

 Never fear, it made perfect sense. 

[Muerte]

  Tell the truth and shame the devil. 

  The devil is the father of lies (or so the church would have us believe, but they do a pretty good job themselves don't they) so to tell the truth would cause him shame or grief, yes Oni my freind, you are correct.

[Kadesh]

 The church has perfected the art of lying and "do as I say, not as I do."

[Muerte]

The church has perfected the art of lying and "do as I say, not as I do."

  I know this all too well, and it saddens me.  I'll not get anymore involved in this subject here, as I am already embroiled in it else where, but I will say this.  It hurts me to see what religion has become.