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Faeries, The Fay & The Hidden => Faeries & The Fay => Topic started by: the keeper on July 05, 2006, 10:26:15 am

Title: unseelie
Post by: the keeper on July 05, 2006, 10:26:15 am
why r these fay considered to be evil?
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 05, 2006, 12:39:30 pm
The Unseelie are considered evil because of the the chaos the bring where ever they go, they kidnap children and other humans for slaves or other purposes, all that and they choose the name Unseelie Court which meens Unholy Court.  :wink:
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Bloody Angel on July 05, 2006, 12:48:17 pm
The Unseelie are considered evil because of the the chaos the bring where ever they go, they kidnap children and other humans for slaves or other purposes, all that and they choose the name Unseelie Court which meens Unholy Court.  :wink:


Yet kidnapping humans to take them as lovers was not considered evil, by fairy standards.
More then evil I think they were outkasts. As the sluagh, the fairy host, used to be part of the Seelie Court until they started acting as "outlaws".

Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 05, 2006, 01:01:12 pm
I see the Unseelie and Seelie as Yin and Yang, Good and Evil. And from some of the kidnapping I've heard done by the Unseelie makes me know they are evil. Mating humans with faeries to keep some of the races going. The Sluagh from what I have read would never have been an outcast from the Seelie, the Sluagh of the Unseelie are sometimes thought to be the souls of dead sinners and took the form of swarms of black birds and tried to steal the soul of dieing mortals to do whatever they chose fit. That does not sound like something the Seelie Court would allow in the first place...  :roll:
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Phantom X on July 05, 2006, 01:19:46 pm
Where do I sign up to keep the race going?

~Phantom
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 05, 2006, 01:25:35 pm
Are you being sarcastic? Because if your not I'll go ask 'em if they still want to survive.  :-D
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Phantom X on July 05, 2006, 01:32:53 pm
Anything that comes from my mouth is either sarcasm or fact, you'll learn that soon enough.
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 05, 2006, 01:59:59 pm
I knew that, I was just playing with you.  :focus:
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: the keeper on July 06, 2006, 04:13:40 pm
but still i do not see that as evil if i were in their place ad probably do the same thing ifrom what i here i beleive t is the seelie that is evil i mean would you join someone who wants to save your race or join someone who is too stubborn or stuck up to save your race?
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 06, 2006, 04:32:07 pm
The Seelies protect everyone, they help humans, animals and other Fay, but the Unseelie appose them, and they think of them as evil as I see it, but thats from what I know, someone will probably tell I'm wrong.  *<:)
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 07, 2006, 07:20:16 pm
After walking about the internet I stumbled apon this.

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The Scottish Unsellie Court contains the most malicious, malevolent and evil of the faeries, and a number of monsters of horrible appearance and fearsome abilities as well. It is one of the only groups of faeries which is known for being thouroughly evil without exception. Every night around twilight, a group know as 'The Host' emerge and carry off any mortals which they find. The unfortunates who are brought back to their realm are rarely heard from again.
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Bloody Angel on July 08, 2006, 09:31:55 am
quote]The Scottish Unsellie Court contains the most malicious, malevolent and evil of the faeries, and a number of monsters of horrible appearance and fearsome abilities as well. It is one of the only groups of faeries which is known for being thouroughly evil without exception. Every night around twilight, a group know as 'The Host' emerge and carry off any mortals which they find. The unfortunates who are brought back to their realm are rarely heard from again.
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Packing... ehm, not... trying to make my point... I casually stumbled upon the followings:
"In contrast the Unseelie Coourt, also referred to as the Sluagh or Host, were considered to be the unblessed dead or those who had been cast from the Seelie Court, for misdemeanours (though not for kidnapping mortal lovers, which was acceptable in fairy morality)".
Source: A coumplete Guide to Faeries & Magical Beings by Cassandra Eason, ISBN (just in case) 1578632676.
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 08, 2006, 12:00:56 pm
Well, we may never know... We cannot just rely on book sources and other websites, because most mortals having contact were never heard from again for best or worse. So we probably won't find out if they are pure evil or just bad. :-(
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: the keeper on July 11, 2006, 08:05:38 pm
from the history that i had read the seelies and unseelie are faeries of course and the faeries are long "dead"  though they never truely died they changed more into a spirit not by death but by choice. choice because they were driven away from the mortal realm. from the history ive read the last seelies seen were killed by i beleive julius ceaser im not quite sure thats who but it was another general from the same era. i beleive the unseelie took vengence and because of a maliciase act of killing mortals they were casted out. but thats my oppinion. and if its true, revenge is sweet and i support them for what they did. if anyone remembers the story of the beuty  and the beast. they should remember that the true beuty is the beast the imperfection, the soul not the man.
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 12, 2006, 06:23:08 am
Thats interesting... Where did you read this? I've done much research on them and have never heard this. I'm not one for Roman histroy, but I don't think that Caesar's empire ever reached Scotland... And the Seelie and Unseelie are Scottish so it would meen that Caesar's men never could have killed the Seelie meening the Unseelie would never take revenge... Plus they would have to get past Britian!

Here's a picture of the Roman Empire

(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/art/roman.gif)
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 12, 2006, 06:37:33 am
The only Celtic roots I can find connected to Caesar was this. .:.Quoted from Encyclopedia of the Celts.:.

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VERCINGETORIX

Celtic chief who was defeated by Caesar and send to Rome where he was imprisoned for six years and finally, under Caesar's triumph, was killed. # 396 - 562

Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Devious Viper on July 12, 2006, 07:20:16 am
Your map is of the Roman Empire during the lifetime of Jesus Christ. For its fullest extent, see this map:

http://wps.ablongman.com/wps/media/objects/262/268312/art/figures/KISH106.jpg

At the time of the Roman occupation of Britain, there were no Scots, they were Picts. Caesar was responsible for the slaughtering of the Druids, whose last stand so to speak was at Anglesey. He was determined to destroy them as he believed that would weaken the resolve of the Celtic people as a whole. 
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 12, 2006, 07:21:34 am
Still, I have searched the web and can find nothing of Caesar and the Two Courts.
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Devious Viper on July 12, 2006, 07:23:49 am
Vercingetorix was a Gaul, from France.

For a summarised time-line, read this:

http://romans-in-britain.org.uk/his_timeline_roman_britain.htm
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Devious Viper on July 12, 2006, 07:26:40 am
The events were hundreds of years apart. The two courts was not a part of the folklore at the time.
Title: Re: unseelie
Post by: Dark Lord M on July 12, 2006, 07:45:25 am
Okay, it was the Encyclopedia of the Celts they had information wrong?  :|

Anyway, he also said that the Two Courts and Faeries have taken their leave of our lands because of us stop believing in them. But that’s not true; people still see them and Faeries as long as we believe in them they will stay. Monstrous Faery section says that they have left Scotland, but that does not mean they have moved somewhere else... Every living thing’s major thought is to survive wherever they can, in our world or theirs. So they could have moved to other parts of the world. From what I understand Faeries need us to believe in them so they can stay in this world so that is why people still see them so that Faeries may coexist with us. But from what many folklorists believe (and so do I...) That the Twilight Realm and Earths ties are beginning to thin and that may be another reason why we don't see them as much. And I think soon the bind between the two worlds will brake once technology will take over and humans will only depend on it and everyone will forget the beliefs of old and Science Fiction will rule the minds of fiction... People will forget of the Wee Folk who spoiled our milk and stole our horses, and that is when they will truly take leave of us. So I must disagree with him saying that they have truly left us. They are still among us for now, just for now…

I put a lot of emotion into that post, and I that is what I truly believe and you can’t change my mind with links or books. Sorry guys and gals, Michael’s thoughts. ;)