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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2011, 01:16:23 PM »
Hah, One day. ONE day is all we need. Every Human, connected to Every Human.

I think we'd all learn something, then.
Or, something would happen within the Cosmos and we'd implode.
If at the very least we could get people to feel the pain they inflict on others, emotional and physical, then maybe things could get better.

I've posted this elsewhere, but it's worth watching here, now, in this conversation. The comments from the 1.7 million people who've watched it are uplifting, too. I know he quotes the gospel of Luke at one point, but the words he chose have meaning - "heaven" is something that is WITHIN us....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo

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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2011, 01:22:40 PM »
It's a pretty good speech, but tells me nothing that I don't already know. I know we will eventually reach a point of harmony, but I also know that to get to that point we need to teach it to others. I do, I teach my nephews (and maybe one day my children, if by some accident I have them lol) to be better people. The friends around me respect my views as I do theirs, and some that have become our friends have become what I would consider better people. And yeah, a lot of today's technology was made to help people, but it is turned in to something of war and violence.

Anyways, before I go on and on I'll stop.
"Intelligence is the flower of discrimination. There are many examples of the flower blooming but not bearing fruit."

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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2011, 01:26:22 PM »
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It sucks, but it's a way people deal.

Cause they dont know of any other way. Program. (take the right pill and awake to the Matrix?  :roll: )

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Hah, One day. ONE day is all we need. Every Human, connected to Every Human.

But we ARE connected. All is One.

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But I love mankind more now than I ever did when I was a "believer."

The way I see it, if one is "bounded" by Religion it stops him from seeing the bigger picture. And sure, it works awesome for most, cause it takes the blame somewhere else, and basically makes you feel really small and not really important. But that level of understanding is too low (medieval?) for this Era. Im still trying pretty hard to get Catholicism out of my system. I dont think I will ever be totally out of it.

Also, a program.



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Re: Its the End of the World as we know it! Do you feel fine?
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2011, 01:27:35 PM »
"heaven" is something that is WITHIN us....

My Mother is Christian. In that she believes in Christ, and God, etc etc etc.
But she also believes in the Mother. The Energy, the Spirit the Soul...

Her words have ALWAYS been, "God is Within and Without."
She raised me with the mentality that is in this video.
And I'm raising mine the same way.
"Toleration is the greatest gift of the mind; it requires the same effort of the brain that it takes to balance oneself on a bicycle."

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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2011, 01:30:03 PM »
It's a pretty good speech, but tells me nothing that I don't already know.

It was never written to be educational, it was written to be inspirational. Humanity doesn't need to be told those things, it doesn't need to tell those things. It needs to be inspired and inspire each other to DO those things. Ghaddafi ruled for 40 years, and for every hour of every day the Libyan people knew he needed to go. They didn't need people to tell them why to rise up, they needed to tell each other that they COULD rise up...

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Re: Its the End of the World as we know it! Do you feel fine?
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2011, 02:10:37 PM »
''But we ARE connected. All is One.'' Interesting thought Nina.
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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2011, 04:08:44 AM »
Im still trying pretty hard to get Catholicism out of my system.

I eventually concluded that there was no convincing argument offered by religion to the "problem of evil" or "problem of pain." C.S. Lewis summed up the problem as: "If God were good, He would make His creatures perfectly happy, and if He were almighty He would be able to do what he wished. But the creatures are not happy. Therefore God lacks either goodness, or power, or both." For almost 2000 years theodicy has grappled with the crushing logic that an omnipotent, omniscient being cannot exist at the same time as a world that experiences gratuitous evil, pain and suffering. They can only do this by redefining "goodness" and "happiness," or introducing "freewill" - which is also logically inconsistent with omniscience and omnipotence. Of all the arguments made, the best solution that religion can achieve would be to accept that that "no god, as commonly understood by theists, exists."
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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2011, 04:14:15 AM »
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...as commonly understood by theists...

Hah, and there lies the catch ;)

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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2011, 04:18:45 AM »
As I said, that's the absolute best logical conclusion that they can hope for. But it also means that every concept of their God or gods is wrong, invalidating their belief system.

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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2011, 06:25:44 AM »
As I said, that's the absolute best logical conclusion that they can hope for. But it also means that every concept of their God or gods is wrong, invalidating their belief system.


No, not really. Ever heard of Gnosticism. And no, its not the same as being agnostic, But that is where the word came from.

To keep it short, it states that "God" is only as good as his true nature will allow him to be.

When you say everyones God from every religion, what you actually meen is Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Most other religions dont think their god/gods are perfect. There is often fighting among gods and goddess' from the same religions. Even in one of the "Big 5". Hinduism, have you studied that one yet? 

Im just saying  "Every" is a big word, and it almost never depicts things  corectly.

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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2011, 06:32:02 AM »
no I get more and more jittery the closer we get to 12/21/12 so does my daughter
Tell me over and over again my friend how you dont believe we're on the eve of destruction-Barry Macguire
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2011, 07:11:17 AM »
Hinduism, have you studied that one yet? 

Enough to know that you're painting that with a broad brush. Hinduism is not a religion by formal definition - it has no unified belief system and is more accurately a "religious tradition" made up of multiple schools of thought and philosophies. What specific school do you mean?

The same applies to gnosticism, in that it is more of a philosophy than a doctrine or creed. If it comes down to the absolute bare bones, there is no evidence of any god in any place. No one can offer evidence of a gnostic God, or a Hindu Ishvara, or Zeus, or Thor. Gnosticism is just another mystery tradition with "secrets", no different to 21st century Freemasonry. While my argument at the outset concerned primarily the Abrahamic religions, your answer is a logical fallacy because it is begging the question: it sets out with the proposition that gods can't be disproven by argument on the unproven assumption that they exist in the first place.
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Re: Its the End of the World as we know it! Do you feel fine?
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2011, 07:24:54 AM »
Hah, nice one T ;)

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Re: Its the End of the World as we know it! Do you feel fine?
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2011, 07:25:14 AM »




Hinduism, have you studied that one yet? 

Enough to know that you're painting that with a broad brush. Hinduism is not a religion by formal definition - it has no unified belief system and is more accurately a "religious tradition" made up of multiple schools of thought and philosophies. What specific school do you mean?

The same applies to gnosticism, in that it is more of a philosophy than a doctrine or creed. If it comes down to the absolute bare bones, there is no evidence of any god in any place. No one can offer evidence of a gnostic God, or a Hindu Ishvara, or Zeus, or Thor. Gnosticism is just another mystery tradition with "secrets", no different to 21st century Freemasonry. While my argument at the outset concerned primarily the Abrahamic religions, your answer is a logical fallacy because it is begging the question: it sets out with the proposition that gods can't be disproven by argument on the unproven assumption that they exist in the first place.



Hinduism IS a religion wheather it fits your definition of a religion or not, so is Gnostisism. Budism on the other hand...well... that ones up for grabs.

I have no desire to debate wheather or not there is a god.
But it is a fact that many gods are worshiped and not all of them fits into this "every"


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