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Title: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: ImmortalKain on June 06, 2008, 08:05:43 AM
This actually does deal with dinosaurs if you keep reading on it, thats why I posted it here. Also this reinforces what I have always said about looking to the peoples of the past for answers to many things because they were not supressed and manipulated by powerful governments or corrupted media (well, not the really old ones anyway  :wink: ) The fact that these ancient cultures knew of dinosaurs and saw living ones thousands of years ago is astonishing especially since the modern world didn't know of them till around 175 years ago...hmm.......Anywho here is the link I promised.
http://www.viewzone.com/dinostone.ica.html (http://www.viewzone.com/dinostone.ica.html)
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 17, 2008, 10:59:06 PM
 I've always said that. As unlikely as it sounds, we're supposed to have the higher intellect here. So why couldn't humans find a way to live wih the dinosaurs? ....... but..... and here's where how I was raised comes into play......... any thoughts on their current extinction (for the most part)?? How.. when... why?
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 18, 2008, 01:11:07 AM
Glad you brought that up. The climate of the earth has been changing steadily over the years as we know but it has been shifting for a very long time, not just some recent occurence. This shift has slowly made it harder for the dinosaurs to maintain high enough numbers to survive against the most destructive force in the world: mankind. We can't honestly think ancient man would tolerate massive animals ruling over them. They would destroy any one of them they came across. Look at how many species, who were once in the tens of thousands in number, were wiped out by mankind within a century, never again to be seen on this world. Hmm...see a pattern here? Was there a catastrophic meteor crash in the ancient past? Probally. There has been too many signs for there not to have been one. Did it completely wipe out the dinosaurs? Doubt it. All creatures have the ability to adapt and overcome, and were it not for the presence of man, they might have been able to ride that one out. And yes there a re still a few left scattered here and there but I suspect in a last vain attempt at survival they have drastically reduced in size to avoid detection by humans. I suspect that the rise of the first civilizations coupled with the rise in larger mammals and a drop in the earths temperature reduced their number to almost nonexistent levels. And it makes sense that the ones most commonly seen are plant eaters since they could survive undetected easier than a meat eater who had to roam and hunt for its food.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 18, 2008, 11:55:26 PM
The K-T Event was more than enough to wipe out the majority of life on earth.
The only reason birds, small reptiles, mammals, and sea-living critters didn't die out is because they didn't rely on the strict "prey eats plants, predator eats prey, predator dies and feeds plants" cycle. The smoke from the asteroid that caused the extinction killed many plants, disrupting that whole cycle.
Only those dinosaurs or giant aerial and oceanic reptiles that were in distant, remote locations could have survived, and even those would have most likely been driven to extinciton because of the lack of genetic diversity, climate changes, and the intrusion of the rapidly-evolving mammals and birds.
Any "dinosaur" that still lives today would have to do so in a place that not only could it be safe from that event, but safely breed and evolve for the last several million years. It is no longer a dinosaur, but a new breed of creature descended from such a thing.

And humans, at least on a mass scale, have never, ever, lived amongst dinosaurs. The first little waddling apes that  would become us in millions of years lived several millions years after the death of the dinosaurs.

Seeing as how most things seen during a drug high, generally natural substances such as peyote, yopo, mushrooms, and ayahuasca, are related to genetic racial memory, it isn't much of a stretch to think that visions of giant reptilian beasts originate from the same place.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 19, 2008, 12:58:02 AM
Very interesting ideas. Exactly as is taught in the corrupted school systems these days  :lol: But everyone is entitled to their opinions, I just want to elaborate on one thing you said about the drug induced memories. If we never co-habitated with dinosaurs, then there should be no memory of them, genetic or otherwise. And yet the Incans only a matter of 5000 years ago, were able to make extremely accurate and detailed drawings about creatrures supposedly extinct millions of years before their time. I do agree in the idea of an ancestral memory activated by substances, having experienced this myself, but your ancestors would have had to actually experienced it in order to imprint it on the DNA. And I don't care what you say, little rat creatures did not have the capacity to do such a thing and carry it on in extreme detail. I'm not saying all of them survived in large numbers, but we definitely did walk with them at some point.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 19, 2008, 01:07:43 AM
Very interesting ideas. Exactly as is taught in the corrupted school systems these days  :lol:
I'm happy to see you amuse yourself.

But everyone is entitled to their opinions, I just want to elaborate on one thing you said about the drug induced memories. If we never co-habitated with dinosaurs, then there should be no memory of them, genetic or otherwise. And yet the Incans only a matter of 5000 years ago, were able to make extremely accurate and detailed drawings about creatrures supposedly extinct millions of years before their time.
And I suppose you believe that the prophet Ezekiel really saw 4-headed angels riding wheels that spun in every direction at once, and the Vikings really saw giant warships made of the teeth and fingernails of fallen warriors? Your logic is faulty. 

I do agree in the idea of an ancestral memory activated by substances, having experienced this myself, but your ancestors would have had to actually experienced it in order to imprint it on the DNA. And I don't care what you say, little rat creatures did not have the capacity to do such a thing and carry it on in extreme detail. I'm not saying all of them survived in large numbers, but we definitely did walk with them at some point.
If jellyfish, one of the oldest families of lifeforms on the planet, can be successful predators without the usage of a brain, then rodents could certainly have imprinted certain shapes into their minds.
I do agree with you that humans walked with large creatures of dinosaurian descent at one point in time, but those things weren't dinosaurs. In those millions of millions of years between the K-T Event and any point in time where a human or human ancestor encountered a dinosaur-descendant, evolution was happening. And it would have had to have resulted in something completely removed from the original state.
Also, we may not have encountered dinosaurs, but genetically modern human beings have encountered giant reptiles. The Aboriginal people of Australia encountered enormous monitor lizards, and several species of giant snake and crocodile that are extinct now would have lived alongside and most likely preyed on humans/hominids.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 19, 2008, 08:18:21 AM
Yes I actually do believe alot of those things so  :-P I like to think outside the box and not believe every bit of hogwash man tells me to believe. Don't get me wrong, bandersnach I do value your beliefs and I'm not trying to discredit you or anything so arrogant as that, just stating my own thats all  :-D And  yes I donm't have any proof of these things, maybe never will, but I like to rely alot on faith, so thatsd good enough for me. Besides, its more exciting that the textbook answer  :wink:
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Petling on August 19, 2008, 08:24:33 AM
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In those millions of millions of years between the K-T Event and any point in time where a human or human ancestor encountered a dinosaur-descendant, evolution was happening. And it would have had to have resulted in something completely removed from the original state.
Actually, look at sharks, my info isn't the best, but people keep saying that they hadn't had to evolve for an extremely long time. About the only one who had to was the hammerhead, & that one is still very old. They even say some six gilled sharks are still identical to their ancestors who swam with dinosaurs.

Please correct me if I am wrong. :-P
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 19, 2008, 08:33:58 AM
no you're right. Other than no longer being 50+ feet long, they are mostly unchanged. So I guess humans could have been with smaller versions of the dinosaurs. And if you look at the carvings you can see them riding them like horses, so they would have to be smaller in order to make that feasible
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: TheTerror on August 19, 2008, 11:40:32 AM
I also cannot believe in "ancestral memory" where the little rat-creatures scurrying under the dinosaur's feet passed down the detailed and accurate memory of dinosaurs to our ancestors.....bull@#*t At the most they might produce some warped description of giant animals, but not detailed descriptions, no way. People had to have walked with dinosaurs, if only briefly, before they died out

did'nt latathia say she came at the time of dinosaurs
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 19, 2008, 02:21:40 PM
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In those millions of millions of years between the K-T Event and any point in time where a human or human ancestor encountered a dinosaur-descendant, evolution was happening. And it would have had to have resulted in something completely removed from the original state.
Actually, look at sharks, my info isn't the best, but people keep saying that they hadn't had to evolve for an extremely long time. About the only one who had to was the hammerhead, & that one is still very old. They even say some six gilled sharks are still identical to their ancestors who swam with dinosaurs.

Please correct me if I am wrong. :-P


Yes, but the shark is an apex predator. It has no need to evolve.
Climate change and newly evolved species encroaching on the territory of the "dinosaur" would make it need to evolve or die fast.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 19, 2008, 02:35:20 PM
 First of all.. (Pardon my ignorance or blow me)... What's the K-T Event?

 And I can't say that I believe in evolution of humans from apes to what we are now. Personal belief on that... it's fuk'n bullshyt. If we descinded from apes... why aren't women popping out ape babies? Yeah.. I know.. there are some furry bastards out there, but that doesn't mean anything. If we really came from apes, there would still be traces of that.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 19, 2008, 03:02:55 PM
First of all.. (Pardon my ignorance or blow me)... What's the K-T Event?

 And I can't say that I believe in evolution of humans from apes to what we are now. Personal belief on that... it's fuk'n bullshyt. If we descinded from apes... why aren't women popping out ape babies? Yeah.. I know.. there are some furry bastards out there, but that doesn't mean anything. If we really came from apes, there would still be traces of that.

The K-T Event was an asteroid the size of Mexico being swung out of it's orbit and flying toward Earth. Not a meteor. A FREAKIN' ASTEROID.

The evolution from "apes" into humans has been proven with transitionary fossils many times over.
There are traces left of that. Pinky toes, wisdom teeth, pale skin (young bonobos and chimps have light skin), our upright stature, our ability to metabolize almost any food on the planet (save for grass, but the appendix was used to process bamboo and grass)
The reason women aren't giving birth to ape babies is the same reason, say, your aunt wouldn't be giving birth to you.
Modern apes are our cousins. We don't give birth to apes for the same reason whales don't give birth to carnivorous goats (that's what whales evolved from).
I've been studying genetics and evolutionary theory as a hobby since I was very young, and I can assure you we have more than enough proof to show that we came from apes. Now, who stimulated the rapid evolution, whether it was God guiding the path or apes eating mushrooms that opened new neural pathways, I don't know I don't intend to prove. I like some mystery and there are some things we aren't meant to know.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 19, 2008, 03:06:45 PM
 Bleh... I respect your opnion and your information.......... but I still say it's bullshyt.  *<:)
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Petling on August 19, 2008, 03:44:38 PM
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Modern apes are our cousins. We don't give birth to apes for the same reason whales don't give birth to carnivorous goats (that's what whales evolved from).
Actually it was cows, or are those just the dolphins? :?
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 19, 2008, 03:47:55 PM
 ARGH........... BLEEEEEEEEEEH......................


*<:)
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 19, 2008, 05:10:42 PM
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Modern apes are our cousins. We don't give birth to apes for the same reason whales don't give birth to carnivorous goats (that's what whales evolved from).
Actually it was cows, or are those just the dolphins? :?

No, it wasn't cows. All cetaceans (whales, dolphins, etc) descended from meat-eating creatures with hooves, related to ungulates (the family that includes goats and cows). The closest fossilized non-cetacean relative paleontologists have found of the cetacean family is Andrewsarchus Mongoliensis, which was also the largest mammalian carnivore to ever live on land. It's head took up a third of it's body-length, mostly because of the huge jaws that it evolved to crack open the bones of dead animals and the shells of turtles and shellfish. Though it was the smaller pakicetids that became the whale family. As andrewsarchus' ancestors and close genetic relatives spent more and more time close to the sea, the family line eventually split off into the ambulocetus family, which were basically big furry alligators with webbed toes that swam like otters. This line split off and eventually the line that includes modern whales popped up.

See, evolution isn't like a ladder. It isn't just one being transitioning into another, in a linear progression. It's like a family tree, and because of this all life-forms on earth are related, even going back to plants and bacteria.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Petling on August 19, 2008, 05:26:44 PM
Ah, thanks for the clarification snatch. :-D
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 19, 2008, 07:25:07 PM
Snatch!

*<:)

Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: TheTerror on August 20, 2008, 01:21:25 PM
wow the fact that they found a human foot print with a dino footprint should tell you somthing
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 20, 2008, 04:46:47 PM
 Source?
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: TheTerror on August 20, 2008, 04:51:55 PM
um a book but I don't remember what it was called
um it said that it was from 45millionyrs ago
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 20, 2008, 04:53:37 PM
 Not incredibly reliable then.....  :roll:
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 20, 2008, 05:03:57 PM
wow the fact that they found a human foot print with a dino footprint should tell you somthing

wow the fact thats like imposibel should tell you somthing
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 20, 2008, 06:42:03 PM
 *<:)
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Petling on August 20, 2008, 07:03:53 PM
Hey, be nice guys. :|
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 20, 2008, 07:13:53 PM
You know me, I'm not usually the mean type. Its just the way he said it thats funny  %*)
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: TheTerror on August 21, 2008, 02:43:57 AM
wow the fact that they found a human foot print with a dino footprint should tell you somthing

wow the fact thats like imposibel should tell you somthing
the fact that your an IDOIT should tell you something
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU DUMASS BRIT

---------

Warning sent to the member "TheTerror"
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 21, 2008, 02:48:53 AM
wow the fact that they found a human foot print with a dino footprint should tell you somthing

wow the fact thats like imposibel should tell you somthing
the fact that your an IDOIT should tell you something
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU DUMASS BRIT

Well done. Excellent comeback. You certainly put me in my place.

Where did you get the idea that I'm British though? Have I ever said I am? No, I haven't.
Do you assume I'm British because I talk intelligently?
That would be a pretty ignorant assumption. There are plenty of non-Brittish folks who don't type like 5 year olds and there are plenty of Britons that do.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: TheTerror on August 21, 2008, 02:57:22 AM
nah um I saw somthing you said and it sounded like a word that a british would use
so if you not a brit then what are then if you don't mind me asking
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 21, 2008, 03:06:51 AM
I'm American.
Why?
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: TheTerror on August 21, 2008, 01:10:07 PM
ok I just like to make sure I don't assosiate anyone with another country
sorry if anything is misspelled
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 02:43:56 PM
 Yet again.. the terror of our intelligence has wandered off topic....  :roll:


  :focus: ....... and this time........ can we stay there???


 I would like to know why you say that's impossible, Bander. I've seen it argued that the dinos and humans did live together... what's so impossible about them coexisting?
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 21, 2008, 03:00:24 PM
I would like to know why you say that's impossible, Bander. I've seen it argued that the dinos and humans did live together... what's so impossible about them coexisting?

Because we evolved so long after the dinosaurs lived that it would be impossible for an entire culture or large group of people to encounter true dinosaurs.
As I've said before, though, any dinosaur species that survived the K-T Event and continued to evolve is not a true dinosaur, and I don't doubt there are some valleys or mountains somewhere that are so remote that a dinosaur could continue living, and possibly encounter another human being.

See, dinosaur doesn't just mean any big reptilian thing. Dinosaurs were a certain group of species and families of animals that lived in a certain time. The word "dinosaur" signifies that these creatures all belonged to the family "dinosauria" (or in popular belief, anything related to a dinosaur genetically, like their cousins the Pterosaurs and the various groups of large aquatic reptiles, as well as the ancestors of the dinosaurs) and lived during a certain time period.
Evolution is not static, so any "dinosaur" species still living past the K-T event long enough to encounter humans is not a true dinosaur.
I only said that we never encountered an actual dinosaur. But anything descended from dinosaurs, well, I don't know. Perhaps something survived in some secluded little marsh in Africa, like the Mokele-Mbembe.
And with all the species of prehistoric creature that didn't die from a mass extinction, such as the pterosaurs dying out because of climate change, there's always a chance that a small population learned to adapt and survive into modern times.
But on a whole, dinosaurs lived so much longer before even apes popped their furry little heads up that it's highly unlikely.

Keep in mind there are plenty of strange mythological creatures that come solely from human imagination, and these depicitions of Mayans living alongside things that are vaguely dinosaurian could very well be just mythological creatures.
 
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 03:21:44 PM
 Could it be something else that the Bible mentions then? It mentions dinosaurs somewhere (please forgive my vagueness.. my books are all packed away. :cry: ). Could it be some 'mythical' creature? Even though the Bible is.. hmm... how to put it.. "anti-mythical" LOL. 
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 21, 2008, 05:32:46 PM
The bible mentions the Leviathan which, if you read it closely and think about the symbolism it uses to describe it is either some breed of really large crocodile or a hippo of some kind I think. Most likely a hippo. But some people still believe it talks about a dinosaur and I may be wrong. Supposedly somewhere it talks of a horned horse (unicorn) but I have yet to find that.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 21, 2008, 05:38:28 PM
The bible mentions the Leviathan which, if you read it closely and think about the symbolism it uses to describe it is either some breed of really large crocodile or a hippo of some kind I think. Most likely a hippo. But some people still believe it talks about a dinosaur and I may be wrong. Supposedly somewhere it talks of a horned horse (unicorn) but I have yet to find that.

Leviathan - Nile crocodile. It was the only thing that fed upon the animals that ate the plants in and around the Nile River. Without crocodiles to eat the grazers, the grazers would eat all the plants, and the plant roots would deteriorate, causing the shores of the river to rapidly sink back and the water would disperse, thus making the river worthless as a bringer of life.
Nile crocodiles also have a second palate in the back of their throat that keeps water out while they swim. When they surface and open up this palate, steam comes out of their mouths, looking like fire, thus explaining the description of the leviathan being a fire-breather.

Biblical unicorn - There used to be large wooly rhinos that lived in Mongolia. The had a large, straight horn on the top of their head, in between their eyes. Some survived long enough for some ancient humans to encounter them. Word probably travelled all around the ancient world, because traveling storytellers made quite a living amongst the common people.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 05:42:21 PM
 I'm almost 99% certain the Bible actually says 'dinosaurs'...  :?   DAMMIT I wish I had my books!!!  :gun: :gun: :gun:
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 21, 2008, 05:47:09 PM
I'm almost 99% certain the Bible actually says 'dinosaurs'...  :?   DAMMIT I wish I had my books!!!  :gun: :gun: :gun:

it couldn't possibly say that.
DInosaur is a word that was created within the last 200 hundred years. The bible was written over 2,000 years ago.

Here's an article about the Leviathan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 06:00:39 PM
 It's not the origional Hebrew translation.. it's the KJV.. and who knows what all got screwed up when it was translated. Which is why I take everything it says with a grain of salt. :roll:
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: TheTerror on August 22, 2008, 01:16:25 PM
bible was writen 1830 yrs ago the hebrew was before
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 22, 2008, 01:21:10 PM
Well, the entire collection of writings known as the bible, yes. But the original scrolls were written in Hebrew and some of the newest ones in old roman
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: TheTerror on August 22, 2008, 02:15:13 PM
oh well than
it still was not before the sumareans
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 22, 2008, 02:58:06 PM
oh well than
it still was not before the sumareans

2 thousand years ago was not that long ago, actually.
The Roman Republic was in full gear. The great Sumerian civilization existed considerably more than 2 thousand years ago.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 22, 2008, 02:59:20 PM
oh well than
it still was not before the sumareans


 We weren't talking about the Sumerians. Please try to stay on topic.. :roll:


 I should have went to college and taken those courses like I'd planned... then I'd be able to read the origional and wouldn't have to rely on other people to translate it.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: bandersnatch on August 22, 2008, 03:02:39 PM
Ah yes, I didn't explain myself fully.
I meant, yes, Terror, the actual bible as a collection of writings first popped up about 2 thousand years ago, but many biblical writings, such as that of Noah and the Ark (which dates back to the Sumerians) existed WAYYYYY before then.


I should have went to college and taken those courses like I'd planned... then I'd be able to read the origional and wouldn't have to rely on other people to translate it.

I wish it were that simple. The bible has had so many changes to it, and so few of the original writings exist, that even a Hebrew translation is still as messed up as the modern Western translations.

Now, to :focus:
It just occured to me that this thread talks about the Inca people encountering dinosaurs. I seemed to have it in my head that it was talking about the Mayans.
I have no doubt in my mind that there are plenty of places in the Andes mountain range remote enough to support the continued existence of a dinosaurian creature.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on August 22, 2008, 03:09:51 PM
 All of this based on the wrong people?  *<:) Nice.   :wink:
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Mr. Kreepy on October 15, 2008, 07:01:01 AM
This thread interests me greatly. There is a large possibility of some of the more remote areas of the Andes being able to support the existence of a small population of dinosaur descendants.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on October 15, 2008, 02:23:43 PM
 If I find a baby one, I'm so bringing it home!! I wanna pet one!!!!!!!!! :banplea:

 Sorry... I get a little crazy about my mini zoo. :-D

 That would be an amazing discovery indeed. Well worth the investment.
 
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: TheTerror on October 16, 2008, 01:08:36 PM
Ah yes, I didn't explain myself fully.
I meant, yes, Terror, the actual bible as a collection of writings first popped up about 2 thousand years ago, but many biblical writings, such as that of Noah and the Ark (which dates back to the Sumerians) existed WAYYYYY before then.


I should have went to college and taken those courses like I'd planned... then I'd be able to read the origional and wouldn't have to rely on other people to translate it.

I wish it were that simple. The bible has had so many changes to it, and so few of the original writings exist, that even a Hebrew translation is still as messed up as the modern Western translations.

Now, to :focus:
It just occured to me that this thread talks about the Inca people encountering dinosaurs. I seemed to have it in my head that it was talking about the Mayans.
I have no doubt in my mind that there are plenty of places in the Andes mountain range remote enough to support the continued existence of a dinosaurian creature.
Ok sorry
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: LeXtruX on April 08, 2010, 11:26:20 AM
Bleh... I respect your opnion and your information.......... but I still say it's bullshyt.  *<:)
a bit of a late reply seeying this topic is 120+ days old
But it might be possible...
It could have been so that dinosaurs survived in southern america due to it's remote location??? But even still, it might have been a very advanced civilization of humanoids living with them who could have been reptiles at the time and not humans... if that were to be true it would mean that during the ages of the dinosaurs there were already intelligent lifeforms right???

And don't say: it's impossible, because it is! if they were resided in southern america it's more than normal we haven't found any fosile leftovers of them... we haven't  discovered everything in the amazon either...

The fact those 'drawings' are made to last thousands or maybe millions of years can only mean the engineering must have been very advanced that you can't put a pin between 2 stones, and that not something you can take lightly...

They knew surgery and such? you need to be advanced to be able to do that, with all the risk of bacterial infections you might get when being operated.

I'm not wanting to give a reply of truth here, but if you follow my way of thinking it may well be true in some way
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: KubeSix on April 09, 2010, 01:08:27 AM
Well.... If it's a worldwide cataclysm that killed off the dinosaurs, South America being remote shouldn't matter so much. (And other than the mountains, most of South America is pretty accessible as far as I know... I dunno how it was back then (obviously), but with all its rivers, the jungle wouldn't really make it remote or anything.) I mean, easily accessible or not, a tsunami or meteor shockwave wipes out pretty much anything, right?

Then again, dinosaurs exist today still. Crocs, birds, (Nessy? :P), they're what the dinosaurs became, so who knows what could've been there when the Inca were around....
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: BowAndArrow on April 09, 2010, 11:09:48 PM
I apologize, but if this thread is having any approach on the human race being present with dinosaurs. I disagree. Dinosaurs never had and never WILL walk along side humans. They are so many years apart in existance. Thinking "Oh, prove why these 'relics' have dinosaurs on them?" I am sorry, but they are most likely a hoax, or if those 'people' had any scientific knowledge what-so-ever, it may have been in their mental capacity to imagine or base off bones, just as the human race today does. I am not taking sides here, well I sort of am. But this is just ridiculous. Literally, if you want to get all scientific, you look at the bone layers. See when you look back to even the late Cretaceous period, there is no scientific evidence that humans existed among dinosaurs at that time (well, civil, human humans anyway). Nor is there evidence that some dinosaurs survived whatever caused the mass extinction (No, I am not going to get into Nessy-The lochness monster here. Please take that out of your mind now) what-so-ever. So, long words short, I disagree in there being any realism in these stones.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: BowAndArrow on April 10, 2010, 03:58:35 AM
Bleh... I respect your opnion and your information.......... but I still say it's bullshyt.  *<:)
a bit of a late reply seeying this topic is 120+ days old
But it might be possible...
It could have been so that dinosaurs survived in southern america due to it's remote location??? But even still, it might have been a very advanced civilization of humanoids living with them who could have been reptiles at the time and not humans... if that were to be true it would mean that during the ages of the dinosaurs there were already intelligent lifeforms right???

And don't say: it's impossible, because it is! if they were resided in southern america it's more than normal we haven't found any fosile leftovers of them... we haven't  discovered everything in the amazon either...

The fact those 'drawings' are made to last thousands or maybe millions of years can only mean the engineering must have been very advanced that you can't put a pin between 2 stones, and that not something you can take lightly...

They knew surgery and such? you need to be advanced to be able to do that, with all the risk of bacterial infections you might get when being operated.

I'm not wanting to give a reply of truth here, but if you follow my way of thinking it may well be true in some way

Sorry to double post but... Look at the bold text..


What? Is there EVEN any logic in that? Humans are humans, reptiles are reptiles. They cannot be humans who were reptiles. I am sorry, please gather logic before posting a supposedly intelligent post.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: LeXtruX on April 10, 2010, 04:21:23 AM
Bleh... I respect your opnion and your information.......... but I still say it's bullshyt.  *<:)
a bit of a late reply seeying this topic is 120+ days old
But it might be possible...
It could have been so that dinosaurs survived in southern america due to it's remote location??? But even still, it might have been a very advanced civilization of humanoids living with them who could have been reptiles at the time and not humans... if that were to be true it would mean that during the ages of the dinosaurs there were already intelligent lifeforms right???

And don't say: it's impossible, because it is! if they were resided in southern america it's more than normal we haven't found any fosile leftovers of them... we haven't  discovered everything in the amazon either...

The fact those 'drawings' are made to last thousands or maybe millions of years can only mean the engineering must have been very advanced that you can't put a pin between 2 stones, and that not something you can take lightly...

They knew surgery and such? you need to be advanced to be able to do that, with all the risk of bacterial infections you might get when being operated.

I'm not wanting to give a reply of truth here, but if you follow my way of thinking it may well be true in some way

Sorry to double post but... Look at the bold text..


What? Is there EVEN any logic in that? Humans are humans, reptiles are reptiles. They cannot be humans who were reptiles. I am sorry, please gather logic before posting a supposedly intelligent post.
i said humanoids, those are creature that are like humans but not humans... it could have been those ancestors weren't humans or even mamals but reptiles that walked like humans and such, thus the name humanoids...
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: KubeSix on April 10, 2010, 08:54:01 PM
Ummm.... Yeah... BowAndArrow, follow your own advice and make sure what you say is logical. Lex's statement that you bolded out was completely logical, you just didn't take the time to correctly comprehend it.

Although I do agree that there probably weren't any dinosaurs walking along humans, you're also saying nothing survived the mass extinction. You're wrong there. Crocodiles, anyone?

Let's take a look at the crocodilian order, shall we? Crocodilians have been around since the Triassic era. That was BEFORE the Jurassic even came about. Oh, and you know what? Crocodilians are part of the Crurotarsi. The Crurotarsi are the sister group of the Avemetatarsalians. You know what those are? Birds. More precisely Archosaurs closer to birds than Crocodilians (Which are also Archosaurs) Let's see.... They include birds AND the Triceratops along with the Tyrannosaurus Rex. Ever looked at a chicken walk? Funny how they resemble dinosaurs, huh? Evolution, they call it, those fools without scientific knowledge.

There is more than enough proof that dinosaurs survived after the extinction. They simply adapted to the new face of the world. Now I'm not saying Nessy exists. Maybe it does maybe it doesn't, but "please take that out of your mind"? No. Maybe it doesn't live in the Loch Ness, but when the fark did humans explore the deepest parts of the sea? Why did I miss that when it was on the news? If you think we know everything about what's underwater, you've got lots to learn before you can argue anything concerning the animal kingdom.

You're new here, so I won't be too much of a d*ck, but you'll soon learn I, along with most around here, never say anything without justification. Don't call bulls**t without knowing what you're talking about, if you're as wise as you claim to be in your other posts.
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: LeXtruX on April 11, 2010, 07:18:43 AM
Ummm.... Yeah... BowAndArrow, follow your own advice and make sure what you say is logical. Lex's statement that you bolded out was completely logical, you just didn't take the time to correctly comprehend it.

Although I do agree that there probably weren't any dinosaurs walking along humans, you're also saying nothing survived the mass extinction. You're wrong there. Crocodiles, anyone?

Let's take a look at the crocodilian order, shall we? Crocodilians have been around since the Triassic era. That was BEFORE the Jurassic even came about. Oh, and you know what? Crocodilians are part of the Crurotarsi. The Crurotarsi are the sister group of the Avemetatarsalians. You know what those are? Birds. More precisely Archosaurs closer to birds than Crocodilians (Which are also Archosaurs) Let's see.... They include birds AND the Triceratops along with the Tyrannosaurus Rex. Ever looked at a chicken walk? Funny how they resemble dinosaurs, huh? Evolution, they call it, those fools without scientific knowledge.

There is more than enough proof that dinosaurs survived after the extinction. They simply adapted to the new face of the world. Now I'm not saying Nessy exists. Maybe it does maybe it doesn't, but "please take that out of your mind"? No. Maybe it doesn't live in the Loch Ness, but when the fark did humans explore the deepest parts of the sea? Why did I miss that when it was on the news? If you think we know everything about what's underwater, you've got lots to learn before you can argue anything concerning the animal kingdom.

You're new here, so I won't be too harsh, but you'll soon learn I, along with most around here, never say anything without justification. Don't call bulls**t without knowing what you're talking about, if you're as wise as you claim to be in your other posts.
also I want to add that humanoids aren't humans, they look like them in key points, walking on 2 legs, being able to talk, things like that, they could be reptilian, amphibian or even birds ^^
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: KubeSix on April 11, 2010, 11:34:54 AM
Yeah, human-like (usually) physical characteristics are what make a being humanoid. "Anthropoid being" could also be used in this case.

See here:

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humanoid (plural humanoids)

   1. A being having the appearance or characteristics of a human.

anthropoid (comparative more anthropoid, superlative most anthropoid)

   1. having characteristics of a human being, usually in terms of shape or appearance
   2. having characteristics of an ape
Title: Re: The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs
Post by: Kadesh on May 21, 2010, 09:12:10 PM
It could have been so that dinosaurs survived in southern america due to it's remote location???

 Antarctica is a remote location, but I don't think they live there now either.


 And since when is South America 'remote'??? *<:)