Monstrous
Dead... And Not So Dead => The Dead and the Undead => Topic started by: KubeSix on July 30, 2009, 10:22:14 PM
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The title says it all. There's been a topic about where you'd go, but not one about what you'd use, as far as I've seen. So what would you bring along and why? Here's mine:
1. A sword from my collection (I've heard people saying "A crowbar doesn't need reloading".. I say "a crowbar doesn't cut directly through flesh" :-))
2. A bicycle or skateboard (No gas needed. The skateboard is probably best, since you can defend yourself with it in case the sword breaks or some other problem arises. It's slower though)
3. A laptop with internet connection... (To play games when I'm bored... :roll: To keep in contact with potential survivors)
Show me yours!
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1. A sword, titanium or some alloy that is durable yet light. Diamond edged, never need to sharpen it.
2. A crossbow, renewable ammo, enough said.
3. An paramedic first aid kit.
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1. A machete or mallet - more easily weilded than a sword (for me at least). The upside to a mallet is it doesn't cut into things but crushes them, if the virus is transferred through blood, it would be better if their infected blood wasn't spurting around everywhere. The upside to a machete though is that it's so good as a general tool as well.
2. Dozens of rags of various sizes - can be used for many things. Wiping away blood, bandaging, blanket, shield, temporary mask against 'evils in the air', protects skin, can be used to help start fires, possible fuse.
3. A backpack - so I have somewhere to put everything that I find while scavenging, running, hiding (something I'll be doing a LOT of).
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A large crowbar, unlike a sword it is both a weapon and a tool. Never needs sharpening and great for prying should the need arise.
Crossbow. Like Oni states, you can retrive your ammo if you survive an encounter, but also, it's maintenance is much easier than a rifle would be. Anyone with a simple understanding of mechanics can fix one.
Backpack, Large, also for reasons already stated. (mostly food stuff, spare cloths, walki talki. After all, how long do you think the servers would be available after a zombie epidemic?)
Edit: After some thought, I think I will replace the crowbar with a firemans axe, still a good tool, but has a longer reach.
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hey kube, you collect swords? Me too.
1. Broadsword, battle quality, Big sharp heavy motherfarker, great for loping off heads.
2. Dirtbike, dosnt nead much gas, dont have to fead it like a horse, can go offroad, can fit into a building if you find one to stay in.
3. Crossbow, for all the reasons stated by my pals Muerte and Oni.
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hey kube, you collect swords? Me too.
1. Broadsword, battle quality, Big sharp heavy motherfarker, great for loping off heads.
2. Dirtbike, dosnt nead much gas, dont have to fead it like a horse, can go offroad, can fit into a building if you find one to stay in.
3. Crossbow, for all the reasons stated by my pals Muerte and Oni.
Yeah I do :3 7 swords, 1 axe, 3 knives right now... buying 3 new swords this weekend :-D
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1. My Samurai blade
2. Some Vodka
3. Condoms
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Why would you need condoms?
I see the crossbow was a hit. I was under the impression we were talking about items that you couldn't really scavage for.
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I would hide out in a liquer store :-D
preferably one next door to a gun shop
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an army
an army
an army
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You're lucky, I don't have an army at my disposal :wink: :roll:
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Raz would probably bring an army......an army of zombies, he would probably be one of them :evil:
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Full body armor w/chainmail
Protection from any nasty infectious bites, scratches, etc.
Flamethrower
Not practical nor as survival efficient as a crossbow, but I like to watch'em squirm and cook.
Custom pair of large butterfly swords
The only thing better than one sword...is two.
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Full body armor w/chainmail
Protection from any nasty infectious bites, scratches, etc.
Flamethrower
Not practical nor as survival efficient as a crossbow, but I like to watch'em squirm and cook.
Custom pair of large butterfly swords
The only thing better than one sword...is two.
I like your way of thinking *thumbs up*
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Ok - other than things I can scavenge for (and find fairly easily)
1. My Boyfriend - I know this sounds pretty stupid, but he would be great for watching my back and kicking zombie ass. Living alone surrounded by zombies = bad idea. Stick in small groups; at least have one person, and that person would be my bf. He taught me all I know about sword fighting. Plus, he would be good company. :)
2. Weapon - here, I would take what I got. sword, crossbow, crowbar, gun, whatever; though I prefer something I don't have to reload. Anything could be used as a weapon though, so I could scavenge for some nice metal bar or something if any of my other weapons proved unsuitable.
3. First Aid - Yes, if the zombie virus is spread by disease, this would be pretty necessary. Entire limbs may need to be cut off at times. Any other time, this wouldn't be quite so necessary, but here...
The other thing to think about is this: Would being a zombie truly be that bad?
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Raz would probably bring an army......an army of zombies, he would probably be one of them :evil:
He'd be the black guy is Resident Evil number something, who first evolved.
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lol, my friends and I have a thing with protecting zombies as an endangered species. How many of you know zombies? That's what I thought.
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lol, my friends and I have a thing with protecting zombies as an endangered species. How many of you know zombies? That's what I thought.
Ha! I like that.
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Why'd a need condoms? What do you think I'll be doing hiding with survivalist chicks? Saving the human race trying to get them pregnant? The answer is no. I'd know I'm doomed and I'd want to get all the fark I can before the time's up.
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1.Zombie Antidote!!
2.Scythe(so I can knock a big crowd at once if circling around me I'd knock their heads off in one swift motion!)
3.A Yaht stocked with booze,jams,pizza,and Beavis and Butthead that I'll take out to a far out Alaskan Island and hey if I die I go out in some dignity and style!
Devinoir:Why'd a need condoms? What do you think I'll be doing hiding with survivalist chicks? Saving the human race trying to get them pregnant? The answer is no. I'd know I'm doomed and I'd want to get all the fark I can before the time's up.
Dude if your times coming up fark all you want without one you have no fear of dying in 10 yrs from aids you'd be dead as you imagine. fark condoms anyway.
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Well then you turned a horrible situation and the only outcome was death and produced life! Hah that would be terrible though! What if she was pre-zombie and he got a zombie penis that attacked him? Haha ok that's just weird
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lol, my friends and I have a thing with protecting zombies as an endangered species. How many of you know zombies? That's what I thought.
To quote a movie
"I know it's pretty God Damn strange to be eating people."
If an animal gets a taste for human flesh it gets put down so sorry, no protection offered to Stenchies.
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Gimme a mini gun that never jams ,breaks,wearsout or over heats
Infinite ammo
A minigun stand that never breaks,bends or otherwise wears out
LEt em all come! I shall make a wall out of the bodies of my foes!
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Gimme a mini gun that never jams ,breaks,wearsout or over heats
Infinite ammo
A minigun stand that never breaks,bends or otherwise wears out
LEt em all come! I shall make a wall out of the bodies of my foes!
Oh, well if we can take anything, give me admin rights on reality and a command to kill anybody/anything I want... Oh, and one to become invincible...
only hax0rs shall survive the apocalypse.
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Oh my god, a post-apocalyptic world filled up with survivalist geeks.. good thing I won't see that.
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what I'd want to bring is all of my swords that I can carry,my camping gear,and enough explosives to blow up an elephant
realistically
1.chainmail
2.my longsword(or maybe my claymore...)
3.a crossbow,its ranged,easy,and it has more uses than a weapon
note: I live so far out that the nearest (tiny) mall is 1 and 1/2 hours driving at 60mph so ima wait for them,not go hunting
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Yeh, in a situation like that, heading bush would probbers be the best idea.
Or give me unlimited food and water supply, put me in the radio tower near the airport and I can just sit it out. :-P
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Yeah, that may be the smart thing to do but If I get a chance to kill a bunch of zombies Im takin it, thats got to be the ultimate stress reliever.
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Gimme a mini gun that never jams ,breaks,wearsout or over heats
Infinite ammo
A minigun stand that never breaks,bends or otherwise wears out
LEt em all come! I shall make a wall out of the bodies of my foes!
Oh, well if we can take anything, give me admin rights on reality and a command to kill anybody/anything I want... Oh, and one to become invincible...
only hax0rs shall survive the apocalypse.
God mode!!
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Indeed MUAHAHAHA :evil:
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Ok, first of, a joke:
I would take with me:
* A crowbar
* A auxilary biohazard suit
* A flashlight
I won't take along firearms, since you can pick them up from gunstores and other depo's of firearms ;) (ok I was refering the things you get in Half Life, why I say this, think of the parts accalerator they are building in swiss (I think it's there) but sry that does look a bit too much like what happens in Half Life, and Gordon Freeman seems to have the largest chance to survive ^^)
But now, seriously
* A dual bladed greatsword (bit like rebelion of Dante in DMC, sry, but I can somehow do that stingerskill he does ^^)
* 2 guns (desert eagles or five-sevens (desert eagle is good for close range and is powerful, five-seven shoots faster and has a larger range too, but isn't too powerfull) that has the possibility to infuse spiritual energy to give a bigger blast
* my coat, combats and black marine pants and a kevlar as body armor :)
I'll just smash my way through the living damned like a knife goes through hot butter :)
call me DMC addict, but that's how I would like to do it, it sounds crazy, but you're doomed anyway, so why not take the risk and have fun, and hey, maybe you even survive the whole damnation^^ then you'dd have an awesome story to tell the other survivors ^^
If I could pick a 4th item I would take an mp3 player with good metal, powermetal and other songs that could be fit for battles :) just to get in the mood though:)
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Quick question. Why does eveybody seem to be insistant on lugging around all this heavy equipment. You do realize that after a couple of miles you're going to be so tired that you'll wish you had choosen something else right? It's not as if the streets will be paved and clear for your convenience, and for those of you who wish to use bikes/motor cycles, remember that you have to balance all that wieght while on the move, and you may have to react quickly given unknow circumstances.
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Quick question. Why does eveybody seem to be insistant on lugging around all this heavy equipment. You do realize that after a couple of miles you're going to be so tired that you'll wish you had choosen something else right? It's not as if the streets will be paved and clear for your convenience, and for those of you who wish to use bikes/motor cycles, remember that you have to balance all that wieght while on the move, and you may have to react quickly given unknow circumstances.
yea, but we like to act tough and kickass^^ anyway, I would make the best of it and just swing around a greatsword, stabbing with it :) if I am going to die anyways I would at least enjoyed my last moments:)
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Quick question. Why does eveybody seem to be insistant on lugging around all this heavy equipment. You do realize that after a couple of miles you're going to be so tired that you'll wish you had choosen something else right? It's not as if the streets will be paved and clear for your convenience, and for those of you who wish to use bikes/motor cycles, remember that you have to balance all that wieght while on the move, and you may have to react quickly given unknow circumstances.
yea, but we like to act tough and kickass^^ anyway, I would make the best of it and just swing around a greatsword, stabbing with it :) if I am going to die anyways I would at least enjoyed my last moments:)
I see, in that case I will be sure to light a candle for you when I find one.
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yea, also, I never ever got to the end of my limits so I think I can keep going on quite some time:)
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i'd take:
* phone for contact
* penknife for the sake of it, and some of the tools are nifty
* can i have gun and bullets as one choise?? if not just the gun in the hope that i might work to scare them off, although i doubt zombies would care...... hmmm... i'll just stick with a gun and bullets :-)
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i'd take:
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* can i have gun and bullets as one choise?? if not just the gun in the hope that i might work to scare them off, although i doubt zombies would care...... hmmm... i'll just stick with a gun and bullets :-)
they call that a loaded gun :wink: :gun:
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yeh but you still need extras, for instance a shot gun - you get two shots and then your dead!
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Go for a Desert Eagle and be sure to know where the weaponstores are
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yeh, although if you can have anything you could choose some far out lazer gun from aliens which runs on solar AND lunar power... yes in fcat i'll stick with that :gun: :lol:
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even better, go for the Kamehame ha^^ runs on spiritpower:) and take senzu beans with you xD lol soz, but it's a good idea, if only we knew if such a weapon existed ;)
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aaahhhhh, don't reming me of dragon ball Z, *shudders* after being brought up on that show i now hate all manga
how about the kah gash, that would be an intresting choise 8-)
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even better, go for the Kamehame ha^^ runs on spiritpower:) and take senzu beans with you xD lol soz, but it's a good idea, if only we knew if such a weapon existed ;)
You. Shut up. The Kamehameha does not run on spirit energy. It runs on Ki/Chi(life energy). In DBZ both are different energies regardless of how they are traditionally perceived and understood.
even better, go for the Kamehame ha^^ runs on spiritpower:) and take senzu beans with you xD lol soz, but it's a good idea, if only we knew if such a weapon existed ;)
You Shut up. Making a viable solar energy weapon would either need a whole lotta solar panels or a giant magnifying glass.
you cannot make a lunar light weapon because lunar light is merely reflected sunlight. And is quite diluted. Plus most of the heat is lost upon contact with the moons surface so you only have the smaller amount of light to work with.
PS stop acting silly. it makes me look serious.
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yes sir!
and what about the kah gash? any critisism for that??
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yes sir!
and what about the kah gash? any critisism for that??
hmm how about not using a weapon that has the potential to kill yourself and everything else? Thats kinda logical.
PS: Don't make me insult your intelligence. You'll end up embarrassing the both of us.
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meh, yes sir! [with less inthusiasm]
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meh, yes sir! [with less inthusiasm]
Extra rounds so that when we roleplay Darwin, I can play the role of Darwin himself and naturally select only the fittest victim....
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what you got against this darwin fellow anyway and how do i relate to him?
the evoloution dude? what's he got to do with it?
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darwin still is that the strongest survive, so I think... because those that can adept to their surroundings makes them stronger than those that don't mutate, right? If they mutate and get a trait with which they can survive, then it's just that they gotten stronger where the others stood still he went forward...
Zombies on the other hand can be made by multiple things, but don't think of it als people coming back from the grave... if their musscles have failed or things like that they can't come after you, the rules of physics and biology and things like that still apply to the paranormal.
It could be a virus that make them go retarded and give them the urge to spread it around... or it could be a creature plugin into your brain and take it over...
let you imagination go wild on this subject and pick out the most realistic ones and go in study to find out wether or not it is actually possible:)
I'll still go with a greatsword and my coat though^^
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darwin still is that the strongest survive, so I think... because those that can adept to their surroundings makes them stronger than those that don't mutate, right? If they mutate and get a trait with which they can survive, then it's just that they gotten stronger where the others stood still he went forward...
Zombies on the other hand can be made by multiple things, but don't think of it als people coming back from the grave... if their musscles have failed or things like that they can't come after you, the rules of physics and biology and things like that still apply to the paranormal.
It could be a virus that make them go retarded and give them the urge to spread it around... or it could be a creature plugin into your brain and take it over...
let you imagination go wild on this subject and pick out the most realistic ones and go in study to find out wether or not it is actually possible:)
I'll still go with a greatsword and my coat though^^
lex you would be the first one to die then i mean trench coat and great sword? you want something that has mobility and with a great sword and trench coat you see this is what would get you killed something slowing you down tiring you,as for the creature plungin in your brain that is an absurd theory.......
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darwin still is that the strongest survive, so I think... because those that can adept to their surroundings makes them stronger than those that don't mutate, right? If they mutate and get a trait with which they can survive, then it's just that they gotten stronger where the others stood still he went forward...
Zombies on the other hand can be made by multiple things, but don't think of it als people coming back from the grave... if their musscles have failed or things like that they can't come after you, the rules of physics and biology and things like that still apply to the paranormal.
It could be a virus that make them go retarded and give them the urge to spread it around... or it could be a creature plugin into your brain and take it over...
let you imagination go wild on this subject and pick out the most realistic ones and go in study to find out wether or not it is actually possible:)
I'll still go with a greatsword and my coat though^^
lex you would be the first one to die then i mean trench coat and great sword? you want something that has mobility and with a great sword and trench coat you see this is what would get you killed something slowing you down tiring you,as for the creature plungin in your brain that is an absurd theory.......
I know, but it seems like fun to me^^ it would be a dream come true so I'm going for that:) + I seem to never get tired and I can keep going on so I think I'dd do fine.
Though that greatsword might be replaced with a katana ^^
The coat is like dante or nero's only short sleeved and not so long and black (these are characters out of Devil May Cry) and has a good mobility:)
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are you completly ignorant?? it may look "cool" but it will cost you more than an arm and leg, tell me do you even know the difference between your right hand and your left?? and a dream come true? its either death or life man, tell me do you even have training in a katana? and tell me would a katana cause "brain damage" to a zombie, being the only thing that can kill a zombie? and when your in a crowded area full of zombies, would a katana be able to kill them all? seriously just a thought but maybe you should study more on zombies before saying stuff as stupid as that, and only a fool would think a zombie invasion is a dream come true, would you honestly want to have a family member turn against you if they became infected?? get out of your fantasy world, grow up, a fight for survival isnt fun at all, and "thinking" you can handle zombies and stuff, as i said before you would be the first to die, and possibly darwin after you
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dude I don't care if I die because of that, and who are you to judge? It's my lifelong dream to beat up zombies/devils/demon like that.
Even if it means I'll die, I'll die happy and satisfied:)
And it's up to me if I want to do it like that or not... you go ahead and use more brainish stuff, I'm not stupid, far from it, my IQ is 137...
If the world is infected by a virus turning us into zombies, then we are doomed anyway, unless all scientist are miraculously also the best warriors or superman, or whatever, but I doubt that will ever be the case...
So, IF zombies attack I could make my dream to fight evil creatures with that equipment come true... I didn't say I want a zombie invasion...
Also, getting so aggressive towards me while you don't even know me is just being stupid... If you don't like my idea of how I would do it, well, SUCK IT UP UR POOPHOLE! I don't give a damn, it's my life...
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I'dd like to add that my energysupply is limitless, it knows no boundries...
Even if I don't sleep for 3 days I'll still be more energitic than you will ever be...
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this looks aufully fimier to how i was treated wrongly
leXtruX? don't you think he's being unfair and mean? i know how you feel
and about zombies coming alive i assume they are they are dead bodies but they have been possesed. they are possesed because they have no brain or will power to fight it off - they would be the easiest to mind control where as humans could fight it off - thats my theory
and i'm with you on the great sword - it may be slow but it's certainly effective :-)
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You Assume? now where do you get your info from DD? and your theory is absurd, because a zombie needs a brain to survive, the only way of killing a zombie is decapitating it, or shooting it in the head, and a will power?? are you outa your mind, seriously what will power is there? ITS DEAD.
and how is a great sword effective?? honestly if you were in a small corridor, and there was 4 zombies coming at you from behind and in front of you, how would you fight them off? you got a big ass sword, in a little bitty room, how are you going to swing it at full potential without hurting yourself??
as for the comment on being energetic, what are you 12 years old? and being energetic wont save you in a zombie attack, ok they NEVER tire out, and you may be energetic, but can you stay running for hours nonstop? cuz they will never stop, and if there ever was a zombie attack you would be the first to be killed, if there ever was one, it wouldnt be a movie, a tv show, nothing it would be life and we all know how hard life can be
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man instead of insulting just put the parts where you don't insult only... you can't prove a point when you insult those you want to prove wrong...
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My my Darwin, even Raziel is taking potshots at you. Thats not very good, no not at all. As for you Lex, you have an IQ of 137 and yet you willing throw away your life to full fill a foolish dream, Not so smart. A true warrior best his enemies without dieing for his cause. To quote Gen. Patton. "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other poor son of a lady die for his.
And I beg to differ about proving someone wrong while insulting them, around here it is almost considered an art form. Take this point for example. Only an idiot would assume that a Katana would be an appropriate weapon to fight zombies, after all, just a little of their infected matter gets into your system in any way shape or form and you will not have to worry about death, you'll suffer a fate worse than. The zombie virus is akin to AIDS, you don't just have to be bitten. I can tell you more later if you like, but with an IQ of 138, I'm sure you can figure out the peticulars for yourself, except of course the safest way to dispatch them that is.
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Muerte I know, but like I said, I can always keep on going on, I won't die easily^^ also, I would only do so if there isn't any hope anyway, before it's all over just go swing a greatsword like a madman with rabbies (or however you write the disease xD)
But if you want a serious answer when there is actually still hope I'll give you an other option:
I would take along:
* 1 Desert Eagle with enough extra rounds (when empty I'll go get some from weapon stores, there are enough of those)
* 1 backpack with food, drinks, flashlight, matches and first aid equipment
* 1 portable gps
Clothes I would wear: Light kevlar (for mobility) for the chest, marine pants, combat boots. If no kevlar is available I would go in a plain tshirt or sweater.
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*Raises hand*
Question here!
Comment, really... Desert Eagles are powerful and all, but what do you do if you end up losing an arm? Then you're pretty much done for, I guess... Because firing a Desert Eagle single-handed would be a good way to badly hurt the other arm :roll:
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Muerte I know, but like I said, I can always keep on going on, I won't die easily^^ also, I would only do so if there isn't any hope anyway, before it's all over just go swing a greatsword like a madman with rabbies (or however you write the disease xD)
But if you want a serious answer when there is actually still hope I'll give you an other option:
I would take along:
* 1 Desert Eagle with enough extra rounds (when empty I'll go get some from weapon stores, there are enough of those)
* 1 backpack with food, drinks, flashlight, matches and first aid equipment
* 1 portable gps
Clothes I would wear: Light kevlar (for mobility) for the chest, marine pants, combat boots. If no kevlar is available I would go in a plain tshirt or sweater.
Now that is a much better answer, I personaly would for go the GPS, after all, in such a situation the towers that transfer info would no longer be powered, so not long after the immediate outbreak GPS will be useless, along with cell phones, laptops, ect... But I want to ask, do you see how a point can be made while still conveying proper distaste for the one whom you are speaking to? Not saying that I don't like you or that I do, but I had to prove the point.
P.S. if you are wounded by a zombie then survival is moot. Going out swinging a sword is all well and good, but I like to go big, so what I would do is collect a few Propane tanks, strap them to a bike, wire a stick of dynamite to a fuse, drive to the middle of town, and press the button.
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now thats sound wicked!!!!! monstrous even :laugh: :laugh:
and strife? i said zombies had NO will power, emphasis on the 'NO' as in they CAN be easily controlled becuase of the ZERO willpower, and i'm sticking wth the great sword because i would be hopeless at figuring out all that bomb stuff - i'd just spin it round and watch heads come flying off :evil:
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now thats sound wicked!!!!! monstrous even :laugh: :laugh:
and strife? i said zombies had NO will power, emphasis on the 'NO' as in they CAN be easily controlled becuase of the ZERO willpower, and i'm sticking wth the great sword because i would be hopeless at figuring out all that bomb stuff - i'd just spin it round and watch heads come flying off :evil:
I still think we should just give this guy a grenade and tell him to pull and throw the pin whenever he's ready.
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Muerte I know, but like I said, I can always keep on going on, I won't die easily^^ also, I would only do so if there isn't any hope anyway, before it's all over just go swing a greatsword like a madman with rabbies (or however you write the disease xD)
But if you want a serious answer when there is actually still hope I'll give you an other option:
I would take along:
* 1 Desert Eagle with enough extra rounds (when empty I'll go get some from weapon stores, there are enough of those)
* 1 backpack with food, drinks, flashlight, matches and first aid equipment
* 1 portable gps
Clothes I would wear: Light kevlar (for mobility) for the chest, marine pants, combat boots. If no kevlar is available I would go in a plain tshirt or sweater.
Now that is a much better answer, I personaly would for go the GPS, after all, in such a situation the towers that transfer info would no longer be powered, so not long after the immediate outbreak GPS will be useless, along with cell phones, laptops, ect... But I want to ask, do you see how a point can be made while still conveying proper distaste for the one whom you are speaking to? Not saying that I don't like you or that I do, but I had to prove the point.
P.S. if you are wounded by a zombie then survival is moot. Going out swinging a sword is all well and good, but I like to go big, so what I would do is collect a few Propane tanks, strap them to a bike, wire a stick of dynamite to a fuse, drive to the middle of town, and press the button.
Me likes your style xD
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another thought.... i might bring my PSP, you know for the road? who know's maybe it will distract the zombies whilst i escape LOL :lol:
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seeing what Muerte said I'dd change the GPS for a kit to steal and jumpstart cars and motorcycles... That way I would never have to worry about running out of gas ^^
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now thats sound wicked!!!!! monstrous even :laugh: :laugh:
and strife? i said zombies had NO will power, emphasis on the 'NO' as in they CAN be easily controlled becuase of the ZERO willpower, and i'm sticking wth the great sword because i would be hopeless at figuring out all that bomb stuff - i'd just spin it round and watch heads come flying off :evil:
a zombie is dead therefore no will therefore no possesion, and if the demons could possess dead bodies dont you think there would be zombies all over the place? you need an acual mind in order to take it over, im gonna let you speak your peace now
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thats your theory fine
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thats your theory fine
What theory Darwin, it is fact. A zombie is a mindless creature driven by the need to feed off of a little LongPig, inorder for a possession to work there must first be something there to work with. (speaking of which you should be safe from any and all possessions considering you have not now nor ever possessed a mind). Your theories however remind me of the gibberings of a 5 year old, there is no substance to any of them. When you speak all I hear is "Hey everybody look at me, acknowledge that I am here, please, I need to know I exist" Pathetic.
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*Hands Darwin a grenade, refers to previous post for explanation on its workings.*
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*puts grenade in jusg of water then leaves in sisters room*
took care of that
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No, by the time you would've left the room it would've exploded... And what's with the jug? One way or the other it's going to explode and you'd hardly notice the jug :roll: (Other than flying scraps of burning metal tearing everything apart.)
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my mum has this really annoying jug thats hard to wash up, i figured i'd kill two birds with one stone, what was the first one though?
oh year my sister
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my mum has this really annoying jug thats hard to wash up, i figured i'd kill two birds with one stone, what was the first one though?
oh year my sister
Maybe it's just me, but how can one find a jug annoying? Did it laugh at you?
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Id bring a zombie friend and a shovel.
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Id bring a zombie friend and a shovel.
*sigh* I am beginning to wonder about this one. Who knows, maybe Darwin has finally found a friend, someone who can understand him on his intellectual level.
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my mum has this really annoying jug thats hard to wash up, i figured i'd kill two birds with one stone, what was the first one though?
oh year my sister
Maybe it's just me, but how can one find a jug annoying? Did it laugh at you?
Bravo, sir!
Id bring a zombie friend and a shovel.
*sigh* I am beginning to wonder about this one. Who knows, maybe Darwin has finally found a friend, someone who can understand him on his intellectual level.
I do believe that he has to have intellect for it to register as a level.
Then again, a hole in the ground has levels....
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my mum has this really annoying jug thats hard to wash up, i figured i'd kill two birds with one stone, what was the first one though?
oh year my sister
Maybe it's just me, but how can one find a jug annoying? Did it laugh at you?
Bravo, sir!
Learning from the best. :-D
Id bring a zombie friend and a shovel.
*sigh* I am beginning to wonder about this one. Who knows, maybe Darwin has finally found a friend, someone who can understand him on his intellectual level.
I do believe that he has to have intellect for it to register as a level.
Then again, a hole in the ground has levels....
You might be right, Muerte. We'll see soon enough. I'm starting to get the same feeling.
Moloch, are you saying we might have found someone with a negative IQ?
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Now that is something worth considering, as everything supposedly has a negative, Darwin you may have inspired a thread worth discussion, through no fault of your own of course.
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these are funny to look through *<:)
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That's true Meurte, it's believed that 'every action has an opposite and equal reaction'.
How would a negative IQ manifest? Maybe it's like a vaccum of stupid which instead of sucking up matter, sucks up the intelligence of everything around it. :wink:
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If it truly has a negative IQ, it means there is a way to square something, as in dumbass squared, and get a negative result. Ladies and gentlemen, we might be on the verge of the greatest mathematical discovery since the zero value!!!
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Vaccum squared is a dangerous possibility :-P
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Wait. Would that reject things or still attract them? Because if it rejects them, we might be safe after all...
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It's dangerous because we have no idea.
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Let's wait a few weeks and see what happens to our brains, then. If the zombie apocalypse of this thread's subject actually happens, it means it was sucking in the intelligence of everybody and humanity cannot be saved. I'll go get my sword, skateboard and laptop...
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I'm going to start writing down everything I think, so that in a few years, when I recover (hopefully) I can find it stowed away in an attic somewhere and actually see how I descended into idiocy.
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While you do that, I'll be writing a journal so that upon recovery I may look at how my writing deprecated with my intellect.
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If you stop to think about it a negative draws upon a positive causing them to cancel each other out. -1 + 1 = 0 for example. I did say earlier how prolonged exposure to Darwin left me feeling slightly drained did I not? Beware those of neg intelligence ladies and gentle men, they will be the downfall of us all (and I always wondered why those educated in public schools seemed to grow pregressively dumber generration by generration, well the greater majority anyway)
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If you stop to think about it a negative draws upon a positive causing them to cancel each other out. -1 + 1 = 0 for example. I did say earlier how prolonged exposure to Darwin left me feeling slightly drained did I not? Beware those of neg intelligence ladies and gentle men, they will be the downfall of us all (and I always wondered why those educated in public schools seemed to grow pregressively dumber generration by generration, well the greater majority anyway)
Now I'm proud of having gone to a private school. (Except the uniform, though, it was horrid)
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Hold on, I go to a public school...
In fact, private schools here have a much higher university drop out rate than public schools do and the amount of scholarships they hand out every year means anyone can go to university now a days.
They hand out less merchandise at Riverfire than they do scholarships to public school students.
I went to a private school for a few years (on a scholarship) and the curriculum was a joke. A year 8 assignment was to pick a chemical element and write a fact sheet about it. A friend of mine in a public school was learning the names of each element and at the end of the year the 5 star test question was to name as many elements as possible in order, with some abbreviations given in places. They also had to write that stupid fact sheet.
My fact sheet had everything about that element on it, I worked so hard on getting everything completely perfect and in the end, that teacher nearly failed me because I was unable to print it off in colour.
The only reason most (Australian) private schools get respect is because they can flaunt themselves, they can pick the students they want and kick out the students that are doing badly. They are able to offer scholarships and support the kids that are doing well in ways that the public system can't. With flashy overseas trips and learning programs set up by places like NASA.
Public schools try, they try so hard and the curriculum is so much more challenging but at the end of the day they look worse for wear because they get the dregs that the private school system threw out and don't have the luxury of kicking out kids on the basis that they're failing.
Lud darn.
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Wow, that sucks.
Over here it's nothing like it. In fact, we were the ones learning all the elements, not the public school students :lol: And my private school is one of the only ones that accepts anybody, whatever their results. They just have programs for those who're having trouble. (As long as you've got the money, though, because I don't even think you can get a scholarship for high school here...)
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all that stuff about about vacuum - there are so many ways to prove you all wrong i'm not going to bother
and becuase you ALL seemed to forget = :focus:
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all that stuff about about vacuum - there are so many ways to prove you all wrong i'm not going to bother
and becuase you ALL seemed to forget = :focus:
You know that sucking sound you all hear? There's the source....
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WHoa, you are really nice to welcome new ones with words like: seems we found someone with negative IQ. Really smooth. But I guess it takes one to know one, Muerte and Moloch.
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that was weak... sorry - thaks for being nice but that was really weak.....
i think i'll change my picture to something more appropiate.......
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:roll: suck up :-D
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that was weak... sorry - thaks for being nice but that was really weak.....
i think i'll change my picture to something more appropiate.......
Ah, how nice, giving everyone the finger. Such a show of power, such a show of anti conformism... I commend your actions; I must admit you've got balls. But you do know that's not going to change anything, right?
Oh, and about welcoming D2 with a nice negative IQ, Banshee: We welcomed him. In fact, me and Kadesh were the fist ones to do so. But over a day, he managed to give all of us an excuse to call him Darwin, so let's try not to judge before reading back to how all this started alright? (You should really read his first posts.) I guess you've already chosen your side, though... Too bad.
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Ok, we got that cleared now, :focus: please?
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Ok, we got that cleared now, :focus: please?
Yes, yes we can.
I'd like to update my 3 objects: 1. sword, 2. skateboard/bike and 3. night vision goggles. A bit unrealistic, I know, but if the electricity goes off, it would come in handy if I could find some.
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that was weak... sorry - thaks for being nice but that was really weak.....
i think i'll change my picture to something more appropiate.......
Ah, how nice, giving everyone the finger. Such a show of power, such a show of anti conformism... I commend your actions; I must admit you've got balls. But you do know that's not going to change anything, right?
Oh, and about welcoming D2 with a nice negative IQ, Banshee: We welcomed him. In fact, me and Kadesh were the fist ones to do so. But over a day, he managed to give all of us an excuse to call him Darwin, so let's try not to judge before reading back to how all this started alright? (You should really read his first posts.) I guess you've already chosen your side, though... Too bad.
I did not choose anyones side, i see that dragon wannabe sucks up in most lame ways.... im just hurt cause of the way some other members welcomed me. thats all
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that was weak... sorry - thaks for being nice but that was really weak.....
i think i'll change my picture to something more appropiate.......
Ah, how nice, giving everyone the finger. Such a show of power, such a show of anti conformism... I commend your actions; I must admit you've got balls. But you do know that's not going to change anything, right?
Oh, and about welcoming D2 with a nice negative IQ, Banshee: We welcomed him. In fact, me and Kadesh were the fist ones to do so. But over a day, he managed to give all of us an excuse to call him Darwin, so let's try not to judge before reading back to how all this started alright? (You should really read his first posts.) I guess you've already chosen your side, though... Too bad.
I did not choose anyones side, i see that dragon wannabe sucks up in most lame ways.... im just hurt cause of the way some other members welcomed me. thats all
You say that, but you've done the exact same thing he has.
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that was weak... sorry - thaks for being nice but that was really weak.....
i think i'll change my picture to something more appropiate.......
Ah, how nice, giving everyone the finger. Such a show of power, such a show of anti conformism... I commend your actions; I must admit you've got balls. But you do know that's not going to change anything, right?
Oh, and about welcoming D2 with a nice negative IQ, Banshee: We welcomed him. In fact, me and Kadesh were the fist ones to do so. But over a day, he managed to give all of us an excuse to call him Darwin, so let's try not to judge before reading back to how all this started alright? (You should really read his first posts.) I guess you've already chosen your side, though... Too bad.
I did not choose anyones side, i see that dragon wannabe sucks up in most lame ways.... im just hurt cause of the way some other members welcomed me. thats all
You say that, but you've done the exact same thing he has.
Ok, this is a public place so i would really love to see you copy pasting that suckups of mine? We all would like that Im sure.
(lets see how you try to put things out of the context)
all i said in my first post here was the answer to the topic name, and all attacked me. not very nice welcome, i repeat. nothing else....
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Ok, this is a public place so i would really love to see you copy pasting that suckups of mine? We all would like that Im sure.
*sigh* you do realize I'm not the one who screwed up, right?
But as you said, this is a public board and we were making efforts to go back on topic until you once again derived the thread, so if I have time to waste on your precious little case later, I'll gladly show you the extent of your suckups. But right, now I've got better things to do, so let's take this to the PMs, because here is hardly the place for this.
(lets see how you try to put things out of the context)
all i said in my first post here was the answer to the topic name, and all attacked me. not very nice welcome, i repeat. nothing else....
What post are you referring to? Because as I'm sure you'll see soon enough, I take nothing out of context. I can and will use only what you've said and the context in which they were said, nothing more and nothing less.
If you're talking about the "DEVIL", then it's pretty obvious as to why you were "attacked" as you put it. You simply used an argument that did not make rational sense; you simply used part of a word as a reason for the modern interpretation of said word. That was clearly pointed out in the following posts (By Muerte I think) If you can't accept that other members help you give your arguments more base and credibility, I suggest you take an extended class on how to write an argumentative essay and see for yourself how argumentation works.
This is but a fragment of what I'm cooking up, so await a nice long PM soon enough.
Now, for god's sake, :focus: alright? I'd love it if we could have an intelligent conversation and keep the crap to the PM box and I'm sure you would too.
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Ok, so all this attack is simply because i wrote something that was only a try to make this thread lighter?
But i guess i came in the wrong day, unaware of things that bothered people from before i registered.
To get :focus: all i said was a showel and a zombie friend, cause the name of the topic is "3 things you'd bring with you if zombies invade." I deeply apologize for not submiting the third thing as well. Id like to keep that secret :wink:
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Ok, so all this attack is simply because i wrote something that was only a try to make this thread lighter?
But i guess i came in the wrong day, unaware of things that bothered people from before i registered.
To get :focus: all i said was a showel and a zombie friend, cause the name of the topic is "3 things you'd bring with you if zombies invade." I deeply apologize for not submiting the third thing as well. Id like to keep that secret :wink:
That is fine. Can I guess?
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You can try, but i doubt you will get it ! :-D
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that was weak... sorry - thaks for being nice but that was really weak.....
i think i'll change my picture to something more appropiate.......
Ya know, that's the best thing he's done yet... I actually laughed at his ballsy change of avatar. Congratulations Drag... keep it up, keep improving... I might actually start thinking of you as a human being.... Well, after you learn to use grammar and spell check... and how to make sense. The avatar is a good start though.
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well, now you've gone and made me turn red! <^>
i'd like to bring my super duper icecream maker with my so i might beable to befreind zombies
or my make up kit so i can mix in with the death crowd... i might develop a taste for brains :roll:
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Haha, this one i must share:
Zombie Nation with clips from my favorite zombie movies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkxudQGT3DM
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thats friking amazing! *<:) *<:) *<:)
Shaun of the dead is definatly one of my fav movies! :-)
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Ok, we got that cleared now, :focus: please?
Yes, yes we can.
I'd like to update my 3 objects: 1. sword, 2. skateboard/bike and 3. night vision goggles. A bit unrealistic, I know, but if the electricity goes off, it would come in handy if I could find some.
why a sword and skateboard? and night vision goggles?
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obvious, sword to kill zombies - skateboard to get away from zombies and for the thrill of speed and night vision googles to see in the night - simple if you put your mind to it.
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obvious, sword to kill zombies - skateboard to get away from zombies and for the thrill of speed and night vision googles to see in the night - simple if you put your mind to it.
Let's see... a sword can get stuck in bones and such... leading to you being stuck in one spot long enough to be chow. Also, a sword's only good against living flesh - which can feel pain. Skateboards only go as fast as you can run, unless you're going downhill. And be more specific about what kind of goggles. Night vision can mean any one of a few things.
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Ok, we got that cleared now, :focus: please?
Yes, yes we can.
I'd like to update my 3 objects: 1. sword, 2. skateboard/bike and 3. night vision goggles. A bit unrealistic, I know, but if the electricity goes off, it would come in handy if I could find some.
why a sword and skateboard? and night vision goggles?
Well first, a sword doesn't need ammo. (I also tried to keep with things I can easily get my hands on and finding a sword in my house isn't a problem. As for feeling pain, Moloch, it's the same thing with a gun, really. Just need to know how to use it and hit in the right spots. (Which are the same for both) But you're right, if it gets stuck in bone, you're toast. Except zombie bones, since they're decomposing and aren't as solid as a living body's. As for the skateboard, it doesn't use gas. But then I could use a bike. But no. Believe it or not, I haven't rode a bike in 12 years and last time I tried last year, I had forgotten how to do it :-P But a longboard's always faster than a skateboard. (Not as easy to get your hands on, though) Night vision goggles, well if everybody turns into zombies, the power around the world will eventually go out. And to scavenge food in a dark store with zombies lurking around makes getting food useless since they'd get you before you could leave.
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Ok, we got that cleared now, :focus: please?
Yes, yes we can.
I'd like to update my 3 objects: 1. sword, 2. skateboard/bike and 3. night vision goggles. A bit unrealistic, I know, but if the electricity goes off, it would come in handy if I could find some.
why a sword and skateboard? and night vision goggles?
Well first, a sword doesn't need ammo. (I also tried to keep with things I can easily get my hands on and finding a sword in my house isn't a problem. As for feeling pain, Moloch, it's the same thing with a gun, really. Just need to know how to use it and hit in the right spots. (Which are the same for both) But you're right, if it gets stuck in bone, you're toast. Except zombie bones, since they're decomposing and aren't as solid as a living body's. As for the skateboard, it doesn't use gas. But then I could use a bike. But no. Believe it or not, I haven't rode a bike in 12 years and last time I tried last year, I had forgotten how to do it :-P But a longboard's always faster than a skateboard. (Not as easy to get your hands on, though) Night vision goggles, well if everybody turns into zombies, the power around the world will eventually go out. And to scavenge food in a dark store with zombies lurking around makes getting food useless since they'd get you before you could leave.
Two problems with your assumptions:
1) Zombie flesh is DEAD flesh. This means that those nerve endings with send pain signals are dead. Dead nerves do not transmit signals. Second, a recently deceased zombie's bones would still be very solid; as would the bones of a zombie who'd been dead for a long time. Bones do not decompose at any rate that even approaches flesh or even cartilage. So yes, it could still easily get stuck.
2)Now, true, a skateboard or a bike doesn't use gas, but then neither do your legs, and your legs will do much better if you use them. A fall from a board or bike will likely break an arm or dislocate a joint in an arm. This is BAD news when you need two arms to swing that big, heavy, cumbersome sword.
Now, night vision goggles. That could either be very useful, or very useless depending upon the type you use. The infrared goggles will be useless since a zombie has no body heat, it would blend into the background. About the only caveats would be the very recently deceased, and the recently deceased with high decomposition activity. The latter of those two would make it only barely visible though. STARLIGHT goggles though... would be EXTREMELY useful. Starlight goggles let in all available light, then use special censors and equipment to amplify it. These are only good while a battery source is available though, so it's better to forego them and train yourself to use your natural night vision.
Now,, ladies and gentlemen; this scenario we're talking about in this thread involves a battle to survive in a war against reanimated dead. This means that you need to think like a warrior, a REAL warrior. Most of you don't know what that entails, as is obvious by your posts.
A sword?! Indeed. Forget using a gun too. Guns jam up and run out of ammunition at inopportune times, leaving you totally screwed and then dead. If you must use a sword, either use a short, light sword, or a long sword with a curve good for cutting, not crushing, through flesh. This is an important distinction, and can mean the difference between survival and death. Something like the swords you see Asian warriors using, not the kitana, which is very high maintenance, but the thin bladed swords which are like gigantic razors and can slice through a watermelon with almost no resistance - THESE are what you want. One well-placed swing with one of these and a zombie head rolls away from its previous owner... leaving him dead for the second time.
However, a sword requires that you get in close, which you do not want to do in this case. So, it would be better to hole up behind a galvanized fence with a good sized perimeter and building to shelter inside of during bad weather. Prison grounds would actually be excellent for this, as they're already designed the right way. Now, each day you make sure to pile some wood up, along with your garbage, right on the outside side of the fence. If zombies come waltzing up and try to climb the fence, you set the perimeter on fire. This gets rid of the zombies, your trash, and will also help create a barrier against toxins and disease because of the carbon in the coals and the heat from the fire sterilizing the air for a while. If the fence fails, you have a rather large and easily defending set of buildings to fall back into.
On the subject of food, forget scavenging in stores. During the initial outbreak other folks would have rioted and stolen anything useful anyway. Better to go hunt any wildlife that remains and grow vegetables in a secure plot of land within the fenceline of your safehouse. Water could be had from wells that could potentially be dug on the ground as well.
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You win :-P Hadn't thought about those things.
EDIT: Scavenging would indeed be pretty useless after the major outbreak, but so would hunting and trying to grow vegetables. A virus like that, if it is a virus that causes it like in so many scenarios, would most likely affect animals too. Now, do you know why they never bathed during the Middle Ages? One major reasons is that the well was always near the church where there was a cemetery and decomposing flesh going down into the ground, infecting the waters, making bathing a source of illness. Which means digging where there are dead people isn't very good either. You'd have to go deep in the forest or something and even then, if it infects animals, you're in for some zombie drink.
EDIT2: I'm not sure what you mean by maintenance being a major difference, since any sword, if you don't want it to get dull, especially a razor-like on, would require lots of maintenance. So either way, it's not really an issue since none requires a lot more than the other.
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You win :-P Hadn't thought about those things.
EDIT: Scavenging would indeed be pretty useless after the major outbreak, but so would hunting and trying to grow vegetables. A virus like that, if it is a virus that causes it like in so many scenarios, would most likely affect animals too. Now, do you know why they never bathed during the Middle Ages? One major reasons is that the well was always near the church where there was a cemetery and decomposing flesh going down into the ground, infecting the waters, making bathing a source of illness. Which means digging where there are dead people isn't very good either. You'd have to go deep in the forest or something and even then, if it infects animals, you're in for some zombie drink.
EDIT2: I'm not sure what you mean by maintenance being a major difference, since any sword, if you don't want it to get dull, especially a razor-like on, would require lots of maintenance. So either way, it's not really an issue since none requires a lot more than the other.
No, people, most of them, DID bathe in medievil times. It is a common misconception that they did not. Also, it's rare that ground filtered water contains enough infectious agents to do anyone any harm. Most parasites and other things like that remain on the surface, or in the first few feet of ground. As for animals catching it, etc.; you're making a huge assumption about the nature of the illness. Also, animals tend to be a LOT smarter than us about these things, and would likely shie away from any contact with anything that far gone. So, hunting is still an option. As for vegetables, same thing. Most viruses and such are pretty specific when it comes to hosts. So we and those creatures which are biologically similar are the only ones at risk of infection.
There's a LOT more to maintaining a bladed weapon than sharpening it. You have to keep it from rusting too, then there's also keeping the handle afixed, etc.
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Oh well thanks for correcting me about the bathing thing.
Yes, I am making a huge assumption, but then again, just mentioning a zombie apocalypse is a huge one in itself, so it was just a big "what if"
Oh, and I know about maintaining a sword, I own a few myself. But you mentioned the sharpness of the cutting vs. crushing blades so I thought I'd emphasize that to maintain one, whoever is using it would also need a pretty good sharpener handy. (the underside of ceramic bowls can work too)
Bringing along a sword in itself isn't much use though if they gang up on you... (Thinking "Left 4 Dead") So traps like you mentioned would work better. (more protection too)
The infection spreading in the water and underground, I got that from the miniseries Andromeda Strain :-P The virus evolves and starts contaminating the water and the ground. (At an exaggerated speed because Hollywood just loves to impress.)
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Oh well thanks for correcting me about the bathing thing.
Yes, I am making a huge assumption, but then again, just mentioning a zombie apocalypse is a huge one in itself, so it was just a big "what if"
Oh, and I know about maintaining a sword, I own a few myself. But you mentioned the sharpness of the cutting vs. crushing blades so I thought I'd emphasize that to maintain one, whoever is using it would also need a pretty good sharpener handy. (the underside of ceramic bowls can work too)
Bringing along a sword in itself isn't much use though if they gang up on you... (Thinking "Left 4 Dead") So traps like you mentioned would work better. (more protection too)
The infection spreading in the water and underground, I got that from the miniseries Andromeda Strain :-P The virus evolves and starts contaminating the water and the ground. (At an exaggerated speed because Hollywood just loves to impress.)
The shape of the blade determines what it is best used for, and the type and hardness of the steel determines both the edge and shape of the blade. For example, a hard steel would make a fine-edged cutting blade, which would generally have a slightly curved shape, to facilitate cutting without placing too much strain on the steel. A very hard steel would make a regular-edged weapon, such as an axe or a broadsword. These are "crushing" blades; so called because they do not cut their way through an opponent's flesh as much as they crush their way through it. The difference can be measured in fractions of a second, and in a fight fractions of a second are precious.
As for the thing with the water, the ground acts as a gigantic filter, stopping nearly everything from getting into the water supply. You can further purify it via recondensation. Basically, you'd put it all in an enclosed system and heat it gently, then catch the condensed water in a separate basin. Do this a few times, add a tiny amount of Chlorine, and voila! You now have potable drinking water. Also, this system requires no modern power sources - just sunlight!
[Have you noticed yet? I'm no slouch at anything.]
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That would explain why some blades are so thin. I had never seen it that way. I'll have to test it out sometime...
Oh, I know how to filter water and I've had to do it before. Hadn't thought about it when you mentioned the well, though, for some reason.....>.<
But I can see you've thought this through carefully and you've convinced me I wouldn't last long out there without doing the same myself :-P (Nobody really would anyway, such things would have to be carefully planned out before taking action)
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In my line of work, role playing is encouraged.
"What will I do if I'm attacked by an inmate?"
"What do I do if an inmate takes a hostage while I'm in a control station?"
"Is this inmate going to attack me, if so, what do I do?"
In my case, work happens to be a Level Four Maximum Security Prison (If anyone is truly surprised by this, let me know, lol.). So, you really do need to have your "What if's" all figured out ahead of time; because you never know which day you might walk into work in your uniform, and be carried out in a body bag. And yeha, I've seen some hairy s**t there... bad, bad things that make some folks need therapy.
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Well this explains everything, then :-P I can see why you'd need what ifs then... So what do you do if you're in a control station and every inmate becomes a zombie? (I have doubts this would happen, but just another what if :wink:)
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I just learnt ALOT about swords....
but ot be honest if zombies invade and you have the perfect strategy - what next, everything would slowly die out, and if you're the only person left eventually you'll get old and either die somewhere or get overpowered so there's really no points of trying to live in the first place. In al the movies there is always a way to reverse the zombie thing e.g. all zombies die, or all zombies become human again [less popular]. so i would suggest bringing theese three things:
and peice of paper, a pen, a rope.
then go find somewhere nice and high where no brainless creature can get to without being really lucky, write a strange note, put it in you pocket and hang yourself. any survivours that find you will hopefully read your note and hang them selves too. :wink:
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May I note that they will indeed feel pain, because, even with a virus... the nerves is what makes our muscles know what to do ;-), no nerves means no body movements...
that's why decapitating or destroying the brain is the best way to kill a zombie, since the nevers are cut off from the brain...
You guys are being scientific and such but forget one of the most important lessons from biology: how the body works ;-)
2nd, yea swords might be clumsy, I agree on that, but then again, if you look at those details, no weapon is the correct one to use... Since all have flaws with either reach, maintenance or jams...
About the prisons... Remember that every prison in the world is overpopulated, so I don't think going there is too smart, as there will certainly be dead bodies from the riots breaking lose when the virus spreads out...
About the virus itself: A virus isn't a living organism... quite the opposite. A virus is a peace of dead and broken DNA, containing either a flaw in the code (causing atsma and things like that are with flaws in DNA) or deadly diseases, such as AIDS, which contain a code that destroys it's host.
The problem with viruses mainly is that the body just copies the code from the orignal. In the case of AIDS it copies the code and makes the body destroy it's own white bloodcells and thus the immune system.
Then again, the problem is mostly if the virus gets airborn, then you need to worry.
The best place to hide from the living dead should thus be in the middle of nowhere (like the desert) and believe me when I say that you won't survive for too long there ;)
About the virus affecting animals... A virus can have influence on a lot of creatures, and there is no way to know which ones are safe and which ones aren't without a proper investigation.
Now to the point: if you want to fight zombies, find a way to destroy the virus (still considering it is a virus that makes them a zombie) is to go en secure a lab and never get out of the hazard suite, except to eat, and always wash before undressing to normal clothes...
In the secured lab you need to find an antidote that destroys the virus, or cancels it out.
That one has the highest rate of succes, since just killing them 1 by 1 isn't going to do you much good, the virus will keep spreading and only if you are lucky (or maybe very unlucky) you'll be the last living human on earth...
So my conclusion is: zombies can only be from recently and undecomposed bodies or from living humans... Don't fear the dead coming out of their graves ;)
*EDIT: Damn, so it does had to be desert xD*
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But will a dead brain controlled by an organism alien to the original body feel the pain the body does? We can't really know for sure...
If every weapon is clumsy, I'd still go with a melle one because ranged has too many different unpredictable events that can get you in trouble. A melee weapon, you can see if it'll break the next time you fightor something so you can at least try to repair it and it won't jam on you... But if I went with a ranged one, I'd go with either an S&W Model 500 or an Atchisson Assault Shotgun (2005 version, not the 1972) because there's nothing more awesome than the most powerful revolver in the world and/or a fulyl automatic shotgun firing 300 fragmentation shells a minute.
Also, I'd love to hide in the dessert, but I agree, you can't survive very long in a sea of ice cream... :wink: *<:) The desert could still work, though. Find an oasis r other place near water where you can cultivate food and all and you should be alright until the next sandstorm. By then, you should've built a shelter or something.
But you wouldn't necessarily be the last person on earth. A prison ground can hold more than one person, so just bring along a few people and... play that game called reproduction.
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That's true because if the creature is moving that means that inside their bodies action potentials are generating energy to move...so if they can move in the first place which takes energy and action potentials fired off of neurons then those neurons are active and in turn,feel pain!
This is hypothetically speaking of course.Realistically,we have not examined a zombie so we cannot prove either way but if it can move it can feel and somewhat think...
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Not exactly. There are motor neurons and then there are sensory neurons. Pain receptors are separate. But it wouldn't matter because they would be non-conductive after so long unless something regenerated the mylin sheaths and axons and dendrites.
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I just learnt ALOT about swords....
but ot be honest if zombies invade and you have the perfect strategy - what next, everything would slowly die out, and if you're the only person left eventually you'll get old and either die somewhere or get overpowered so there's really no points of trying to live in the first place. In al the movies there is always a way to reverse the zombie thing e.g. all zombies die, or all zombies become human again [less popular]. so i would suggest bringing theese three things:
and peice of paper, a pen, a rope.
then go find somewhere nice and high where no brainless creature can get to without being really lucky, write a strange note, put it in you pocket and hang yourself. any survivours that find you will hopefully read your note and hang them selves too. :wink:
Incredible! An intelligent post! There may be hope for him yet!
As for the part about pain and all.... actually no. You see, there are different types of nerve fibers, and those that transmit pain are specialized for that purpose only, and those that transmit muscle commands, called motor neurons, are also specialized for that purpose only. So, while they could get up and move around, they would not likely be capable of feeling pain since such a thing would not only be useless, but also place the creature at a disadvantage since the pain of systemic decomposition would render it unable to move to begin with.
Now, about the prisons; yes, there would be lots of dead bodies. However, the vast majority of inmates are always in secured areas, meaning that dealing with them would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
As for death; we all die eventually. The question is not a matter of if, but when, where, and under what circumstances?
And Kube, I agree, the desert sounds like the perfect place. However, sand will pit and accelerate the corrosion of metals, especially since there are minuscule traces of salts throughout most deserts that will accelerate this even further. Add to that the ongoing damage that sand in your food does to your teeth, and the systemic problems said damage causes; metabolic problems, tooth decay, infection, etc., and the desert is not really such a good place after all.
Realistically, the best places to hide would either be in the very cold places, or in the subtropical regions. In the very cold places, above the Arctic circle, the extreme cold would destroy the necrotic flesh pretty fast, and in the subtropics, the increased warmth and humidity would accelerate the decomposition of the flesh.
Not exactly. There are motor neurons and then there are sensory neurons. Pain receptors are separate. But it wouldn't matter because they would be non-conductive after so long unless something regenerated the myelin sheaths and axons and dendrites.
Corrected spelling, and yes, Oni is right.
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Thanks, was going off the spell check on google chrome.
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Yes Oni,the nocioceptors are seperate was simply trying so speak in lamens terms.I'm glad there is a fellow anatomy and physiology fluent person here.
Yes,by all means all of it is illogical but If the sensory neurons would re-activate there is no telling what others would activate.
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The CNS(central nervous system)would be first to go, then the PNS(peripheral nervous system)would be next. Because the spinal cord is basically a extension of the Brain.
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But, anyways let's say it was supernatural and not medical in any way and you could still take them out by damaging the head. The 3 things I would bring if zombies invade would be this; (1)An aircraft carrier, (2)one squad of nuclear submarines, (3)essential personnel, convinced to come along by different means. :spy:
Break out my contingency plan for a break for the Arctic, make a floating city out of the aircraft carrier, break down two subs for the reactors. when we get there, break everything down and make a city, use glaciers for fresh water and so forth.
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Someone said that it would be impossible to survive a Zombie Apocalypse, I beg to differ as I already have a plan in mind that with just a little more tweaking will ensure the survival of me and my family. It is also an adaptable plan as long as you live near a body of water, I bet you all want to know don't you, maybe some day I'll share it with you.
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But, anyways let's say it was supernatural and not medical in any way and you could still take them out by damaging the head. The 3 things I would bring if zombies invade would be this; (1)An aircraft carrier, (2)one squad of nuclear submarines, (3)essential personnel, convinced to come along by different means. :spy:
Break out my contingency plan for a break for the Arctic, make a floating city out of the aircraft carrier, break down two subs for the reactors. when we get there, break everything down and make a city, use glaciers for fresh water and so forth.
And I would send out transmissions for survivors to meet at harbors along the way, and I would a few members from here along with their precious cargo's. :-D.
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Gun fu anyone?
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do you think zonbies are easier to dospatch of then the agents from matrix 2?
P.S. guess what i watched again last night LOL
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Lol about the desert: yes an oasis is useful, but oasises mean that there are people passing by? so it isn't completely secured.
The idea of having a city on the icecaps isn't that bad of an idea, the only problem is getting food, you need a place with a thick layer of ice to build a city upon.
And you need a layer of ice big enough to stand on but small enough to cut through to get fish.
+ coming above sealevel on the pole is going to be difficult, the layer can't be too thick or you won't be able to bash through the ice.
But, with some reconsidering and adjusting the idea it would surely be possible, considering that everyone you take along isn't infected yet?
And also, how are you going to provide the subs and stuff?
And last but not least, who would you take along here? and what cargo? xD
Lol, maybe I don't even want to know xD
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Who said ice caps?, I'm aiming for an island in the Kara sea. Build 10-20 greenhouses and raid the seed vault. I will steal the first submarine and use different methods of negotiation to acquire the other stuff. Take as many crates of those food packages(MRE) as you can from different places along the way. What cargo do you think?
The essential personnel would include engineers and so forth.
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Who said ice caps?, I'm aiming for an island in the Kara sea. Build 10-20 greenhouses and raid the seed vault. I will steal the first submarine and use different methods of negotiation to acquire the other stuff. Take as many crates of those food packages(MRE) as you can from different places along the way. What cargo do you think?
The essential personnel would include engineers and so forth.
I would go with you, but I don't relish the idea of 24-7 frostbite. We have similar ideas, I however plan on enjoying summers also :-D .
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Actually, just go to the Antarctic; that solves all of those problems. You should raid the seed vault first though.
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Who said ice caps?, I'm aiming for an island in the Kara sea. Build 10-20 greenhouses and raid the seed vault. I will steal the first submarine and use different methods of negotiation to acquire the other stuff. Take as many crates of those food packages(MRE) as you can from different places along the way. What cargo do you think?
The essential personnel would include engineers and so forth.
I would go with you, but I don't relish the idea of 24-7 frostbite. We have similar ideas, I however plan on enjoying summers also :-D .
Actually, just go to the Antarctic; that solves all of those problems. You should raid the seed vault first though.
Great minds think alike, I guess.
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or you could choose a small island werever you want, once you kill all the zombies and toss them off surely it will be easy to defend and you'll get your summers back e.g. the canary islands, You just need to get a ig community there to start things off
unless zombies can swim...
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or you could choose a small island werever you want, once you kill all the zombies and toss them off surely it will be easy to defend and you'll get your summers back e.g. the canary islands, You just need to get a ig community there to start things off
unless zombies can swim...
Swimming isn't a problem; available arable land is. You see, the coastline of Antarctica gives you ready access to two continents. Now, the Cape of Good Hope is a misnomer. This place is so dangerous that even veteran sailors in those waters pee themselves just a little bit as they pass through it, especially in the winter months, when things really get hairy there. So, Southern Africa is unlikely. However, by comparison, South America is a wonderful target area to set up farming operations. You can work during the winter months, when it is inhospitably cold, to build a fence around a small section of the continent, though that would take a few years, then farm behind the fence. Eventually, you could reclaim larger and larger pieces of land as the population of living souls rose, eventually reclaiming it all.
Your base of operations, and your refuge, would still be only a few miles from the coast in Antarctica, and foodstuffs could be stored there for the long term in case of a strategic retreat in the face of superior numbers. The zombies would all die out eventually, and this technique, while time consuming, would allow for survival.
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or you could choose a small island werever you want, once you kill all the zombies and toss them off surely it will be easy to defend and you'll get your summers back e.g. the canary islands, You just need to get a ig community there to start things off
unless zombies can swim...
Swimming isn't a problem; available arable land is. You see, the coastline of Antarctica gives you ready access to two continents. Now, the Cape of Good Hope is a misnomer. This place is so dangerous that even veteran sailors in those waters pee themselves just a little bit as they pass through it, especially in the winter months, when things really get hairy there. So, Southern Africa is unlikely. However, by comparison, South America is a wonderful target area to set up farming operations. You can work during the winter months, when it is inhospitably cold, to build a fence around a small section of the continent, though that would take a few years, then farm behind the fence. Eventually, you could reclaim larger and larger pieces of land as the population of living souls rose, eventually reclaiming it all.
Your base of operations, and your refuge, would still be only a few miles from the coast in Antarctica, and foodstuffs could be stored there for the long term in case of a strategic retreat in the face of superior numbers. The zombies would all die out eventually, and this technique, while time consuming, would allow for survival.
Bingo, and while my Island is a little closer to home, the same tactic would also work.
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I'm more concerned with the effects of any short term climate changes brought about by the initial calamity. If the Arctic ice shelf melts, everyone will need flippers. However, under the Antarctic ice shelf is an entire continent; no need for flippers if that melts.
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although with most the population dead there wouldn't be as much burning ergo global warming dies down untill the new community start burning stuff again :-P
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Actually, when mankind falls, nearly all of his technology will run to riot with him there to control and tend it. This will lead to incomprehensible disasters in the first few years. Hence, some minor, possibly major, though short-lived, climate change. It should mostly be localized to geographical areas, but could spread.
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Speaking of swimming zombies..... Doesn't the bible say about the dead rising from the sea, walking back on to land?
Could you imagine it...... Having fun on your tiny island hideaway. Happy, well supplied, secure in the knowledge that there will be no brain eating while you stay in your little slice o' paradise.
A morning dawn later............ As you are sound asleep. Your makeshift alarm system alerts you. Clanging pots and pans, the ringing of bells. A red alert! whatever awakens you, inevitably you check your window. the beach is swarmed by the undead, they march mindlessly wrecking all you have built. The very sea seems to give birth to more and more of the vile monstrosities. All of which are marching straight at your position.... no where to run, no where to hide.... Just you and the endless tide.
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Yes i can imagine that but only becuase it would be the start of a good movie LOL
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Speaking of swimming zombies..... Doesn't the bible say about the dead rising from the sea, walking back on to land?
Could you imagine it...... Having fun on your tiny island hideaway. Happy, well supplied, secure in the knowledge that there will be no brain eating while you stay in your little slice o' paradise.
A morning dawn later............ As you are sound asleep. Your makeshift alarm system alerts you. Clanging pots and pans, the ringing of bells. A red alert! whatever awakens you, inevitably you check your window. the beach is swarmed by the undead, they march mindlessly wrecking all you have built. The very sea seems to give birth to more and more of the vile monstrosities. All of which are marching straight at your position.... no where to run, no where to hide.... Just you and the endless tide.
Well then I suppose some sort of retaining wall would be needed. Maybe the zombies don't eat only human flesh though. I mean there are plenty of things to eat in the ocean. Unless the zombieness spreads like an infection. Can you imagine zombie sea otters? Now that would make for a great B movie.
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well, here is a question for somebody to answer, what drives a zombie to eat? the digestive system is completly dead, and the only thing really alive in a zombie is the brain, hence shooting it/ hitting it in the head enough will kill it....and think about how much pressure would be deep in the ocean its enough to crush a human, what would it do to a zombie? it would crush it...but what drives a zombie to eat?
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Better question: considering how many predators and scavengers there are in the ocean, how many corpses will still be intact enough to cause any problems?
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Better question: considering how many predators and scavengers there are in the ocean, how many corpses will still be intact enough to cause any problems?
well the sharks, and all the meat eaters, maybe even some unknown animals, would be having a feast on these bodies, therefore maybe only a few, maybe none at all will reach you, its either the pressure of the ocean or the predators of the ocean that will be killing the zombies off.
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Ya so if they feast on zombies won't the sharks and walrus alphas turn into zombie creatures?
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Maybe, who knows maybe the virus might just kill the animals, or they could have a natural immunity to the virus and the virus only targets humans, look at rabies it makes dogs go nuts, while its a blood disease to us, it could be any of those or it could be all of those
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Simple Strife . The need to survive..... figuratively.
A zombie is a man on auto pilot in a sense. He has no idea how to have sex, how to breath or even how to crap. the driving need he has is hunger. Everyone has been hungy. They weren't told how to eat, they just opened their mouths and shoveled junk in.
And even if i was all all wrong. We don't have zombies who screw their victims to death(rigor mortis+boner=Mortifying), we don't have zombies at all!
The zombie is basically portrayed as an unintelligent hungry dead type creature. Whether magical or biological in nature they are almost universally portrayed as hungry sacks of rotting flesh. Hence it is logical to use said hungry dead as the zombie in our discussion
As to the zombies that infect via virus. well viruses mutate and what better way to spread youself than a walking viral factory that actively seeks out new hosts.
If you think about it. We could very well make a virus that makes us super-human without the degenerating effects associated with the term.....
We'd just call it super powers in a can.
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No, I mean that the corpses won't have survived in the water long enough to become zombies in the first place. Only the very recently deceased would become zombies. There wouldn't be very many of those.
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No, I mean that the corpses won't have survived in the water long enough to become zombies in the first place. Only the very recently deceased would become zombies. There wouldn't be very many of those.
What if the entire world's supply of zombies homed in on your singular island. and started walking.
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No, I mean that the corpses won't have survived in the water long enough to become zombies in the first place. Only the very recently deceased would become zombies. There wouldn't be very many of those.
What if the entire world's supply of zombies homed in on your singular island. and started walking.
That's when I invite you to my island.
You see, if you get there first, then the aliens will come for their regular butt implant inspection, and hence will have to defeat the zombies for me in order to leave.
I win all around; proof of alien existence and visitation of Earth, proof that you have a butt implant from them, and the zombies are all dead.
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Ya so if they feast on zombies won't the sharks and walrus alphas turn into zombie creatures?
It would not matter if they infected animals. Ok, now you are going to ask why, well think about it a moment. If a shark eats a zombie and becomes a shark what would change for the shark? Nothing, a shark still eats everything else that cannot defend itself so if it were zombified it would still eat everything it could, only problem in such a situation would be that in time the entirety of the world’s oceans would be polluted by undead fish (aka no more sea food, too bad, there are still food sources for mankind to live off of). Now I used a shark as the example, but all aggressive creatures and scavengers could be subject to infection, mankind would simple have to identify and avoid the infected creatures just as we do all the other infected organisms.
Raz, one of the good points to being on an island is the isolation it provides. From all the lore/information we know on zombies we can ascertain one thing as true. A zombie will not chase you unless it knows you are there. Now we do not know for certain how it finds the pray, but 90% of the time you need to be within a certain physical distance of the zombie in order to be "seen" by it. If you are on an island, one you have cleared of previous infection, then it will be hard, if not impossible to be "seen" by a zombie. People on the island simple have to remember one important rule. DO NOT LEAVE THE ISLAND. If you do and then return you will run the risk of bringing a zombie back to your sanctuary, and where one goes others will follow.
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Another consideration. Zombies DO decay over time; even if that time frame is much longer than a dead corpse. So, eventually all of the zombies will die off anyway. Hence, if you can save a selection of fish in an aquatic version of Noah's Ark, you can repopulate the ocean later on with safe fish.
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Another consideration. Zombies DO decay over time; even if that time frame is much longer than a dead corpse. So, eventually all of the zombies will die off anyway. Hence, if you can save a selection of fish in an aquatic version of Noah's Ark, you can repopulate the ocean later on with safe fish.
you say that but I'm pretty sure if the oceanwas filled with decaying flesh from zombie people and zombie water creatures it would be a bit unsafe to try and repopulate the fish population in.
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Another consideration. Zombies DO decay over time; even if that time frame is much longer than a dead corpse. So, eventually all of the zombies will die off anyway. Hence, if you can save a selection of fish in an aquatic version of Noah's Ark, you can repopulate the ocean later on with safe fish.
you say that but I'm pretty sure if the oceanwas filled with decaying flesh from zombie people and zombie water creatures it would be a bit unsafe to try and repopulate the fish population in.
Ah, but that's just it, you would have to wait until the flesh was decayed away... No one who could survive such a holocaust could be dumb enough to release them early into unsafe waters.
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Filmmakers and storytellers usually take liberties with the "rules" of zombies. The rules of zombies are usually changed drastically from film to film and story to story. The generalization being that shooting them in the head kills them, which didn't apply however in "Return of the Living Dead." Where the dead didn't eat human, flesh but a strict diet of brains, which, due to the interrogation of a rotting torso, is revealed to alleviate the pain of decay, and wasn't just a "mindless" act (I had to, sorry).
I've always wondered though why zombies don't decay faster than usual, being exposed to the elements most of the time and their constant mobilization. Unless, aside from reanimation and brain activity, their bodies aren't fully dead, which I thought they were. Insects are gonna roost within the first few days of death, and maggots do more than just make a walking corpse look grotesque. This is all assuming that we don't get zombie flies, which would be harmless I imagine since insect dessication would make the corpse nothing but a shell in a brief span of time. Then again, what kind of fly would be produced from a maggot that fed off infected tissue?!? Would it carry the disease/virus to infect the food of the surviving populace?
You'll likely get black putrefaction sooner than usual because all that shambling and movement is gonna force the gas build-up to escape faster. Not to mention physical harm induced by some other means of its reanimation, like shambling off an overpass or something all lemmings style. This will lead to the body drying out quicker and likely becoming less mobile due to a deterioration of muscle mass. All this, I imagine, would take place within a month, at the most, depending on its "habitat." Unless the brain is somehow triggering glandular activity that continues production of some forms of bodily fluids, in which case the body wouldn't decay as fast, but also mean that the body is not entirely dead. Depending on which "rules" are applied to the physics of reanimated tissue, I'd say a year at the most should be sufficient enough time to survive and for the undead populace to decay. At least to the point where they aren't mobile anymore.
But then you've got that new damn strain of flies to worry about...
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That brings to mind the "Dawn of the Dead" movie... where there were still zombies walking around, in good shape, after about a year. Man... if that were the case... 99% of the ones who did survive would be screwed.
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Filmmakers and storytellers usually take liberties with the "rules" of zombies. The rules of zombies are usually changed drastically from film to film and story to story. The generalization being that shooting them in the head kills them, which didn't apply however in "Return of the Living Dead." Where the dead didn't eat human, flesh but a strict diet of brains, which, due to the interrogation of a rotting torso, is revealed to alleviate the pain of decay, and wasn't just a "mindless" act (I had to, sorry).
I've always wondered though why zombies don't decay faster than usual, being exposed to the elements most of the time and their constant mobilization. Unless, aside from reanimation and brain activity, their bodies aren't fully dead, which I thought they were. Insects are gonna roost within the first few days of death, and maggots do more than just make a walking corpse look grotesque. This is all assuming that we don't get zombie flies, which would be harmless I imagine since insect dessication would make the corpse nothing but a shell in a brief span of time. Then again, what kind of fly would be produced from a maggot that fed off infected tissue?!? Would it carry the disease/virus to infect the food of the surviving populace?
You'll likely get black putrefaction sooner than usual because all that shambling and movement is gonna force the gas build-up to escape faster. Not to mention physical harm induced by some other means of its reanimation, like shambling off an overpass or something all lemmings style. This will lead to the body drying out quicker and likely becoming less mobile due to a deterioration of muscle mass. All this, I imagine, would take place within a month, at the most, depending on its "habitat." Unless the brain is somehow triggering glandular activity that continues production of some forms of bodily fluids, in which case the body wouldn't decay as fast, but also mean that the body is not entirely dead. Depending on which "rules" are applied to the physics of reanimated tissue, I'd say a year at the most should be sufficient enough time to survive and for the undead populace to decay. At least to the point where they aren't mobile anymore.
But then you've got that new damn strain of flies to worry about...
Considering the zombie infection is considered to be a blood born disease (similar to AIDs) I highly doubt that flies would provide a good carrier. After all, if it were possible to transmit such virus with such ease the worlds AIDs population would have already grown to an unbelievable scale. Mosquitoes also are unable to transport the AIDs virus; below I have provided information as to why. I do not think I would be worried too much about flies during a Zombie Apocalypse, beyond the normal annoyance they already provide.
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~insects/aids.htm (http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~insects/aids.htm)
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The mosquitos thing was actually something I was thinking about. Thanks for the link. It cleared up a lot
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you know.... this thread is doing better than my own zombie thread.
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Personally, to add to all this: The living dead is impossible. If it is a virus: look at AIDS, the virus dies some time after the dead of it's carrier.
A virus damages it's host, so if ever a virus makes humans go 'zombie' they won't go far, since they won't be feeding themselves properly the body just dies...
We need water to survive and food as well. If a virus makes you go insane and wipes out all of your awareness you're practicly dead, meaning you can't carry on.
No virus can ever control our body since a virus is a piece of dead broken DNA ;)
So whatever answer is given to this would be the wrong one, because our view of a zombie (and I think the virus part comes from Resident Evil, everything before were the dead coming out of the grave) is just impossible to be true...
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Hmm...
1.) A long-styled weapon. Such as the chinese Guan Dao.
2.) Food and supplements
3.) Grappling Hook (to get where the dead cannot obviously)
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Personally, to add to all this: The living dead is impossible. If it is a virus: look at AIDS, the virus dies some time after the dead of it's carrier.
A virus damages it's host, so if ever a virus makes humans go 'zombie' they won't go far, since they won't be feeding themselves properly the body just dies...
We need water to survive and food as well. If a virus makes you go insane and wipes out all of your awareness you're practicly dead, meaning you can't carry on.
No virus can ever control our body since a virus is a piece of dead broken DNA ;)
So whatever answer is given to this would be the wrong one, because our view of a zombie (and I think the virus part comes from Resident Evil, everything before were the dead coming out of the grave) is just impossible to be true...
While an earth bound virus acts in such a way, what about extraterrestrial ones. Resident evil is not where I get most of my ideas, but from some slightly more in depth research. The virus acts in a solely differing pattern from normal viruses. This virus, once it infiltrates your system goes directly to work on the human body, changing it in order to ensure to virus's continued existence (this is why the body dies, to create a more habitable environment). Think of it more as a virus/bacterial combination rather than a simple virus. Hell, perhaps it is not a virus at all but a colony as parasitic organisms (this is my personal vote). Think outside the box friend before writing something off as being impossible, for it is when we dismiss a threat that the threat turns around and bites us in the ass.
Side note: The parasitic theory would also help to explain why simple insects would not be able to transmit the disease and other animals could (sharks, dogs, birds, ect..), not to mention explain why it would drive a zombie to feed, it would do so to provide sustenance for the parasite.
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I actually think a giant parasite or similar organism was the route cause for zombification in Resident Evil 4, if I remember correctly, its been awhile since I've played it. I remember one zombie you had to kill with a special "x-ray-sighted gun" or something to nail the specific parasites concealed in its body before it would die.
All this discussion on the science of the living dead makes me regret that Michael Crichton passed away last year. I think he could have used his particular brand of pseudo-science to write a kick-ass zombie novel.
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I actually think a giant parasite or similar organism was the route cause for zombification in Resident Evil 4, if I remember correctly, its been awhile since I've played it. I remember one zombie you had to kill with a special "x-ray-sighted gun" or something to nail the specific parasites concealed in its body before it would die.
All this discussion on the science of the living dead makes me regret that Michael Crichton passed away last year. I think he could have used his particular brand of pseudo-science to write a kick-ass zombie novel.
True, Crichton probably would have written quite a tale, as for Resident evil 4 *shrugs* couldn't tell you, I never made it past part two.
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Personally, to add to all this: The living dead is impossible. If it is a virus: look at AIDS, the virus dies some time after the dead of it's carrier.
A virus damages it's host, so if ever a virus makes humans go 'zombie' they won't go far, since they won't be feeding themselves properly the body just dies...
We need water to survive and food as well. If a virus makes you go insane and wipes out all of your awareness you're practicly dead, meaning you can't carry on.
No virus can ever control our body since a virus is a piece of dead broken DNA ;)
So whatever answer is given to this would be the wrong one, because our view of a zombie (and I think the virus part comes from Resident Evil, everything before were the dead coming out of the grave) is just impossible to be true...
While an earth bound virus acts in such a way, what about extraterrestrial ones. Resident evil is not where I get most of my ideas, but from some slightly more in depth research. The virus acts in a solely differing pattern from normal viruses. This virus, once it infiltrates your system goes directly to work on the human body, changing it in order to ensure to virus's continued existence (this is why the body dies, to create a more habitable environment). Think of it more as a virus/bacterial combination rather than a simple virus. Hell, perhaps it is not a virus at all but a colony as parasitic organisms (this is my personal vote). Think outside the box friend before writing something off as being impossible, for it is when we dismiss a threat that the threat turns around and bites us in the ass.
Side note: The parasitic theory would also help to explain why simple insects would not be able to transmit the disease and other animals could (sharks, dogs, birds, ect..), not to mention explain why it would drive a zombie to feed, it would do so to provide sustenance for the parasite.
may I state once more: a virus isn't a living organism, it's a dead piece of DNA with a broken code that gets copied by our own body... Our body does not see it as a threat, but as a part of the dna code.
I actually think a giant parasite or similar organism was the route cause for zombification in Resident Evil 4, if I remember correctly, its been awhile since I've played it. I remember one zombie you had to kill with a special "x-ray-sighted gun" or something to nail the specific parasites concealed in its body before it would die.
All this discussion on the science of the living dead makes me regret that Michael Crichton passed away last year. I think he could have used his particular brand of pseudo-science to write a kick-ass zombie novel.
This could be a cause of zombification, though the parasite should have to be very intelligent and very overwhelming. If it's able to think I do think it is possible, but a virus (even a virus/bacteria) combination won't cause any such thing as I stated above, viruses are dead broken dna cells. And bacteria do not have any intelligence, so for them to pull the strings is impossible.
If it's a parasite it could have intelligence, worms (like the ones animals tend to have) are actually living creatures, though not intelligent, are a proof that an actual living organism can use your body as it's host.
Also, a symbiont might do the same thing. (Now I'm thinking of Spider-Man's Venom and Carnage)
If somehow the symbiont can improve certain abilities of our body. And it's sentient and strongwilled so it can take over it might also cause zombification.
A parasite uses a host and has a negative effect on it's host. A symbiont (the human body has loads of them, especially in the internals) lives inside it's hosts and both the host as the symbiont help eachother.
Some bacteria that help your food digest and make vitamins and stuff are symbionts.
But I still believe it won't be a disease causing zombification. No! Not even if it's an alien bacteria/virus... if it controls you it is most likely a parasite or symbiont.
Also: a virus is not always bad, although, the bad mutated/broken dna is named a virus. Some broken DNA causes mutation. For example: over the centuries our bodies mutated so that we can digest milk when we are no longer a baby.
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may I state once more: a virus isn't a living organism, it's a dead piece of DNA with a broken code that gets copied by our own body... Our body does not see it as a threat, but as a part of the dna code.
And may I state once more that you are still relying on what we know from earth bound examples, and while yes, the information mankind has proved through science up until this point is irrefutable, it is not the begin all end all fountain of fact.
Now I am not saying that it is a virus or bacteria that causes zombification (we tend to use the term virus as an over simplification to explain an unknown). What I was trying to get you to understand is that we need to step outside the box of life and look at things from a differing point of view, to say that perhaps something does not act the way it is supposed to. That is the first step in being ready for anything. Simply accepting everything at face value because it is in a book is a good way to end up on your face. Lets see, what did I say my personal favorite theory was....searching....searching....oh, here it is.
Hell, perhaps it is not a virus at all but a colony as parasitic organisms (this is my personal vote).
Now you make reference that you think it could be symbiotic and not parasitic, but I have something for you to look at really quick.
http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent591k/symbiosis.html (http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent591k/symbiosis.html)
Notice that Parasitism is one version of symbiosis? Looks like we are riding the same train but in separate cars don't you think?
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"If it is a virus: look at AIDS, the virus dies some time after the dead of it's carrier.A virus damages it's host, so if ever a virus makes humans go 'zombie' they won't go far, since they won't be feeding themselves properly the body just dies."
Exactly Moloch.
A virus is a NONLIVING ORGANiSM
You cannot compare it to HIV nor H1N1 for this virus would be different if not a different strain.So,there is no telling how this virus would invade your body and what it would do to your system.
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"If it is a virus: look at AIDS, the virus dies some time after the dead of it's carrier.A virus damages it's host, so if ever a virus makes humans go 'zombie' they won't go far, since they won't be feeding themselves properly the body just dies."
Exactly Moloch.
A virus is a NONLIVING ORGANiSM
You cannot compare it to HIV nor H1N1 for this virus would be different if not a different strain.So,there is no telling how this virus would invade your body and what it would do to your system.
Are viruses really non-living organisms? Aren't they dormant until they reach a host and then they start displaying the behavior and organic functions of a living organism? Still, though, I agree a regular virus would probably not be the source to a large-scale zombie infection...
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The aids virus is a dornant virus.That doesn't speak for all viruses.
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Personally, to add to all this: The living dead is impossible. If it is a virus: look at AIDS, the virus dies some time after the dead of it's carrier.
A virus damages it's host, so if ever a virus makes humans go 'zombie' they won't go far, since they won't be feeding themselves properly the body just dies...
We need water to survive and food as well. If a virus makes you go insane and wipes out all of your awareness you're practicly dead, meaning you can't carry on.
No virus can ever control our body since a virus is a piece of dead broken DNA ;)
So whatever answer is given to this would be the wrong one, because our view of a zombie (and I think the virus part comes from Resident Evil, everything before were the dead coming out of the grave) is just impossible to be true...
While an earth bound virus acts in such a way, what about extraterrestrial ones. Resident evil is not where I get most of my ideas, but from some slightly more in depth research. The virus acts in a solely differing pattern from normal viruses. This virus, once it infiltrates your system goes directly to work on the human body, changing it in order to ensure to virus's continued existence (this is why the body dies, to create a more habitable environment). Think of it more as a virus/bacterial combination rather than a simple virus. Hell, perhaps it is not a virus at all but a colony as parasitic organisms (this is my personal vote). Think outside the box friend before writing something off as being impossible, for it is when we dismiss a threat that the threat turns around and bites us in the ass.
Side note: The parasitic theory would also help to explain why simple insects would not be able to transmit the disease and other animals could (sharks, dogs, birds, ect..), not to mention explain why it would drive a zombie to feed, it would do so to provide sustenance for the parasite.
may I state once more: a virus isn't a living organism, it's a dead piece of DNA with a broken code that gets copied by our own body... Our body does not see it as a threat, but as a part of the dna code.
I actually think a giant parasite or similar organism was the route cause for zombification in Resident Evil 4, if I remember correctly, its been awhile since I've played it. I remember one zombie you had to kill with a special "x-ray-sighted gun" or something to nail the specific parasites concealed in its body before it would die.
All this discussion on the science of the living dead makes me regret that Michael Crichton passed away last year. I think he could have used his particular brand of pseudo-science to write a kick-ass zombie novel.
This could be a cause of zombification, though the parasite should have to be very intelligent and very overwhelming. If it's able to think I do think it is possible, but a virus (even a virus/bacteria) combination won't cause any such thing as I stated above, viruses are dead broken dna cells. And bacteria do not have any intelligence, so for them to pull the strings is impossible.
If it's a parasite it could have intelligence, worms (like the ones animals tend to have) are actually living creatures, though not intelligent, are a proof that an actual living organism can use your body as it's host.
Also, a symbiont might do the same thing. (Now I'm thinking of Spider-Man's Venom and Carnage)
If somehow the symbiont can improve certain abilities of our body. And it's sentient and strongwilled so it can take over it might also cause zombification.
A parasite uses a host and has a negative effect on it's host. A symbiont (the human body has loads of them, especially in the internals) lives inside it's hosts and both the host as the symbiont help eachother.
Some bacteria that help your food digest and make vitamins and stuff are symbionts.
But I still believe it won't be a disease causing zombification. No! Not even if it's an alien bacteria/virus... if it controls you it is most likely a parasite or symbiont.
Also: a virus is not always bad, although, the bad mutated/broken dna is named a virus. Some broken DNA causes mutation. For example: over the centuries our bodies mutated so that we can digest milk when we are no longer a baby.
No, a virus is a working strand of DNA which uses a host body to replicate its DNS and create more copies of itself, Lex. Also, parasites can and do control the behavior of the host body.
For example; Toxoplasmosa Gondii, a common parasite with a life cycle that passes between rodents and cats, affects the host’s behavior. LINK: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207050,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207050,00.html)
There is also the Gordian Worm, which causes crickets to commit suicide. LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ylDNMNNwaE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ylDNMNNwaE)
These are just two examples that two VERY brief searches on Google netted me. I suggest you do more research before espousing a faulty conclusion; because if Earth-borne parasites and bacteria can do this, what would an alien one do, per Muerte’s suggestion?
"If it is a virus: look at AIDS, the virus dies some time after the dead of it's carrier.A virus damages it's host, so if ever a virus makes humans go 'zombie' they won't go far, since they won't be feeding themselves properly the body just dies."
Exactly Moloch.
A virus is a NONLIVING ORGANiSM
You cannot compare it to HIV nor H1N1 for this virus would be different if not a different strain.So,there is no telling how this virus would invade your body and what it would do to your system.
If you were thinking I said that, you might want to check again.
The aids virus is a dornant virus.That doesn't speak for all viruses.
The HIV virus; which is the actual virus, AIDS is just the condition that full-blown infection causes, is NOT a dormant virus. It is very active until it dies; outside of the human body without intervention - about twenty-four hours. At no point does it go dormant, and it currently has no capacity for such a behavior that has been publicly documented.
I suggest that before anyone else tries to put opinion and here-say out as fact, that you recheck your information before posting. That little habit will save you a bit of inconvenience later.
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Wow,ok.But comparing the aids virus to the "zombie" virus is rediculous anyway no matter how you put it
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Not necessarily. Both are (here we are assuming that the zombie virus, more commonly dubbed Solanum thanks to Mr. Brooks) deadly Viruses that will cause death in one form or another. Also neither of these Viruses have a cure, once you have it you are dead, end of story. The real reason AIDS was brought into the conversation was as an example as to why Solanum would be unable to be transferred from the infected dead to the healthy human, however the ensuing debate has shed quite a bit of light on certain facts, as I am sure most everyone will agree.
Below is a link to help understand some of what the fictitious virus is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zombie_Survival_Guide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zombie_Survival_Guide)
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Heh, I like that, name the virus Solanum, which unless I am mistaken, translates roughly as "Sun Year". Also, I saw on Yahoo news a few days ago that they have an HIV vaccine that functions pretty well. It's not a cure, but it's a big step forward.
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Hey.I really enjoyed reading that.Thanks :-)
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Why are we debating viruses? A virus is made up of RNA, the precursor to DNA. A virus is a living organism, there are two types of them too. 1. Your everyday garden variety, that just copies itself with your cells. 2. A retrovirus; alters your genetic make up permantly, stays in your DNA codes. So, your children will have it and their children. Now, who here knows why some people can have HIV, but not have aids their whole life?
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Why are we debating viruses? A virus is made up of RNA, the precursor to DNA. A virus is a living organism, there are two types of them too. 1. Your everyday garden variety, that just copies itself with your cells. 2. A retrovirus; alters your genetic make up permantly, stays in your DNA codes. So, your children will have it and their children. Now, who here knows why some people can have HIV, but not have aids their whole life?
Some don't develop AIDS and just stay with HIV? dunno, just a wild guess :?
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It's because some people have a genetic predisposition to immunity from it. These people are usually of Asian descent.
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Ding ding, we have a winner. Well sorta, new studies show that and also that some people don't take to kindly to having their DNA rewritten. The codes get fixed before it takes effect. Which is quite something, how things are remembered by the cells that happened so long ago. I am speaking of humans first run in with a retrovirus. It is extinct now...well generally speaking, damn eggheads brought it back in the lab. Alright what reason would a virus reanimate a person? Or a parasite?
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Ok, here's an interesting little tidbit about the human Genome they found out when they sequenced it years ago: the human genome contains DNA from a bacteria, which is thought to have been embedded there when the bacteria was running rampant in the population we are descended from some millions of years ago.
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To add to what Moloch said, they dont have to be of asian descent, there was a guy in UK i think, who cured mysteriously of AIDS and had no trace of HIV left. Of course, there came medical "men in black" to deny, but the word was out, and the man is healthy.
My guess on this is that its really all in ones head. Same as with any other disease.
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Ding ding, we have a winner. Well sorta, new studies show that and also that some people don't take to kindly to having their DNA rewritten. The codes get fixed before it takes effect. Which is quite something, how things are remembered by the cells that happened so long ago. I am speaking of humans first run in with a retrovirus. It is extinct now...well generally speaking, damn eggheads brought it back in the lab. Alright what reason would a virus reanimate a person? Or a parasite?
Parasite. For the simple reason of survival and procreation of its species. The parasite invades our bodies and takes up residence in our think tanks, there it makes itself at home, reaching into the gray matter and reprogramming the host to suit its own needs. Unnecessary functions are turned off and need functions enhanced, all in the name of survival. Feeding could be just what it appears to be, feeding. Now don't go for the all to simple argument of
"But Muerte we see zombies with things falling out of their stomachs all the time"
Sure you do, but let me ask you this, how does digestion in a zombie work? We all know that digestion starts in the mouth, but what is digested? Physical matter right? But is it physical matter that the parasite needs? Possibly not. I work at this theory from the angle that in a majority of Zombie lore it is the brain that zombies like to feed on, and from the fact that after a zombie feeds the physical remains are undigested.
Let us suppose that what ever sustains the parasite is secreted by the brain, like adrenaline (no I am not saying that is what it is, adrenaline is an example, but not completely out of the realm of possibility), what ever the secretion is it would have to be produced under circumstances of extreme duress. I have not yet made a study of what gland secrete what during duress, but never fear I shall. Also need to keep in mind that what ever the secretion is, it would have to be solely relative to the human species. So there is one theory in a nut shell, I am sure to refine it in the near future, but for now, play with it as you will.
(You know, now that I think on it, it isn't necessarily a secretion produced under duress as Zombies attack upon sighting their target, so it is possible that the secretion is something we produce fairly regularly)
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A thought just hit me. A rather ridiculous thought that may not mean anything.
Do zombies eat brains looking for stem cells? (Brain-stem?)
Does this thought hold promise or is just really wrong?
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A thought just hit me. A rather ridiculous thought that may not mean anything.
Do zombies eat brains looking for stem cells? (Brain-stem?)
Does this thought hold promise or is just really wrong?
It bears discussion.
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I'd say its just their caviar if you catch my drift.
It would be interesting to think of their brain infatuations whold hold some premise though.
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I beg to differ. I think they do look for the brains they don't have.
:-P :spy:
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To the MIAN topic of this thread... I would bring:
2 D'eagles (Silencer attachment)
Theives tools. (A plethora of lockpicking and "Ninja" stuff)
A sword, perferebly a Katana with a diamond edge.
:lol:
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Why a silencer? or better yet why close range weapons? Thats looking to get a killed.
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Why a silencer? or better yet why close range weapons? Thats looking to get a killed.
Listen, zombies are attracted to sound even if their ears are ripped off. So if I have to acually shoot a zombie I wont attract many more. The katana is just if I really need to kill something close up. Besides, D'eagles are mid-range weapons so I will be in a quite safe distance from the undead.
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To the MIAN topic of this thread... I would bring:
2 D'eagles (Silencer attachment)
Theives tools. (A plethora of lockpicking and "Ninja" stuff)
A sword, perferebly a Katana with a diamond edge.
:lol:
ARGH!! sorry but u cant have a silencer for a desert eagle.. without going into too much detail , its a high power handgun = no silencer possible. there's also no attatchment to the gun to add one. still , if youre going on the theme of high power pistols , you can get pistonls that use .45 ACP rounds , which are pretty powerful and can be silenced. you also cant expect any decent range from a high powered pistol. (btw , what model of desert eagle are you meaning? cos the one your talking about changes things alot.)
the theives tools.. very good idea , would be useful to have on you.
diamond edged katana? i see the point of it (V. hard to break) , but if it loses its edge , youll have fun trying to sharpen it. besides , the normal katana can slice people in two (when used on targets with the same consistency/density of human flesh) , and it can stab people all the way through. still , need something for the up close and personal moments , otherwise if you rely soley on ranged weapons , if they get to you , youre screwed.
anyway , this is what id take.
Bushmaster ACR - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmaster_ACR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmaster_ACR)
-effective range is 300-600m depending on configuration
-uses 5.56x45mm NATO ammo - which is good , cos all nato countries use nato rounds.
(would put a nightvison telescopic sight on)
Sidearm - heckler and koch USP.45
-first aid
-survival gear - matches , penknife etc...
-backpack
-Knife (for cutting things . eg rope.)
-Machete
-water purification tablets
ok i do realise that ive got more than 3 things here >.<
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Yeah but its still a good list.
Personally,I wouldn't want to have siliencer on my weapon because I want the zombies to hear me so I can knock out as much as I can instead of them possibly coming back and sneaking up on me.You're going to have to face the fact:you must destroy all zombies.Its inevitable.
I know this isn't realistic,but I'd have
1)Lightsaber
2)Helicopter
3)Sniper Rifle
That's just for killing them off...
The day I get my hands on a lightsaber is the day I call in to work -)
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lightsaber lololololol. yep , screw the katana. youll never need a new sword , it wont break and it glows in the dark!! :-D in all fairness it would own lol
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EXACTLY!!!!!!
I know of a lightshank but no lightsaber...Ah.
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Why a silencer? or better yet why close range weapons? Thats looking to get a killed.
Listen, zombies are attracted to sound even if their ears are ripped off. So if I have to acually shoot a zombie I wont attract many more. The katana is just if I really need to kill something close up. Besides, D'eagles are mid-range weapons so I will be in a quite safe distance from the undead.
Am looking for proof that Zombies are attracted to sound (This is the first I have heard of such a thing). As for picking locks. Seriously? The world is full of Zombies, why the hell would you need to stealthily break into anyplace? 9 out of 10 the place you want to get into is already been broken into anyways. Lastly, melee vs. the undead? Another man with a death wish. You do not want to get into a situation were you can expose yourself to infected material, and swords, while nice cutting tools do not have great skull penetration. I know that it says what would you bring, but the poster actually wanted you to think about your survival, not go off with some half baked romantic notion that this would be like a vacation.
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you have a fair point muerte. i think this notation of using melee weapons comes from having something to use if you run out of ammo , or get up close. In all fairness , having a melee weapon is a good short term soloution , but long term? as you rightly said , you'll be getting exposed to alot of infected material , and if any of the blood gets in any cuts you have...
the lock picks though.. yes , most places will have be broken into , but if there is a place that isnt , you probably wouldnt want to create alot of noise as you break in , as that attracts attention. But then again , it might take a while to pick the lock , so youll be staying in one place for far too long , increasing the chance that they will find you...
im just assuming that zombies can hear. best not to underestimate your enemies ability
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Now you can be the most silent person in the world and a zombie could still find you. Melee weapons would be dangerous against the undead, Like most have said if you have the blood on your weapon then there is a chance of contracting the disease but my point is that there will be 5-6 of them on you at a time and you expect to slice and dice through them? You remind me of a certain person who came on here thinking they could handle the undead with a katana and leather jacket all cuz it looked kool, the katana is useless at least the other 2 items you have picked, Mental, are useful (lockpicking may be useful to a certain extent never know what you will come across but i would just break whatever it is thats locked...).
If you were to use any melee weapon at all it would have to be a blunt object (Mace, Baseball bat, club).
Why a silencer? or better yet why close range weapons? Thats looking to get a killed.
Listen, zombies are attracted to sound even if their ears are ripped off. So if I have to acually shoot a zombie I wont attract many more. The katana is just if I really need to kill something close up. Besides, D'eagles are mid-range weapons so I will be in a quite safe distance from the undead.
Am looking for proof that Zombies are attracted to sound (This is the first I have heard of such a thing). As for picking locks. Seriously? The world is full of Zombies, why the hell would you need to stealthily break into anyplace? 9 out of 10 the place you want to get into is already been broken into anyways. Lastly, melee vs. the undead? Another man with a death wish. You do not want to get into a situation were you can expose yourself to infected material, and swords, while nice cutting tools do not have great skull penetration. I know that it says what would you bring, but the poster actually wanted you to think about your survival, not go off with some half baked romantic notion that this would be like a vacation.
Nicely put dont got anything to add
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Yeah,the only proof you have of zombies "hearing" is through zombie films.
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yep , guess we'll just have to wait for the infection to find out
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you have a fair point muerte. i think this notation of using melee weapons comes from having something to use if you run out of ammo , or get up close. In all fairness , having a melee weapon is a good short term soloution , but long term? as you rightly said , you'll be getting exposed to alot of infected material , and if any of the blood gets in any cuts you have...
the lock picks though.. yes , most places will have be broken into , but if there is a place that isnt , you probably wouldnt want to create alot of noise as you break in , as that attracts attention. But then again , it might take a while to pick the lock , so youll be staying in one place for far too long , increasing the chance that they will find you...
im just assuming that zombies can hear. best not to underestimate your enemies ability
There is one tool I can think of that would serve as both a melee weapon and a decent lock pick. It's called a crowbar, 3-4 footer would be optimal, lacking this tool you can always stop by your local fire house and pick up a fire mans Ax.
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you have a fair point muerte. i think this notation of using melee weapons comes from having something to use if you run out of ammo , or get up close. In all fairness , having a melee weapon is a good short term soloution , but long term? as you rightly said , you'll be getting exposed to alot of infected material , and if any of the blood gets in any cuts you have...
the lock picks though.. yes , most places will have be broken into , but if there is a place that isnt , you probably wouldnt want to create alot of noise as you break in , as that attracts attention. But then again , it might take a while to pick the lock , so youll be staying in one place for far too long , increasing the chance that they will find you...
im just assuming that zombies can hear. best not to underestimate your enemies ability
There is one tool I can think of that would serve as both a melee weapon and a decent lock pick. It's called a crowbar, 3-4 footer would be optimal, lacking this tool you can always stop by your local fire house and pick up a fire mans Ax.
lol why didnt i think of that sooner? >.<
out of the crowbar and the fire axe , id take the crowbar , cos with the fireaxe you only have on edge that cuts , so once youve stuck you cant until you get the head back up again. whereas with the crowbar you can crack skulls open till your hearts content.
or... get a shotgun (preferably a tactical version opposed to pump action , so you dont need to pump after every shot.) just aim at the hinges and youll get rid of said door... and zombies... that way , you dont get too close , but have alot of stopping power until you have to reload.
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Why don't yall just get an air gun...
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you have a fair point muerte. i think this notation of using melee weapons comes from having something to use if you run out of ammo , or get up close. In all fairness , having a melee weapon is a good short term soloution , but long term? as you rightly said , you'll be getting exposed to alot of infected material , and if any of the blood gets in any cuts you have...
the lock picks though.. yes , most places will have be broken into , but if there is a place that isnt , you probably wouldnt want to create alot of noise as you break in , as that attracts attention. But then again , it might take a while to pick the lock , so youll be staying in one place for far too long , increasing the chance that they will find you...
im just assuming that zombies can hear. best not to underestimate your enemies ability
There is one tool I can think of that would serve as both a melee weapon and a decent lock pick. It's called a crowbar, 3-4 footer would be optimal, lacking this tool you can always stop by your local fire house and pick up a fire mans Ax.
lol why didnt i think of that sooner? >.<
out of the crowbar and the fire axe , id take the crowbar , cos with the fireaxe you only have on edge that cuts , so once youve stuck you cant until you get the head back up again. whereas with the crowbar you can crack skulls open till your hearts content.
or... get a shotgun (preferably a tactical version opposed to pump action , so you dont need to pump after every shot.) just aim at the hinges and youll get rid of said door... and zombies... that way , you dont get too close , but have alot of stopping power until you have to reload.
You forget the spike on the back of the Ax, that portion can easily be use to pry hinges from door frames, and the spike can be your primary zombie can opener, a little harder to get that stuck that the blade.
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still , the spike isnt the most effective part of the axe.... for the sake of preventing along argument on fire ax vs crowbar , i'd go for whatever i could find
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The Axe vs the Crowbar............ Sounds like a faux wrestling ad i once saw. on a videogame.
Still where would be safest in the event of such an an attack, theoretically speaking of course.
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still , the spike isnt the most effective part of the axe.... for the sake of preventing along argument on fire ax vs crowbar , i'd go for whatever i could find
Your no fun. *<:)
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The Axe vs the Crowbar............ Sounds like a faux wrestling ad i once saw. on a videogame.
Still where would be safest in the event of such an an attack, theoretically speaking of course.
i'd say where there are fewest people - out in the country is a good place to start , wildnerness - you wont come across anybody for ages anyway , so the problem is just knowing how to survive there.
still , the spike isnt the most effective part of the axe.... for the sake of preventing along argument on fire ax vs crowbar , i'd go for whatever i could find
Your no fun. *<:)
lol maybe... inanimate object wrestling... :-o
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Still where would be safest in the event of such an an attack, theoretically speaking of course.
i'd say where there are fewest people - out in the country is a good place to start , wildnerness - you wont come across anybody for ages anyway , so the problem is just knowing how to survive there.
Lack of shelter is another problem for when the inevitable encounters occur. Though if you do establish residence in a cave or old mine, I'd be setting snare traps and digging inescapable pits around the perimeter to stave off the undead....and maybe to snag dinner. Just make sure your shelter has a second exit to fall back on in case you are eventually cornered.
Though I wonder now if living in the same area as large predators, like bears, cougars, even wolves, would give you that extra little protection. All that rotting flesh will eventually draw out more than a few hungry animals looking for an easy meal. Even the eventual large populace of stray dogs left master-less by the outbreak might turn to hunting the undead to sustain them, once they run out of our garbage to scavenge through. This is all provided the virus doesn't somehow spread to their ranks when they sniff out and devour any decaying zombies straggling through the woods. Personally, zombie bears are some of the last things I would want to deal with. :?
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You raised a question and answered it for me at the same time.I'm really starting to like your style grendel.
Zombie bears are the LAST things I want to run into...but come to think of it,bears are downright scary just the way they without carrying that zombie gene.
I think Zombie crows would be horrifying...
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Mine would be 1)a pimped out truck that has weapons and strong sheilding. 2) Probably a hatchet or axe of some sort with a belt thing to hold it on when not using. 3) A really nice GPS system and extra maps (so I don't get lost and find the probable place where the zombies would not be). And the GPS system I would want connection to the Satallites but also a stored memory that already has coordinates built in (so in case the Satallites go down...).
I mean of course I would have basic supplies and shot gun with ammo but this is additional things I would like in order to survive!
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You don't really need a gps to survive,you must see that now.
And if you can't survive without modern technology and resort back to primitative survival skills then I don't want you in my group.
I'm a certified girlscout.Give me a leaf,water,and a paperclip and I'll navigate us.
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Still where would be safest in the event of such an an attack, theoretically speaking of course.
i'd say where there are fewest people - out in the country is a good place to start , wildnerness - you wont come across anybody for ages anyway , so the problem is just knowing how to survive there.
Lack of shelter is another problem for when the inevitable encounters occur. Though if you do establish residence in a cave or old mine, I'd be setting snare traps and digging inescapable pits around the perimeter to stave off the undead....and maybe to snag dinner. Just make sure your shelter has a second exit to fall back on in case you are eventually cornered.
Though I wonder now if living in the same area as large predators, like bears, cougars, even wolves, would give you that extra little protection. All that rotting flesh will eventually draw out more than a few hungry animals looking for an easy meal. Even the eventual large populace of stray dogs left master-less by the outbreak might turn to hunting the undead to sustain them, once they run out of our garbage to scavenge through. This is all provided the virus doesn't somehow spread to their ranks when they sniff out and devour any decaying zombies straggling through the woods. Personally, zombie bears are some of the last things I would want to deal with. :?
ironically , you might just find the hibernating bears in those caves in winter. by on large , most predators stay away from people (wolves often abandon thier kills if they find a human near them and remain very shy around people. youd be lucky to see wild wolves anyway , although their most active in winter , and in summer they are raising cubs , so you wont see them at all). with bears , it depends on the species. if memory serves me correctly , black bears arent as much of a threat as brown bears. Seeing as bears dont eat people as part of thier natural diet , most of the time you should be fine , aslong as you dont do anything that would anger them. Especially if there are cubs about. any animal that has cubs are really defensive over them .Cougars i think you certainly need to watch out for. If you pay attention to what's going on around you , you'll have an idea if there are any threats about. Birdsong is a good one to use. If there are no birds singing , or they stop singing and switch to short alarm calls , then somethings going on.
zombie bears- you'd need a 50.cal to get rid of them.. certianly not something that you'd want to stumble across
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In most Romero type situations the zombie infection doesn't infect animals. Even at that a slow moving zombie bear is easier to handle than a standard bear. Now... my 3 choices and why. I have read the previous posts and think I came to a good logical reason behind each item. And I'm not going to cheat by puting 2 items as one. IE butterfly swords (thats 2 items) but I do consider gun and ammo as one item and a bag of (insert baggable items here) as one item due to the fact that I assume we chose 3 items for based of weight and carry space. But thats my oppinion.
1. Crossbow and unspecified number of bolts (the amount isn't important, just safe to say not infinite). What the crossbow loses in reload time it makes up for in other ways. As mentioned earlier in the artice a crossbow bolt is reusable if collection is possible and you can make new bolts with wood, knife and common sense compared to the munitions knowledge and tools you would need to make more ammo for a firearm, easily repairable compared to a rifle or shotgun, and a high tensile bow is strong enough to fire through the human skull which is what you need and it is lightweight compared to even the lightest rifle. Also good for hunting without fear of wasting ammo after the supermarkets have been emptied.
2. An electric bike. Check these things out. A standard bicycle with an electric motor. When traveling in the zombie wasteland speed isn't really a problem. Zombies tend to shamble (I assume these zombies aren't runners like in 28 Days Later or Children of the Living Dead), but a pedal bicycle is quick enough if you need that edge and quiet enough the zombies may not hear you zip past under there groaning. best of all, no fuel. Now, this is the clever part, you have just been in a zombie massacre, your weak and tired. Twisted ankle from tripping on that kerb while reloading your bow. The living-dead are now the dead-dead. You get on your bike but the pain in your ankle is too much. Then you remember. The motor. It may make noise but this is an emergency. Besides, its faster than those stumbling deadheads anyway. God bless the electric bike. Now you may ask "But Angelus, how will you charge this bike in a Romero world?", well let me tell you. A majority of powerplants these days are fully automated and only need humans for maintaining the machines and checking levels and other boring things like this. This means a majority of cities will have power for many months to come, maybe even years. God bless the power station. (P.S. That also means freezers in stores will still work, and microwaves in houses you invade will still function, yay! microwave burritos survive the zombie plague.)
3. Most important of all. My hand to hand weapon/tool/door opener/can opener and the other thousands of things were trying to achieve with the final item. Remember what I said about bags of.... Well I would have a backpack containing one small machete (good quick and light combat weapon and handy tool as everyone has discussed already.) and a second rolled up backpack. The main reason is double storage to collect the other useful items I will need along my way but when both bags have item in them, one worn on the front of the body, it make rudimentary body armour.
I have thought long and hard about these options and believe me, any item you can name (without ripping the piss) I have thought about but these were my ultimate choices. While some morons intend to attack the zombies with there swords (which I also have a collection of) and wage war on the living dead I intend to survive by cunning and only attack when my life is at risk. This allows me to travel to my pre-determined safehouse and operate from there where I will insure my survival and bring other survivors I can find and/or rescue, saving more lives than those who go to war (who, lets face it, will be lucky if they survive themselves).
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nice choices Angelus.. you have indeed thought through your choices. i definately agree with you on the subject of fighting only when nessesary. makes sense . i can see why you'd want to use a crossbow , but for the sake of personal comfort i'd feel better with a gun.
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In most Romero type situations the zombie infection doesn't infect animals. Even at that a slow moving zombie bear is easier to handle than a standard bear. Now... my 3 choices and why. I have read the previous posts and think I came to a good logical reason behind each item. And I'm not going to cheat by puting 2 items as one. IE butterfly swords (thats 2 items) but I do consider gun and ammo as one item and a bag of (insert baggable items here) as one item due to the fact that I assume we chose 3 items for based of weight and carry space. But thats my oppinion.
1. Crossbow and unspecified number of bolts (the amount isn't important, just safe to say not infinite). What the crossbow loses in reload time it makes up for in other ways. As mentioned earlier in the artice a crossbow bolt is reusable if collection is possible and you can make new bolts with wood, knife and common sense compared to the munitions knowledge and tools you would need to make more ammo for a firearm, easily repairable compared to a rifle or shotgun, and a high tensile bow is strong enough to fire through the human skull which is what you need and it is lightweight compared to even the lightest rifle. Also good for hunting without fear of wasting ammo after the supermarkets have been emptied.
2. An electric bike. Check these things out. A standard bicycle with an electric motor. When traveling in the zombie wasteland speed isn't really a problem. Zombies tend to shamble (I assume these zombies aren't runners like in 28 Days Later or Children of the Living Dead), but a pedal bicycle is quick enough if you need that edge and quiet enough the zombies may not hear you zip past under there groaning. best of all, no fuel. Now, this is the clever part, you have just been in a zombie massacre, your weak and tired. Twisted ankle from tripping on that kerb while reloading your bow. The living-dead are now the dead-dead. You get on your bike but the pain in your ankle is too much. Then you remember. The motor. It may make noise but this is an emergency. Besides, its faster than those stumbling deadheads anyway. God bless the electric bike. Now you may ask "But Angelus, how will you charge this bike in a Romero world?", well let me tell you. A majority of powerplants these days are fully automated and only need humans for maintaining the machines and checking levels and other boring things like this. This means a majority of cities will have power for many months to come, maybe even years. God bless the power station. (P.S. That also means freezers in stores will still work, and microwaves in houses you invade will still function, yay! microwave burritos survive the zombie plague.)
3. Most important of all. My hand to hand weapon/tool/door opener/can opener and the other thousands of things were trying to achieve with the final item. Remember what I said about bags of.... Well I would have a backpack containing one small machete (good quick and light combat weapon and handy tool as everyone has discussed already.) and a second rolled up backpack. The main reason is double storage to collect the other useful items I will need along my way but when both bags have item in them, one worn on the front of the body, it make rudimentary body armour.
I have thought long and hard about these options and believe me, any item you can name (without ripping the piss) I have thought about but these were my ultimate choices. While some morons intend to attack the zombies with there swords (which I also have a collection of) and wage war on the living dead I intend to survive by cunning and only attack when my life is at risk. This allows me to travel to my pre-determined safehouse and operate from there where I will insure my survival and bring other survivors I can find and/or rescue, saving more lives than those who go to war (who, lets face it, will be lucky if they survive themselves).
I find no fault with your choice Angelus, too bad you are on the otherside of the puddle or I would invite you to join me in rebuilding humanity after the holocaust. 8-)
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meh , at least we're on an island Muerte , you have the rest of the US to deal with :-D
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meh , at least we're on an island Muerte , you have the rest of the US to deal with :-D
Not true. While the rest of my fellow American run around wondering wth to do, I will already be making a beeline tword my own Island sanctuary. Like I have said before, I have a plan, and I can be on site in 36 hours or less.
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Couldn't you get like say 20 acres and secure the perimeter with 10 ft tall fencing?
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Couldn't you get like say 20 acres and secure the perimeter with 10 ft tall fencing?
Against any normal opponent yes, but do me this favor. Imagine so small a number as 300 (yes small in the grand scheme of the walking dead). Now imagine them all pushing against your fence with the single minded purpose of reaching you. Even if their combined didn't knock the fence down their sheer numbers would ensure that they would make it over the top (bodies piled upon bodies stack up pretty quickly). If you want to put an obstacle between you and the undead, you are going to need a natural one of such magnitude as to make sheer numbers virtually useless.
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That makes sense.
I think it still could work if it were enforced well enough and very tall with a sniper's tower shooting zombies off around the fence.
Do mean like a cave of some sort isolated from most of civilization?
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That makes sense.
I think it still could work if it were enforced well enough and very tall with a sniper's tower shooting zombies off around the fence.
Do mean like a cave of some sort isolated from most of civilization?
yes , but eventaully the corpses of zombies will build up , acting like a ramp up and over the fence. Barbed wire would only slow them down for a while...
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1. Crow Bar
Not only a good multi tasking tool, also a great weapon.
2. maps
Several maps
3. Radio
A solar powered radio for those times when you gotta have you news.
These three things to keep me and possiably those around me alive.
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A solar powered radio?
Really?
They'd probably send out most of their transimissions at night.I'd know I would.
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hmm , you'd have to charge it in the day , and use it at night then
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I have a power generator so that'll make things at least a little easier.
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evidently lol
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If your wanting to hold up somewhere you woul need somewhere high above ground with a bottle neck entrance and an escape route that takes you either to rooftops that you can travel on or an underground path that you can travel in until you can climb to ground level. Also the best thing you can do is never let a zombie follow you to your safehouse. If a zombie finds a locked door it will walk away but if it finds a locked door that it knows leads to yummy human flesh/brains it will keep trying and make noise attracting more until you have hundreds of them pressing at the door.
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Couldn't you get like say 20 acres and secure the perimeter with 10 ft tall fencing?
Against any normal opponent yes, but do me this favor. Imagine so small a number as 300 (yes small in the grand scheme of the walking dead). Now imagine them all pushing against your fence with the single minded purpose of reaching you. Even if their combined didn't knock the fence down their sheer numbers would ensure that they would make it over the top (bodies piled upon bodies stack up pretty quickly). If you want to put an obstacle between you and the undead, you are going to need a natural one of such magnitude as to make sheer numbers virtually useless.
Two words. Lazer wall.
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One word:
Unrealistic
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Three words:
So are zombiecalypses.
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It could happen Raz.
Way to go killing the thread there.
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before the thread dies.. :focus:
equally awesome - AC 130 vs zombies = one heck of a firework party *<:)
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Allow me to keep the thread alive by stating that a lazer wall is not unrealistic, simple unfeasible. Laser technology exist (The Air Force even has a few people working on it) But to date they are still extremely large and only make small holes. To develop one would require a device possible the size of an office building, so not unrealistic just way too much effort.
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not to mention the power supply needed to run it...
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O0o0 what a beautiful sight..
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If the USA says its unfeasible then it has to be! :banplea:
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I would bring.......
1. a gun, and i can always find something else around if i need to.
2. a bike. easy transportation.
3. and maybe a first aid kit in case i got hurt, but i would be trying to stay away from them.
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Sorry for not posting in this for a while. I had things to do at home and school. *<:)
Well of course my D'eagle choice was bad. ( I need to research more.)
Well I would likely reccomend you guys to a book "Zombie Survival Guide" made by the guy who made "World War Z".
It has a lot of info on the Zombiepocolypse.
A good book to refer to if this ever happens.
But anyways... I would at least choose some gun that would be able to have a Silencer attachment. If the book would be true this would be valueable to any survival kit. If you would make alot of noise, Zombies would moan and tell the others were you and other people are. Melee might be inevitable, so I would at least choose some sort of bladed or blunt weapon that could easily destroy the brain of the zombie with one move. As with a third thing, I would try to bring my Tools like I said previously. If a zombie was on the other side of the door, I could knock, and if it moans I would knock down the door on it and destroy it. Also protective clothing of any kind would be good for blocking blood from getting you. Like aprons or gloves, long sleeve, tight shirts would be good too.
I would like to say I would love to reasearch a bit more on guns and locations to fortify and live there for a while.
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Wow.
I never knew I could post this good. :-o
Well anyways as my post would say I need research on things.
I would at least try to make some plans, not just inventory.
I would also like to put this out there, were talking about a world in a zombie apocalypse.
With people being blind as most are, they wouldn't notice it until it's too late.
There would be a "Great Panic" to where most of humanity would die out just from that.
I would like to consider that the press would also keep their info on it on hold until they release it during the middle.
Think of what it would be like, deserted, but filled with rotting corpses. I would reccomend taking information on how places would be diffrent with the people gone insane, and laws are no more. It would also be hard to find teammates, people would start shooting anything that moves. Do think of this info.
Edit: I would also like to state on the locations, think of how hard building would be, the loud sounds of construction would definently bring in alot of zombies. Also think of how hard it would be to spot them, like how they would blend into the scenery. Make sure you could fortify the location with atleast some makeshift things. At least it's some defence. But where would you also get the tools and supplies to make such things? Take note of where you would get such things, and how much attention from zombies and people it would attract. If people got news of there being a safe haven, wouldn't many flock there? Having too many people is a horrid thing. Food supplies and other things would be taken up quickly and more attention from zombies would be noticed. Also make sure about your own fitness, it's one of the most importaint things. Make sure you can outrun zombies at a moments notice.
Alas' I am done.
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hey , mental disorder- dont worry about the deagle comment.... ive seen people make such stupid statements , they make me wonder how they havent fallen prey to natural selection. You do not fall into that category - feel good. :lol:
Still , i bring the news that silenced shotguns do exist - thought that might intrest you if you didnt know.
to the rest of your post , i agree . for bocking blood , id also get a military grade facemask/gasmask.
nice thinking through there...
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hey , mental disorder- dont worry about the deagle comment.... ive seen people make such stupid statements , they make me wonder how they havent fallen prey to natural selection. You do not fall into that category - feel good. :lol:
Still , i bring the news that silenced shotguns do exist - thought that might intrest you if you didnt know.
to the rest of your post , i agree . for bocking blood , id also get a military grade facemask/gasmask.
nice thinking through there...
Interesting... Silenced shotguns... I might look into that. :-D
Also the face would be a good place to protect, as blood from zombie's gushing wounds could get into the mouth, even a droplet could sentence you to death.
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Sorry for not posting in this for a while. I had things to do at home and school. *<:)
Well of course my D'eagle choice was bad. ( I need to research more.)
Well I would likely reccomend you guys to a book "Zombie Survival Guide" made by the guy who made "World War Z".
It has a lot of info on the Zombiepocolypse.
A good book to refer to if this ever happens.
But anyways... I would at least choose some gun that would be able to have a Silencer attachment. If the book would be true this would be valueable to any survival kit. If you would make alot of noise, Zombies would moan and tell the others were you and other people are. Melee might be inevitable, so I would at least choose some sort of bladed or blunt weapon that could easily destroy the brain of the zombie with one move. As with a third thing, I would try to bring my Tools like I said previously. If a zombie was on the other side of the door, I could knock, and if it moans I would knock down the door on it and destroy it. Also protective clothing of any kind would be good for blocking blood from getting you. Like aprons or gloves, long sleeve, tight shirts would be good too.
I would like to say I would love to reasearch a bit more on guns and locations to fortify and live there for a while.
I would like to clear up something with my tools. The lockpicking and such would be good when you need to open a door thats locked and re-lock it on the other side to where it would be a bit more protection from zombies. Other parts of it would be useful for other things too but I'm too lazy to say them all. *<:)
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Sorry for not posting in this for a while. I had things to do at home and school. *<:)
Well of course my D'eagle choice was bad. ( I need to research more.)
Well I would likely reccomend you guys to a book "Zombie Survival Guide" made by the guy who made "World War Z".
It has a lot of info on the Zombiepocolypse.
A good book to refer to if this ever happens.
But anyways... I would at least choose some gun that would be able to have a Silencer attachment. If the book would be true this would be valueable to any survival kit. If you would make alot of noise, Zombies would moan and tell the others were you and other people are. Melee might be inevitable, so I would at least choose some sort of bladed or blunt weapon that could easily destroy the brain of the zombie with one move. As with a third thing, I would try to bring my Tools like I said previously. If a zombie was on the other side of the door, I could knock, and if it moans I would knock down the door on it and destroy it. Also protective clothing of any kind would be good for blocking blood from getting you. Like aprons or gloves, long sleeve, tight shirts would be good too.
I would like to say I would love to reasearch a bit more on guns and locations to fortify and live there for a while.
I would like to clear up something with my tools. The lockpicking and such would be good when you need to open a door thats locked and re-lock it on the other side to where it would be a bit more protection from zombies. Other parts of it would be useful for other things too but I'm too lazy to say them all. *<:)
The clarifacation on your choice of lockpicks makes a little more sence now, however I need to point out that you need to either wait a little longer when posting, that or simple use the "Edit/Modify" button to keep from double posting. THX.
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umm. . . .
1.Moloch (hahaha those who know him like i do would understand, need to catch up sometime buddy)
2. a Hatori Hanzo Sword (kill bill)
3. my teddy bear
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Sorry for not posting in this for a while. I had things to do at home and school. *<:)
Well of course my D'eagle choice was bad. ( I need to research more.)
Well I would likely reccomend you guys to a book "Zombie Survival Guide" made by the guy who made "World War Z".
It has a lot of info on the Zombiepocolypse.
A good book to refer to if this ever happens.
But anyways... I would at least choose some gun that would be able to have a Silencer attachment. If the book would be true this would be valueable to any survival kit. If you would make alot of noise, Zombies would moan and tell the others were you and other people are. Melee might be inevitable, so I would at least choose some sort of bladed or blunt weapon that could easily destroy the brain of the zombie with one move. As with a third thing, I would try to bring my Tools like I said previously. If a zombie was on the other side of the door, I could knock, and if it moans I would knock down the door on it and destroy it. Also protective clothing of any kind would be good for blocking blood from getting you. Like aprons or gloves, long sleeve, tight shirts would be good too.
I would like to say I would love to reasearch a bit more on guns and locations to fortify and live there for a while.
I would like to clear up something with my tools. The lockpicking and such would be good when you need to open a door thats locked and re-lock it on the other side to where it would be a bit more protection from zombies. Other parts of it would be useful for other things too but I'm too lazy to say them all. *<:)
The clarifacation on your choice of lockpicks makes a little more sence now, however I need to point out that you need to either wait a little longer when posting, that or simple use the "Edit/Modify" button to keep from double posting. THX.
Thanks. I'll do that next time. %*)