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Dead... And Not So Dead => The Dead and the Undead => Topic started by: Whitedrake on October 18, 2009, 07:49:01 AM
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As we draw closer to the inevitable zombie outbreak i felt we should discuss appropriate ways to stay safe from the shambling undead. Weapon choices, transportation, and shelter. Lets discuss it all, and hopefully we can come to a suitable zombie defense strategy.
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In south texas,we build homes on pillars so we don't have to worry about the hurricane's flood waters,etc.
We should do the same with the zombie outbreak because we wouldn't have to worry about zombiew thrashing at our windows and ultimately killing us.This would be even more effective if we could add an electrical charge to the pillars so they couldn't climb up at all.
From our fort homes we could shoot off zombies with ease.
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If you are asking me to share my survival plan you are going to need to coax me with something more than just the same ol' "You'll be helping Society to Survive" speech. I do have a plan, not only to include weapon, transportation, and shelter, but road maps to get from my current location to a protected survival location. Plans for renewable food resources and long standing defense, but if I were to share with everyone, then my location would quickly become overcrowded and I would be forced to eliminate the living along with the dead to ensure my family and my own survival. Tell me what you could contribute to surviving community (of no more than 100 people max) and I may share what I plan. Oh and my plan involves nothing spectacular that you have to procure in order to make it viable. Everything I need is already in place and available whenever I may require it.
I will help you with a few of your questions however.
Weapons:
Contrary to popular belief, melee weapons should be avoided whenever possible. These are infected creatures after all, and the point to surviving to not become infected. Long range weapons such as rifles would be best, which means everyone should begin learning how to care for such weapons. Another viable option would be the Bow and arrow, harder to use, but with a little practice you can make your own ammunition, which is something that would be more difficult to accomplish with rifles. A Long Range weapon, that’s the key, get them before they can get to you.
Transportation:
Simple, 4 Wheel drive vehicles. The common car will be incapable of transverseing the variety of terrain you are going to have to compete with, and while yes you could utilize a dirt bike, you are also more likely to get hurt, not something you want with flesh eating zombies all around. In a 4 Wheel Drive you are fairly well protected, even if you do hit something. The dead will find it more difficult to pull you from a vehicle than it would be to simple pull you from a bike. Also in a vehicle you have multiple points of egress.(unless you let yourself get surrounded, and if that is the case then you deserve to be the next flesh buffet).
Shelter:
Look now for a large Storage warehouse. Reinforced concrete walls are more likely to stand up to an onslaught of large crowds of the dead than the majority of other structures you can find. Any building with a large abundance of ground floor windows should be avoided at all cost, Like walls (which are mostly nothing more than two pieces of sheetrock with some insulation sandwiched between them) windows will not stand up against a relentless assault. One such building would be a Wal-Mart Supply center (they just built one here in Cheyenne two years ago). It has only 10 ground floor windows, but these are set well off the ground, a few personnel doors, and truck bay doors. The truck bay doors might be a problem if they were not situated well above the ground to accommodate semi trailers. Also in said ware house there will be food stuff (non perishable of course for the most part) and other supplies.
While most of these options I have provided will not ensure a prolonged survivability factor for the majority, it will provide you with an opportunity to figure out what you are going to do next.
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Brilliant, Muerte. I've never given it much thought, but now I know who I want to make friends with in case it ever happens!! :-D
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Nope, not sharing. And you can save your "helping mankind out by doing it a solid" speech. I hate mankind asa whole, though I do think I'd be doing it a favor by letting the stupid and inferior die.
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I have to agree with that last statement. Let the world burn and roast marshmallows over the fire.
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I think it'd be practical to make transportation by pulley system.We wouldn't need any fuel.The carts in the air would be run on a geared zipline and we would be high in the air so we could shoot zombies from above and not have to worry about any hiding in the back of a car, Muerte and we wouldn't have to worry about running out of gas.
I don't mind sharing my ideas,that's what this thread is for isn't it?
When you're the only person surrounded by hungry zombies,I'm sure you'd also want some omnivore friends to keep your sanity.
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I think it'd be practical to make transportation by pulley system.We wouldn't need any fuel.The carts in the air would be run on a geared zipline and we would be high in the air so we could shoot zombies from above and not have to worry about any hiding in the back of a car, Muerte and we wouldn't have to worry about running out of gas.
I don't mind sharing my ideas,that's what this thread is for isn't it?
When you're the only person surrounded by hungry zombies,I'm sure you'd also want some omnivore friends to keep your sanity.
I really don't want to burst your bubble dear, but long range zip lines are not really all that viable. Also hiding in a house above ground is all well and good, but where are you going to get food and water to last the 3 - 4 years necessary for the dead to fall into a state of decay as to make them harmless, except in a bio-hazardous sort of way.
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I'm starting my plans now. lol. This is actually kind of fun.
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Im a good strategist everybody knows this but....for zombie invasion or whatever, i think as i go, im a very quick thinker im always paying attention to the enviorment
I got many plans if something like that ever happens, But like i said im always thinking as i go, thinking of every possible ending and every possible outcome
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Yeah,I was thinking about that being a problem. What about the way a ski lift works? I don't mean on it going extremely long distances,just from point to point.Say like,my house to the store.
At least from my vantage point I could exterminate the zombies in a faster pace as opposed to living underground.See,with your idea you're hoping that the zombies get nuked out and/or left to be killed by snipers such as myself,however,I'm having a conversation about this and I just realized that the elevated house would be more stressful to one's sanity vs. The bomb shelter as every night I would hear the zombies moans and attempts to climb up while in the bomb shelter you'd probably hear little to no zombie noise.
Either way,I suppose both forts would be stressful with the fear of getting eaten alive if you even dared to step out unprepared.
Come to think of it,I'm starting to like your idea better because it seems more accessible.I would like to alter your idea a bit and make it into a huge concrete enforced bunker. So you could hide out and be safe from the brain eaters and neutralize their numbers as well.
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Yeah,I was thinking about that being a problem. What about the way a ski lift works? I don't mean on it going extremely long distances,just from point to point.Say like,my house to the store.
At least from my vantage point I could exterminate the zombies in a faster pace as opposed to living underground.See,with your idea you're hoping that the zombies get nuked out and/or left to be killed by snipers such as myself,however,I'm having a conversation about this and I just realized that the elevated house would be more stressful to one's sanity vs. The bomb shelter as every night I would hear the zombies moans and attempts to climb up while in the bomb shelter you'd probably hear little to no zombie noise.
Either way,I suppose both forts would be stressful with the fear of getting eaten alive if you even dared to step out unprepared.
Come to think of it,I'm starting to like your idea better because it seems more accessible.I would like to alter your idea a bit and make it into a huge concrete enforced bunker. So you could hide out and be safe from the brain eaters and neutralize their numbers as well.
Ski lifts require power, and for that you need people to man the power company's generators. Buildings such as these would not be very inductive of survival during a zombie infestation, so I doubt that there will be much power to operate said lifts. Along with houses on stilts I would like to ask, how long before a mass of zombies (couple of thousand in city areas) pushes it over. Water flows along the less restrictive path, but the human (or zombie) body has an unrelenting mass, pack enough of it together and all that pressure will snap those supporting timbers.
As for staying in a bunker, no that’s not my plan, that’s just a suggestion for those people who do not already have their s**t together. My plan is much more involved, but ultimately necessary to the survival of those I allow to join with me. Those would be people who can contribute in major ways to the survival of the community. How about it Andrea. Do you have any special skills that would help in the survival of 100 or so people? (No I am not being perverted either, get your minds out of the gutter)
P.S. Everyone might want to take into account the fact that we need to find something to do with our excrement. Just because there are zombies does not mean we get to ignore all of the other health hazards out there.
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Well,seeing as how I'm going to be a nurse in less than a year I'm sure that'd help.
I'm skilled in sewing and mending clothes and even people,I want to be a surgical nurse so I can sew people up and tend to various other ailments.
I'm a great cook.I can cook for a hundred + I do that all the time anyway I'm head line chef.
I play guitar and sing.If there are other musicians around with instruments we can play songs and try and take some tension off of everyone.You'd be suprised how much music does for one's sanity/insanity/soul
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The first thing I'm going to do is steal keys to all the superstores around here. :roll:
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Ha,you're going to steak keys when you can just break into stores?
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Breaking into means I'll be leaving an unlock-able door or broken window behind me. Not smart when there are flesh-eating zombies on the loose. So, yeah. I want keys.
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Ha,all you need is an air pressure gun like in no country for old men.
I'm pretty sure Zombies would already be in the stores in the first place anyway.
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Glad to see everyone enjoying this thread, for my money a great safehouse would be an oil rig, deep ocean, so since they cant swim zombies arent even close, however oraganization would be key, weaponry would consist of guns, obviously, bu you do need a hand weapon in case you run low on bullets. My thought is get a small group of people, maybe 8 4 be in charge of ranged weapons and if any get within say 10 feet, the other feel deal in melee combat. This is while on land escaping or while doing a supply run.
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Supply runs would be what killed you all off. Besides, you get too many people in a group, and you always get a bleeding heart that wants to save someone and ends up getting half of you killed.
Sorry, Andrea... haven't seen that movie, so I dunno what you're referring to. lol
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id say one of the best things you could do would be to live in the middle of nowhere. Think about , low population density , so less chance of encounters. problem would be surviving there. youd need to know how to get food , build shelter ..etc. I can see the flaw here - supplies. you wouldnt stand any chance of finding supplies , medicine , ammo...
weapon of choice : Cheytac M200 - one of , if not the best sniper rifle in the world (currently) ticks all of the boxes for range , power and accuracy. would use an SA80 if they got too close ( that or id fight back with anything ive got)
i like whitedrake's idea about the oil rig. id love to sea zombies swim the ocean an get up into the rig. if i was there , id start to laugh at them. stupid zombies *<:)
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id say one of the best things you could do would be to live in the middle of nowhere. Think about , low population density , so less chance of encounters. problem would be surviving there. youd need to know how to get food , build shelter ..etc. I can see the flaw here - supplies. you wouldnt stand any chance of finding supplies , medicine , ammo...
weapon of choice : Cheytac M200 - one of , if not the best sniper rifle in the world (currently) ticks all of the boxes for range , power and accuracy. would use an SA80 if they got too close ( that or id fight back with anything ive got)
i like whitedrake's idea about the oil rig. id love to sea zombies swim the ocean an get up into the rig. if i was there , id start to laugh at them. stupid zombies *<:)
Adequate food supply would still be a problem, fishing in the ocean is not as easy as fishing in fresh water.
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true , cos in fresh water its easier to set traps to catch fish in. in the ocean , youd need a fishing trawler to get anywhere , and i could bet every sea-worthy boat would have been used to escape from infection on the mainland. Not to sure what the results would be if you only ate fish... dont think you can survive (well/healthy) on only fish.
WATER!! only place u could get drinking water would be to get it in , or evaportate sea water , leaving behind the salt and then condense the steam to get pure water... only problem is that id doubt youd be able to make enough to support a large quantity of people , let alone using precious fuel youd need for other things.
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Who's trying to save a large quantity of people here?? We're talking about saving your own ass. *<:)
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It is a good idea.the idea itself scares the s**t out of me though.I would feel very cornered in.
Who do you think would win.
Zombie or Shark?
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It is a good idea.the idea itself scares the s**t out of me though.I would feel very cornered in.
Who do you think would win.
Zombie or Shark?
Shark
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So then a question comes to mind.Would the shark turn into a zombie?
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Who's trying to save a large quantity of people here?? We're talking about saving your own ass. *<:)
lol true , i was trying to say that the water problem would be bad enough for you , let alone anyone else. I just started to rant :-o
So then a question comes to mind.Would the shark turn into a zombie?
im no expert on zombies (anyone here that is , speak! i could well be wrong). if eating infected meat could turn the thing that ate it into a zombie , then we'd have zombie sharks too... good idea not to go swimming then :|
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Well it could have a different effect on the shark, it could outright kill the shark or turn them into a mindless "zombie" shark, or it might not just effect them period i wouldnt know.
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Well it could have a different effect on the shark, it could outright kill the shark or turn them into a mindless "zombie" shark, or it might not just effect them period i wouldnt know.
A good point. To use a comparison, what happens when a human is bitten by a rabies infected animal? You get sick and the bite area is painful, if not treated it is possibly fatal, however people do not turn into frothing at the mouth monsters, not that anyone really needs rabies for that.
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Thanks Strife and Muerte.There are viruses and diseases that are predetermined to inflict their use on certain creatures/animals.
Great example with rabies Muerte.
A zombie bitten shark could not even be affected by his flesh eating attacker.
There's even a possibility that the shark could get bitten by a zombie and be a carrier of the virus so when the shark bites its next human prey it could turn that person into a zombie.
Either way,it raises many questions.
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indeed.. wether it could cross the species barrier is one thing. Amongst different species of mamals , maybe.. but to an entirely different kingdom? That would be interesting. a virus that infects mamals , working on fish too...
A good point. To use a comparison, what happens when a human is bitten by a rabies infected animal? You get sick and the bite area is painful, if not treated it is possibly fatal, however people do not turn into frothing at the mouth monsters, not that anyone really needs rabies for that.
Sorry Muerte ,but in if you get rabies and dont recieve in time , its practically fatal , with few people actually surviving the infection with no treatment. But if you do get treated in time , they can prevent death. Certianly , there isnt frothing at the mouth , but its a disease with affects the brain which can cause victims to lash out , not to mention they have an inability to swallow water. sorry if you already knew this , just though id point out some information - i have no idea yet who knows what , still looking around forums.. etc.. i do see people seem to hail you as a god it seems (lol?)... just dont smite down the newbie >.<
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No need to worry Lupus, I like it when there is someone who does their homework. My example was simply to illustrate the difference in an infection between two species of mamals, the fact that it reacts differently in incubation, reaction, and treatment (Like the fact that if we do get it, it can be treated and in some cases it is actually fought off). As long as the facts you use are sound they will be accepted. I only smite down the purposefuly ignorant, so far, from what I see, you do not fit within that catagory.
Here is why I say "If not treated it is possibly fatal".
http://www3.jsonline.com/news/state/nov04/274800.asp (http://www3.jsonline.com/news/state/nov04/274800.asp)
As you can see from the article the people who survived did not recieve immediate attention, in one renoun case it was a full 30 days before treatment was recieved. Point being is that it is possible to survive such a virulent disease, while in the animal kingdom, well they get it and they die, no treatment will help to save them.
P.S. I do not and will never consider myself a "God", but thx for that little vote of confidence. No I am simply a person with way too much time and an overactive mind.
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interesting... i did come across a few of these cases but i was focusing on the overall trend. lol its good your not letting the "god" comment go to your head. ive come across enough arrogant individuals on the net to last more than a lifetime.. anyway! :focus: the zombies will feel left out
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I would possibly have around 10-20 people. Find a warehouse. Use the boxes to make forts and fortify the doors.
Send people in small groups to find supplies for our survival. :-D
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10-20 people? you obviously have more faith in humanity than i do lol.. id only consider a max of 4 people , otherwise a large group attracts to much attention
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I agree with lupus more ppl more risk
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What about spreading them into groups? Like 4-5 people per group? We all go to the same place while we may attract less attention. :-)
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it might work i suppose , if you had the groups leave at different times and not at the same , otherwise you would be more spread out , which wouldnt solve the attention problem and also get rid of the advantage of numbers. i guess for it to work everyone would have to be dead certain about the plan , otherwise it could all go wrong
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You are quite right...
It would need some serious planning or we could all be screwed.
But I would also have to take consideration to the groups skills and their hold of the terror that is zombies to not freak out and screw everything up. :laugh: :-D
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yep , especailly if they were confronted with an ex friend now zombie.. would they shoot it?
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Who here knows who is more unpredictable than a zombie?
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well , at least the zombie wants to eat you :-o ... its people you want to watch out for
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You guys almost make me want to share my plan, but then it would fark it all up. I have shared it with two others here at Monstrous so you can be certain it not only is viable, but it is able to incorporate a rather impressive small community. To be invited you must demonstrate some skill that would contribute to the overall survival of said community.
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Exactly.Its homans that can't be trusted.
Muerte:I can sew,cook,shoot,and nurse ailments,wounds,etc.
I'm not another idiot whose gonna get the whole troup killed.I believe in watching my own back not trusting people and that's what saves our asses in the end.Yeah,we have to hava a common trust amongst eachother but when it really comes down to it,people are idiots.
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Well , i live in the UK but anyway.
i know survival skills , first aid and stuff about guns.(still have 20/20 vision and can see well in the dark)
its more important though to use common sense and work as a team. Dont look before you leap , or go and make a stupid decision without taking into account all the other options available. Working as a team is vital , because at one point , somebody will make a mistake as tiredness and lack of sleep sets in , so hopefully the other will pick up on it and correct the problem before it gets out of hand. Stay where you have the advantage e.g. dont go through the undergound because its quicker , take the longer but safer route.
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The more people in your group the more dangerous and the more mistakes people make.
Yes,I'm not saying being isolated is the best with lesser numbers it just makes things easier. A group of 2-10 is ideal 5 being the best.
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yep , you cant expect to save the entire world
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I would stay in a group of 4-5 people
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same strife
4-5 people i know very well
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Yup 5 is the perefect number of people.
4 does fine but that extra person can be very useful or risky but at least they're not the 30th person in your group you have to worry about that got bitten and didn't tell anyone.
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true. thats just the worst type of person in my opinion - one who gets bitten and doesnt tell anyone , could end up getting the entire group killed with their own selfishness
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There is allways at least one!
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Hmm...... if everyone here were dumped in a zombie apocalypse, and we had to survive as a group, who'd get us all killed?
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thats the kind of post that kills the convo lol >.< good question too , and awkward to answer.
erm.. if someone got into trouble in the group , i'd probably try to help them within reason. but as my friends know , if i got bitten , i'd pull the trigger and that'd be that.
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That's hard to say Raz.We don't interact with eachother in reality so we don't know how we'd act and who'd get us killed.
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damit! the obvious escaped me lol :-D .
very good point too
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Hmm...... if everyone here were dumped in a zombie apocalypse, and we had to survive as a group, who'd get us all killed?
That's an easy one, D2 would be the most likely of candidates, though I think the stenchies have already gotten him, since no one has seen him in over a month now.
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howd ya get that tiny 2?
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Sup script, it's in the second row above the emotion icons. 2 2
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Exactly.Its homans that can't be trusted.
Muerte:I can sew,cook,shoot,and nurse ailments,wounds,etc.
I'm not another idiot whose gonna get the whole troup killed.I believe in watching my own back not trusting people and that's what saves our asses in the end.Yeah,we have to hava a common trust amongst eachother but when it really comes down to it,people are idiots.
Thats too true. People are idiots, well, most of humanity anyways. Most people I see here are quite smart as well as informative.
I don't belive many of you guys here fall into that category. (The idiots)
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All the idiots have been weeded out with our dark sarcasm,haha.
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ah yes , sarcasm. where would we be without it?
dont forget brutal logic - that always helps thin their numbers out too
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It's good for another to see things my way. Moloch, your insightfullness interests me greatly. :-)
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Me thinks that moloch's ego would prefer that you see things his way and not the other way around. :banplea:
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Momo's ego would prefer to bash it into your skull one blow at a time. *<:)
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Momo's ego would have to get off me first.
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Like Momo himself, his Ego is infinite. You should realize by now that there is no place to hide, nor anyway to escape, for it has already outdistanced you before you have even decided to run.
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But he can't be everywhere or else everyone would be momo. ergo i retreat into myself! Ha! I got away from his ego by retreating into my own! :-D
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But he can't be everywhere or else everyone would be momo. ergo i retreat into myself! Ha! I got away from his ego by retreating into my own! :-D
Must be pretty cramped in there though.
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Nope. You know what they say about empty heads. :-P
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The best way to survive a zombie outbreak in my opinion is to put on some nikes and a jogging suit. After pick up a backpack filled with twinkies and mtn. dew. Then your pretty much set. Just run around and scavenge off other survivors until theyre dead then you can run around until you find more. :gun:
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The best way to survive a zombie outbreak in my opinion is to put on some nikes and a jogging suit. After pick up a backpack filled with twinkies and mtn. dew. Then your pretty much set. Just run around and scavenge off other survivors until theyre dead then you can run around until you find more. :gun:
Well you can mooch of me if you are willing to walk a mile behind me with a hat that has a flashing light on it. You must also wear a sign that says "meatshield" So that other survivors won't bother you. (Trust me none of them will even go near you) I'll also give you a gun if you want (with ammo). Now i'll give you a choice you can either walk in front of me or behind me or even to the side of me. But if you don't agree to these terms then you can't mooch off me.
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Hahahahahahahaha Matthew that was Brilliant *<:) *<:)
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The best way to survive a zombie outbreak in my opinion is to put on some nikes and a jogging suit. After pick up a backpack filled with twinkies and mtn. dew. Then your pretty much set. Just run around and scavenge off other survivors until theyre dead then you can run around until you find more. :gun:
And it is this fine example of intelligence that will cause the majority of humanity to become nothing more than putrid eating machines. Way to go messenger, I hope you enjoy the post apocalyptic world, all 5 minutes of it you survive.
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Ah yes the zombie hoards should they attack. Well let's see. Your best bet is to in my theory of the situation is to find a place high up with at least three exits that are well sealed from the inside. The reason for the high up is it's always good to have a birds eye view so you can see what's coming. But it is also good to keep your sent out of the wind. Now their are some down falls to this. One you can be surrounded or cut off from your exit point if you only have one. So make sure you have a few lick a zip line to another building. Also seal off the bottom floors completely. Make your exits well but don't make them easy entries. as far as food goes stock up on the canned goods. Their neat easy and precooked. Also if you can manage some home made grenades would be very handy as well as some sharp pointed objects. More like swords or bow and a few hundred arrows. I would say guns but they run out of ammo quick and they are heavy. Were as a sword can be light, resharpened, useful for more than just killing, and come in many shapes and sizes. A Bow you can always make more arrows and shoot from far distances, but unlike the gun can be very light. They other thing you need to do is set up some kind of early warning system so you know their coming in case you fall asleep. You must sleep very important madness is not a good thing to have when fighting a near unstoppable force. Also it would be a good ideal to set traps the more you can get into a small confined area the more you can kill at one time without risk. Last when getting supplies make sure you stock up not only on food but things like bandages, medicine, fuel and a good truck ( something that sits high off the ground and if you can is built to not let anything in when your not in it ). Last if you must travel. Do so in groups, try to have transportation, stock up on fuel, and don't drive like an idiot. That's not everything but do this things and you will be on the right path for survival.....
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The best way to survive a zombie outbreak in my opinion is to put on some nikes and a jogging suit. After pick up a backpack filled with twinkies and mtn. dew. Then your pretty much set. Just run around and scavenge off other survivors until theyre dead then you can run around until you find more. :gun:
And what, pray tell good sir, will you do when you get tired of "running around"?? You think twinkies are going to give your body fuel to keep moving?? Or would that be the Mt. Dew?
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The best way to survive a zombie outbreak in my opinion is to put on some nikes and a jogging suit. After pick up a backpack filled with twinkies and mtn. dew. Then your pretty much set. Just run around and scavenge off other survivors until theyre dead then you can run around until you find more. :gun:
And what, pray tell good sir, will you do when you get tired of "running around"?? You think twinkies are going to give your body fuel to keep moving?? Or would that be the Mt. Dew?
This is what will cause the end of the world i tell ya....Stupidity :doh:
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If it were stupidity at its finest, it would at least be laughable.... alas, it is not so.
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If it were stupidity at its finest, it would at least be laughable.... alas, it is not so.
Yea to true Desh.
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:wink:
I think my wheat thins have fermented.....
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yeah.Id research the twinkie and mt dem binge.you will have a sugar/caffeine crash and pass out leaving your nike sneakers for a zombie in need of a good running shoe for tracking down your loved ones. Give me my sanity and a gun paired with my nursing skills.COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO LIVE.
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yeah.Id research the twinkie and mt dem binge.you will have a sugar/caffeine crash and pass out leaving your nike sneakers for a zombie in need of a good running shoe for tracking down your loved ones. Give me my sanity and a gun paired with my nursing skills.COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO LIVE.
Oh my no, It's the Zombie Terminator!
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lol.I just realized I was overthinking it all.Whats the point in forting up when zombies rule? I dont know about you but I enjoy the little things like feeling the sunlight on my skin,listening to music at high decibels,walk around care free without worrying about a zombie chomping on my jugular. That is why when the time comes I wont be purely hiding in a puddle of my own piss but exterminating them off one by one...after I break down,go through denial,anger,sadness,drink my last drink,pick up my weapon and make sure I have another drink after the apocolypse.
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Andrea, you now have an invitation to my Post Apocalyptic Paradise, after all, I am sure we could use a few physicians.
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I accept.Im willing to lend a hand.Hopefully our computers still send and receive data when that time comes,and if not,I have family in Michigan and will meet up there.
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Barricade myself inside a Wal Mart Supercenter with tons of ammo and guns.... go on the roof.... and play "head shots" the live version. *<:)
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I accept.Im willing to lend a hand.Hopefully our computers still send and receive data when that time comes,and if not,I have family in Michigan and will meet up there.
You would be heading in the right direction, and as for computers, alls you need is a server, and I am sure there is one where I am headed.
Barricade myself inside a Wal Mart Supercenter with tons of ammo and guns.... go on the roof.... and play "head shots" the live version. *<:)
You silly :-D .
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Silly like a rock!! :-P
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Silly like a rock!! :-P
Silly like a clown ( a killer clown that it is *<:) )
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Silly like a rock!! :-P
Silly like a clown ( a killer clown that it is *<:) )
Aww... Thank you, Muerte.... and remember, flattery will only get you so far! *<:)
Barricade myself inside a Wal Mart Supercenter with tons of ammo and guns.... go on the roof.... and play "head shots" the live version. *<:)
Think you've just found the solution that has support from the scientific community!! According to mathematics a ... well read for yourselves....
http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/090928-zombies.html (http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/090928-zombies.html)
Aw, damn. Now I know I'm screwed. :doh:
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Those experiments don't seem to factor in the ability of a particle to eliminate the infected, or for the infected to be lured away by loud flashy lights.
We as a species are nothing if not loud, flashy, and violent.
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:gun: Seriously how much more can I cover this issue? A side from drawling blue prints up for exact vehicular specs and modifications I think what I posted already covers all angles. by all means if I missed any let me know and I'll fill in what it is I missed. If Their is any more questions feel free to ask. But here it is again in a nut shell.....
Ah yes the zombie hoards should they attack. Well let's see. Your best bet is to in my theory of the situation is to find a place high up with at least three exits that are well sealed from the inside. The reason for the high up is it's always good to have a birds eye view so you can see what's coming. But it is also good to keep your sent out of the wind. Now their are some down falls to this. One you can be surrounded or cut off from your exit point if you only have one. So make sure you have a few lick a zip line to another building. Also seal off the bottom floors completely. Make your exits well but don't make them easy entries. as far as food goes stock up on the canned goods. Their neat easy and precooked. Also if you can manage some home made grenades would be very handy as well as some sharp pointed objects. More like swords or bow and a few hundred arrows. I would say guns but they run out of ammo quick and they are heavy. Were as a sword can be light, resharpened, useful for more than just killing, and come in many shapes and sizes. A Bow you can always make more arrows and shoot from far distances, but unlike the gun can be very light. They other thing you need to do is set up some kind of early warning system so you know their coming in case you fall asleep. You must sleep very important madness is not a good thing to have when fighting a near unstoppable force. Also it would be a good ideal to set traps the more you can get into a small confined area the more you can kill at one time without risk. Last when getting supplies make sure you stock up not only on food but things like bandages, medicine, fuel and a good truck ( something that sits high off the ground and if you can is built to not let anything in when your not in it ). Last if you must travel. Do so in groups, try to have transportation, stock up on fuel, and don't drive like an idiot. That's not everything but do this things and you will be on the right path for survival.....
Sincerely
Your Friend
Richie
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Since you wish it.
We have already covered the draw backs to shutting yourself up within a higher structure. The fact remains that if you can get down, they will be able to get up. Also with zip lines. Unless they are already in place you would have very little time to install them in such numbers as to make them viable. Remember that the Undead communicate amongst themselves, if one knows you are there, then sooner rather than later there will be hundreds. The longer you are there the more there are to accumulated. A few hundred zombies will be able to swam a rather large area in a fairly short amount of time.
Another problem would be food. Dry goods are a decent Idea, but for the long haul they are going to run out on you. The infestation will not last only a few weeks or months, but it will last for years. (and in those intervening years your shelter, or should I specify the supports, will be undergoing a continuous assault, for the dead hunger too). In so saying you are going to have to have a renewable food source in order to survive. A renewable food source brings up the issue of water.
Water is one issue you failed to mention. The human body can not survive without a fresh supplie of water, how would you get the water up into your high rise fort? Can not claim that you have a hand pump handy, for those take a bit of time to install, also you will not be able to rely on your electric pumps to continue providing you water, for sooner rather than later the power companies are going to go kaput. It might be possible that you made your fort out of an abandoned building that has a water tower installed on top, but those are very old school and virtually non-exhistant, on top of that, the water will only last a finite amount of time. Oh you can open the top and let the rain attempt to fill it, but I wish you good luck with that idea. Without water to clean with and to drink you will not have to worry about zombies, disease or dehydration will be what do you in instead.
Swords are only to used as a last resort. Do you honestly believe that you are going to be able to sever heads that easily? The human body is more resilient than most think, and it wears down an edge almost as quickly as wood does. Sooner rather than later you will be left with a dull sword and a rather large crowd of hungry zombies. Blunt instruments are the way to go if you are forced to melee, after all, it is much easier to break a bone than it is to sever a body part. Bow and arrow are the best way to go. Reason being is you can recover spent ammo or make more. With guns you get mechanical problems and ammo is harder to come by or even to make.
As for traveling in groups. Well, if you want to, but I see groups as a weakness. If one falls behind or is injured, then the entire group tends to put itself at risk for the one, then your group becomes nothing more than a mobile feeding trough.
I will stop there Wasbi, for I think I have made my point. I didn't want to, but the assumption that your plan was the best viable one, well.......it needs a little more thought.
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Yeah!! What Muerte said!! And........... and............. bite me!! Nah nee nah nee boo boo!!!
*<:) *<:) *<:) *<:) *<:)
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Ah A Challenge. i Except. Ok were To start.
High rise Fortress. If you stay in a high rise fortress lets say like a three store building for instance. First of you can bring water with you and store it as it does not need to be refrigerated. The other thing is water can always be collected on rainy days and if you are planning on being in one place for a while then use rash-ins. As far as a food source if you are on a building and you have the bottom floor sealed off completely then you your self are screwed. You always have to have some kind of exit plan. However an exit doesn't always make an entrance.
Food if you have a roof in which you can be a top then you can grow food. It's not that hard but i recommend not staying in one place for too long unless you have to. You can always scavenge for more food if need be.
The tall building ideal. Yes true it would be hard to install zip lines right away. However if you are planning on making this a permanent place to hold up then i would think you would give your self the time needed to install certain security options. One a second building you can escape to that is secured ( zip line), sealing off of the first floor completely, supplies to last you a week or to ( MRE's, Water, Can Goods), weapons, and blankets.
Now weapons. I did mention a sword and bow and arrows as a means of defense. The reason was not to limit you to just these weapons but to keep what you bring light. If you are carrying a bunch of guns and ammo I don't care if your Arnold Zwartinager it's going to be heavy and your not going to be able to move very fast. However i would still have some guns and ammo on hand. But for your scavenging I keep what you bring light and if you can travel in groups cause you will need to be able to carry things. I also recommend some home made grenades. Their easy to make, light, and can be used to blow down a group instead of just on or two. If you can get your hands on some tnt more power to you. If not improvise.
Other than that it is important to have some form of transportation. I recommend large, strong, and good on gas. With maybe a few modifications.
Yes I realize a lot of the things i listed require a bit of time. However if people can manage to find time to do these things in the middle of a war I am sure we being bright people can do the same. Not saying itwill be done over night but one day at a time.
If I left anything out please let me know.....
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Oh gods....... I am NOT reading all that crap. If you'd summarize it, that'd be great. Thanks. :-D
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High rise Fortress. If you stay in a high rise fortress lets say like a three store building for instance. First of you can bring water with you and store it as it does not need to be refrigerated. The other thing is water can always be collected on rainy days and if you are planning on being in one place for a while then use rations.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0826/is_6_17/ai_80897724/ (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0826/is_6_17/ai_80897724/)
The above article will help clarify water needs, but the most important portion is here in this quote.
For the most part, a healthy adult should strive to consume between two and three quarts of water per day.
Nominally that means half a gallon a day, after 30 days that equals out to 15 gallons a month. Thats just drinking water. Now we need to address water to wash both yourself and your cloths (oh and cooking, let's not forget that little detail). In one month you could use up to say 40 gallons (and I am being very generous as the average for one persons consumption of water daily is more in the range of 70 gallons) I do not believe that it rains that much anywhere except for possible the Rain Forest.
Food if you have a roof in which you can be a top then you can grow food.
And you will grow it in what? Roof tile, concrete? You need soil, and good soil to boot. Do not expect to drag a few yards of any old dirt up to the roof of a building and have it work, and oh damn, there is more water you are going to need. A tricky issue that water.
The tall building ideal. Yes true it would be hard to install zip lines right away. However if you are planning on making this a permanent place to hold up then i would think you would give your self the time needed to install certain security options. One a second building you can escape to that is secured ( zip line)
I will address this in conjunction with your war time comment.
Now weapons. I did mention a sword and bow and arrows as a means of defense. The reason was not to limit you to just these weapons but to keep what you bring light. If you are carrying a bunch of guns and ammo I don't care if your Arnold Zwartinager it's going to be heavy and your not going to be able to move very fast. However i would still have some guns and ammo on hand. But for your scavenging I keep what you bring light and if you can travel in groups cause you will need to be able to carry things. I also recommend some home made grenades. Their easy to make, light, and can be used to blow down a group instead of just on or two. If you can get your hands on some tnt more power to you. If not improvise.
I can agree with this assessment.
Yes I realize a lot of the things i listed require a bit of time. However if people can manage to find time to do these things in the middle of a war I am sure we being bright people can do the same. Not saying itwill be done over night but one day at a time.
You always have to have some kind of exit plan. However an exit doesn't always make an entrance.
These comments along with the time to install ziplines can be addressed all together. People find time during war to accomplish things because (unless you are a key target) you are not under constant bombardment. There is time because the enemy is not interested in you once they have passed through. Zombies on the other hand are not going to patiently wait off to the side while you spend a few days preparing you comfy little fort. And as I have said before, where you find one of the undead you will find more, and then more, and then even more. It is a time constraint you have to deal with, so what ever you do you need to do it as quickly as possible or come up with a new plan.
And I must say, you are more fun than someone else I could mention. At least you will stand for your ideas/beliefs. I commend you, may we see each other on other debates as well.
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right.
about growing stuff on the roof. yes , they do have these on buildings.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/20080708_Chicago_City_Hall_Green_Roof.JPG (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/20080708_Chicago_City_Hall_Green_Roof.JPG)
this one is in Chicago , but its time for me to rain on Wasabi Richie's parade.
as you can see from this pic , there isnt much in the way of plants - only grasses grow here.
and i doubt the soil on the roof has sufficeint minerals ( nitrates , phosphates etc...) to support crops. Bear in mind that farmers used to leave certain fields clear for a year or so for nitrates in the soil to recover. (just so you know why im rambling on about nitrates , its cos nitrogen is needed in building protien , and nitrogen can be taken from nitrates.) Ok , thats the technical bit over.
Tall building?
how about a highrise block of flats? those will of course have pipes , so you can get water to the very top floors.
if you feel strongly about living , you'll want to destroy every staircase there , so they cant get up. This is a job for explosives , which i doubt you'd come across. Home made explosives wouldnt do the job well enough.
Weapons.
thank god you havent gone and said you'd use the Desert Eagle.50AE . Its highly impractical , short range , powerful thanks to the .50 rounds it uses , but as a consequnce it had only 7 bullets per mag. Great capacity eh?
Again , nice job with the home made explosives. just be careful when u use them. otherwise enjoy the fireworks.
a good place to hold would be an army barracks. my local one is pretty secure , and will of course have ample supplies. Ammo , medical equipment , food , fuel.
however , as muerte quite rightly says , zombies in short are relentless. They'll just keep attacking , and you wont sleep much , or get much time to rest. People cant fight well when theyre sleep deprived , let alone function.
so , the best option really is to have some little fort of your own prepared , with everything thought through before the undead rise
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so , the best option really is to have some little fort of your own prepared , with everything thought through before the undead rise
I'll refer everyone back to my post about the Wal Mart supercenter.. :roll: Although, I did use the wrong word.... I meant warehouse. No... gods dammit... what the hell is that thing called???? It's a wal mart, but it's not.... sunuvabeach....
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The water must be stored in a cool place or else it will evaporate at a rapid rate. I will be searching the farm country far and wide for zombies to blow away Im sure I will pass by corn crops on the way as there are many in Texas. But as far as growing a garden on a roof that could totally work.As Muerte mentioned you will need good soil,which wont be a problem I hear home depot has great soil this time of year. :-) As for the zipline idea,I too thought it was a great idea...I pondered it over and came to the conclusion that mainting the ziplines will not be worth the work(fiddling around at the bottom with your hands full leaves you defenseless).Furthermore,what goes up must come down.Physics should be utilized when making your zipline blueprints.You need to take in account how much you weigh,at what angle you will position your line,stability with weather conditions,and lastly materials. Obviously,the first and most important goal is to stay alive.These ziplines might help if you need a quick escape,but what do you do when you go flying off in front of hundreds of zombies? You honestly think you would kill them all and run back to your 3 exited deathtrap in time? I think not. We can not approach this like a video game when its game over it really is game over.We can not approach this like a movie we will not have stunt doubles so we dont need to be risking our lives in high wire acts. We can not all just hide away.I assure you,the government will not rescue you immedietly.
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SAM'S CLUB!!!!!!
Remembered what it was called. Hehe. :-D
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really , if you think about it....
in zombie apoclaypse , the only certainty you have is this - its you versus the world.
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Which is why we should all learn how to fly.
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I will be searching the farm country far and wide for zombies to blow away Im sure I will pass by corn crops on the way as there are many in Texas. But as far as growing a garden on a roof that could totally work
I see that you assume that the zombies will oblige you and initiate their rising at a time when you can benefit from corn ready to harvest. And this also applies to growing plants - on rooftops or elsewhere. How will you handle the food issue if the attack occurs in late autumn or early winter. Then you must calculate with 3-5 months until you can plant seeds and another 2-3 months until you have something to harvest.
I'm not sure about this, but you obviously must plan ahead and stock up on basic foods BEFORE the zombies attack. Have a defendable retreat, where you already keep some livestock and grow assorted plants for food and medicine. A well INSIDE the perimeter takes care of the water problem.
I see that you assume that vegetables do not grow during the winter. Winter Squash,Chard,and Rhubarb are a just a couple of examples that do just fine during the cold season. I have a garden with these vegetables in addition to the summer and spring variety. It doesn't really matter if they are grown on the roof or not. Good soil,moderate sunlight,and water is all they need. I get my water for free.I put buckets in my backyard and collect rainwater then water the garden with that. I have a compost pile by my garden I use for it's soil.All of these items can easily be transported.As for drinking I don't think I'd want to drink from a well,I'd rather boil my water.If nature won't provide my walter then good ol wal mart will.Heck like kadesh said, I'll make a stop at sams club. Lifestock? Really? Um,no thanks.I don't want to slaughter a cow all by myself just to eat and get slaughtered by zombies in the long smelly process. That's just asking to get killed.. I'd rather eat fish they are more accesible and less expensive than a damn cow...easier to aquire and prepare.
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not to mention chickens. My grandma taught me how to kill al live one,pluck,remove the entrails,and cook. Fruits,vegetables,grains,and small animals will do the job. A good supply of canned goods will be very useful when and if nature fails.
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Gods, this is starting to sound like "The Village" only with zombies! *<:) *<:)
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No one yet has addressed the issue of proper depth of soil for healthy plants. Oh wait, I guess I just did didn't I?
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No one yet has addressed the issue of proper depth of soil for healthy plants. Oh wait, I guess I just did didn't I?
more an issue of available minerals. i mean , tropical rainforest has a very thin layer of soil , yet there's still a vast amount of plant life.
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I am going to add this to the discussion. I think it has plenty of revelant information for us to chew over.
http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/soils/depth.html (http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/soils/depth.html)
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wow amazing how it went from simple theory to the growth of roof top plant life. I love it..... Got to see it from all angle.....
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wow amazing how it went from simple theory to the growth of roof top plant life. I love it..... Got to see it from all angle.....
I agree Lady, also talking out hypothetical situations in this way allows us to adapt these scenarios to real life situations.
Also I am now going to tell everyone how to get water from the ground floor to the top. You simply remove the electric water pump with a hand crank pump. In two hours you will be able to supply yourself with all the water you need. Now how do you keep the water from ruining the roof and causing it to collapse in on itself?
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run off drains that spill over out of gutters or ppc tube and then the water pump gets that water again...so its a filter system like a fountain that is continuous.
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Hasn't anyone even thought of the panic that would set in if the zombie apocalypse happened?
People would be stealing from stores and killing other humans for things, most of those humans would be the first to die. So I think I should stay in my house and beat the s**t out of anything that is a zombie or scavenger that comes in my house. After the panic dies, I'll go out there with my family, find my friends, if they still live, then find a perfect place to hide away in and use as a base of operations. Well I also live in Texas, so I have no clue what sort of advantages could be here.
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I think everyone understands the panic and sheer chaos that would happen the moment of realization, just seems like that kind of thing is assumed with people.