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MonsterVision => Classic Horror => Topic started by: Gojira54 on May 01, 2005, 04:02:20 PM
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KINGKONG vs. GODZILLA THE WHOLE STORY
There has been so much debate about this one movie on who won KingKong or Godzilla. This debate has been going on for decades but I will tell you who won and who didnt and how this movie came to be made in the first place. The story gets it start here in the USA back in 1933 after Kingkong was made and it became an international success Willis O brien wanted to make a 2nd movie with Kingkong. O brien thought of a Kingkong vs. Frankenstien movie seen that Kong and Frankenstien were the 2 most famous monsters of the 1930s it made sense. O Brien pitched his idea but he was unsuccessful in his efferts on getting people intersted.
Decades later some time after Godzilla Raids again was made 1955 by Toho studios in Japan Toho was thinking about a 3rd Godzilla movie. Toho made a few more giant monster movies in the 50s then started to think whoGodzilla could fight in a 3rd movie. The idea of a giant hairy monster came up. This monster would be god like and electricity would make this hairy monster even stronger. The monsters name was the Ginko and it was almost as big as Godzilla himself. Just one problem there was not enough money to fund the movie. Toho executives went to America to see if they could get backing for their new movie idea. A meeting had been set up at Universal and one executive at Universal rememberd Willis O Briens KingKong vs. Frankenstien idea. The executive said he would help fund the movie if the Ginkos name was changed to KingKong. Toho agreed and Toho made Kingkong vs. Godzilla. The Ginko was 45 meters tall but now it was renamed Kingkong. The script was changed to explain that it was electricity that made KingKong big and powerful. The original storyline for the movie has Godzilla killing kingKong at the end of the movie. Godzilla pushes Kong off a cliff then godzilla blasts Kingkong to death with his atomic ray. This scene was filmed but the scene was reshot as Universal studios thought the idea of an American monster being killed by a Japanese monster might not go well with American audences. Therefore the ending of Kingkong vs. Godzilla was reshot having both monsters fall off the cliff then have kingKong swim away and godzilla return to the sea and have him roar at the end. The movie ends in a tie.
There is a japanese movie reffrnce book that has a picture of the Godzilla killingkingKong death scene the book is titled Godzilla 2nd it is a hardbound book the book was written by Osamu Kishikawa and the picture is on page 16. The question remains who really won between Godzilla and KingKong? Well Toho studios went along and changed the ending of Kingkong vs. Godzilla on the condition that if any future Godzilla movies are made they will get released in the USA. That was the deal and even though Universal delted Godzillas roar at the end of the movie making it seem like Kong won the fight. It is Godzilla who had all his movies released here in the USA. After Kingkong vs. Godzilla there was Kingkong Escapes 1967 then DinoDeLaurentis made KingKong 76 and a sequel in 86. There are only 7 Kingkong movies compare that to Godzilla who has 28 movies. If you want to know who really won I would say Godzilla. KingKong vs. Godzilla was made in 1962 the same year Willis O brien died his dream of another Kingkong movie had indeed come true.
Oddly enough Toho movie studios made a movie about a giant Frankenstien monster in 1965 titled Frankenstien Conquers the world. Last year Godzilla got a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame he is the only movie monster to get a Star. And now you know THE WHOLE STORY. David Nunez Gojira11354
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i herd in the american version they made king kong win
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Hi Sybon you are correct when KingKong vs. Godzilla was made in 1962 the movie ended in a tie with KingKong swimming away and Godzilla returning to the sea and roaring at the movies end. When the movie came to the USA in 1963 Godzillas roar was deleted from the movie so you could not hear his roar at the end of the movie. This gave the impression to movie goers here in the USA that KingKong won. I have seen the original uncut Japanese version of Kingkong vs. Godzilla and the movie has a tie ending Kingkong does not beat Godzilla nor does Godzilla defeat Kingkong. The major diffrences in both versions are that American actor Michael Keith plays the part of news reporter Eric Carter and the role of Dr.Arnold Johnson is played by Harry Holcombe. John Beck directed the english version of KingKong vs. Godzilla meaning just the parts that have Michael Keith and Harry Holcombe in them. Ishiro Honda directed the rest of the movie. The original Japanese title for Kingkong vs. Godzilla is KinguKongu Tai Gojira which means Kingkong vs. Godzilla. The movie opened in Japan August 11th 1962 and opened in America June 3rd 1963. The original uncut movie is 98 minutes long while the USA version is 90 minutes. This movie was also the 1st Godzilla movie that was filmed in color both Godzilla 1954 & Godzilla Raids Again 1955 were filmed in B&W. KingKong vs. Godzilla 1962 is the only Godzilla movie that made more money than Godzilla 1954 out of all the old Godzilla movies from the Showa series Kingkong vs. Godzilla made $11,200.000 while Godzilla in 1954 made $9,610,000. David Nunez Gojira11354
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Can't wait to see the new Peter Jackson King Kong!
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/mannabreadeater/kong.gif)
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That little pic is great. I wish I had one of Godzilla as well.
I'd like to see a remake of these two monsters fighting each other. One that explians the size difference when they battle and those electro hands of Kongs.
Richard Vasseur
http://www.jazmaonline.com
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I love the old monster movies from Japan. Slowly but surely I'm collecting them.
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I love them too i've seen Godzilla 1988, Godzilla destroy all mosters, Godzilla vs destroyer, Godzilla vs King Gidora, Godzilla vs The Sea Monster and Godzilla vs King Kong.I even have the game Godzilla saves earth.
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A few years ago, I came across a book on King Kong. According to this book (name and author I cannot remember...sorry), it is the original King Kong movie that was envisioned by Willis O'Brien as King King vs. Frankenstein. At this point (sometime after the Lost World came out, only two Frankenstein versions were out, the short subject by Thomas Edision's film company (1910) and the now lost Life Without Soul (1915). Eventually, the plan fell through.
Fast forward a few years. Karloff has made Frankenstein a hit, and the idea for Kong was revived by O'Brien. King Kong finally hit the screen in 1933.
I'm not saying the story I read is 100% true, but it should be remembered that Frankenstein was being used by Universal, and Kong was on RKO.
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wow in the movie
king kong was to big
godzilla is like wa a a a ay bigger
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like ya godzilla is the size of the twin towers and kong is the size of a 2 story building
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I hate comparisons between Gojira and Kong.
They're two entirely different things.
American giant monsters were always a lot smaller than Japanese monsters. Maybe we don't have to compensate :-P
But Japanese monsters are ridiculously huge, and were usually meant to symbolize something like nuclear weapons or destructive natural disasters.
Whereas the American monster were just giant monsters for us to kill and look awesome.
Personally, I prefer the American ones.
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I prefer hanibal lechter or Kain from LOK but thats just me. :lol:
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I hate comparisons between Gojira and Kong.
They're two entirely different things.
American giant monsters were always a lot smaller than Japanese monsters. Maybe we don't have to compensate :-P
But Japanese monsters are ridiculously huge, and were usually meant to symbolize something like nuclear weapons or destructive natural disasters.
Whereas the American monster were just giant monsters for us to kill and look awesome.
Personally, I prefer the American ones.
I have to agree
but I do like the tri-star godzilla
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Speaking Japanese monsters versus American monsters. In Godzilla End Wars, the Japanese Godzilla stomped all over the American version. It was very good since the American version of Godzilla sucked beyond all belief.
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Exuse-moi s'il vous plaît, pouvez-vous dire à nouveau que.
American godzillia could and always will beat the Jap one
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I'll have to disagree with ya on that one Terror.
I think the american Godzilla was a joke.
What was he again...an iguana that got mutated by nuclear testing...wth?
I'll stick with Gojira:D
(Though I did like the taco bell commercials for the american movie)
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Don't call that pathetic, scrawny lizard by the sacred name of Godzilla.
It's name is GINO
Godzilla In Name Only.
The one true GOJIRA is the one that hails from the Land of the Rising Sun.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5821/godzillafinalwars200408cy7.jpg)
Oh, by the way...In the Godzilla: Final Wars movies, the Japanese and American Godzillas battled. Guess who won? Yep, the Japanese one.
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Guess who made the movie..... :doh:
Here is the thing I dislike the american movie because they killed godzilla...wth...Godzilla cant be killed by a missile.
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The American made one can...know why...he's lame :-D
And...because we always have to be the winners. Can't let the giant lizard beat us tiny, pathetic humans...that would just be wrong.
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It would be epic if they would remake that movie:D
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Does anyone belief that the Japanese Godzilla is capable of taking on and defeating the beast from Cloverfield? It would be interesting to see if the famous King Of Monsters would be able to hold his title against a raging abomination like that.
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Humf. I still say if he was real he'd kick america's( and the whole worlds) B U T T.
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Does anyone belief that the Japanese Godzilla is capable of taking on and defeating the beast from Cloverfield? It would be interesting to see if the famous King Of Monsters would be able to hold his title against a raging abomination like that.
Gojira would stomp Clovie's ass any day of the week.
The Cloverfield monster is actually supposed to be nothing more than a panicked baby suffering from severe seperation anxiety.
How could that even have a chance against an immortal, mutated full-grown dinosaur?
Godzilla would definitely win.
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Godzilla isn't a dinosaur, it's a mutated iguana. :-P
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Godzilla isn't a dinosaur, it's a mutated iguana. :-P
The original Gojira, the TRUE one, was a dinosaur. The American one had to flub that all up and make it a mutant iguana.
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I loved both growing up and both have their merits
But when it comes down to brass tacks, Godzilla is the Bad A** of monsters, he has to many weapons at his disposal compared to Kong (who is just strong)
I thought it was total sacreilege that Zilla was killed in that movie, Zilla never gets killed and thats the way it should be...nuff said :-P
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I thought it was total sacreilege that Zilla was killed in that movie, Zilla never gets killed and thats the way it should be...nuff said
Well, as Kreepy said, it's not the real Godzilla. Japanese movie fans even regard it as a creature that is entirely different from Gojira with whom it is in no way related.
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Still Godzilla american or japanese...is not to be killed....he is indestructable
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Still Godzilla american or japanese...is not to be killed....he is indestructable
No, only the Japanese Gojira is indestructable. The American one is a big lizard that gets stomped CONSTANTLY.
Anyone else here feel Gigan doesn't get enough love?
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I remember watching an OLLLD cartoon about Godzilla, an American one, where he was the hero 24/7. :?
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Both these brutes started out I believe as symbols for something, at least their stories did.
Gojira being, in the wake of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a walking weapon of mass destruction made purely to antagonize the atomic bomb. In the original he wasn't mutated by radiation, he was simply a giant slumbering dinosaur god awoken by atomic testing and pissed because getting irradiated and surviving the event fricking hurt. In fact a prof. in the film suggest studying big G instead of killing him to learn "how" he survived a direct hit with a nuke, hoping the study might help cure certain diseases and side-affects caused by massive irradiation. He wasn't the atypical "victim-of-science" as some have come to believe, but simply mother natures response to mankind's reckless ambition. In short, the atomic bomb pissed off mother nature, so she unleashed her nuclear pit-bull on the world.
Kong on the other hand stood for something else all together. The classic last line of the film "It was beauty killed the beast" is one way of describing it. His story arc mirrors the death of the brutish old-world ways by human industrialization and expansion. Kong being this old-world God with a thing for blonde's who is kidnapped by a capitalist showman and brought from the old jungle to the new. Fully capable of surviving the real jungle by snapping dinosaurs in half, this new urban jungle instead confuses and riles him. There he shows the new world his raw, old-world strength before falling to his untimely death at the hands of a new kind of strength, human ingenuity. Something you can't simply beat to death with your fist.
Bringing the two together on film was done simply for show and dough. Both characters were stripped of their symbolism and made into entirely different characters all together in order to sustain the simple plot of two overgrown titans smashing each other with rocks and buildings and such. Entertaining to watch, but thats about it.
BTW, for me there are various reasons why Godzilla 1998 or GINO as its called failed miserably. Reason numero uno, the filmmakers took the "God" out of Godzilla, electing instead to make him a mutated freak of nature, instead of a pissed off symbol of nature's fury. Reason number two, Gojira was big. I mean big, bigger than the city he was stomping on. GINO was made into a burrower who elects to hide in a city that is bigger than him and is thus less intimidating. Number three, the symbolism is gone. Irradiated children and crispy cities were replaced with irradiated piles of fish and raptor-babyzillers. But the real cherry on top of this scoop of dog crap was the fact that GINO was made by the reckless nuclear testing of...the French!?!?
Just my thoughts on this little matter...
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Anyone else here feel Gigan doesn't get enough love?
Gigan *<:)
...They basically made Gigan retarded. There is no love for Gigan, only humiliation *<:)
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Sorry, who is Gigan? :?
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I'm so confused... :?
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Gigan is a monster introduced in 1972. An alien cyborg monster from Nebula Space Hunter M. Gigan first appeared with King Ghidorah and has the honor of the first monster to ever actually draw blood from Godzilla. He is 212 ft tall and flies like Superman does. His wings, while there are useless it would seem. In the length of his chest he has a saw that sliced open both Godzilla and Anglias. His hands are vicious hooks, the monster was made to slice and dice, to destroy worlds. Gigan's only weakness is his cowardice. Once the tide begins to turn against him, he is the first one to retreat.
Gigan would appear three times. Twice against Godzilla and would meet his demise against the hero known as Zone Fighter.
Millennium Gigan would have a different origin and updated look. He was placed on earth 12,000 years ago and defeated by Mothra. Only to be released in the present. The first time he faced Godzilla, he was decapitated, the second time his flying blades malfunctioned due to Mothra's attack and severed his head for the last time, killing him.
Classic Gigan
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k183/Monsterphotoguy/gigan-2.jpg)
Millennium Gigan
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k183/Monsterphotoguy/Gigan-1.jpg)
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Awesome. For some reason I want him as a pet now. :-D
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King Ghidorah :?
:doh:
Why do I not know any of these guys? :x
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Three headed dude that resembles an oriental dragon. He is a sinister alien being with plans to take over the world and ranks among Godzilla's most bitter foes.
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You guys have limited...Godzilla monster information. Gigan's blades malfunctioned due to direct actions of of Mothra. If somebody does that, its not retarded as you put it...just bad luck. Its the same when any other computer fails or crashes because somebody spills something on the keyboard or machine. Gigan is a Cyborg, all those times he appeared, he was controlled by somebody else. We have never actually seen him fight on his own free will, just used as a weapon, much like King Ghidorah has been used nearly every time by an outside force. KG has never wanted to take over the world, if anything could be said about him, he would only wish to destroy it completely. My theory is that he is a destroyer of worlds, much like Galactus is in the Marvel universe is. I think that he eats their energies to live.
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