The Incan accounts of the dinosaurs

[bandersnatch]

I'm American.
Why?

[TheTerror]

ok I just like to make sure I don't assosiate anyone with another country
sorry if anything is misspelled

[Kadesh]

 Yet again.. the terror of our intelligence has wandered off topic.... 


  ....... and this time........ can we stay there???


I would like to know why you say that's impossible, Bander. I've seen it argued that the dinos and humans did live together... what's so impossible about them coexisting?

[bandersnatch]

I would like to know why you say that's impossible, Bander. I've seen it argued that the dinos and humans did live together... what's so impossible about them coexisting?

Because we evolved so long after the dinosaurs lived that it would be impossible for an entire culture or large group of people to encounter true dinosaurs.
As I've said before, though, any dinosaur species that survived the K-T Event and continued to evolve is not a true dinosaur, and I don't doubt there are some valleys or mountains somewhere that are so remote that a dinosaur could continue living, and possibly encounter another human being.

See, dinosaur doesn't just mean any big reptilian thing. Dinosaurs were a certain group of species and families of animals that lived in a certain time. The word "dinosaur" signifies that these creatures all belonged to the family "dinosauria" (or in popular belief, anything related to a dinosaur genetically, like their cousins the Pterosaurs and the various groups of large aquatic reptiles, as well as the ancestors of the dinosaurs) and lived during a certain time period.
Evolution is not static, so any "dinosaur" species still living past the K-T event long enough to encounter humans is not a true dinosaur.
I only said that we never encountered an actual dinosaur. But anything descended from dinosaurs, well, I don't know. Perhaps something survived in some secluded little marsh in Africa, like the Mokele-Mbembe.
And with all the species of prehistoric creature that didn't die from a mass extinction, such as the pterosaurs dying out because of climate change, there's always a chance that a small population learned to adapt and survive into modern times.
But on a whole, dinosaurs lived so much longer before even apes popped their furry little heads up that it's highly unlikely.

Keep in mind there are plenty of strange mythological creatures that come solely from human imagination, and these depicitions of Mayans living alongside things that are vaguely dinosaurian could very well be just mythological creatures.

[Kadesh]

 Could it be something else that the Bible mentions then? It mentions dinosaurs somewhere (please forgive my vagueness.. my books are all packed away. ). Could it be some 'mythical' creature? Even though the Bible is.. hmm... how to put it.. "anti-mythical" LOL. 

[ImmortalKain]

The bible mentions the Leviathan which, if you read it closely and think about the symbolism it uses to describe it is either some breed of really large crocodile or a hippo of some kind I think. Most likely a hippo. But some people still believe it talks about a dinosaur and I may be wrong. Supposedly somewhere it talks of a horned horse (unicorn) but I have yet to find that.

[bandersnatch]

The bible mentions the Leviathan which, if you read it closely and think about the symbolism it uses to describe it is either some breed of really large crocodile or a hippo of some kind I think. Most likely a hippo. But some people still believe it talks about a dinosaur and I may be wrong. Supposedly somewhere it talks of a horned horse (unicorn) but I have yet to find that.

Leviathan - Nile crocodile. It was the only thing that fed upon the animals that ate the plants in and around the Nile River. Without crocodiles to eat the grazers, the grazers would eat all the plants, and the plant roots would deteriorate, causing the shores of the river to rapidly sink back and the water would disperse, thus making the river worthless as a bringer of life.
Nile crocodiles also have a second palate in the back of their throat that keeps water out while they swim. When they surface and open up this palate, steam comes out of their mouths, looking like fire, thus explaining the description of the leviathan being a fire-breather.

Biblical unicorn - There used to be large wooly rhinos that lived in Mongolia. The had a large, straight horn on the top of their head, in between their eyes. Some survived long enough for some ancient humans to encounter them. Word probably travelled all around the ancient world, because traveling storytellers made quite a living amongst the common people.

[Kadesh]

 I'm almost 99% certain the Bible actually says 'dinosaurs'...     DAMMIT I wish I had my books!!! 

[bandersnatch]

I'm almost 99% certain the Bible actually says 'dinosaurs'...     DAMMIT I wish I had my books!!! 

it couldn't possibly say that.
DInosaur is a word that was created within the last 200 hundred years. The bible was written over 2,000 years ago.

Here's an article about the Leviathan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan

[Kadesh]

 It's not the origional Hebrew translation.. it's the KJV.. and who knows what all got screwed up when it was translated. Which is why I take everything it says with a grain of salt.

[TheTerror]

bible was writen 1830 yrs ago the hebrew was before

[ImmortalKain]

Well, the entire collection of writings known as the bible, yes. But the original scrolls were written in Hebrew and some of the newest ones in old roman

[TheTerror]

oh well than
it still was not before the sumareans

[bandersnatch]

oh well than
it still was not before the sumareans

2 thousand years ago was not that long ago, actually.
The Roman Republic was in full gear. The great Sumerian civilization existed considerably more than 2 thousand years ago.

[Kadesh]

oh well than
it still was not before the sumareans

We weren't talking about the Sumerians. Please try to stay on topic..


I should have went to college and taken those courses like I'd planned... then I'd be able to read the origional and wouldn't have to rely on other people to translate it.