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Dead... And Not So Dead => Death in action => Topic started by: Dark Lord M on July 23, 2006, 07:47:29 AM
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I have been pondering this for awhile with death. If heaven or hell doesn't exsist, and reincarnation is false. When we die is it just black... Forever? :|
It really bugs me at night...
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Not really, M. Because if there is nothing, and you're dead, you wouldn't be able to know that it was black and nothing. And forever would no longer be a concept, either. So it isn't as though you'd be in a nightmarish limbo; it would be Nothing.
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Just the thought of not exsisting and exsisting in Nothing just feels so cold and terrible... It just bugs the heck out of me thinking of how I'd feel. Though I do believe in Heaven and other things, I just don't know and thats the problem. Yo won't know until you die and then its' to late... :|
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It just bugs the heck out of me thinking of how I'd feel.
That's the thing, you wouldn't feel. It would just be over with nothing left. It sounds a little scary but it can also be a bit of a relaxing thought as well.
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The soul has to go somewhere. It cant just disappear.
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M is saying, what if there is no soul? Nothing except death?
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what if there is no soul? Nothing except death?
Guess that saying "All dressed up and no place to go" would be most true then :crazy:
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Thats life.
~(http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/images/smilies/smiles2/wizard.gif) M
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Although this may bug many of you I hope this is the truth of death. I mean really. extending your existence in some form or another? Seems like "living forever" is not my thing.
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~Damn! :?!?!! We all need answerings , anyway sooner or later we'll get 'em :-fly) , but i'm afraid we're not coming back to share the ¨truth¨ from the vast and deepest ocean... well it's how i just imagine to wander eternally!!
~the fallen~
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So you wish to remain is spirit form?
A part of me wishes to do so.
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So you wish to remain is spirit form?
A part of me wishes to do so.
~Glady i'd like to merge with the ocean , due to our organic composition i believe that our destiny is to return into our elemental form!
~the fallen~
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I wanna go out with a bang! if death is nothingness i will create somthing to do!! because if its nothingness then theres nothing stoping us from bringing something there!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D
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well if u think, we essentially will become part of earth somehow, in someway - eventually. our energy will be released and become a part of evrything else.
in the case of the human soul or heaven or hell i dont know. but does anyone really ?
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It just bugs the heck out of me thinking of how I'd feel.
That's the thing, you wouldn't feel. It would just be over with nothing left. It sounds a little scary but it can also be a bit of a relaxing thought as well.
Mayhap I've just suffered too much pain in this life but, I don't want to come back - ever. When I die I really hope it is Oblivion. For me that's a comforting thought. No more pain, no more memories, no more suffering in loneliness. "Quoth the Raven, 'Nevermore.'"
All I want is eternal rest. Death is the contrary of birth - instead of entering the world we exit.
Moloch, we're on the same boat. Oblivion is the best choice for those like us.
*clears throat*
"I scream in silence, I sing of Strife
I live for Death, I die for Life"
Sorry, I couldn't resist. :-D
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I was raised to believe in Heaven and Hell, and I do follow those teachings. But I also wonder.... what of the spirits I see/hear? If there really are both places, why are these spirits still here, wandering around with nothing really to do? I enjoy the company; only a couple really bothered me, but why stay? If they were sent to Hell, I guess I can understand wanting to wander. But then there's angels. They visit us just as spirits do. If there really is Nothing, just an empty void where you don't know you even exist anymore..... that still doesn't explain spirits. Are there simply a few like Raz and I who would grow too bored by it and chose to leave? And if it really is Nothing, how can you leave? How do you know you're bored and make a choice like that?
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Heres a thought to ponder- What comes after death- Do you believe in Heaven and Hell- I don't!
I would like to think that my soul will go on, that I will become a part of everything, and remember everything as such was in my life. That I will have memories of what my human soul encountered and that I can maybe teach someone else along the way so that they will not make the mistakes I made.
I don't believe in God
or Satan
and heaven is made up by the catholic right to strike fear in the hearts of man, and Hell was made up for the same reason. Now you have a moral right to do whatever you like, but if we don't like it you will burn in hell for it. That my friends in power. Fear is power.
I say I live by the golden rule, whether it be a Christian moral or not Treat everyone as you wish to be treated, and I care less what happens after I die.
If hell does exist they will have their hands full.
And if heaven exists Perfection is BS, and I want no part of it
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true perfection= peace
because perfection is the well.... being without faults, flaws or errors.
When we speak of true perfection, then it would be a paradox, because it would mean that it would either have no purpose
or its purpose would be all.
So...... if the christian/jewish/muslim God is perfect..... would that make him purpouseless, or omni-puropse.
and if they say that he is ONLY good, then what is evil?
wouldn't that indidcate that he isn't as perfect as they say?
Or would that make him evil as well as good?
or maybe there's another single conciousness from which all came from.
or maybe there is no good and evil, maybe its all a crappy human concept
or maybe i'm wrong and i'm gonna go to hell.
or maybe everything is the other way around and in which case shouldn't this sentence look like.
"ekil kool ecnetnes siht t'nduohs esac hcihw ni dna dnuora yaw rehto eth si gnihtyreve ebyam ro."
or maybe i'm just doing this to take up space in this topic.
really?
Maybe...
you sure?
nope
how many fingers do you have
ten?
count em.
sure
one
two
three
four
six
"stop!
What?
why?
you skipped 5
five
yes, 5!
Ok
so.....
what
GO!
Oh, right
One
two
ARGHHHH!!!
What now!?
Start counting from 5
five?
sure!
Well!!????
Well what?
Why arnt you counting....
why didn't you say so?
AGHHHH!H!!!!!!
One
* kick in the shin*
OW!!!!
START FROM 5!!!!!
Five?
YES!!!!
Wait?
what now??
what am i counting again?
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This was a tribute to conan o'brien
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and that one was to bugs bunny
i wonder how much more i can stuff in this box?
i wonder if anyone is stupid enought to read this
i wonder if i'll get banned
i wonder if ishould make a bannana shake
hey i found a band-aid!
hey i'm chewing on my shirt
OMG its wet!
G2g
now?
yep
bye!
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It's ironic that you don't believe in God when the golden rule comes from the Bible.
And, yes, Raz... I actually read it.
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i never said i didn 't belive per-say...... i just suspended it till further notice :-fly)
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I think that life is just the preparation for what comes after we come here as blank slates and while were here we learn and grow and hopfuly become enlightened also yes i do believe in God i dont know what comes after but i also know that im not afriad of it either and as far as getting bored that comes about through chemical hormoanes in your brain when you lose your physical form you evolve into a different state so no boredom to use a analogy a catapilla cannot imagine what its like to be a butterfly until it becomes one
Thankyou for putting up with my silly musings :-)
END TRANSMISSION :crazy:
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I know it is strange that with the bible comes a great rule to live your life by, but no I don't believe in God. And I don't believe there is such thing as perfection. I was just saying if heaven on earth and peace on earth are the great end to all of this, who wants to carry on forever in that, the fight for good and evil is within yourself, we all have a bit of both within us, and the free will to do as we choose. But I do not believe in either. and omg Raziel that was enlightening and crazy
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if i may make a small attempt to say my piece on the matter.
i have gone through many religious phases but i like my current one the best soo far.
i don't claim any religion, because i believe they are all corrupt in their own right. there are plenty of nice things to learn from the books tho. but some things to be disregarded.
i believe in the human soul as well as entities commonly known as demons/angels.
there is a god but it is soo beyond our comprehension that rationalizing any action it makes is completly irrational.
on matters of afterlife id have to say we maybe dont have one the way it is predicted in the books.
i dont think god judges because we are all apart of it. how could he decide to make someone who is not a part of him, and does things that he did not plan to do. ( i chose he cuz it flows better, who cares really. gender doesent matter for spirits anyway right haha)
the scientific fact is that we all have energy within us and when we die that energy is recycled in one way or another.
and if you plan to ask about angels and demons. idk really maybe they are just independent forces of god himself. kindof like the hands moving chess pieces or something. maybe the angels are meant to guide us and demons meant to give us challenges, who cares.
im willing to bet god would prefer us to believe whatever we wish. we will all probably know the truth when we die. and if death is just the end then all of you people who believe that need to go out and start living. we all need to start living life for real.
im sorry that there are those of you who feel oblivion is the best thing for them. that the darkness in your hearts is too much to bare. i recommend you find your inner light. your inner strength. godless or not, live life happy. because we cant ever know what will happen when we die, until we die. so cheer up kids you only got the rest of your lifes. make a change. make the world a better place. pursue happiness.
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in this..
i'll put it simple...
*ahem*
i'm emo
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No one cares. Dog breath
emo= normal here.
Goth= normal here
normal= normal here.
Death threats and bad friends = normal here.......Really!
in fact the only thing not normal here is moloch and his retardedly large amount of posts, death threats and angst. and even then its pretty common.
Even your stupidity is normal vince. no matter how annoying it gets :-P
And thor? i don't think that they're "chess peices..... they're more like chinese checkers. *<:)
They just stop moving, but never go away. till they're set free.
<:smurf
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maybe. . . maybe lol. i am glad to see vince has grown up since i have been gone. did they hold him back in preschool again. :-*
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I don't believe that we reach a final resting place until we have fulfilled our purpose and ascended to our highest state. I believe in past lives and future ones to come. The ghosts or spirits of people may simply be the souls of those waiting for their next life. The "in between" of their realm may be a place to reflect and recollect. I do however believe in heaven and hell, though only having seen hell, there must be a heaven due to the universal need for balance in all things. But we will not reach these places until our ascensions are complete, or we have so saturated our souls with evil that we just sink to hell, unable to maintain a verifiable existence here. Of course the details of my beliefs constantly change as I learn more about myself and life and death.
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:-o :?They let vince into preschool???? wow...
And what the hell does emo have to do with this topic??
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And what the hell does emo have to do with this topic??
Have no clue, emos are emotional towards death (?) or else they like it ... but they don't like death as much as Goths do! <^>
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I like death... just not as it applies to me. :-P
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Death is the last great adventure for me, and I don't fear it. I have done many amazing things, most of which many people will never experience, and so the only thing that awaits me now is the sweet release of death. I wait for it patiently, and without regret of the way I have lived my life. I have done much evil, but I have done much good as well and I don't regret any of it...its who and what I am. And don't worry this is not a proclamation of suicidal tendencies. Like I said I simply wait patiently for it. It will come when it comes and I will begin the next exciting leg of my journey. %*)
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“If death meant just leaving the stage long enough to change costume and come back as a new character...Would you slow down? Or speed up?” -Unknown
“One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching.”
“Every man dies - Not every man really lives.”
“A life without cause is a life without effect.”
“Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.”
Dying is like getting audited by the IRS--something that only happens to other people ... until it happens to you.
JEROME P. CRABB, Death Quotes and Quibbles
Death, in itself, is nothing; but we fear,
To be we know not what, we know not where.
JOHN DRYDEN, Aureng-Zebe
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"Live right. Eat well. Exercise. Die anyway." ~ Unknown
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Best quote yet!! LOL
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That's what I always say when people get on me about not eating my veggies.. I just can't remember where I got it. :-fly)
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Eh, I love food, I eat any thing I want (Which is mostly meats, I am not much for sweets.) and then work my ass to death to keep from getting fat. I don't want to be fat, but I am not giving up food, so I man up to take a sacerfice by working my muscles to death. I don't expect any one to follow me, most can't any way.
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To mention it, I love some veggies and fruits, meat, seafood, anything healthy. Yet I can't help myself if some junk food is in my reach. :-fly)
I do exercise too, what I say is you have to burn the energy after the food you eat, because the calories you don't burn WILL turn into fat. OK my rant is done. :-D
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... *Pats Sick Angel.*
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*pats Tybalt back*
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“Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live.”
“Have the courage to live. Anyone can die.”
“Life lives, life dies. Life laughs, life cries. Life gives up and life tries. But life looks different through everyone's eyes.”
“Somebody should tell us, right at the start of our lives, that we are dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every day. Do it! I say. Whatever you want to do, do it now! There are only so many tomorrows.”
“The good die young - because they see it's no use living if you've got to be good” (lol )
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The only thing you have to regret in life are the risks that you didn't take - if you see something that is going to make you totally happy, then reach for it with both hands and screw the consequences!
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... Boy, it would suck if zombies were a reality huh!? Lol.
And before any one comments on that, I mean dawn of the dead zombies.
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Who-zit what-zits? :?
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What?
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Oh I thought zombies are all the same?! Dawn of the Dead zombies, Resident Evil zombies; they're all dead, they all stink of rotting flesh and and they all eat your brains, what's the difference? :banplea:
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Zombies? Uhm.... I've never seen any of those movies.... the only zombies I know are the ones in the Michael Jackson vidoe for Thriller..... :?
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Wait, wait, wait.... are you actually saying that you NEVER saw a zombie movie? :-o :-o :-o
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Kadesh, this is strictly for you!!!
This site is rated A for adult, it has zombie images that most would throw up at. If you are turned on by this wbsite you are a sick fark. Monsterous nor I will be held responsible for your viewing of this website if you choose to view it even though you are 18. That being said I know every one will click on it, don't blame others for what you would've clicked on any way.
http://www.pumpkin-porn.com/zombies/ (http://www.pumpkin-porn.com/zombies/)
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I laughed so hard my face hurts!! *<:) *<:) *<:) *<:)
And I sent it to every sick person I know... especially Moloch. lol.
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You send all my jokes and other humorous stuff to Moloch. I would at least like to speak to the guy, damn, before I know it he is going to acuse me of being a copy cat when I bring the stuff I normally do to the surface and he will be like, Kadesh already done it.
I'll be like, no Kadesh got it from me. lol.
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That's the first thing of yours that I've ever passed along to him. If he asks, I'll tell him where I got it... but I doubt he'll ask.
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I've seen Michael Jackson lately, on tv that is.
And I thought he IS a zombie???? :| :|
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Me again!!
Not trying to pump up my posts but;
I had a :focus: thought.
It is probably all a bit of a paradox.
If after you die, and absolutely nothing exists;
Then even this "nothing" would not exist as well.
Vivid
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so you become a god with a clean slate? or a prisoner in the most secure prison ever?
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Just make sure you get laid before you die and you should be good.
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I'm starting to give up hope on that ever happening...
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isn't that the damn truth :roll:
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I'm starting to give up hope on that ever happening...
isn't that the damn truth :roll:
Hang in there. Some advice, get away from the computer and go have some fun with other people, no excuses. Sorry, sad stories and I'm shy is a excuse, although I do understand, please understand I don't make the laws of life and I too agree that they are un-fair but a life constantly infront of the computer is a life with out sex.
And if you do get away from the computer, well, keep trying, you will learna nd adapt... Or won't and your genes will die out and so evolution will continue the gene pool with out you... Wow, that turned pretty freakin grim fast.
Live like you got six years or less left, that might help, key word, might.
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I don't have the option of going out and looking you know that Ty. Even if I did I tend to scare people <^>
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I don't have the option of going out and looking you know that Ty. Even if I did I tend to scare people <^>
Hey! I dont wanna hear this kind of low self confidence !!! :x
I KNOW that there is someone for EVERYBODY, and if you really think that you are sooo scary, pm me your pic, and scare me. Please! I wanna get scared! :-D Which I really doubt... :roll:
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I don't have the option of going out and looking you know that Ty. Even if I did I tend to scare people <^>
Hey! I dont wanna hear this kind of low self confidence !!! :x
I KNOW that there is someone for EVERYBODY, and if you really think that you are sooo scary, pm me your pic, and scare me. Please! I wanna get scared! :-D Which I really doubt... :roll:
He is talking about being married, and he has a wife with a family so he is good for the getting laid before dying part.
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:roll: when did that ever stop someone from getting laid? :roll:
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Me again!!
Not trying to pump up my posts but;
I had a :focus: thought.
It is probably all a bit of a paradox.
If after you die, and absolutely nothing exists;
Then even this "nothing" would not exist as well.
Vivid
I don't have the option of going out and looking you know that Ty. Even if I did I tend to scare people <^>
Hey! I dont wanna hear this kind of low self confidence !!! :x
I KNOW that there is someone for EVERYBODY, and if you really think that you are sooo scary, pm me your pic, and scare me. Please! I wanna get scared! :-D Which I really doubt... :roll:
Hey Nina, I'm not married 8-) 8-) :wink: :wink:
And you've seen my pic, of course!
Do you think I'm scary, do you, do you? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
hehe :-* :-* :-*
Vivid :spy:
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I did? ???
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Hey! I dont wanna hear this kind of low self confidence !!! :x
I KNOW that there is someone for EVERYBODY, and if you really think that you are sooo scary, pm me your pic, and scare me. Please! I wanna get scared! :-D Which I really doubt... :roll:
Its not my appearance thats scary, at least I don't think :roll: besides I already posted a pic, unless my doppelganger came and removed it again :wink: No, I just have a menacing presence, so i've been told, especially when I'm in a bad mood. And trust me, I got no low self confidence, been through too much for that. Nah, just hitting a dry spell with no end in sight so far *<:)
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Get out from in front of my computer.... oh my, is it really that easy? Of course I don't sit here all the time... but you need that tiny little thing called MONEY. To put gas in my car... to go to a club... to go whatever.... And I live in suburban HELL at the moment... old guys w/o shirts as far as the eye can see... omg.. I'm going to be ill........
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Get out from in front of my computer.... oh my, is it really that easy? Of course I don't sit here all the time... but you need that tiny little thing called MONEY. To put gas in my car... to go to a club... to go whatever.... And I live in suburban HELL at the moment... old guys w/o shirts as far as the eye can see... omg.. I'm going to be ill........
I wll hate you for the remainder of the day for that mental image........ andt is only 4 AM....... DAMMM YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ahh... I feel better. :-D
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Well people who are TOO normal will eventually scare me.
Live like you got six years or less left, that might help, key word, might.
Great advice there, Tybalt, to mention it I live each day and week as if this was my last. No more than 2 hours on my PC, unless if I don't have anything else to do. :-D
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God I wish I could say that................ I don't have anything else to do though..... ... and people wonder why I say I'm a loser! *<:)
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Get out from in front of my computer.... oh my, is it really that easy? Of course I don't sit here all the time... but you need that tiny little thing called MONEY. To put gas in my car... to go to a club... to go whatever.... And I live in suburban HELL at the moment... old guys w/o shirts as far as the eye can see... omg.. I'm going to be ill........
Walk if your that desprate for cash. I don't hit clubs, and I don't like driving, much less any machine, and I live in one of the worst places of the states if i want to get a real intellectual conversation, but some how I manage.
Get out from in front of my computer.... oh my, is it really that easy? Of course I don't sit here all the time... but you need that tiny little thing called MONEY. To put gas in my car... to go to a club... to go whatever.... And I live in suburban HELL at the moment... old guys w/o shirts as far as the eye can see... omg.. I'm going to be ill........
I wll hate you for the remainder of the day for that mental image........ andt is only 4 AM....... DAMMM YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!
Well people who are TOO normal will eventually scare me.
Live like you got six years or less left, that might help, key word, might.
Great advice there, Tybalt, to mention it I live each day and week as if this was my last. No more than 2 hours on my PC, unless if I don't have anything else to do. :-D
Thats a little cliche though, and since no one has ever really knew to have a time line of themselves like that, its hard to imagine if its possible the feeling of that, infact if you were able to put yourself under those circumstances you would be hittting adrenaline all day long until you pass out. Its a great proverb, but scientifically, it is in-correct, its much more possible to live until you got six years, and six isn't just a random number, I don't want to live past twenty four but I have a bad dirty feeling that I will any way.
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Its a great proverb, but scientifically, it is in-correct
You haven't been listening to carter perchance, have you?
hehe
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I did? ???
Yeah, sorry to admit it, but that little pic in the corner of my posts is really me.
So tremble in fear. hehe
Vivid :spy: :wink:
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Yeah, sorry to admit it, but that little pic in the corner of my posts is really me.
So tremble in fear. hehe
Aaaah, that is from your Ukrainian tour?!
Well, I have to admit, you DO look a bit scary... but we had a war here and the bad guys looked exactly the same.... sooo... I think it is OK to be scared..... :roll:
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Its a great proverb, but scientifically, it is in-correct
You haven't been listening to carter perchance, have you?
hehe
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Great advice there, Tybalt, to mention it I live each day and week as if this was my last. No more than 2 hours on my PC, unless if I don't have anything else to do. :-D
Thats a little cliche though, and since no one has ever really knew to have a time line of themselves like that, its hard to imagine if its possible the feeling of that, infact if you were able to put yourself under those circumstances you would be hittting adrenaline all day long until you pass out. Its a great proverb, but scientifically, it is in-correct, its much more possible to live until you got six years, and six isn't just a random number, I don't want to live past twenty four but I have a bad dirty feeling that I will any way.
True, I agree with your statement yet you'll excuse me since I like adrenaline, I'm a daredevil and I enjoy what life has to offer. 0:)
You love someone, tell that person you love them TODAY.
Someone irritating you? Ditch them, they're wasting your time.
There's something you'd like to try? Sky-diving? Traveling to a place you never been before? Break the routine, if it isn't illegal, go ahead and have fun with it.
P.S. - I don't want to live past thirty, lol.
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True, I agree with your statement yet you'll excuse me since I like adrenaline, I'm a daredevil and I enjoy what life has to offer. 0:)
You love someone, tell that person you love them TODAY.
Someone irritating you? Ditch them, they're wasting your time.
There's something you'd like to try? Sky-diving? Traveling to a place you never been before? Break the routine, if it isn't illegal, go ahead and have fun with it.
P.S. - I don't want to live past thirty, lol.
I really like the way you think :-D And even if it is illegal, just don't get caught :wink: Oops I didn't say that :roll: Wasn't me *<:)
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Thanks Kain. :-D 8-)
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Its a great proverb, but scientifically, it is in-correct
You haven't been listening to carter perchance, have you?
hehe
Who is he?
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P.S. - I don't want to live past thirty, lol.
I've got to meet you in real life, your just too good to be true some times Sick Angel.
*Starts to pack his hand cuffs.*
Yes I have had a good day.
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Its a great proverb, but scientifically, it is in-correct
You haven't been listening to carter perchance, have you?
hehe
Who is he?
Thats good, you obviously haven't crossed paths with him.
Trust me, you do not want to know!
Unless you want to get your nuts crushed in a vice for DNA experiments that is.
hehe
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... Are you talking about the skeptic on these forums? Nah, he is pretty cool.
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Yeah, hes pretty cool.
I was just having a bit of a laugh about what you'd do if he asked you to "produce the evidence"
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Eh, there isn't much to laugh at, I can't really produce that much evidence, I'm sorry. He does tend to make conversations boring though when he tries to out wit some one.
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Anyone remember what this topic was actually about??????
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Me again!!
Not trying to pump up my posts but;
I had a :focus: thought.
It is probably all a bit of a paradox.
If after you die, and absolutely nothing exists;
Then even this "nothing" would not exist as well.
Vivid
I think roughly this?
I've actually been pretty dead in hospital a few times after a car accident, I was left hand door passenger where a speeding car smashed into us and crushed our car into a sardine can against a telephone pole. Massive internal injuries, fractured bones, spine, head injuries, I had the works. My family were called in for the last rights 3 times, on the third time the doctors were almost apologetic, telling them "we do not understand why his heart is still beating", all of my other internal organs had shut down. Anyway, I just came back to life, obviously, with all the intensive care nurses crying and stuff because they did not understand and could not believe what was going on. It took me a month to get out of intensive care. But I'm fine now (I think), pretty amazing that there are no long term injury things, I can run, play football, tennis, go rock climbing, anything I want without a problem in the world. And my hearing has improved above normal and my eyesight has gone up from 20-20 to 30-20, twice as good as 20-20, pretty full on stuff. It would take a whole book to write down what everything was like, I know that death is definitely not the end now though. Best advice, try to do as little possible that you might regret. If that means missing out on a few things that is not so bad. And always appreciate all the good things we have in our lives that are too often taken for granted, especially loved ones etc.
Vivid :spy:
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Wow, I have had a lot of near death experiences but I have never been pronounced dead.
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If 'nothing' exists.... how do you know anyway? If you're walking down the street and run into nothing.... you just keep walking, uninterrupted. So... if you die and run into nothing... you're just dead. You just lay there and rot. Buuut.. on the other hand... say your soul is trapped in your body. Nothing turns into being trapped in a shell while it rots. It would be like killing a cow and sticking a live person inside it and sewing it back up.. leaving them trapped inside a rotting carcass. (Hope Disney doesn't steal my idea and make it into a ride. :spy:)
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Nothing is... nothing. Equal to nothingness. Nothing is absolutely nothing, not even darkness, because being dead you won't see, if you won't see there's no darkness.
I think the moment you die, that's it. It ends there - no more thoughts or seeing or feeling. It's like a movie; the movie ends, then the projection screen goes blank... and that's it, no more to see. And the people who were watching (and made one hell of mess of popcorn and wrappers) will get up and go on with their lives.
And it would kind of you to tell me if that make sense or not. :-D
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That makes perfect sense, Angel. But I sincerely hope it's not 'nothing'. I'm hoping to be able to wander around and haunt various people. Make someone's life a little more difficult. Payback as it were. :roll:
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Hmmm, revenge is sweet. :-fly) I have a unusual knack of forgiving people when they don't deserve it, so I'm afraid I can't say the same thing. 0:)
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Me again!!
Not trying to pump up my posts but;
I had a :focus: thought.
It is probably all a bit of a paradox.
If after you die, and absolutely nothing exists;
Then even this "nothing" would not exist as well.
Vivid
I think roughly this?
I've actually been pretty dead in hospital a few times after a car accident, I was left hand door passenger where a speeding car smashed into us and crushed our car into a sardine can against a telephone pole. Massive internal injuries, fractured bones, spine, head injuries, I had the works. My family were called in for the last rights 3 times, on the third time the doctors were almost apologetic, telling them "we do not understand why his heart is still beating", all of my other internal organs had shut down. Anyway, I just came back to life, obviously, with all the intensive care nurses crying and stuff because they did not understand and could not believe what was going on. It took me a month to get out of intensive care. But I'm fine now (I think), pretty amazing that there are no long term injury things, I can run, play football, tennis, go rock climbing, anything I want without a problem in the world. And my hearing has improved above normal and my eyesight has gone up from 20-20 to 30-20, twice as good as 20-20, pretty full on stuff. It would take a whole book to write down what everything was like, I know that death is definitely not the end now though. Best advice, try to do as little possible that you might regret. If that means missing out on a few things that is not so bad. And always appreciate all the good things we have in our lives that are too often taken for granted, especially loved ones etc.
Vivid :spy:
What I was trying to say, is that if absolutely nothing existed after you die (which I know isn't true anyway), then it would be impossible for even that "nothing" to exist as well, see what I mean? how it's a paradox?
And when you think about it, it would be a lot easier to make an infinitely small ammount of nothing "disappear" or completely go away than it would be to make a cow "disappear" or completely go away. Gets all a bit wierd doesn't it?
Vivid :spy:
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What I was trying to say, is that if absolutely nothing existed after you die (which I know isn't true anyway)
Vivid - Er, how do you know it isn't true? You'll have to excuse my curiosity, I can't help myself. :-D
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I can't "empirically" prove it of course. I was just referring to my story when all the doctors and that thought I was dead but that my heart was still beating for some strange reason. I remember then that there was all sorts of wierd stuff going on and that it was not just nothing. Scientists could always say that was just something happening in my then dying/almost dead brain though. I just "understand myself" that this is the case, that there is not just nothing when you die. It is pretty hard to explain this "knowing", so to speak, to someone that has not ever experienced that before. And I have actually never met anyone that was that dead that the doctors and nurses were only hanging around waiting for my heart to stop beating so they could wheel me off and make space in ICU for someone else. So it is really hard for me to explain.
Vivid
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Oh well that is enough for me, you have already answered my question with the experience you had and I'm sorry to hear about your accident, though I'm glad that you are ok now.
Thank you for the reply,
~ S. A.
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Don't worry about the accident. I am not looking for violins and roses or anything. In fact it was the best thing that ever happened to me, like I have all of these telepathic things and stuff now.
But then again, going by all my posts, especially The Paranoid Times, you could probably say that my brain did die, and that it still is and has always been dead anyway, hehe
Vivid :spy:
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I wouldn't say dead.... maybe just hit a wee bit hard... LOL. But there's nothing wrong with that. The most interesting people are a bit 'off.'
But back to topic... Nothing wouldn't matter... because we wouldn't know. Nothing is exactly that.
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*<:) *<:) *<:) That's one of the best ones I have seen, cracks me up!!! *<:) *<:) *<:)
Vivid :spy:
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No it didn't die, never say die! (Hey I've heard this in a movie before, lol.) Especially because the Paranoid Times is so entertaining the first impression I had of you was that you had the gift of writing humor and bringing out the laughter in people, man I honestly think that thread is brilliant. :-*
Back to topic I guess Kadesh just said all there is to say now: we won't know anything about it until it happens. 8-)
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I think that most of the people who make out like they are paranoid of there being "nothing" after they die, are really hoping, deep down inside themselves that it is true. Because they do not want to have their arses fried for all eternity in some sort of blistering afterlife hell. :evil: :evil: :evil:
Vivid :spy:
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If there is a hell... and I think there is... I'm going there, I'm sure. So when I die... pack me in ice!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that's the scariest thing about death...... we just really don't know what's going to happen. Heaven, Hell, Limbo, Purgatory, Haunting, Reincarnation..... etc......... what to believe... :?
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:evil: <^> :evil:
*<:) *<:) *<:) That fits my description perfectly, lol. *<:) *<:) *<:)
Not that I see my arse in hell, I think some people has gone through enough having to endure their own hell in their lifetime and, like me, would like to see Death as eternal rest. :)zzz
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If there is a hell... and I think there is... I'm going there, I'm sure. So when I die... pack me in ice!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe it's not too late to change your travel plans? Go see your agent and swap it for a different ticket, even if it does cost a few more bucks? :-P :-P :wink:
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Even if it cost a few bucks, it's SO worth it! :-D
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I think that's the scariest thing about death...... we just really don't know what's going to happen. Heaven, Hell, Limbo, Purgatory, Haunting, Reincarnation..... etc......... what to believe... :?
I think the scariest thing is not the difference between being "alive" and being "dead", it's really that lil ugly bit between the two.
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Swap tickets? I don't think they'd let me... but maybe I could befriend someone and steal theirs. I don't see death as an eternal rest.... and my life has had it's hellish moments.... I see it more as playtime. <:smurf
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VIVID,
Your story was nice to read;not only am I happy you made a full recovery but that you also gained a new perspective on life if you will.I am curious about a couple of points if you dont mind discussing them.Was your EKG readings all flatline?Had the doctors declared you braindead?If so was there any follow up on this?
Personally I dont believe in life after death.I think dead is dead in the sense of an afterlife.I think the subconcious & other workings of our brains account for these experiences vs the paranormal but alot of interesting investigations are being conducted,so perhaps we will one day have a more detailed explanation one way or the other.There are three claims in the ESP field which, in my opinion, deserve serious study: (1) that by thought alone humans can (barely) affect random number generators in computers; (2) that people under mild sensory deprivation can receive thoughts or images "projected" at them; and (3) that young children sometimes report the details of a previous life, which upon checking turn out to be accurate and which they could not have known about in any way other than reincarnation. I pick these claims not because I think they're likely to be valid (I don't), but as examples of contentions that might be true.
Anyway it was nice to see that you & Tybalt thought I was pretty cool(even if you dont thats cool too!)I think you guys have some neat ideas even if I agree to disagree.I do have to disagree with Tybalt though in his assesment of my "being boring in my attempts to outwit others".For the record im not trying to outwit any of you here.I have the utmost respect for anyone who speaks their mind & I have no doubt that many of you here are more intelligent than myself.I only try to word my statements in a way to reflect my own opinion,I dont view this forum as a battle of wits if you will.
Thanks for sharing your experience though,perhaps we can all agree to appreciate our own lives more,while were here.Stay Well,Carter
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Mayhap I've just suffered too much pain in this life but, I don't want to come back - ever. When I die I really hope it is Oblivion. For me that's a comforting thought. No more pain, no more memories, no more suffering in loneliness. "Quoth the Raven, 'Nevermore.'"
I was reading this book by silvia brown and she said that your spirt gets to chose to come back more than once could that be true
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Mayhap I've just suffered too much pain in this life but, I don't want to come back - ever. When I die I really hope it is Oblivion. For me that's a comforting thought. No more pain, no more memories, no more suffering in loneliness. "Quoth the Raven, 'Nevermore.'"
I was reading this book by silvia brown and she said that your spirt gets to chose to come back more than once could that be true
We better hope she's right! lol
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Although I question alot of what Sylvia Brown comes up with, she is right about that I remember vivid details about former lives, so I know that its possible, but I'm not sure if we get the choice or not...guess the only way to find out is wait and see
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I don't know if I've had a former life or lives. If so.. I hope they were better than this one. And I hope I have another one.. so that I can have a better one next time.
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Another life?! I don't want to risk going through this hell all over again. :gun:
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You can avoid past mistakes if you can connect with your former self and learn what you can from it....Although you can't be a self defeating ass like me and actually apply those things you might learn or you'll be doomed to wait till next time (hopefully) to try again
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Connecting with my former self... hmm.. so.. maybe when the Crystal tries to pull me in I should let it.... See where it takes me.
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Umm no, that doesn't lead to your past, but to insanity....always does. :)zzz Some people just don't listen to me...stubborn asses :wink:
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Not insanity. I'm already there, remember? But letting it pull me in just a bit can't hurt...
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Do so at your own risk but if I have to put some pants on just to come after you and save your ass I'm gonna be pissed :lol:
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Well.. no time like the present to try it... and By the way... since when do we all need to know that you're not wearing pants??? *<:)
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oops 0:) Guess I just like to share :wink: *<:) *<:)
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I feel soo sorry for your neighbors! *<:) *<:)
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yeah especially since my new apartment doesn't have any shades *<:)