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The Darker Side => Demons, Demonology and The Devil => Topic started by: Iriannah on May 19, 2010, 02:11:36 PM
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Hi,
First of all I would like to introduce myself. My name is Anna aka Iriannah from Ontario, Canada. I am new to this board and hoping to learn and gain more information for my research.
Return to my question .... why do you think all demons/entities are evil? I personally don't believe all of them are evil. Just because it is unknown to us and cannot understand something we don't know, we generally label it as evil. We fear the unknown. I'd love to hear your opinion ....
Iriannah
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Hey guys i have a correction did u ever met before a demon? really no? are u friends with that demon? are u an antichrist?satanity? or something u cant say that some of them are good because they are slaves of satan......... *<:)
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Actually I know many demons, I have demon friends and contacts. They are indeed not slaves. They are confident of their own free will and if you think about free will it gets tricky. Since how do you know you have a will independent of god's unless you actually rebel against god? Since if you don't you are also in a matter of speaking a "slave". But then you could say "that is what the devil wants you to think"
So choose what you will and it is neither right nor wrong.
Anyway I know a lot of demons that give out more acts of kindness then a lot of Christians. (Demons often are helping other demons) I know Christians will try to vanquish a demon as soon as they see one because being a demon makes it "bad". I have found demons to be more tolerant of others. (I do also know some bad demons as well)
The point is that every large group still has individuals. Some are good and some are bad. It is never one set definition.
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I know only 1 demon personally, and it's my own, the one bound to me... this one surely is not evil^^
Don't ask me his name because I can only feel his presence but I can't hear him... there are others that can see him though
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Hey guys i have a correction did u ever met before a demon? really no? are u friends with that demon? are u an antichrist?satanity? or something u cant say that some of them are good because they are slaves of satan......... *<:)
Not all entities are demons. There are nature spirits, elementals, shadow people, ghosts, angels, etc.
Very true.
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There are actually a lot of arguments about this particular topic... Of course the predominant public opinion is that indeed, Demons are bad... This is mostly because of the major religions that dominate the world's view of things... Now I've read a lot of materials that pertains to these demons and I can personally say that it is a very complex subject depending on which texts you read... Some define demons as fallen angels, others say they are spirits of nature and there are those who describe them as the emergence of darkness that counteracts the light... There are still more, but they are too varied and numerous to list... I myself have never met an entity that could be described as evil, though I've certainly seen my share of strange creatures...
The old ones here warn us never to take for granted that we live in a world we do not own... That there are other occupants far more ancient and powerful than we and so we must respect... Maybe it's just me, but perhaps evil is just a subjective term... Humans get violent and become evil if pushed, so why not them? If they are treated with courtesy, demons are as we are... Inhabitants of the same world, niether evil nor good...
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demons aren't necissarly evil, it depends on how you define what a demon is...
some religions call evil beings demons, while other believers, like me, call demons creatures from lower realms (I don't mean like a world underneath ours, but I believe in different layers of realms and different realms on each layer, a realm below ours is in my eyes a hell while those above us are heavens)
but in most cases demons are evil because they are named demons because they are evil.
I have a 'demon' inside of me, but he isn't evil, he's nice, caring, loving, protective... maybe his father was evil, I don't know.
Also: if you have an evil entity, like let's say Satan, and he could have a son, in most cases, that son will be evil, because of the rule of how we grow by how our parents raise us, but having an evil parent doesn't mean the offspring is evil...
If you get raped by someone, and you hate that person, which is normal, but the baby inside of you (well this only works when ur a girl ofcourse) you should not hate that child, because a child can not choose it's parents, it does not deserve to be hated by the sins of his/her father. Though in most cases they always hate the childs they get from a rapist...
demon's aren't a race if you name them for their alignment. if they are intelligent like humans (or even more so) and they do bad things, but not everyone from it's race does those things, because some are caring and loving, they cannot be demons...
it's like saying: all white people are racists... not every white person is a neonazi that hates jews and black people ^^ we make the same mistake among ourselves as we do with demons, we judge the whole race or the whole society
a demon or a celestial isn't a race, it's an individual, just like a racist isn't a race, it's an individual, there are a lot of them, but they aren't a race.
My demon looks evil, is born from evil, but is not evil, I call him a demon because he is one in my books, he comes from lower realms. gods can be evil too! think of Seth ^^
I hope you guys see how things are :) don't judge the race of a being as a demon, if you look at each individual of that race, the evil ones are demons the other's aren't
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not all demons are evil... there's a story i know about how some changed their mind about being evil, but still retained their "darker" nature.
the tricky thing is they either don't wish to be found or they're too busy with other things to interact with humans.
so i would say, if you encounter a demon, treat it as evil until it can prove otherwise. but even then you should be on your guard. while their intentions may be good, they tend to be very into the "ends justify the means" mentality.
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not all demons are evil... there's a story i know about how some changed their mind about being evil, but still retained their "darker" nature.
the tricky thing is they either don't wish to be found or they're too busy with other things to interact with humans.
so i would say, if you encounter a demon, treat it as evil until it can prove otherwise. but even then you should be on your guard. while their intentions may be good, they tend to be very into the "ends justify the means" mentality.
very much true, though though not everyone is like that, some don't go with that mentality, but those are rare encouters...
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First you have to look at what a demon actually means. The term demon comes from the greek term deamon. which means non-human spirit that isnt a god. angels, demi-gods, demons... ect. So with that knowledge it is safe to say that no not all demons are evil. another couple things i can tell you is that the pictoral image of demons being evil came from the catholics, jews, hindus, all single god believing religions. There is a tribe in africa that believes that demons are everywhere. Objects, food, plants and animals. They believe that demons are just spirits that are here to either help or hender us. they make food offerings to these demons so that they will be helpful. All in all from what i know not all demons are evil.
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Hey guys i have a correction did u ever met before a demon? really no? are u friends with that demon? are u an antichrist?satanity? or something u cant say that some of them are good because they are slaves of satan......... *<:)
Ignorance breeds stupidity, and stupidity spreads faster than a plague of locust. Do us all a favor Keanze, get your nose out of the bible and stick it into a few other tombs of knowledge before making such an audacious claim. Who knows, perhaps you'll surprise yourself with some of the knowledge you obtain. (That and you will see how utterly foolish your last statement was.)
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Expounding on muerte's train of thought.
Roman Catholicism was not always a tolerant religion. They had an expansionist policy and thus, they branded the creatures of not associated with them as demons/devils, etc.
This usually included local gods and nature spirits. they even changed names and made stuff up.
This gave those terms bad press... til they lost the original meaning of "nature spirit" to "bad spirit"..... cause the conquering culture's religion was trying to convert the new guys.
The easiest way to control a newly acquired people is through education. And the easiest way to erase a people's culture is through replacement.
Religion fulfils both and is easy to adapt due to the vagueness of teachings in scripture as they can be interpreted as you please, and in those days the church was a tool of the state........ till the Renaissance when the influx of new ideas with PROOF clashed with said Interpretations and scripts.
It is a great political tool. even today we demonize those that we disagree with..... such is politics. This is just politics+superstition+Intended misinformation+ 2000+ years
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It really does depend on what your variables are. Taking a philosophical approach may lead you to say demons are evil or not evil. Depends on the tradition you are looking at. Like if you look at ancient traditions you can see that demons were used by the Gods to punish Humans (even in Judaism you can see this as well). However due to pop culture, they view demons as evil because of a mainstream Christian perspective.
In Islam you have entites called Jinn which are not nessesarily evil but are entities of fire while we are entities of clay (look up in the creation story of the Koran).
Zoroastrianism claims that there are no real 'demons' because evil can only manipulate and possess shells on our realm while good can manifest and create.
Buddhism says that demons are just the lowest level because of the 'evil' deeds one does, same with Hinduism.
so yeah it just depends on what you are looking at.
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The original question "Why do people believe that all demons are evil"?
Even a bum can be rich with knowledge.
Demons are nothing more than outcasts. This is true from every religions view point. An energy without a body is outcasted a body. A fallen angel is an outcast from heaven. An energy that manipulates things on this "physical" plane for twisted purposes using a vessel not its own is an outcast.
Outcasts tend to "not care anymore". If rules didn't apply to me and i was as such i'd do what i felt like all the time.
From others point of view this would disregard respect and add up to a giant ball of confusion and rudeness.
Which can easily be labeled as "evil". Since majority rules on many, many issues. That is why people as a whole believe all demons are evil.
I agree with all the past posts. Just because a label has been slapped on a "race, species, or gender" doesn't make it true, altough it could amount to a semi-factual negative stereotype.
Seeing as i hate all demons i've ever met and the ones i did like stab me at thier slight inconvience. I'm one of the many people that spread the rumor they are all indeed "evil"..... :x
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Wow i dont believe that you have demon friend liar <^>
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Wow i dont believe that you have demon friend liar <^>
Ok Kid (you said you are 10 years old and from your post, insight, and intelligence I can believe it) I have had about enough of your ineptitude. From this point forward I am going to monitor your post and if they do not improve boy I will take steps to correct them myself. Quit talking in your "Leet" speak. It's annoying, childish, and ignorant. When you post here you Must type out all of your words and you MUST form a coherent sentence. You may post your opinion on others beliefs/abilities but I would suggest being a little more circumspect in your efforts otherwise your stay here could indeed be short lived.
P.S. I doubt your admitted age (physically not mentally) as I am confident our Guardian is more in-tune to those sorts of things when allowing access to this Community. Also I will be forwarding this to the Guardian so he too can keep an eye on things. I hope you understand what I am telling you and take heed of it, though from you past demonstrations of intelligence I doubt you will. (Also in regards to your request to be a Moderator, well lets just say I would not bother holding your breath. You of course are more than welcome to for our enjoyment but it would accomplish nothing other than the entertainment of this Community.)
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If I were you, I would definitely take heed to Muertes warning and advise
If I have to get involved, it will not be pretty, me and Muerte are tolerant here to a point.... after that <^>
Him a Mod...... *<:) you will have to show a LOT more intelligence and maturity before we would even consider it, your off to a bad start, so wise up and maybe in the future (way in the future) you may apply, right now.....not
Nuff Said
Markus monstrous.com Guardian
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Wow i dont believe that you have demon friend liar <^>
lol. Markus got called out. You seriously fecked up. Well, you're lucky they didn't just kick you off.
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Wow i dont believe that you have demon friend liar <^>
lol. Markus got called out. You seriously fecked up. Well, you're lucky they didn't just kick you off.
Heh, y'all are just too nice sometimes.
Keanz, heed their advice. They're being nice - I will do no such thing regardless of your purported age or your obvious mental shortcomings.
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Why are we cool with a 10 year old being here anyway? It only means one of 3 things.
1. We now have a boy sidekick.
2. He will piss everyone off because he only knows what he sees on TV.
or 3. He is actually Chris Hansen and he's just waiting to ask one of us to "take a seat over there please".
WELL, NOT TODAY CHRIS....... Not today.
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Actually, if I remember the rule concerning age of membership, and that rule is still current... Keanz CANNOT be a member here. The minimum age requirement is seventeen after all.
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Its a simple conflict of interest. We supposedly want to follow God's plan and return to him. The 1/3 that fell from heaven what the opposite. Thus we label God/Jesus/Whatever you believe good and through process of elimination demons are evil. Now that you know please stay the <^> off of this site for about 7or8 more years.
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Why are we cool with a 10 year old being here anyway? It only means one of 3 things.
1. We now have a boy sidekick.
2. He will piss everyone off because he only knows what he sees on TV.
or 3. He is actually Chris Hansen and he's just waiting to ask one of us to "take a seat over there please".
WELL, NOT TODAY CHRIS....... Not today.
I will represent my opinion on this matter. I may or may not be in agreement with everyone else on this.
1. An emergency small child to sacrifice in emergency situations is handy.
2. children attract more children (to use for option 1)
3. climb into small spaces that I can't fit in.
So pretty much I only view them as meat shields as well as food. But when a small one so willingly enters the monster's den, we cannot resist the temptation to exploit this opportunity.
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Why are we cool with a 10 year old being here anyway? It only means one of 3 things.
1. We now have a boy sidekick.
2. He will piss everyone off because he only knows what he sees on TV.
or 3. He is actually Chris Hansen and he's just waiting to ask one of us to "take a seat over there please".
WELL, NOT TODAY CHRIS....... Not today.
I will represent my opinion on this matter. I may or may not be in agreement with everyone else on this.
1. An emergency small child to sacrifice in emergency situations is handy.
2. children attract more children (to use for option 1)
3. climb into small spaces that I can't fit in.
So pretty much I only view them as meat shields as well as food. But when a small one so willingly enters the monster's den, we cannot resist the temptation to exploit this opportunity.
Oh man! This tickles me in the deep, dark, cold recesses of my soul.
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I will represent my opinion on this matter. I may or may not be in agreement with everyone else on this.
1. An emergency small child to sacrifice in emergency situations is handy.
2. children attract more children (to use for option 1)
3. climb into small spaces that I can't fit in.
So pretty much I only view them as meat shields as well as food. But when a small one so willingly enters the monster's den, we cannot resist the temptation to exploit this opportunity.
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That is wrong... children make horrible shields!
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Demons are all evil.. There or other supernatural entities that are both good and evil but demons are evil..
Theyre created by Lucifer in Hell as servants. Now Lucifer despises human creation so why would his minions be good? They don't have free will they arent humans. Lucifer hated the fact that humans had free will so he uses that against them to bring them away from God. Why would he create demons with free will? They would be the exact same thing as humans..
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i love mish mashed modernized Christian demonology.
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As do i. It makes the most sense in the simplest of words. I mean many people tend to over analyze and make a complete miss of whats actually happening. Sometimes things are just exactly as they seem. Lucifer hates people pretty simple enough not much arguing that since his main goal is corrupt man with sin. Lucifer makes servants which are demons, Lucifer has an inferiority complex and doesn't want to bow down before anyone so in essence this means his servants wouldn't have the free will to rebel as he did. Now these demons have no free will other than what Lucifer wants them to do which is corrupting man blah blah. So therefore all demons are evil.
I figured it was as simple as that. I mean it doesn't have to be modernized christianity that tells you this its basically common sense.
I'm sure there are plenty of people have this whole Sympathy for the Devil bit but in reality the devil only wants you to go to Hell which is a punishment worse than death. Just because you were Satan's little lady all your life doesn't reserve you a cushioned chair in hell next to the big man himself, you get tortured just like everyone else you were just fooled into thinking otherwise.. Thats why i don't really get Satanic worshippers.
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actually, common sense says it's all unreal...there's nothing sensible believing in the supernatural.
there's nothing that supports lucifer creates demons, no one really knows where they come from...but lucifer would not be their creator.
i'm not disagreeing that demons aren't evil, just questioning your reasoning for insisting it's all lucifer when religious history doesn't support that?
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Well what do you mean about religous history? Like what exactly doesn't fit?
I mean its hard for anyone to really know where everything supernatural originates from because i'm sure existed before even the ability to keep a record of such things. I'm just saying that it seems to fit for me.
If you look at a typical excorsism the person trying to remove the entity usually calls for the help of God to expel the being, they also refer to the entity as a demon or being from hell something related to satan. I mean the victim themselves while in possesion tend to refer to themselves as being 'satan'. While i hardy believe that satan would waste time possessing a single person, i'm sure an entity like a demon would try to impersonate satan. Basically what i'm getting at is that demons and christianity go hand in hand so it only seems right to fit demons with satan as his minions.
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Well what do you mean about religous history? Like what exactly doesn't fit?
I mean its hard for anyone to really know where everything supernatural originates from because i'm sure existed before even the ability to keep a record of such things. I'm just saying that it seems to fit for me.
If you look at a typical excorsism the person trying to remove the entity usually calls for the help of God to expel the being, they also refer to the entity as a demon or being from hell something related to satan. I mean the victim themselves while in possesion tend to refer to themselves as being 'satan'. While i hardy believe that satan would waste time possessing a single person, i'm sure an entity like a demon would try to impersonate satan. Basically what i'm getting at is that demons and christianity go hand in hand so it only seems right to fit demons with satan as his minions.
because western religious history sort of works like this: A man gets called into the dessert by a nameless God, leaves his city of idolatry to wander in the dessert, this small tribe becomes the Israelites that go searching for Abraham's promised land, along the way they run into other cultures, other gods and eventually found Judaism, after so many years a Jew is born that starts preaching the folly of placing more faith in the religious leaders, hierarchy and material wealth, after a few more years they're prosecuted, tortured and fed to the lions for being heretics...picked up by Rome as the fledgling Christianity is on the verge of being wiped out and then some holier than thou emperor shows up with his mother and start gathering relics after a large blazing cross comes to him in a dream, thus the roman catholic church is founded, follow that with the Lutheran and protestant protests and you get the Christianity we have today.
http://www.letusreason.org/Cult11.htm (http://www.letusreason.org/Cult11.htm)
and let's not forget Zoroaster and his dualism, the jews don't have a hell...explain that one.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Theology/Afterlife_and_Messiah/Life_After_Death/Heaven_and_Hell.shtml (http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Theology/Afterlife_and_Messiah/Life_After_Death/Heaven_and_Hell.shtml)
i love the jews, they taught me everything i know about christianity. ;)
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I'll even go one step further with you, Zep. The christian god is supposedly the only one with the power to create and destroy a spirit. Demons are spirits. Therefore, it follows that Satan cannot create spirits or demons.
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Well that is interesting. I really didn't know that the Judaic religion didn't believe in a Hell. Following that then where would people who don't believe in their faith reside? After death do they just dissappear or in the Judaic religion does everyone go to Heaven?
Moloch: I kind of dissagree with you there. Sure God is depicted as a powerful creator but Angels are also very powerful. Under God Angels wouldnt need to create because they are servants of God therefore they would only do as God asks. Lucifer rebelled and left God this could technically open up many doors as Lucifer was one of the most loved and most powerful Angels in heaven. There is a possibility that he could have the power to create as he wanted to be his own 'God' figure.
Now considering Lucifer can't create spirits, lets just go that way. Is it possible that for every spirit he can tempt to sin and corrupt on Earth he can create a demon from them? That way it cuts out the creation process. Just a theory but its possible. I mean you also have another third of angels who rebelled with Lucifer and they became in my opinion 'devils'. The word devil kind of is thought to refer to Lucifer as THE Devil. I think Angels who rebelled became devils.
Its all in theory i mean you can't prove or really disprove it because no one knows for sure. I'm just trying to argue that Lucifer technically could have possessed enough power to create and if he didn't he has other means of obtaining spirits to corrupt and make into demons.
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i posted a link explaining what their perception is, basically for them it's an existence without God, as for your lucifer...
"The answer was a surprise. I had to sit back into a cotton bean bag chair and take a moment before continuing. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."
http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml (http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml)
and that's from the mormons!
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I'll even go one step further with you, Zep. The christian god is supposedly the only one with the power to create and destroy a spirit. Demons are spirits. Therefore, it follows that Satan cannot create spirits or demons.
i support this statement, if the angels were cast from God's grace then any of the "abilities" they had from him would also be gone, they obviously could create life or there'd have been no nephilim to debate...but once God removes Himself from you, you can't exactly claim His gifts, and why those who have been removed from his grace have to become parasites preying on our energy.
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Lucifer waged war against heaven though. I don't think Angels who had entirely lost their abilities could take on Angels who had Gods power. I mean granted they lost and were cast back into Hell they still had to put up a good fight. Lucifer must have retained some of his former glory, probably not all of it but he was created very powerful.
It doesnt make sense to me though the whole Babylonian king idea.. How does a king Rebel against himself? Unless your saying the entire rebellion was just part of the fiction created. And a fallen king? It doesn't really fit in my head..
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I'll even go one step further with you, Zep. The christian god is supposedly the only one with the power to create and destroy a spirit. Demons are spirits. Therefore, it follows that Satan cannot create spirits or demons.
Not trying to step on toes.. but, I disagree with your statement well somewhat. In the christian faith god is the only one who can create a spirit but, Demons are not spirits. Satan could not create a spirit since he himself does not have one. (Nor does any angel fallen or otherwise.)
Lucifer was at one time gods fav till the disagreement over the whole soul/spirit thing in humans and not angels.
We all know how the argument ended. After Lucifer's fall he created demons to torment and corrupt humans to spite god. I do not follow any christian path but this is what Ive discovered in my research.
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Lucifer waged war against heaven though. I don't think Angels who had entirely lost their abilities could take on Angels who had Gods power. I mean granted they lost and were cast back into Hell they still had to put up a good fight. Lucifer must have retained some of his former glory, probably not all of it but he was created very powerful.
It doesnt make sense to me though the whole Babylonian king idea.. How does a king Rebel against himself? Unless your saying the entire rebellion was just part of the fiction created. And a fallen king? It doesn't really fit in my head..
history, read good old fashioned history...and not the high school happy stuff, i'm talking about actual ancient history....there were many kings that like our own presidents made promises and fail in them, those that disagree with the king...like any other politics they had their reporters.
there's no serious support for a war in heaven that resulted in a hell or lucifer...the only fall actually mentioned is those that fell for human women, some links so we understand where you get your ideas may help, where does the lucifer story come from if the jews have it wrong?
milton's paradise lost was pretty fantastic, as was dantes inferno....but those are hardly religious fact
i'm serious, i've posted and stated a lot where i got my belief that lucifer is all romanticized fantasy from 16-17th century literature, yet those that are most adamant he's an actual biblical figure have yet to show me why they disagree.
this is the biggest issue facing spirituality today, so many faiths, ideas and beliefs are muddled with new age, media and fantasy novels that no one really knows what they believe, just what they believe with no basis in anything other than their own understandings. i'm tired of simplifying ideas, linking verification and obviously parables are lost on most of the young here....oh Lord, now i know what Christ went through!!!!
it's called a library people!
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I'll even go one step further with you, Zep. The christian god is supposedly the only one with the power to create and destroy a spirit. Demons are spirits. Therefore, it follows that Satan cannot create spirits or demons.
Not trying to step on toes.. but, I disagree with your statement well somewhat. In the christian faith god is the only one who can create a spirit but, Demons are not spirits. Satan could not create a spirit since he himself does not have one. (Nor does any angel fallen or otherwise.)
Lucifer was at one time gods fav till the disagreement over the whole soul/spirit thing in humans and not angels.
We all know how the argument ended. After Lucifer's fall he created demons to torment and corrupt humans to spite god. I do not follow any christian path but this is what Ive discovered in my research.
you haven't read this thread in it's entirety, have you?
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you haven't read this thread in it's entirety, have you?
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Yes I have not to sure what you mean by that to be honest.
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Whoa... Reading the post is interesting.
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you haven't read this thread in it's entirety, have you?
Yes I have not to sure what you mean by that to be honest.
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What she means is that everything you have just said has already been covered, in some cases more than once. As for stepping on toes? Well I'm going to have to say that the toes you have chosen to step on happen to be one of the biggest sets in this community. Good luck with that. However I do regard your ambition somewhat. "Come big or don't come at all" Now let's see how this all plays out.
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you haven't read this thread in it's entirety, have you?
Yes I have not to sure what you mean by that to be honest.
What she means is that everything you have just said has already been covered, in some cases more than once. As for stepping on toes? Well I'm going to have to say that the toes you have chosen to step on happen to be one of the biggest sets in this community. Good luck with that. However I do regard your ambition somewhat. "Come big or don't come at all" Now let's see how this all plays out.
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Ok i understand some of what Ive said was said before and like you said in some cases more than once. Guess ill get flammed for being the new guy lol. Not sure what you meant by the "Good luck with that" comment..
Thought open discussion is encouraged on forums. So if I disagree with what someone posted I should be able to comment about it in a civil way right? Cause if not it becomes a (insert name here) knows more about the subject because they post more, and credibility goes out the window.
Again not being argumentative at all. I have spent years of my life in study and practical application I only joined to share thoughts/ideas and maybe help a person or two along the way.
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The toes he's referring to you stepping on are mine, and mine are not stepped on lightly by older members, if at all. You earn a reprieve tonight though, as I have had a really rotten day at work and I don't believe you deserve to be the recipient of all of that anger.
Tomorrow night though, or the next day... we shall see.
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Post count counts for squat when it comes to credibility. The proving of ones facts and being completely familiar with the facts of a discussion on the other hand hold great sway in the way of credibility. We do encourage open involvement and even opposing views in discussions, but you should keep one thing in mind when you speak here. We all play for keeps. This is Monstrous Hunter, not the happy fuzzy joy luck community. We help people here to be sure, but it is often through the tough love variety. You'll rarely if ever find the shoulder to cry on type here. Not trying to be crass, not really, but it is the truth.
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Post count counts for squat when it comes to credibility. The proving of ones facts and being completely familiar with the facts of a discussion on the other hand hold great sway in the way of credibility. We do encourage open involvement and even opposing views in discussions, but you should keep one thing in mind when you speak here. We all play for keeps. This is Monstrous Hunter, not the happy fuzzy joy luck community. We help people here to be sure, but it is often through the tough love variety. You'll rarely if ever find the shoulder to cry on type here. Not trying to be crass, not really, but it is the truth.
I strongly suggest you take Muerte's words, learn them, love them, and live them. He's one of the strongest willed people here, and not a cry-on-my-shoulder-if-you-need-to type at all, and he's taking the time to give you good advice while some - like me - would simply berate and verbally assault you until you comply or leave.
He's doing you a favor kid. Man up, or go home.
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Ok i understand some of what Ive said was said before and like you said in some cases more than once. Guess ill get flammed for being the new guy lol. Not sure what you meant by the "Good luck with that" comment..
Thought open discussion is encouraged on forums. So if I disagree with what someone posted I should be able to comment about it in a civil way right? Cause if not it becomes a (insert name here) knows more about the subject because they post more, and credibility goes out the window.
Again not being argumentative at all. I have spent years of my life in study and practical application I only joined to share thoughts/ideas and maybe help a person or two along the way.
discussion and when disagreeable some support that's not personally derived is encouraged, i often times disagree with some of those that frequent this board...we have cordial rounds that become circular arguments with external support when things get hinky. the posters who are always here aren't necessarily always right, but we've been here discussing the same things...a very, very, very long time(for some of us.)we know each others stances that won't change and where there's wiggle room.
share what you've studied, what you've read, what you've experienced...the last two pages have been two people insisting their perception of Lucifer is right, offering nothing but their own statements...i used to empathize with the lucifer sort of angels, those who chose to stand up rather than accept obedience...now i just realize they're spoiled big brothers pushed to the side for the favored prodigal child, we're the temples and they're banned from His glory...i could go on but i'm limited by the pride rule.
however a basic understanding of family dynamics and knowing how that God created His creations can logically show where that story goes; with accepted and established texts for support but lucifer does not come from Jewish text, the bible or even...Mormonism, so where does your Lucifer come from?
that's the problem, not that you think he's something that the bible says he's not, but that you fail to have any support for the disagreement.
my lucifer was a pretty three foot albino king snake, her eyes glowed red in bright light.