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The Darker Side => Demons, Demonology and The Devil => Topic started by: gothcowboy on June 20, 2010, 07:01:15 PM
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there seems to be this belive that on all hallows eve ( all saints day to christians) for a few hours at least the spirets of the dead can come to our world as well as demon. is this just a bunch of balony or is there somthing to it?
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I really have no opinion on the matter, but I did a little research on it.
Most Christians have nothing negative to say about All Saints day, or Halloween as it's more commonly known. They think that it is, as you say "a load of baloney", whereas some think it is an evil tradition, as it originates from the Pagan Festival of the Dead. However the Celt people who started the tradition believed it was a holy time in the calendar.
Jehovah Witnesses believe that Pagan traditions shouldn't be celebrated by true Christians.
I know this doesn't determine whether it's baloney or not, but it's just a little background knowledge :-)
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it is said by an ancient race of Indians that all saints day or halloween is the day of the walking dead. spirits go to the homes of their living relatives where they will eat the energy of the food placed on the doorstep. is it crap is it real non of the living can say. in all actuality it is up to you to decide
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I do believe in this story actually. Halloween used to be a holy Holiday, then it got transformed into the demon/monster party we have now. People now days dress up as monsters and other supernatural things. This is an excellent time for spirits to come to town. Since everyone is dressed up odd I think spirits would blend right in. (assuming people see them)
I think that dressing up as these supernatural entities seems to attract them. Perhaps this flatters them or maybe insults them. But such a mass number of people are doing this that it seems to have an effect.
I will put this holiday in my perspective and I think people will understand how it may attract spirits and open up the gate to the underworld.
Picture that this is a ritual. On Halloween the 31st of October every year young children go out side. They do this at about 6:00 p.m. and it extends to about 8:00 p.m. These kids for this ritual will dress up as supernatural entities and go door to door. They will request the people who answer the door to give them "trick or treat" The person who answers the door can choose either to give to the children.
Now many children are doing this in mass, every year. It seems as though this could provoke something. I will ask someone to continue on what I said.
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A good perception of the night, but I prefer to make others work for their answers. Cowboy, you can find the beginnings of your answers here and through a little attentive research I am sure you will be able to give us your insight on this oh so holy of days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samhain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samhain)
Edit: had to actually add the link.......DOH!
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Halloween started off as two things: 1. a remeberance of the dead day, most people believed in ancestrial veneration 2. It was the one day of the year that the dead could come back to visit to be honored by their decendents. All saints day was placed the day after Halloween to make it possible to get people to stop 'worshipping' the dead because it is a sin to 'talk to ghosts' according to some of the laws in the Bible. But it is alright for the people to worship the Saints who have passed on.
But this was much later, Halloween started off as a harvest festivle where the people believed that they had to harvest the crops before a certain time in November or this nasty little entity called the Pooka would come and destroy the fields (disease the fields, make them uneatable). The pooka also was given a portion of the crop so that it would ensure the food to last through storage in the winter. Due to the mass quantities of food the people would have and the harvest celebration it would only make sense to honor the ancestors for their past hard work and labor.
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haha halloween has always been my favourite holiday because its the only day of the year that you can contact your dead family members and they can get back to peace.
not to mention scaring little kids when they come to my house
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haha halloween has always been my favourite holiday because its the only day of the year that you can contact your dead family members and they can get back to peace.
not to mention scaring little kids when they come to my house
Scaring children is easy, try scaring adults.
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I can always get my mate to jump on my shoulders put on a trench coat and follow a young lady around town at 11 o'clock at night :-D
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XD XD i LOVE halloween, i've always loved it because all the whores are tryin to be all ditsy to impress their boyfriends at haunted houses by being insanely loud and easy to scare XD XD
i find halloween the most humorous holiday for myself XD XD hehe and plus the candy X) i love candy : )
XD anyways i already scare the hell out of people just by my presence strangely because i give off an "evil vibe" which im ALWAYS told by everyone XD XD
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http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/origin-of-halloween.htm (http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/origin-of-halloween.htm)
everything considered western religion is derived from rome's dominance.
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http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/origin-of-halloween.htm (http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/origin-of-halloween.htm)
everything considered western religion is derived from rome's dominance.
Unfortionate but true.
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Where I grew up there were a lot of Satanists so there were a lot of cat sacrifices on Halloween. I don't know anywhere else, but stores wouldn't sell black cats around Halloween. I'm sure on top of that they're casting all kinds of others spells and what not. I personally never cared for candy so Halloween was never my thing.
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awe : *( i knew of course black cats were killed/tortured but makes me sad to be told 'bout that because i LOVE black cats
:-o :? wow, eh not not many candy people XD except for mogar and i XD
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Where I grew up there were a lot of Satanists so there were a lot of cat sacrifices on Halloween. I don't know anywhere else, but stores wouldn't sell black cats around Halloween. I'm sure on top of that they're casting all kinds of others spells and what not. I personally never cared for candy so Halloween was never my thing.
The ones who do/participate in these clandestine actions are nothing ore than wanna bes'. Sacrificing things on Halloween really has no significance and black cats? Really? I have no doubts that they wouldn't know what a true spell component is. If they could tell me how to obtain some corpse water or how to bequeath coffin nails with true worth I would e amazed. They are nothing more than fools acting out to impress other idiots and to piss off what they see as the oppressive adult authority figure.
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Where I grew up there were a lot of Satanists so there were a lot of cat sacrifices on Halloween. I don't know anywhere else, but stores wouldn't sell black cats around Halloween. I'm sure on top of that they're casting all kinds of others spells and what not. I personally never cared for candy so Halloween was never my thing.
people are such idiots and yes they are wannabees. Satanists don't really sacrifice things... And why a cat that is just bad luck to kill one to begin with. If someone did that in my area I would call the police for animal cruelty.
But speaking of black cats, for my IS topic I was reading some myths and legends about lilith from medieval judaism and it was talking about how lilith or her followers could turn into black cats, which is very interesting. The book is called "Reimagining the Bible" by Howard Schwartz. Very very interesting and a lot of stories I have grown up with I found out where they came from. It is interesting how Jewish stories got intertwined in the dark ages with local cultures and how they affected local populations as well (considering most stayed in their own small communities called ghettos).
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ah makes very sense and i've heard many times that sacrificing a black cat doesn't really do anything
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Hallowen, Xmas, etc all stem from the tales our ancestors who huddled in ther huts and caves because they couldn't figure out while the sun died every day. Everything else is just embelishment.
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ah well makes sense XD well not x-mas tho XD
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the way I see it, there aren't gates to hell...
let's go over my believes of the universe and such.
There is more than one universe (I'm not talking about clusters like the milky way we live in, but everything together)
for the lack of a better term let's call them realms.
let us visualize a realm throug an orb: ( )
each realm can be considered as ether or air to the other realm, why is this, because they aren't really there and yet they are.
realms can envelop upon eachother, meld, just like star clusters and galaxies can meld to (believe me, it happens).
so the different gods and such over time could be explained throughout different realms being melded and by such certain other beings gain access to our realm.
(( )) like this, but it can happen in a 3D radius. sometimes these creatures can really enter our realm but sometimes only certain people can see them because both realms are just passing through imagelike not static.
don't know what the others think of this theory, but I envelloped it because of science having proof that certain galaxies have melded, or star clusters, etc, some even pass through eachother without damaging eachother. so why not with different realms.
if, by any chance there are "gates" to other realms they would have to be gates covering up wormholes in space. not sure they exist though.
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ah ok and how long ago was that proven ? -> to LeXtruX
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It sounds like Lex is referring to both the Multiverse theory and String Theory, as well as Branes and other such high level physics and quantum physical ideas.
http://www.astronomy.pomona.edu/Projects/moderncosmo/Sean%27s%20mutliverse.html (http://www.astronomy.pomona.edu/Projects/moderncosmo/Sean%27s%20mutliverse.html)
http://www.superstringtheory.com/ (http://www.superstringtheory.com/)
Note however, that for Lex to be right then not only would these other beings and creatures have to be able to travel at will from one universe to another, they would have to be able to do so without any protective equipment, and keep their equipment from unduly interfering with and/or destroying the environment and people of the places they visit. This is highly unlikely given the energies involved; not to mention possessing insane levels of technology and natural abilities that would have to not only work in thier home universe, but in ours as well, where the physical constants may be different.
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wow very interesting and a toughie X)
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Lol, this is the easy stuff. It gets harder.
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ah ok and how long ago was that proven ? -> to LeXtruX
saw a documentary about it some months ago. about galaxies having melded into eachother and that there is one on its way here, though it will take a long time (forgot the number along with the time) before it will happen, we will never live to see it^^
moloch, I know this too, that's why I think they appear as shadowforms and ghosts and such, they are here, yet they are not.
sometimes they can communicate with us and visa versa. we just see them and they see us because they are not fysically here and we are not there in body either.
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Also, on the topic of galaxies 'melding' together. This is incorrect. It's called a galactic merger, and it does not leave the constituent galaxies unharmed.
A little light reading: http://deep-space-astronomy.suite101.com/article.cfm/when_galaxies_collide (http://deep-space-astronomy.suite101.com/article.cfm/when_galaxies_collide)
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Also, on the topic of galaxies 'melding' together. This is incorrect. It's called a galactic merger, and it does not leave the constituent galaxies unharmed.
A little light reading: http://deep-space-astronomy.suite101.com/article.cfm/when_galaxies_collide (http://deep-space-astronomy.suite101.com/article.cfm/when_galaxies_collide)
The documentary I saw said there is a chance they just meld together without anything being harmed, they are unsure of what could happen, I haven't read the article yet that you posted, I surely will, I'm just stating what I saw in the documentary ^^
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so future galactic merges will occur yet many universes have already been united ? which would explain why its possible to enter different realms ?
or both are correct ? X)
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Lex - Those documentaries are about complex topics and as such are dumbed down for the armchair enthusiast. If you want to truly understand a thing, you must do the work yourself.
CM - To oversimplify a simple topic: "Everything and everyone has happened, existed, and been right, and been wrong. All things possible can and do occur at every instant - down to slices of time beyond man's ability to measure." For example, we live in this universe. Yet in nearly the same space, we have a whole other universe. The sole difference between the two is the position of an electron under observation; the difference being no greater than the width or breadth of a strand of quantum string. Yet these two vastly different observations are enough to cause the universe to split into two separate universes. In essence, what we see at every instant creates a new universe.
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Well actually Moloch my view is sort of like yours but mine differs a little. Every choice we make creates a new universe(s). Those universes are based on the results of the other choices we did not make. This goes for every person and they are infinitely growing in number all the time.
Now time is an illusion (I posted a topic explaining why I thought so). The past, present and future are all happening at once. However they are not divided into different universes, with time they are all in the same universe.
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Well actually Moloch my view is sort of like yours but mine differs a little. Every choice we make creates a new universe(s). Those universes are based on the results of the other choices we did not make. This goes for every person and they are infinitely growing in number all the time.
You just rephrased what I said.
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CM - To oversimplify a simple topic
i understood what everyone was saying BUT i just wanted to be clear of whats responsible of the universes that contain different creatures like the faes, elves, and all of that NOT of the universes created by our actions and of "what could of been". i'm not stupid...
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Then it seems I did not fully understand what you said in your terms. I had to convert them to mine. I do apologize for any confusion.
Those creatures don't really live in different universes as far as I know. They live in different realms. They still exist in this universe but are separate from outsiders. I hope someone has a good analogy to simplify it.
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My apologies...
Let me say it another way...
Those 'universes' are not "there"; they're "here". Damn, I really am sorry. When it comes to the exquisitely complex I find it difficult to simplify things enough for lay people to understand well enough to converse about.
Think of all of the different universes as different X-Men comic book titles in the Marvel comics universe. These titles are all different in some way, but they're all the same and in the same universe. Does that help?
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Okay I see Moloch's angle and I will try to apply example.
The universe is big, it is expanding, It is infinite. There are stars, glaxies, black holes, comets, and planets. (small list to be simple) Each universe is like this, they are just copies of ours with subtle changes. Each subtle change creates a new universe. This subtle change can effect the universe in a big way or a small way. In one universe we may of blown up the moon, in another it is fine. In one universe we blew up the moon and mars. In another the moon is blown up but mars is fine. In this one both are fine. But very subtle changes can branch off into new universes.
In one universe you may be rich, in another poor. You could be a queen or just a wench. In one universe you could be the president of the united states. With this in mind you could be anything.
Even the order and language I typed these words in would change and create new universes. That is how infinite they are. How subtle the changes can be.
Essentially it boils down to time is an illusion and you are everything.
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ah ok and yes thanx. just remember i'm not stupid, i may not say much because apparently people misunderstand me, i accidentally offend people, or that i don't have enough knowledge of that subject so in that situation its best not to say much because if i do then i'll sound like an ignorant dumb ass which i'm not. and then i think outside of the box, i see the different side of things. XD
Okay I see Moloch's angle and I will try to apply example.
The universe is big, it is expanding, It is infinite. There are stars, glaxies, black holes, comets, and planets. (small list to be simple) Each universe is like this, they are just copies of ours with subtle changes. Each subtle change creates a new universe. This subtle change can effect the universe in a big way or a small way. In one universe we may of blown up the moon, in another it is fine. In one universe we blew up the moon and mars. In another the moon is blown up but mars is fine. In this one both are fine. But very subtle changes can branch off into new universes.
In one universe you may be rich, in another poor. You could be a queen or just a wench. In one universe you could be the president of the united states. With this in mind you could be anything.
Even the order and language I typed these words in would change and create new universes. That is how infinite they are. How subtle the changes can be.
Essentially it boils down to time is an illusion and you are everything.
thanx matthew... but i've gotten the point LONG ago XD (and if u didn't apply that example for me then thats a good example of how i think outside the box, i'd rather not get into that and explain anyways u're smart so u'd get what i mean XD )
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Stupidity and genius are the same thing, and both are relative to one another.
And Matthew, you only got it half right. On top of all of that, all of the disparate universes are both this one, and all of the other ones, in this same universes, in nearly this same space we are in. Don't worry, the concepts I'm introducing here are not for the faint of heart. It takes many of the most gifted intellects years to comprehend them as fully as the current human intellect can.
You want a real mindfark? All of what you percieve, and all of what you don't perceive may be nothing but three dimensional holograms rendered in four dimensions and embedded in a universe of infinite dimensions. Try wrapping your brains around that one.
Now, in such a creation as this... with all of this complexity and splendor... why would any 'creator' bother with such impressive insignificance as humanity in all its splendor? Why would such a thing bother to create a heaven or a Hell? Why would it care what we do to each other, or say about it? Why would a being capable of what we see around us find so much value in a such a renowned clusterfark as humanity when it could create beings of vastly greater potential?
Think people!
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and i see this is one of the many ways u love to torture people moloch *<:)
wow and surprisingly i've gotten what you just said moloch but i don't want to type my interpretation because I KNOW it won't come out right and not what i want to say to which people would get it XD XD.
The universe is big, it is expanding, It is infinite. There are stars, glaxies, black holes, comets, and planets. (small list to be simple) Each universe is like this, they are just copies of ours with subtle changes. Each subtle change creates a new universe. This subtle change can effect the universe in a big way or a small way. In one universe we may of blown up the moon, in another it is fine. In one universe we blew up the moon and mars. In another the moon is blown up but mars is fine. In this one both are fine. But very subtle changes can branch off into new universes.
well matthew wasn't completely off, the only thing that i see is wrong is that he mentions that there are multiple universes with subtle changes, u've just said that there are multiple universe BUT they're different somehow but the same in the same space, am i off as well ? *<:)
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I agree with Moloch on this one, i have heard the theory behind the 11 parallel demisions, or universes that work kind of like the techtonic plates on earth. each deminsion is the same but with different outcomes for example in one deminsion hitler may have won world war II and took over the world.
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I think I get what you are saying, if I am correct all I need to change is multiple universes to dimensions. These dimensions are next to ours but we only interact with the third dimension. They contain the subtle changes but are still within the same universe with the same conscience (god).
You want a real mindfark? All of what you percieve, and all of what you don't perceive may be nothing but three dimensional holograms rendered in four dimensions and embedded in a universe of infinite dimensions. Try wrapping your brains around that one.
From what I gather from this you are suggesting we are in the matrix.
We only interact with the third dimension objects. We create a chair to sit in. Yesterday it did not exist and in the future it will cease to exist. It is only here for the present. Therefore it only resides in a small amount of dimensions. It is indeed a temporary construct that does not last forever. Same thing with any object in our dimension. Some dimensions have the chair right now some don't. Some are at the future point it does not exist anymore and some are at the point it was never made. It is temporary construct and it will not last. It is like a hologram because it almost isn't there, it is only there right now.
Okay I tried I hope I pass.
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cats of all sizes have been in as many cultures as there are cultures that deal with them. most black cat american superstition comes from the puritans...a man and his son are walking home late, the boy throws rocks at a black cat crossing the road. the next morning the town hag was brusied all over her body. shall we discuss the bless you after a sneeze or why it's bad luck to walk under a ladder? quantum physics?!? and people are confused with magic and myth, why not add some gasoline? it's not magic, realities are just merging...poor little witches.
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I'm glad to see you brought your wet blanket to my campfire, Jordyn.
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i'm too jaded to require a wet blanket. i believe in this stuff i really do, some people just make it sound so preposterous and uneducated. it's not charm on crack, it's messing with stuff we're not entirely equipped for at this stage of our (general state of humanity)spiritual development. we can't even figure out gods like we can master their first creations?
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Oh, I know. I just like messing with people; as you well know.
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quantum physics for me is akin to knowing the mind of god. my grandpa had them sandwiched between folk magic books and electrician manuals for navy warships...so i can understand how the theory would work for the spiritual realm, fortunately you don't need an advanced science degree to understand. *winks* i'm an artist, i can create worlds but can't explain them. think bachelors not masters. *big grin*
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Ah, but a community is only as strong as its weakest member. So, by strengthening the minds of these young people we are actually doing everyone a favor. Plus, I personally would rather hold intelligent conversations about things; as opposed to the usual tripe about which skinny-minny-boy-toy is cuter or whatever else most kids want to talk about on the internet these days.
By the way, despite our differences, it is good to see that you still post here occasionally. Too many of the Great Old Ones are gone now.
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ok then i'm completely off XD
and people are confused with magic and myth, why not add some gasoline? it's not magic, realities are just merging...poor little witches.
well i'd say its(referring to magic and myth) just another thing that people want to be hyped up 'bout but don't really know what it is because they only know what is portrayed on tv, books, and movies.
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Actually, there was more to what she said than is apparent, CM. You see, on this Forum, we can and do sling insults. However, many of us learned years ago how to do it so subtly that only the very intelligent would get it. What she said was actually a jab at me, which is why I mentioned her and her wet blanket, etc.
In fact, despite her completely illogical presence here, she is still one of only a few christians I respect at all because she tends to not proselytize and she's quite intelligent. You can learn a lot from people like her.
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ah ok well i didn't notice that... now i kinda feel a little stupid.... eh just a wrong interpretation or not..
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No need to feel stupid, CM. Just bare in mind that you're dealing with two of the oldest member here that are still actively posting. As such, we often have little discussions inside each of our posts that only those with a lot of time invested here can follow. In fact, Loki and Markus are probably the only two active members here with more time on this Forum than I have, if that tells you anything.
So, if you're ever unsure of how to respond to something, shoot someone a PM, and we'll answer as best we can, if we can. This is also true of anyone else on this Forum. Before you get offended and launch into a diatribe which will almost certainly get one of us to lay down a blistering inferno, ASK. Many misunderstandings can be prevented by following this simple advice.
Now, we should get back to topic before one of the staff tells us to do so.
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I am in compliance with Moloch if you dont understand something dont feel unintelligent just ask this site is for learning just as much as it is discussing. Alot of us on here are very intellegent in certain areas in others not so well so if one of us cant answer the question we can find someone who can.
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Ah, but a community is only as strong as its weakest member. So, by strengthening the minds of these young people we are actually doing everyone a favor. Plus, I personally would rather hold intelligent conversations about things; as opposed to the usual tripe about which skinny-minny-boy-toy is cuter or whatever else most kids want to talk about on the internet these days.
By the way, despite our differences, it is good to see that you still post here occasionally. Too many of the Great Old Ones are gone now.
some of the topics just really wrile me up, i'm too old for glam now. ;) I'm a happy person that prays quietly to my God, thinks way too much and tries to survive in the real world as a perpetual student that witnesses magnificent things.
supernatural brightens my day frequently to, they did this wonderful burst where a gateway to hell was broken open, my favorite episode was when they encountered the seven deadly sins...three of which are my personal tests, wrath, greed and gluttony are not them. ;)
bloody mallory was probably the most outrageous movie i've ever seen with a gateway to hell, the gate was just awesom, but that was more like a gate to ancient sumeria. *eeks*
but in reality, those gates were opened by pandora and we've not been able to get them back in, it's nothing new.
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I am in compliance with Moloch if you dont understand something dont feel unintelligent just ask this site is for learning just as much as it is discussing. Alot of us on here are very intellegent in certain areas in others not so well so if one of us cant answer the question we can find someone who can.
ah ok well sometimes i'm kinda scared to ask XD, even though by now its gone through that i'm not a twilight freak/vampire wanna bee or anything like that i still don't wanna get that impression again XD but just to say i'm not into twilight i think its a waste of time and creepy as hell that its all basically the author's sex fantasy (she revealed it in an interview- those weren't the exact words and thats what my friend(also hates twilight) told me).
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so if there really isn't a gate to the underworld/hell then where in the hell did the idea come from? :? oh wait.... let me guess the bible or somewhere down the line when it was orally passed down some1 decided to be a smart ass and add that there are gates of the underworld/hell *<:)
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Hell, the place, is named after Hel, both the place and godess of the same name in Norse Mythology. It was introduced into the catholic mythos to try to both convert the Vikings, and to have a wonderfully terrifying abode for sinners.
The Gates of Hell are based on the Gates into Hades... and were incorporated for the same reason.
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damn those greeks and romans...but yeah the idea of hell basically comes from greco roman religions, the bible never goes into depth about hell and for the israelites, ghenna was comparible to a life without God, that would be most akin to any biblical hell; left to burn in a pit made to dispose of contagious garbge and diseased bodies.
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ah well i've questioned once that the idea of hell didn't originate from catholicism, i mean its always sounded too much like the underworld (greek mythology) but wait, the bible's version of hell -> that hell didn't originate from catholicism ????
well of
ah ok well that makes sense gates of hell = gates of the underworld :doh:
although i never knew that the christian version of hell was named after a godess from norse mythology XD
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I am not sure where the idea abouts gates of hell and the underworld actually come from but i can say that there are experiences available to us that do seem to be described quite well by this myth.
Certain non western traditions describe 'levels beneath' this world that can be sensed and even entered. Perhaps the easiest way to sense them is when we go out into the ocean or other large bodies of water and start to feel the vastness beneath. If you get a sense of utter dread and irrational fear then this is one of the entry ways into the levels beneath that you are starting to momentarily feel. (There are things that we can do with water that enable us to use it as a gateway.)
Following certain practices i have intentionally have gazed into these depths. I can attest that the pull that is exerted on the pereciever is horrendous. farks you up for days afterwards. The feelings of what you witness stays with you for years as a background mood when merely remembering anything associated with it.
Beyond merely gazing I did manage to get to enter one of these levels beneath once. I cant say that the entry was much like a gate, more like an extreme pressure all over the body and bizzarely something akin to the feeling of soap being extruded through the surface of the skin that is somehow connected to entering the complete new world environment that i started to see. (I can only describe the experience not explain it ok)
The following moments were then like being trapped up against a wall that would not let see the world i had come from only the world in front of me. There are definate sensorial transitions of passing from one world to another. They are experienced completely, at total body level. The dread and terror i experienced at realising i was out of this world layer is difficult to convey in words.
When people talk about hell or the underworld i find that their mythical ideas fit my actual experience rather well in many ways.
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ok so when u sense a gateway then what else, do u need other things to help open up this gateway ?
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CM i dont think i will even waste my time trying to explain this to you.
As far as i have seen you are lazy and have no real interest in learning anything that is not reduced to cartoon like levels.
I dont believe you really want to know the answer.
You are only after a bit of mental entertainment that will agree with the other nonsense stories in your head.
Besides, you are always searching to feel hurt and offended by anything resembling real communication.
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CM i dont think i will even waste my time trying to explain this to you.
As far as i have seen you are lazy and have no real interest in learning anything that is not reduced to cartoon like levels.
I dont believe you really want to know the answer.
You are only after a bit of mental entertainment that will agree with the other nonsense stories in your head.
Besides, you are always searching to feel hurt and offended by anything resembling real communication.
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i do but then when i have people to talk to about this and want to ask questions and learn more they don't talk to me anymore.
and i want to learn to learn the real stuff and not what you said, once i have my own car thats when i'll go to the library and do research myself, i just don't really look on the internet i mean God knows whats true and anyways i think i would get more out of finding these things out MYSELF because then if i just rely on other people for the information then THATS being lazy. so that way by the time i'm filled of that knowledge i can actually contribute in the topics, did you ever think of that ? no of course because you only see me as a stupid lazy ass person and not really thinking deeper than that when the truth is there!
i'm not always searching to feel hurt and offended by anything close to real communication i just want to talk to people and thats just my negativity if that wasn't picked up which i'm surprised because out of all people you should know that since for a brief time when i first came to monstrous you and i would talk about these things and you got to know me personally. so don't even think you've got me down as the type of person thats lazy and stupid because i'm not at all !!
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before you try playing with hellgates, maybe you should familiarize yourself with hell...do you have any experience in dealing with what may be guarding it?
i don't have any concerns about hell, having been there and done that...i'm done with it. however once you do open that, inner gateway of yours; they're near impossible to be rid of no matter how hard you want to stop them, you just keep cutting and offering more of yourself every day until you realize you have no humanity left.
that'd be the most simple gate to reach, and the most probable...us.
how much of our existance as the human race have we evoked or invoked spiritual entities and allowed them into our world?
really, some questions seem they should be so obvious in their answer, people need to think more and act less when it comes to creatures that in reality no one has any idea what they really are, just that they are what we make them...
is some fancy wrought iron out of a horror movie gate guarded by some huge beast necessary to walk in and say hi, dinner time?