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The Darker Side => Demons, Demonology and The Devil => Topic started by: Brendon87 on June 25, 2010, 09:30:58 AM
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If you knew the means to summon an angel, would you try it?
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Angels are furious warriors. Only if there where no other way I would summon them.
When you read about them, they are kinda scary.
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Well depends
Summon an angel to help me against some unnatural force? Yes
Summon one to shoot the s**t or ask questions? Probably
So what are angels exactly are they benevolent spirits as opposed to spiteful spirits like demons? Or maybe neutral? Or are they just like what the bible says they are?
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Probably not, I don't believe I will ever need their assistance. Besides, I find them to be a little too stuffy for my taste, maybe it's because I have spent so much time in the Dark.
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Haha Angels furious Warriors in the bible (as much as i could stand to read) angels were gods protectors and unfortunatly they where very tough warriors but i dont think a human or even nation could some one angel because there was only a few heres the list thanks to wikipedia
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Adriel (Judeo-Christian)
Ambriel (Judeo-Christian)
Amesha Spenta (Zoroastrianism)
Anaelachiem (Angelology)
Arariel (Jewish mythology)
Arham (Islamic)
Ariel (Judeo-Christian)
Archangels (Judeo-Christian-Islamic)
Azazel (Judeo-Christian-Islamic)
Azrael (Judeo-Christian-Islamic)
[edit]B
Barachiel (Christian)
Bene Elohim (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]C
Cassiel (Judeo-Christian)
Cherub/Cherubim (Judeo-Christian)
Camael (a.k.a. Kemuel) (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]D
Darda'il (Islamic)
Dominions (a.k.a. Kyriotetes) (Judeo-Christian)
Dumah (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]E
Eremiel (Judeo-Christian)
Ecanus
Ezekiel
[edit]F
[edit]G
Gabriel (Judeo-Christian-Islamic), also known in Arabic texts as Jibril (Christian, Islamic)
Gadreel (Hebrean-Judeo-Christian)
Gagiel, Angel of Fishermen (Judeo-Christian)
Grigori (a.k.a. Watchers) (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]H
Hadraniel (Judeo-Christian)
Haniel (Judeo-Christian)
Harut (Islamic)
Hesediel see also Zadkiel (Judeo-Christian)
Hamalat al-Arsh (Islamic)
[edit]I
Ireul (Judeo-Christian)
Israfel, also written Israfil (Islamic), often considered same as Judeo-Christian Raphael
Illyriel (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]J
Jegudiel (Christian)
Jehoel (Judeo-Christian)
Jequn (Hebrean-Judeo-Christian)
Jerahmeel (Judeo-Christian)
Jophiel (Judeo-Christian)
Jundallah (Islamic)
[edit]K
Kasdeja (Hebrean-Judeo-Christian)
Kiraman Katibin (Islamic)
Kushiel (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]L
Leliel (Judeo-Christian)
Lucifer (Judeo-Christian)
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Malik (Islamic)
Marut (Islamic)
Metatron (Judeo-Christian)
Michael (Judeo-Christian), Mikhail, (Islamic)
Moroni (Mormonism)
Munkar (Islamic)
Muaqqibat (Islamic)
Muriel (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]N
Nakir (Islamic)
Nephi (Mormonism)
Nuriel (Jewish mythology)
[edit]O
Ophan/Ophanim (Judeo-Christian) see also Thrones
Orifiel (Christian)
[edit]P
Pahaliah (Christian)
Penemua (Hebrean-Judeo-Christian)
Powers (Judeo-Christian)
Principalities (Judeo-Christian)
Puriel (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]Q
Qaphsiel (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]R
Raguel (Judeo-Christian-Islamic)
Raphael, also known in Arabic texts as Israfel (Judeo-Christian-Islamic)
Raqib (Islamic)
Raziel (Judeo-Christian)
Remiel (Judeo-Christian)
Ridwan (Islamic)
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Sachiel (Judeo-Christian)
Samael (Judeo-Christian)
Sandalphon (Judeo-Christian)
Sariel (Judeo-Christian-Islamic)
Satan (Judeo-Christian) Shaitaan (Islamic)
Selaphiel (Christian)
Seraph/Seraphim (Judeo-Christian)
Seraphiel (Judeo-Christian)
Simiel (Christian)
Shamsiel (Judeo-Christian)
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Tennin (Japanese mythology)
Thrones (Judeo-Christian)
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Uriel (Judeo-Christian)
Uzziel (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]V
Virtues (Judeo-Christian)
[edit]W
Wormwood (Christian)
[edit]Y
[edit]Z
Zabaniyah (Islamic)
Zachariel (Christian)
Zadkiel (Judeo-Christian)
Zeruel (Judeo-Christian)
Zephon (Jewish mythology)
Zophiel (Judeo-Christian)
And these are Angels which are equal with just as many Devils which cast out demons which we still see today but an angel is way stronger than a demon so id summon one in the most exetreme cases im saying worse than hollywood movies so im saying your getting messed around with Legion or Amon and dude your screwed before you know whats going on
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A nice cut and paste job. Next time however could you just do it like this.
I chose a separate portion of Wikipedia so there would be more information available on angels, no need to reiterate someone else. However you can see how it is much easier to look though this post. Not saying the way you did it was wrong, but this is more efficient.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel)
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sorry haha i was showing that there isnt much compared to demons and its not much compared to all the claims around the world you agree because angels and demons are completely different i always thought angels ranked up near devils then demons because if a mere preist can expell something like a demon than that would be i guess an insult to the angel kind
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hmm I think you guys should read more about angels.... traditionally angels were messengers of God. Then they evolved into 'powers' of God, or the forces God controlled which also included warrior angels (because of being able to destroy cities). They never really 'protect' God as you are saying. Yes they gaurd the realms of heaven but God is much more powerful then they are so really doesn't need protection. Angels 'protect' God's will. Therefore they go out and enact his will upon man and other beings.
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very true i think angels are intriguing because created by god like according to infomation (gotta love wikipedia) where created by god/goddess in a pure form by god like man and woman but the difference was that they SERVED GOD and after the envy of mankind and free will they rebelled and god cast them to hell where our fallen angels became known as the devils (everyone knows already) they set out spirits of dead men and woman to do their bidding therefore demons because they have a purpose (unlike ghosts) to be annoying,mischievous,deadly and make people on this forum sound like they have a mental disorder so the remaining angels (Christan ones refer to list) still serve god and they had massive holy war and still fighting apparently to this day.
but man I've had enough of christanolgy talk just remember that this kind of story has been in other religions
Buddha had the devil try to sway him from the life of good with temptation
just like Jesus but they both refused there are millions of other passages in other religions books that are almost the exact same so just try to keep your eyes open
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hmm I think you guys should read more about angels.... traditionally angels were messengers of God. Then they evolved into 'powers' of God, or the forces God controlled which also included warrior angels (because of being able to destroy cities). They never really 'protect' God as you are saying. Yes they gaurd the realms of heaven but God is much more powerful then they are so really doesn't need protection. Angels 'protect' God's will. Therefore they go out and enact his will upon man and other beings.
I am with you on this. Have read lately from the Jewish Encyclopedia on their Angelology. Very long but interresting.
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I find Angeology to be fascinating, and further more the concept of a "Guardian Angel" has been something that I firmly believe in. I would love to come into contact with Azrael, because if what his descriptions say are true, then he's the wisest of his kind as well as the oldest. The things I could learn from him would be amazing. So in the end I would summon an Angel if not just to talk to it and get to know it.
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guardian angels in my ideal are in my thought would be spirits who made it heaven/avalon/you name it who are close friends with you or your family because if a guardian angel is following you through your entire life old saying blood is thicker than water so with these i allways thought that my ancestors or passed on relitives where watching me not Uriel The Angel Of Healing aye?
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Correction Raphael is the angel of healing. Uriel is the angel over the dominions also known as the angel of fire. This particular angel was used by God to show the wrath upon the earth. Uriel controls the forces of nature.
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i thought uriel was healing i had this card abut him and his powers which said healing and he was an archangel
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Uriel is an archangel, I know some traditions ask him for healing but that is not his main purpose. Raphael is the traditional angel for healing. Go read the Book of Tobit or Tobias (depending on what translation you read).
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wait is ariel an archangel and what does he reside over
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depends on what tradition you are looking at but sometimes he is a fallen angel. look up the Dictionary of Angels: Including the Fallen Angels by Gustav Davidson as a starting point. Happy Searching :-D
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Thanks For The Fun Fact Il Get To It When I Can Be Bothered (Dont Take Offence I Dont Like Doing Much :P)
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Thanks For The Fun Fact Il Get To It When I Can Be Bothered (Dont Take Offence I Dont Like Doing Much :P)
Most people under the age of 18 often suffer this malady, so we promise not to expect anything spectacular.
P.S. Do you think you can Capitalize only the beginning of your sentences? Your last post caused me to go cross eyed while trying to read it.
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Thanks For The Fun Fact Il Get To It When I Can Be Bothered (Dont Take Offence I Dont Like Doing Much :P)
P.S. Do you think you can Capitalize only the beginning of your sentences? Your last post caused me to go cross eyed while trying to read it.
I just thought it was an indication of being mentally handicapped.
Angels have historically had many jobs. From guardians to messengers. They are liken to God Himself, so being in their presence would most likely be too overwhelming to allow any bulls**tting sessions. However, if it were possible, I'd have so many questions. Call on them for protection? Not so much. I like to go straight to the top. :wink:
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This is an interesting topic, yet everybody has failed to mention the possible outcomes. If SOMEHOW, u managed to summond an angel, why would it help or even speak to you? Remember, Angels were created for the purpose of serving god, not man. They are gods angels. how would God himself react if it was would out that a human was using 1 of his angels for that persons own purposes? and, if u were strong enough to summon an angel, u should also be strong enough to deal with your own problems too, right?
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You know upon some reflection I think I have come up with the perfect way to summon one of "Gods" little helpers.
It really is rather simple if you ask any practicing Christian.
I am amazed it hadn't occurred to me before this.
I am dumbfounded that someone else hasn't thought of it before me.
I was just so simple.
What is it?
On word.
Prayer!
You simple must get down on your knees and pray to god to send you some help, and if you pray hard enough, God will send you the help you need.
This obviously only works if you are a firm believer/praticioner of Christianity of course. Oh, and I am sure it will take more than one prayer session, but eventually...........
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actually in the Jewish tradition, yes they served God, but he made them give up their free will and bow down to man. That is why we get demons in the first place (if you believe that story).
But some traditions say that demons came before angels, and that some creatures, like the Jinn, still have free will and can choose to be good or evil.
Other sources say that these rites were given to man before he became sinful so that he could protect himself from evil.
So yeah I guess it depends on where you lay in your beliefs.
I do believe that prayer is the most effective.
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Angels were created to protect God's greatest creation.............. Man.
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We are gods greatest creation but we as a species have fallen so far from grace it is a marvel that god has not ended it yet again.
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To say "yet again" God would have ended to human race before. He obviously hasn't, since we're all still here. :doh:
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We are gods greatest creation but we as a species have fallen so far from grace it is a marvel that god has not ended it yet again.
have you read what He used to call the Israelites? *eeks*
He understands our flesh now and used to our weaknesses.
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there need to be more thinkers like you! :D
the problem is people expect some amazing winged being of magnificence tossing around miracles, they don't think of that timely meeting with someone of the flesh who helps out when you really need it. :)
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actually in the Jewish tradition, yes they served God, but he made them give up their free will and bow down to man. That is why we get demons in the first place (if you believe that story).
But some traditions say that demons came before angels, and that some creatures, like the Jinn, still have free will and can choose to be good or evil.
Other sources say that these rites were given to man before he became sinful so that he could protect himself from evil.
So yeah I guess it depends on where you lay in your beliefs.
I do believe that prayer is the most effective.
the jinn though are of eastern ideal and subject to different rules, in my opinion.
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You know we are all contemplating the summoning of angels and a thought hit me while I sit here and review all that has been said so far. "God helps those who help themselves" (Brownie points to those who point out the origin of this quote). Do not you all think it possible that no matter how many ceremonies you try and attempt that Gods angels will simply ignore you unless you have sought to resolve your problem yourself first. And I mean truly with all of your heart attempted to make do on your own. We are, after all, Gods favored creation so we must posses the ability to overcome the adversity in our lives on our own.
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What do you mean by summon?
If you mean like they do in movies then i probably wouldn't
However if I need protection or strength or guidance its not hard to just ask and God will send one to look after you
You wont see him, or not always feel him but hes there
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well i wouldn't summon angels because i wouldn't see the need to and plus i see some lurking 'round sometimes and its overwhelming sometimes.
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i love muerte! i hear and feel God all the time, what do i need one of his messengers for? Magick and those who bring it always cost more than it gives, ask king solomon, he lost an entire kingdom.
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okay for this innocent little naiive witch whos not alltogether lets say homo sapien merely being looked at by angel is one scary ass experience i literally felt my soul put under scrutiny yes htey are badasses and yes they are highly evolved forms of a bag boy, in my big book of metaphysical metaphors i try and envision them as fingers of god haha lol.
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i could use some godly fingers, my necks been kinked for three days!!!!
i wonder what angel you'd pray to for a neck massage?
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i could use some godly fingers, my necks been kinked for three days!!!!
i wonder what angel you'd pray to for a neck massage?
If I had my journal here at the library I could tell you, I have recently taken up the study of angels for some odd damned reason.
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ol and don't forget the back *<:), thats a great place for a massage XD.
yea i mean messing with anything in which something is disturbed is just another way of getting your ass kicked no matter if its faes, angels, demons, spirits, etc,...
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You know upon some reflection I think I have come up with the perfect way to summon one of "Gods" little helpers.
This obviously only works if you are a firm believer/praticioner of Christianity of course. Oh, and I am sure it will take more than one prayer session, but eventually...........
I have had problems answered immediately before and after I became a Christian. You just never know when the Angels will be sent, do what needs to be done, and not be hindered.
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You know upon some reflection I think I have come up with the perfect way to summon one of "Gods" little helpers.
This obviously only works if you are a firm believer/praticioner of Christianity of course. Oh, and I am sure it will take more than one prayer session, but eventually...........
I have had problems answered immediately before and after I became a Christian. You just never know when the Angels will be sent, do what needs to be done, and not be hindered.
You also can never assume that one is deserving of an answered prayer.
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And lets not forget that the answer may be something you don't want to hear.... <^>
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or the answer may not be right one for that prayer :-P
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Summon an Angel? No thanks. I mean maybe in one of those fantasy situations where I get to ask questions and it answers. But lets be honest here, they arnt going to waste their time on us unless ordered to by higher ups. Yes, they can sometimes be "seen" among us. But even then its not in their true forms. I dont think Id ever want to see one in its true form anyways. And asking for help seems a bit selfish, atleast in my opinion. It makes it seem like youre problems are worth it to begin with. No one comprehends everything going on around us, only small parts of it here and there. So if our problems are worth the help, then it will be recieved. But if not, then its something to overcome oneself. Would just like to point out really quick, Im not a religious person.
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or the answer may not be right one for that prayer :-P
If you're going on the belief based in God and angels to begin with, the answer is ALWAYS the right one. God doesn't eff up, according to that religion. You might not like the answer you get, but when you look back, you'll realize it was right.
As my grandmother always told me.... don't pray for something you aren't sure you want the answer to.
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or the answer may not be right one for that prayer :-P
If you're going on the belief based in God and angels to begin with, the answer is ALWAYS the right one. God doesn't eff up, according to that religion. You might not like the answer you get, but when you look back, you'll realize it was right.
As my grandmother always told me.... don't pray for something you aren't sure you want the answer to.
Mine says the same thing, and I still prayed for the answer to why we wage wars, and commit murder, rape, genocide. Still waiting for that answer....
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Because we're human
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Because we're human
And humans suck.
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By all means, we do and dont. Or at least we have the capability to not suck, but allow ourselves to.
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By all means, we do and dont. Or at least we have the capability to not suck, but allow ourselves to.
That's open ended and just shoved my mind 20 thousand leagues under the sea.... >_< **deploys flotation device** ahh ok it didn't die.
Well I know that we're human and we can suck *giggles* but in all honesty I think talking first instead of just going 'OK! I think you bombed us! So we're gonna commit genocide and wipe you off the face of the planet!' is better. However that is just my opinion, some people do prefer war. I am still waiting on my answer... If I had that I would leave god alone and quit trying to pick his/her brain!
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Personally, I dont prefer war. I dont like conflict of any kind, except joking arguments with friends. Not that I cant fight, but that I prefer not to. But I will if it becomes the only option, so dont be mistaken.
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Personally, I dont prefer war. I dont like conflict of any kind, except joking arguments with friends. Not that I cant fight, but that I prefer not to. But I will if it becomes the only option, so dont be mistaken.
I understand completely what you mean because I prefer not to fight at all. I just don't like it, actually when I see my friends of family fighting I tend to curl up in a ball and hide, but I'll do that running away from someone too **remembers hiding under a futon for 5 hours and passing out.* I just tend to avoid confrontation at all costs, however, sometimes it's unavoidable no matter how hard you try. I would give an example however, mine wouldn't be good.. However, my friend learned the hard way not to smack my ass when I'm ticked off! lol he'll never tick off a short person again, and no I didn't kick him *there*. <^>
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I was actually going to guess you broke his nose lol. And yes, conflict bad. Its nothing with fear of losing like a few people Ive known thought, but rather I just dont like hurting or seeing others hurt. Its not right. Though, and say what you will, I will fight to end anothers suffering.
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No I didn't break his nose either... Actually I grabbed him by his throat and shoved him against a wall and pushed up so he was on his tippy toes (he was taller than me I have no idea how I did it) and told him in a very evil voice to never do that again. Then let him go and took a few shots of soco.
And yes, conflict bad. Its nothing with fear of losing like a few people Ive known thought, but rather I just dont like hurting or seeing others hurt. Its not right. Though, and say what you will, I will fight to end anothers suffering.
I'm not going to say anything except to fight to end ones suffering doesn't that make someone else suffer? and start the cycle all over again. If you end one persons suffering then wouldn't you then feel obligated to end everyone elses suffering to the point where you would suffer even more? So no matter what you did to end another persons suffering you would just feel it's affects even more than they themselves felt.
I just confused myself...
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Yes, but if one is intentionally making someone suffer, more specifically someone who cannot defend themselves, does this person not deserve to suffer in some small way? In the very least, they need to understand what they are doing. Dont misjudge me, Ill try for a peaceful resolution, violence is more of a last resort.
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I would say yes and no to them suffering, that's only because I believe they deserve to suffer in some small way but why should you bring that upon them? Why not call the cops and eventually if they get convicted they'll go to prison and become 'tinys biotch' and all will be right in the world. However, if they aren't convicted hopefully you would have made the person who was suffering move to somewhere else so that she could get away from them.
I'm not misjudging you, I'm just curious as to the way you think, cause I had a friend that thought just like you. I never got to ask him these questions though, he passed before I could. So my curiosity has built up over 3 years and now it's kind of exploding onto you... wait.. that sounds wrong... ummmmm..... >_< yea... :doh:
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Whether she was afraid or loyal I do not know, but she refused to take action herself. She would come to me for comfort, and I would help her the best I could without resorting to violence. In the end it came to the point where I could no longer sit by knowing what was happening, and I was ready to resort to violence. Luckily, I was able to help him see the wrong in his actions and violence was avoided. Dont get me wrong, I wasnt going to kill or anything so rash. Simply instill into him that there would be consequences to his actions from then on, and maybe give an example of such consequences. Though I am a bit surprised (even though I probably shouldnt be) that you knew what to expect.
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Ah I've seen it before, and have had similar situations, though not to that extent and I was actually in a situation like that. I eventually grew some *metaphorically speaking* and left of my own accord. Then the stalking... So glad I had friends that helped me with that part of it, but I couldn't leave as easily because I was stationed with him. So it was a little bit more awkward for me. Even though I might look like I'm 20 and sound like I'm 12 on the phone (even though I've heard 14 as well) I have had some pretty bad experiences even though I always have a smile on my face. It's hard for me to depend on anyone anymore because of that.
Why would you be surprised or should be surprised that I knew what to expect? O___O that statement confuses me.
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I am surprised, but shouldnt be. It a common thing for someone to stand by something because they have had experience in said category, so I should have expected youd would have guessed such. But I didnt really think about it until now, so it caught me by surprise. And now I feel like I wasted time explaining this. Not because it didnt need an explanation, but because it has nothing to do topic wise lol.
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Very true.. maybe we should get :focus: ummmm wait... what was the topic again? O___O
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I think it had something to do with...... :mrgreen:?
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Angelic afros?
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Lol! :D possibly! either that or this was the smiley they were going for 0:) :p
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I think you're right, but I couldn't resist. *<:)
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Actually, I meant for the afro smiley. Didnt even notice the angelic one until you posted it lol. Thought one last poke at fun before going back to a discussion about Angels.
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Eh........ eff 'em.
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I was actually going to guess you broke his nose lol. And yes, conflict bad. Its nothing with fear of losing like a few people Ive known thought, but rather I just dont like hurting or seeing others hurt. Its not right. Though, and say what you will, I will fight to end anothers suffering.
lol its kinda ironic that u have your name as ViciouslyMe but u don't like violence, that's entertaining lol :-D
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God I love the online dictionary. *<:)
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lol well sorry but that's just what automatically comes to mind when i vicious is mentioned, but true.
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I wouldn't think an angel would be the most pleased being in the world if I just summoned one, but if the matter was entirely desperate and surrounded them mostly, or entirely, then sure.
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Very last resort only. I don't want to mess with things I can't control... or at least :gun: if the crap hits the fan.