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The Darker Side => Demons, Demonology and The Devil => Topic started by: RunningElk on June 28, 2010, 11:54:19 PM

Title: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: RunningElk on June 28, 2010, 11:54:19 PM
Finally I Know Why Creepy Stuff Is Happening To Me My Haunting Told Me So That My Fathers Family Is Cursed Because Of His Name Which Is Hagan From Ireland Which Before Was Hagen Which Orginitated In Norway Who The Family Was Reknown For Witch Burning (This Is Middle Ages) And My Great Grandfather (Not Going To Go Great Great Great ect.) Was Cursed Too His Childeren (Me And My Sister And My Half Unknown Brother As Well As My Half Sister Ella) My Fathers Family Moved To Australia As Being A Convict Of Ireland On The Seconed Fleet To Australia After 6 Months OF Work He Was Finally Set Free Where He Became To Amass Wealth Create A Family And Pass This Curse

Ok My Mothers Side Is Confusing About The Taylors But My Mother Said Somewhere Through Our Ties ( A LONGGGG Way Back) My MOthers Ancestors) where Through her side they were Celtic Druids and our magic was handed down till the fall of Rome where teachings broke down So through the middle ages My Ancestors Child Married A Man Who Must Be Taylor Forgot the Ways.

Fast Forward Alot Of Centurys To 1998 The Year My Mother Started learning from Druid Lord Benard when i Was Two My Mum left My Father Due To His Curse (il Save For You Later) She Had My Sister Avalon (Heaven For Pagans) Myself Where blessed By The Godess And The Horn God (druid beliefs) Me Being Named Running Elk And My Sister Being Falling Raindrop. After a test (being set in the wild with nothing for a month) when i am 15 I will Become A Man And A Druid Also My Powers Will Mature Fully (which i dunno yet)

Now The Curse Which Is Holding Back Everything Inside Me And Screwing With My Charkaras It Is That All My fathers family members have amassed lots of wealth but none have proven that they are a man

I dont know what my future is but it isnt going to be good if i dont become a man I Have Along Way To Go To Become One Especially In A World Like Today I Have To Learn To Think,Love,Survive In Both Worlds And Fight Then Do My Test Amazing Isnt It Two Years Isnt Long To Do That So I Better Get Started haha :-D
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: rave phillaphia on June 29, 2010, 01:14:42 PM
You do know that curses only really work if you believe it to be true. And even then you can get rid of a curse.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: RunningElk on June 29, 2010, 05:40:02 PM
no one in my fathers family believes in it though but it happens to all of them haha
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on July 09, 2010, 09:39:54 AM
wow :o interesting family history, all i know of mine is that the women on my mom's side of the family end up getting rapped at some point.. unfortunately i was rapped this past v-day : *(

but  that a great great uncle predicted that i would turn out w/ psychic abilities and that i would be tormented by them in my childhood XD
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Angelus on July 09, 2010, 05:22:20 PM
I assume you mean raped. And I am very sorry to hear that it must have been traumatic. But I am afraid that holds no relavance to the subject at hand and this is neither the appropriate place or even site to discuss that. Please stick to topics. Thats the kinda things moderators will kick you off the site for. :focus:
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on July 10, 2010, 11:00:40 AM
eh happens all the time oh yea i forgot..sorry :(
 oh yea and yes thats what i meant its just that i type fast and sometimes i forget to look over for any miss spellings XD :focus:

oh and i didn't know that druids existed but i thought they died out or were in existence  in another realm
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Angelus on July 10, 2010, 12:14:51 PM
The druids are still about. There are alot in the uk. They still go to stone henge and all that jazz. Its quite interesting.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on July 12, 2010, 10:48:28 AM
ah but where else would they be ? or is it that they're everywhere but mostly in the uk ?
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Angelus on July 12, 2010, 11:28:04 AM
With immigration being a fairly simple task, it isn't hard for people and religions to spread.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on July 13, 2010, 10:58:24 AM
XD true wow now i feel stupid XD
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 13, 2010, 09:56:13 PM
(Ok My Mothers Side Is Confusing About The Taylors But My Mother Said Somewhere Through Our Ties ( A LONGGGG Way Back) My MOthers Ancestors) where Through her side they were Celtic Druids and our magic was handed down till the fall of Rome where teachings broke down So through the middle ages My Ancestors Child Married A Man Who Must Be Taylor Forgot the Ways.

Fast Forward Alot Of Centurys To 1998 The Year My Mother Started learning from Druid Lord Benard when i Was Two My Mum left My Father Due To His Curse (il Save For You Later) She Had My Sister Avalon (Heaven For Pagans) Myself Where blessed By The Godess And The Horn God (druid beliefs) Me Being Named Running Elk And My Sister Being Falling Raindrop. After a test (being set in the wild with nothing for a month) when i am 15 I will Become A Man And A Druid Also My Powers Will Mature Fully (which i dunno yet))

I am also from the lineage of druids i am familiar with the practices of "becoming a man" The wilderness will be easy if you know how to forage which you should have learned at an early age. also the druidic powers that mature will not come so quick. they start of in spurts and you learn to control them. your powers are based off of the celestial magicks of the nine elements. you should have noticed when you were little that you could do things with a certain element that wasnt normal. that is the kind of spurt im talking about. once you have turned 15 you will notice a big change in your personality, you will be calm all the time, patient, your knowledge and wisdom of the lore will ten fold without you even having to touch a book. i will not ruin all of the surprises for you some are great others not so great. for example you will be kind of a loner. it was common for druids back in the day to only hang out with his kind or the animals that they familiarized themselves with. I hope you do well on your test. i wasnt hard for me cuz i was already doing that when the time came but it shouldnt be to hard if you are creative :wink:
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 13, 2010, 10:00:47 PM
(oh and i didn't know that druids existed but i thought they died out or were in existence  in another realm)

There are very few of us left in the world and will eventually die out that is inevitable but while there are still nine our powers will remain intact and controllable. I was surprised to find Hagan on here i had no idea that another druid was in the states. it amazes me actually but that just makes my faith stronger that it will be a while longer before our extinction
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 13, 2010, 10:06:40 PM
The druids are still about. There are alot in the uk. They still go to stone henge and all that jazz. Its quite interesting.

I dont mean to offend you or anything at all im just informing you that there are alot of self proclaimed druids that think they are because the can use celestial magick. all those people in uk going to stonehenge are probably fake. Druids are not going to go out to prove that they are druids to anyone which is what that is. And the real druids that are still around would be able to tell a druid from a normal person. ive been to that jazz and its just a bunch of wannabes. i have only met one real druid at stonehenge and he was doing the same thing as me, seeing who is and who isnt a druid. it is good to familiarize yourself with the other druids. Once the original nine ancestrial names meet Stonehenge would Repair itself and become operational once again. Like i said earlier i meant no offense by this just giving you a little more info on the druidic realm
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Angelus on July 14, 2010, 01:31:55 PM
Well mate. Just to give you a bit more info on the Druidic Realm. As long as you follow the beliefs of the Druids and are a Priest or a learned man then you are a Druid. It has bugger all to do with birthright and anyone that told you otherwise is talking bollocks. Going to stonehenge doesn't make you a wannabe. And since you are only 19 you can't be a "real" druid. The training itself took 20 years. That's why they are typically portrayed as older gentlemen. And since all scripture for their training has been lost in time no one can be trained fully so no one is a "real" druid. It has entered the realms of paganism and other earth and nature worshiping religions. And the closest thing you will find to Druidism in todays society is Neo-Druidism which is the remaining teachings of druidism mixed with teachings from neopagan, occultist, reconstructionist and christian religions, although some teachings may claim to be the "true" teachings, they aren't. So technically, by the standards of the original druids, you my friend, are the wannabe. I study folklore, occult, demonology, religion and cryptozoology and have done for ten years. Think before coming on here with your uneducated "I art more Druid than thou" attitude. I am not a druid but I will not have my intelligence insulted or be undermined by a kid that thinks he is a "real" Druid.  No offense.  :banplea:
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: jordyn on July 15, 2010, 10:01:41 AM
what i find fascinating about currently practicing druids is their preference to not mention the human sacrificing they engaged in, i suppose that's the difference being more in love with the culture that made the priests then the priests themselves. 

is an apple an ample substitute for a living, breathing sacrifice?  *shrugs* or maybe i've been watching too much supernatural...  <^>

stonehedge is a fascinating place though, what do current druids think about it's original and very much earlier origins?

but some exclusive famililial secret passage of ancient occult lore is nothing new, look at what buckland did with it.  ;)

Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on July 15, 2010, 10:27:08 AM
what do people and druids do at the stonehedge ?
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: oldbill4823 on July 15, 2010, 11:39:08 AM
Typically they stand around in funny costumes feeling smug and judging each other. Others just feel all the awesome power everywhere.

A few years back it was the fashion to riot against the Police there. Fashions come and go though, druidic fashions too. I mean who'd have thought that we'd have Australian Druids now!!!!
As for real druidry the lineages have been severed so many times now i am not aware of any authentic druidic lines that still exist. People can call themselves whatever they want though. I mean a Druid these days is someone who has done the OBOD course yes???

Interestingly i know an old guy who was in the army just after world war 2. He said he and his mates actually re erected many of the stones that were lying around. They used military equiptment to balance the lintels across each other. Most people have no idea they did this. Salisbury plain is a huge miltary training area by the way. Has been for ages. There is even a mock town there on the plains that they use for training people for urban combat. Its strange wandering around the place when it is empty.

I have another friend whose farm buts up to the stones. We used to go up and watch the sunrise from a place of his near by, watch the riots and all from the safety of him being legal owner and all that. Its funny what a few peices of paper can allow a person.

There is i believe another site nearby which people refer to as woodhenge. It has yet to be uncovered properly. The things that makes me chuckle is that all these awesomely attuned druids and witches can only ever feel the awesome power of the stones at the stonehenge site. They follow the roadsigns to get there. Why do none of them ever pick up on places like the wood henge? God i am cycnical these days. So many people are full of self deluded sh#t.   

Actually that sort of answers the question for me of what people do at stonehenge these days.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on July 15, 2010, 03:23:52 PM
ah hmm so well to me that just sounds like a bunch of wannabes that play dress up XD (sorry if i offended anyone)
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 16, 2010, 01:37:28 AM
well human sacrifice is kind of hard to do today since druids still have to abide by the laws of the land. im sure there are the occasional few that do though.
 
I agree that stonehenge is a very fascinating place. Im not sure if this is fact or not but coming from some of my studies Stonehenge was actually built to lock away a very powerful demon that used to terrorize the planet.

I had no idea that some ww2 guys put some of the stones back up that is really cool info, I wish i could have been there to see the original building of it though that would have been an amazing sight.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: oldbill4823 on July 16, 2010, 09:06:48 AM
Re seeing it built, last summer i took part in an event in France raising a megalithic silex stone using ropes and log roller to move it a kilometer. There were 30-40 of us pulling at any one time.  Then we all got pissed.


"Im not sure if this is fact or not but coming from some of my studies Stonehenge was actually built to lock away a very powerful demon that used to terrorize the planet."

ummm, what study was this?
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Angelus on July 16, 2010, 09:27:49 AM
"Im not sure if this is fact or not but coming from some of my studies Stonehenge was actually built to lock away a very powerful demon that used to terrorize the planet."

ummm, what study was this?

I too am curious now.
(also just off topic, me and Tronth have had a debate privately, I hold alot of respect for him now. We should listen to what he has to say on these matters.)
 :focus:
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on July 17, 2010, 12:24:27 PM
well human sacrifice is kind of hard to do today since druids still have to abide by the laws of the land. im sure there are the occasional few that do though.
 
I agree that stonehenge is a very fascinating place. Im not sure if this is fact or not but coming from some of my studies Stonehenge was actually built to lock away a very powerful demon that used to terrorize the planet.

wow  :-o still doing that  :-o but what would the human sacrifices be meant for ? to enhance their powers or  what ?

and was it hard to come across this research ? and did it describe the demon in a way ?
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 20, 2010, 11:17:11 PM
Re seeing it built, last summer i took part in an event in France raising a megalithic silex stone using ropes and log roller to move it a kilometer. There were 30-40 of us pulling at any one time.  Then we all got pissed.


"Im not sure if this is fact or not but coming from some of my studies Stonehenge was actually built to lock away a very powerful demon that used to terrorize the planet."

ummm, what study was this?
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 21, 2010, 12:20:31 AM
Re seeing it built, last summer i took part in an event in France raising a megalithic silex stone using ropes and log roller to move it a kilometer. There were 30-40 of us pulling at any one time.  Then we all got pissed.


"Im not sure if this is fact or not but coming from some of my studies Stonehenge was actually built to lock away a very powerful demon that used to terrorize the planet."

ummm, what study was this?

well ill tell you guys the story behind this thought. it was passed down from my grandfather before he died. it has to do with the christian religion as well as some other religions (which is why i am a little sckeptical about religion)

Solomon the wise was a man of infinite knowledge granted to him by god, he was given a book, the book of life. Solomon with his infinite wisdom was tasked by god do rid the world of evil(typical huh). So solomon did as he was told and went around all of the known world disposing of demons and evil spirits that had infected or possesed humans, it was many years after he was granted his task when he fell upon a very powerful demon by the name of tiamat (this is where things are going to gt a little fuzzy. in some religions tiamat was known as satan or lucifur but according to this story he was a far greater threat than satan.) solomon was confounded as to what to do he had never met a demon so powerful and doubted that he could actually do it. then god tasked men of a town to build what we now call stonehenge god told solomon that it was built in the shape of a holy symbol that would amplify his power ten fold as well as his 9 followers, so solomon started setting a trap to lure tiamat to this point. successfully drawing tiamats attention the great battle of wills happened. tiamat was in the center of stonehengewhile the nine druids and solomon stood around in a circle working on building a deminsion to trap tiamat. tiamat thrashed around trying to lash at all of them but was unsuccessful. a portal to an infinite deminsion was opened and tiamat was thusforth trapped for all eternity well up to today so far. after he was trapped they placed a center piece of stone in the middle of stonehenge. one so heavy that it would take a while to remove. they put it there so halfwitted magicians didnt accidentally release the spell that they had place on tiamat.

This is where my belief of a powerful demon being trapped in the middle of stonehenge comes from. im a follower of solomon. so to hear a story like this enchants me, but hey i could be very wrong and the story is likely to have changed over the thousands of years that has passed since then
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 21, 2010, 12:25:05 AM
well human sacrifice is kind of hard to do today since druids still have to abide by the laws of the land. im sure there are the occasional few that do though.
 
I agree that stonehenge is a very fascinating place. Im not sure if this is fact or not but coming from some of my studies Stonehenge was actually built to lock away a very powerful demon that used to terrorize the planet.

wow  :-o still doing that  :-o but what would the human sacrifices be meant for ? to enhance their powers or  what ?

and was it hard to come across this research ? and did it describe the demon in a way ?

Well back in the day it was very common for the innocent to be sacrificed to all sorts of gods and religions. it was believed that one of pure blood would bring good luck and make the gods happy. For the druids it was a little different, the human sacrfice was used to prove to god that druids still had their faith in check and that they were firm believers in god, not christians or jews persay but believers in god. And with this sacrifice, supposedly, came diety like strength of will. The ability to concentrate and keep a level head in any situation.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Muerte on July 21, 2010, 11:01:19 AM
  One should also always keep in mind that in any form of magical/religious rite blood is the strongest of catalyst with animal being the weakest and your own being the strongest.  The shedding of blood in relation to ones belief is the ultimate declaration of intent/belief/purpose.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 22, 2010, 09:30:12 PM
  One should also always keep in mind that in any form of magical/religious rite blood is the strongest of catalyst with animal being the weakest and your own being the strongest.  The shedding of blood in relation to ones belief is the ultimate declaration of intent/belief/purpose.

This is very true it is believed the ones blood contains the essence or soul. The ultimate sacrifice
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on July 22, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
lol again of course innocent people and animals were sacrificed since most likely prehistoric times because especially humans' blood, blood was thought of to be the most sacred and a great way to be in favor of the god's, for one to gain power or any other desire, or of the good of that group of people and such. but in a way  i shouldn't be surprised that even in the most civilized areas, sacrafices like that are still done because of personal or religious belief (black magic/satanists and all that) but thats just it, kinda strange to me that its done in the most civilized areas, especially how paranoid people can get... wait couldn't that MAYBE be one of the main reasons why its done.. well of course, ok i'm gonna stop now or else i'll confuse people again XD.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 22, 2010, 09:48:54 PM
Well in civilaized areas there are alot of people and 9 times out of 10 there are people who share the same beliefs. so it is very common for sacrificial cults to get together to perform the rites.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Moloch on July 23, 2010, 07:39:21 AM
  One should also always keep in mind that in any form of magical/religious rite blood is the strongest of catalyst with animal being the weakest and your own being the strongest.  The shedding of blood in relation to ones belief is the ultimate declaration of intent/belief/purpose.

This is very true it is believed the ones blood contains the essence or soul. The ultimate sacrifice

Yes.. but pricking one's finger is but a token gesture at best. To get the sweetest reward, you must give it all.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: jordyn on July 23, 2010, 08:16:46 AM
tiamat is actually a mesopotamian deity, not so much a demon but more like a roman titan...you can follow eastern religion up to the jews from this origin.   considering the origins from the kelts migrating up from the ancient poland area(earlier temples are found in germany.  add in the picts from ancient scottland and the gauls from the area of france the prehistoric sorcerer would be a more ancient druid god than a middle eastern chaos creator.    do any magiciand pay attention to what created the cultures that they try to recreate...king solomon would not have been a factor until priests and monks brought the east to the very north...being of scottish/polish/french heritage i'm a gaelic kelt from the name wiseheart.  i even get to wear the wishart crest and tartan...but by the druids explanation i should be a hereditarty ceremonial magician, hence tiamat and king solomon would be more akin to me then any druid. crops, war, death and the seasons  were their concerns not demons, they had the tuatha up north
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 24, 2010, 11:24:25 AM
I was unaware of this version of where tiamat came from that is very interesting. Wiseheart? That name comes from the clan of sorcerers back in gaelic times. i guess magician would be a close definition but they are two totally different things. And solomon the wise was no king, he worked with saul and david. and im not so sure that a sorcerer would have a closer tie to him than a druid considering that solomon despised sorcerers with a passion. it was against god to follow those kinds of magicks and solomon was a man of god.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on July 24, 2010, 03:27:40 PM
ah very interesting, how would a druid know that they're a druid - as in they naturally have that magic and all that ?
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 26, 2010, 12:35:59 AM
a druid wouldnt know he was druid unless he knew about druidry in all its essence or it was passed down to him from his lineage.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on July 26, 2010, 10:11:28 PM
ah ok so even after puberty he wouldn't know by then if he were a druid or not ?
i heard thats when the abilities kick in.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 26, 2010, 10:49:15 PM
Not exactly the abilities kick in after the rite of passage, when a boy becomes a man, this does in general happen during puberty. At the age of 15 a boy is supposed to spend one month on his own in the woods and survive. If returns home succesful he will attain his power if he is unsuccesful then his powers will be weak and feeble. pretty much worthless
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: jordyn on July 27, 2010, 09:45:54 PM
I was unaware of this version of where tiamat came from that is very interesting. Wiseheart? That name comes from the clan of sorcerers back in gaelic times. i guess magician would be a close definition but they are two totally different things. And solomon the wise was no king, he worked with saul and david. and im not so sure that a sorcerer would have a closer tie to him than a druid considering that solomon despised sorcerers with a passion. it was against god to follow those kinds of magicks and solomon was a man of god.

actually he was david's son, a king and in the end his crime was worse than his grandfather saul, saul consulted a witch, solomon began to worship other gods through his pagan wives.

and time period wouldn't work with him being related to druids either...ummm...unless he migrated up north three hundred years after the druid culture died?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Solomon.html (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Solomon.html)

or read kings 1, that has his story.

the history, the timeline of cultures and the root of their religions just don't work with it.

http://www.historytoday.com/MainArticle.aspx?m=33354&amid=30283349 (http://www.historytoday.com/MainArticle.aspx?m=33354&amid=30283349)

and considering my wishhart ancestors were presbytarian, and as i do worship his God minus the pagan idoltry, learning from his downfall i actually would have more in common with him than those who don't.

and to finish it off...to know the most about keltic priests, look into keltic culture...in the grand scheme of keltic daily life they were pretty useless, however they did up the brutality of their sacrifices and amount of offerings towards the end, the bog bodies tell those stories. 

and tiamat is even older than them all, for all intents and purposes i suppose the sumerians would have the oldest organized religion, i don't believe i'm actually suggesting this, but simon's necronomicon offers a pretty simple understanding of what and how the mesopotamians exactly worshiped.

as for tiamat... http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/gods/ladies/ladytiamat.html (http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/gods/ladies/ladytiamat.html)
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 27, 2010, 11:46:32 PM
Well my friend you are taking information out of the bible which was written and twisted by man so there is no telling what is true or false in the book. I take nothing from the bible except the values that it tries to teach. I can tell you as well that the druids have been around alot longer than the bible. so your bases of a timeline has been crushed as for tiamat being older than them all you are correct but tiamat wasnt cast out of heaven until about the time that god gave solomon the book of life. Tiamat was the one who started the war between angels and demons, not satan. Also keltic priests have nothing to do with celtic druids, celtic preists taught the teachings of the pagan gods, the celtic druids where like barbarians that traveled the known world alone until brought together by solomon in the name of all that is good. Please dont try to tell me that my theories are wrong when you are taking things from books written by common men.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Levinthross on July 28, 2010, 01:55:22 AM
hold on wait tiamat is older than the angels she is a chaos titan very much akin to the leviathin and the older greek titans whocracked the cosmic egg with there serpentine bodys creating time and order titans live ouside the laws of reality and man no human or dimensional being has magic no matter how powerful that oculd effect tiamat or any titan unless you were of divine descent. Plus the big thing is druidic magic and solomon ancient arabian and egyptian goetics are so vastly different if applied on the difference was on a smaller scale it be like calling choclate milk coke distilled from moose pee. Not only that but im pretty sure Stonehenge is older than King solomon so if king solomon went back in time to create stonehenge then became his one father switched races switched nations switched paradighms of magic switched gods switched his personal lore and was reincarnated into his own family your theory is pretty much fullproof.

Now all this about celtic druids being like barbarians yes in the early days they were all systems of magic that are based on sorcery derive themselves from shamanistic forms like channeling animal spirits which we see in the barbarian berserker rage. But again your telling me some king from egypt came to north eurpe and hounded together a bunch of shaman priests and turned them into a league of kickass human sacraficing nature lovers without leaving a scrap of synchrotism with egyptian and arabic magic systems even there divination forms are vastly different.


The druids will live as long as there are dryads the spirits ofnature who gave them there knowledge. In druidry where young fifteen year olds have to prove ther manhood to gain there power is alot like native american coming of age ceremonies in order to find your totem or guardian spirit. I find it interesting that most witches with magick in there heritage also find that despite the powers they have as children either fade or increase expeninteally once the coming of age ceremony has been completed.

And thank you jordynfor stating most of this early not trying to seem personal against oyu tronth i do beleive you are a druid whos ways are most likely very close to those of old but you know the magicians who managed to cleave together information from which most of our traditions are based on like to mix mash and do the hanky panky.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 28, 2010, 02:18:22 AM
completely understandable, Now i have to pull out the faults in your logic, its just what i do, you are correct about your version of tiamat but you must remember that each religion has its own version. i admire your euphinism on solomon that had to be well thought out but no i cant agree with you. All the locations and timelines that are put out on stonehenge and solomon are all common day assumptions based on a technology that guesses. And solomon the wise with his nine druids werent just scrounged up, they were sought out. also dryads, very wise creatures by the way, did not in any way help the druids the dryads stayed to themselves only leaving their small communities for special reasons.

i agree with you about how it is interesting that one rite of passage determines whether you keep your powers or not, in the info passed down to me the rite of passage was to teach you your survival skills as well as virtues of patience ond concentration, and as you know all magick users need these to perform well, im not sure as to what the rite of passage is for sorcerers or witches is so i cant comment on that.

and i do realize the mixing and mashing which is where we all clash when we have different info. my purpose here is to explain the druid side of it you guys may have a completely different story and i cant tell you your wrong, but just like the bible there are various versions scattered all over the world, well kind of. druids dont have any manuscripts anymore... :wink:
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Levinthross on July 28, 2010, 02:29:24 AM
Now with that explanation i can be completely worng :)  but the druidic view of solomon and his attendees seems very different do you mind if i ask where i can find hte info or would you be willing to pm me a summary?? but if the knowledge is sacred i understand and respect that also?

Secondly forgive me if ive been misguided but is it not the dryads who diculged the ancient ways of nature to mankind and by draydsi may be synchroniczing them with norse light elves but i was under the impression that druids originally communed with nature in order to gain the knowledge that htey had amassed.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 28, 2010, 03:32:01 AM
Actually this is where i got lost in my teachings. Druids did not originally use nature is was more astronimical and of god, nature wasnt used until stonehenge was built, this is when they realized that there strength was enhanced by earthly objects such as the stones.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: jordyn on July 28, 2010, 10:02:24 AM
no worries levinthross, i accept there are druids too and apreciate your prehistorical references, i could see the prehistoric sorcer being responsible for stonehedge and the order of bards and oviates are most magnificent in recreating the religious order, but they stick to provable archeological and historical understandings and have no problems admitting they're recreationists. perhaps thats the issue i have with his glamorization is all the mishmashing, ignoring provable cultural facts. dryads are actually greco roman, the other side of the pond have the tuatha de danan(fairies). tiamat was mesopotamian and in the bible timeline would have had closer relations to Abraham, since he was actually called out of sumeria by God himself, not a third generation israelite king that screwed up by returning to the gods Abraham was called away from.  most people just fail to realize how passionate i am about early gaelic culture and fascination with the israelites.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 28, 2010, 01:27:08 PM
i understand an interest in culture but you cant claim your interests as facts that how arguements come out. i dont mean to sound mean or arguementative but you have to look at both sides of the spectrum before you see truth or relatively close truth.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: jordyn on July 28, 2010, 10:23:23 PM
i understand an interest in culture but you cant claim your interests as facts that how arguements come out. i dont mean to sound mean or arguementative but you have to look at both sides of the spectrum before you see truth or relatively close truth.

passions and fascinations lead to study and exploration... the stories of rhianna or the machas, the sheer joy they had bragging before battle naked and fierce, queen boadica, the picts!!! Their metalsmithing, sexual equality before it was cool, you want facts?

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?groupid=971&HistoryID=aa99&gtrack=pthc (http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?groupid=971&HistoryID=aa99&gtrack=pthc)

no mention of solomon here...

http://druidism.suite101.com/article.cfm/druids_origin_trads_mystery (http://druidism.suite101.com/article.cfm/druids_origin_trads_mystery)

here's where their christian associations come into play...

http://www.konig.org/timeline.htm (http://www.konig.org/timeline.htm)

an established biblical timeline

and the sumerian twist...

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa53 (http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa53)


stonehedge completed 1500 bc

http://www.britannia.com/history/h7.html (http://www.britannia.com/history/h7.html)

http://www.historycentral.com/dates/1500bc.html (http://www.historycentral.com/dates/1500bc.html)

so sorry, established fact does indeed contradict your grandfathers stories, my passion just assured i studied more than the llewelyn books available at borders.

i've never bought into the hereditary stuff though, too corny for my tastes.  Anything with will, a soul and intent can master anything they claim, but they need more then bedtime stories to convince me that only certain people are privy to these powers due to some exclusive membership.

but sure, i'll try to see your side...give me something besides a story though, i verified why i don't buy it, proven history just doesn't validate your side.




Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 29, 2010, 02:50:17 AM
I am seriously amazed at your ignorance, once again you have pulled up facts that were made by men of our time. How can you believe things written by todays people, everything is twisted to work for themselves or to make their interpretation more plausable. I refuse to use references such as these. You are not going to ever find anything true about the druids in books or online, i promise you that. And your christian timeline was warped by the catholics back in the hundred years war as for the sumerians i dont know.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Raziel on July 29, 2010, 04:58:47 AM
........ So according to your logic, everything online or even publicly available today. Is a lie and must be rejected yes?

If I may. You seem to take a great seriousness defending your theories with only, from what others can see is mere opinion.
You give no proof, you refuse to make a proper argument. And you refuse to acknowledge any other fact aside from your own.

You are either playing a great big trick on kadesh, levin, and the rest of the people following your pied piper's song.
Live in another world.
Or you are clearly insane.

Either way, Your mind is closed to outside influence and any attempt at convincing you otherwise is a waste of time.

Thus the only fools here are those that would continue to pester one such as yourself, in a terribly vain attempt to get you to listen to reason.


Trolling score 3/10.

Imperfect on the grounds that it is not fluid and vauge, quite a big turn off, Obvious and thus easily seen as a ploy, and your victims will be seen as victims not as stupid poseurs who were unable to adequately defend their positions  .
You do get points on  the circular reasoning and thread life though. That part at least is particularly troll worthy sir. quite annoying and has gone on for a few pages.

I wish kreepy were here though...... He loves this stuff more than Jordyn if possible and has a mouth capable of spewing slander, searing taunts, biting accusations and general foul sewage second only to moloch.

I wonder how they do that so easily...... their double-roles as janitors and enforcers to the pit, were quite productive during their tenures.
...... But what the warden says goes.

Oh btw I wonder....... do your druids have anything in common with a Chinese emperor's eunuchs? Curious really.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Moloch on July 29, 2010, 11:14:08 AM
Please, Raziel, don't tempt fate on this poor young man's behalf. I'm trying very hard to be good for as long as possible before I explode with all of the repressed vile evil I am so infamous for.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: LeXtruX on July 29, 2010, 11:32:19 AM
Please, Raziel, don't tempt fate on this poor young man's behalf. I'm trying very hard to be good for as long as possible before I explode with all of the repressed vile evil I am so infamous for.
please for the love of all that is of value in this world!!!! release your evil on this guy!!! you would all do us a huge favour!
anyway, he's talking about ignorance

I want him to state evidance of his 'theories' before he goes and call us ignorant... I know raziel said as much, but please dude, don't state things you can't back up with more reason than just your word...
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Moloch on July 29, 2010, 05:33:25 PM
And I want him to answer my question:

Not exactly the abilities kick in after the rite of passage, when a boy becomes a man, this does in general happen during puberty. At the age of 15 a boy is supposed to spend one month on his own in the woods and survive. If returns home succesful he will attain his power if he is unsuccesful then his powers will be weak and feeble. pretty much worthless



And what would a girl/young woman do to obtain her powers?


The idea is certainly appealing, Lex.  :evil:
But - I'm not sure if Moloch intended Raz or Tronth as the victim when he spoke of letting his evil run wild.  :|  Maybe both?


One, the other, both, everyone.... Even I don't know. I just go with my flow, man.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: RunningElk on July 29, 2010, 05:35:57 PM
Jesus I Leave For A Month To Do Some Growing Up And Now Theres Death And yelling. Hahaha
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on July 29, 2010, 07:27:53 PM
I have told you many times that my "opinions" are not based on any fact. it was passed down through lineage, all im saying is that you cant use refrences to prove me wrong that have been twisted to work for certain religions over time, they are no longer original documents.

Also i am not closed minded i have just been telling you the same i just wrote, dont think you can come at me with the bible or the necronomicon or any other book from todays timeline and tell me that this is fact because its not. all these books were written based on educated theories not facts. as for the questions i dont know about the chinese eunichs so i couldnt tell you and as for a female druid i have never met one my tradition is male only from what ive been taught.

Also i use the word ignorant as the way you would use closeminded im not calling you stupid or anything like that.

Running elk how did it go? i assume you did well
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Levinthross on July 30, 2010, 04:49:09 AM
okay ive come to the conclusion and sincere beleif that this whole situation is merely the result of themixmashup of names that comesthrough the ages solomon actuallybeing a great magicianof the baltic/european areas which are waaaay not my paradighm instead of being hte actual solomon which we all know and revere juat a mixup everyoneput there remove therearsenals ofhellfireand tape recordingsof theangelic choirs capable of shattering reality into a oblivion down. If histradition is hereditary and someone far back got it wrong hed be inclinedot beleive it basedon blood tiesand viable magic as the glitch as to thename went unchecked.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: jordyn on July 30, 2010, 05:21:05 AM
if there are no female druids, how do they have babies?   Step down from secretive high to find special girls, born on special days of special months that hear the sirens sing on full moons?

that's silly too, women have always been revered as more powerful until grecian times, watching the change from matriarch  based societies to patriarchial is always fascinating though, when did it happen to the druids?

since that's the only truth that's not been corrupted by man...
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on August 01, 2010, 08:29:52 PM
well i never said there werent any female druids. all i said is that i heve yet to meet one and that as far as i knew it was male only, that doesnt make it a secret society. I mean look at at any story you have ever herd from the old days, the knights for example, all males, why? Because they were seen as stronger and in charge. Hell take the storys from the bible, almost 90% of the bible was written by man about man. It was very common back in those days to be a just male thing. there very well could be female druids i dont know, im not taking everything my grandfather told me to be set in stone he could be just as wrong as any of us. and druids dont have to have children with other druids to keep the lineage going. how do you think the first druids would have kept the line going, not other druids just poeple they fell in love with.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Angelus on August 02, 2010, 02:34:07 AM
Actualy as far as most research goes there werent any female druids. The druid was a title given to men of a high status who was welcomed into this order, like a priest or minister, not unlike the later freemasons. The were not a race of people. And female supression is not new. Its been going on for thousands apon thousands of years due to the instinctial nature or pre civilised people relying solely on physical strength and fighting instinct as a base for genetic superiority (both of what come with testosterone) and therefor they would be leader, I know I would wan't a large burly man killing the sabre toothed tiger that was gonna eat my family than a woman with "something to prove". Female oppression was created by nature, men just carried it into a time where it was no longer needed for survival. it wasn't invented in the 19th century, so yeah, thats why there were no female druids.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Muerte on August 02, 2010, 10:20:33 AM
  Tronth

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I have told you many times that my "opinions" are not based on any fact.

  This right here tells me something.  It tells me that you wish to go your way on whim and faith, that is just as foolish as anyother religious person.  You want to know the difference between a serious religious practitioner and a simple sheep?  The serious practitioner not only follows their faith, they look into it and find out the facts!  That way when you are asked questions you can stand steadfastly, Jordyn so far has proven this point time and again.

  (I am not either for or against her statements, but at least she does not go around stating my opinions are not based on facts.  First off, opinions are not facts, so this means your opinion is less than a fact.  Yes, this is how I would like to stand among my peers)

  Also you gave us this tid bit of intelligence.

 
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as far as i knew it was male only

  When one defends their opinions they must never use such turns of phase for it further destroys your already percarious position.  You were vouched for by a member of good standing and I for one expected better from you because of this.  So far I see nothing spectacular and am dissappointed.  My advice is to work harder............immediately.  Do not continue to further dissappoint me.

  One last thing.  Did you not ever learn how to phrase you opinions in such a way as to not piss off the female populace of a community?  Nature may have set the standard, but even I have to admit that mankind has moved beyond the suppression of the female half of our world.  Hell, some are even better than men so...................think about what you say before you say it. 
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Moloch on August 02, 2010, 10:39:39 AM
  Tronth

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I have told you many times that my "opinions" are not based on any fact.

  This right here tells me something.  It tells me that you wish to go your way on whim and faith, that is just as foolish as anyother religious person.  You want to know the difference between a serious religious practitioner and a simple sheep?  The serious practitioner not only follows their faith, they look into it and find out the facts!  That way when you are asked questions you can stand steadfastly, Jordyn so far has proven this point time and again.

  (I am not either for or against her statements, but at least she does not go around stating my opinions are not based on facts.  First off, opinions are not facts, so this means your opinion is less than a fact.  Yes, this is how I would like to stand among my peers)

  Also you gave us this tid bit of intelligence.

 
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as far as i knew it was male only

  When one defends their opinions they must never use such turns of phase for it further destroys your already percarious position.  You were vouched for by a member of good standing and I for one expected better from you because of this.  So far I see nothing spectacular and am dissappointed.  My advice is to work harder............immediately.  Do not continue to further dissappoint me.

  One last thing.  Did you not ever learn how to phrase you opinions in such a way as to not piss off the female populace of a community?  Nature may have set the standard, but even I have to admit that mankind has moved beyond the suppression of the female half of our world.  Hell, some are even better than men so...................think about what you say before you say it. 

So gentle... I could not have done better than this is I had tried. Well, unless of course I did it my way...
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Muerte on August 02, 2010, 12:20:14 PM
  Tronth

Quote
I have told you many times that my "opinions" are not based on any fact.

  This right here tells me something.  It tells me that you wish to go your way on whim and faith, that is just as foolish as anyother religious person.  You want to know the difference between a serious religious practitioner and a simple sheep?  The serious practitioner not only follows their faith, they look into it and find out the facts!  That way when you are asked questions you can stand steadfastly, Jordyn so far has proven this point time and again.

  (I am not either for or against her statements, but at least she does not go around stating my opinions are not based on facts.  First off, opinions are not facts, so this means your opinion is less than a fact.  Yes, this is how I would like to stand among my peers)

  Also you gave us this tid bit of intelligence.

 
Quote
as far as i knew it was male only

  When one defends their opinions they must never use such turns of phase for it further destroys your already percarious position.  You were vouched for by a member of good standing and I for one expected better from you because of this.  So far I see nothing spectacular and am dissappointed.  My advice is to work harder............immediately.  Do not continue to further dissappoint me.

  One last thing.  Did you not ever learn how to phrase you opinions in such a way as to not piss off the female populace of a community?  Nature may have set the standard, but even I have to admit that mankind has moved beyond the suppression of the female half of our world.  Hell, some are even better than men so...................think about what you say before you say it. 

So gentle... I could not have done better than this is I had tried. Well, unless of course I did it my way...

  I am gentle because of the endorsement from a prominent member, if it were not for that I would not bother with the kid gloves.  I respect said members opinions, abilities, mind, and sense of humor and I highly doubt this member could be swayed with any ease.  Now I await to be impressed as well, to be honest I am a perhaps 20% impressed, though most of that is dampened when I read the rest of the post.  It is like watching someone walk one step forward for every 3 steps back.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: jordyn on August 02, 2010, 12:50:59 PM
 

  One last thing.  Did you not ever learn how to phrase you opinions in such a way as to not piss off the female populace of a community?  Nature may have set the standard, but even I have to admit that mankind has moved beyond the suppression of the female half of our world.  Hell, some are even better than men so...................think about what you say before you say it. 

actually humans started out rather matriarchial in ancient societies, for both the ability to bear life and wisdom...matriarchial societies were always more equal in their laws for both sexes.  The patriarchial thing really didn't start coming into power until the greeks defeated persia i believe...so actually it's not really a natural thing, nature dictates males protect their females and the females support their males, monogomy optional...no inferiority there, the whole pack works together.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: jordyn on August 02, 2010, 12:59:25 PM
well i never said there werent any female druids. all i said is that i heve yet to meet one and that as far as i knew it was male only, that doesnt make it a secret society. I mean look at at any story you have ever herd from the old days, the knights for example, all males, why? Because they were seen as stronger and in charge. Hell take the storys from the bible, almost 90% of the bible was written by man about man. It was very common back in those days to be a just male thing. there very well could be female druids i dont know, im not taking everything my grandfather told me to be set in stone he could be just as wrong as any of us. and druids dont have to have children with other druids to keep the lineage going. how do you think the first druids would have kept the line going, not other druids just poeple they fell in love with.

in defense of the bible, women have had some important and very crucial calls to service to the Lord, from yael given the honor of killing sisra, ruth, chosen to start the line of Jesus, haddassah saving the entire jewish race and even mary praised for neglecting her "womanly duties" realizing the importance of learning and spending time at a teacher's feet is preferred to material impressions for society, even hannah breaking the temple taboo to pray for a child and being blessed for her, defiance of priestly rules set by a patriarchial society.

Woman have always been chosen by God to do marvelous things, in this case it's the greeks fault that females lost ancient glory.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on August 02, 2010, 01:43:33 PM
  Tronth

Quote
I have told you many times that my "opinions" are not based on any fact.

  This right here tells me something.  It tells me that you wish to go your way on whim and faith, that is just as foolish as anyother religious person.  You want to know the difference between a serious religious practitioner and a simple sheep?  The serious practitioner not only follows their faith, they look into it and find out the facts!  That way when you are asked questions you can stand steadfastly, Jordyn so far has proven this point time and again.

  (I am not either for or against her statements, but at least she does not go around stating my opinions are not based on facts.  First off, opinions are not facts, so this means your opinion is less than a fact.  Yes, this is how I would like to stand among my peers)

  Also you gave us this tid bit of intelligence.

 
Quote
as far as i knew it was male only

  When one defends their opinions they must never use such turns of phase for it further destroys your already percarious position.  You were vouched for by a member of good standing and I for one expected better from you because of this.  So far I see nothing spectacular and am dissappointed.  My advice is to work harder............immediately.  Do not continue to further dissappoint me.

  One last thing.  Did you not ever learn how to phrase you opinions in such a way as to not piss off the female populace of a community?  Nature may have set the standard, but even I have to admit that mankind has moved beyond the suppression of the female half of our world.  Hell, some are even better than men so...................think about what you say before you say it. 

imean no offense by anything i say. if it comes out harshley or wrong i apologize i am not here to hurt anyones feelings or piss someone off im am usually at work replying to these forums so i dont have much time to think about how to answer things so i just go with the words that flow into my head. sometimes they are great others well.. you know
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on August 02, 2010, 01:54:23 PM
There is obviously no way to convince the moajority that my theory based on lineage is even remotely true, why this is i dont really know. I have noticed a few things though throughout this debate. which i pretty much saw from the begining. almost everyone on here, and i say almost, uses theoritical based facts to prove themselves right. Which is not wrong to do, just like my beliefs the beliefs of others could be right. But this proves my point as to my lineage which has been traced back a long way, farther than the 19th century, whether or not the info passed down to me is false made up or just straight wrong, it is now based on theory, so having said that who in this debate is right and who is wrong? Everyone. And the only reason i say this is because almost everyone tried to enforce there theories on my to tell me i was wrong. Have your theories caused me to think about what could be, yes, will that stop me from taking what i got out of my lineage and using still. no. I truely enjoyed this debate it taught me alot about anyone who replied. And i have also found out that battles must be picked and chosen and backed up with alot of theories and in my case puns.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Moloch on August 02, 2010, 03:37:18 PM
There is obviously no way to convince the moajority that my theory based on lineage is even remotely true, why this is i dont really know. I have noticed a few things though throughout this debate. which i pretty much saw from the begining. almost everyone on here, and i say almost, uses theoritical based facts to prove themselves right. Which is not wrong to do, just like my beliefs the beliefs of others could be right. But this proves my point as to my lineage which has been traced back a long way, farther than the 19th century, whether or not the info passed down to me is false made up or just straight wrong, it is now based on theory, so having said that who in this debate is right and who is wrong? Everyone. And the only reason i say this is because almost everyone tried to enforce there theories on my to tell me i was wrong. Have your theories caused me to think about what could be, yes, will that stop me from taking what i got out of my lineage and using still. no. I truely enjoyed this debate it taught me alot about anyone who replied. And i have also found out that battles must be picked and chosen and backed up with alot of theories and in my case puns.

First off, if you want to be taken seriously in an intelligent debate, you have to prove your intelligence. On that note, appearances count for a lot; so learn how to spell and use proper grammar and punctuation, or at least the spell and grammar check features on most browsers and computer word processors. Further, it helps to build a reputation for knowing what you're talking about before you start relying on your opinion to back up what you say. I nearly always state my opinion and regurgitate facts I learned long years ago; without bothering to post links or direct quotes.

How do I get away with this? I get away with it because of my reputation. On those, now rare, occasions where someone bothers to question me, I bury them with links and quotes backing up my opinion. In this way, it makes it troublesome to fact check a person who obviously knows their material.

I'm also known to be unrestricted in my consumption of knowledge and can speak intelligently on nearly any topic. Because of all of these things, many people respect me and seek my opinion on widely varied topics.

Now, on the subject of your lineage, which is spurious at best due to the media it is presented in, many people can trace their lineage back to biblical times; some can even trace it back to Adam and Eve. So, saying you can trace your lineage in this fashion is next to meaningless.

I suggest you start paying attention and learning; the real monsters here don't take disappointment well.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on August 03, 2010, 02:26:51 AM
As i have stated before there is no way for me to prove myself right... that was not the intention of this debate. If i seem unintelligible then i apologize for my idiocy, as for reputation no offense but I'm not seeking one, I'm very reputable in my area and well known all over southern Ohio (my origin of birth). I understand that my words are meaningless in the eyes of people who don't know me and have never actually spoken to me. But i can say that I do research alot of different things, I'm not the most valued source for the things I study but i will get there. I still have 7 years of training before i am considered remotely close to being a full druid. In that seven years time i can and will gain vast amounts of knowledge, and will challenge the knowledge of others to further my own education as well as theirs. I do greatly appreciate your advice and i do look forward to challenging you all to a battle of wits. This criticism will help further motivate me to give more than my best. Thank you
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Raziel on August 03, 2010, 03:03:19 AM
Cool, now shake hands and be friends.

He has his views regardless of how we percieve them, they harm none(except the sensibilities of some of us) Alright? calm down and lets  :focus:
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: jordyn on August 03, 2010, 07:33:38 AM
There is obviously no way to convince the moajority that my theory based on lineage is even remotely true, why this is i dont really know. I have noticed a few things though throughout this debate. which i pretty much saw from the begining. almost everyone on here, and i say almost, uses theoritical based facts to prove themselves right. Which is not wrong to do, just like my beliefs the beliefs of others could be right. But this proves my point as to my lineage which has been traced back a long way, farther than the 19th century, whether or not the info passed down to me is false made up or just straight wrong, it is now based on theory, so having said that who in this debate is right and who is wrong? Everyone. And the only reason i say this is because almost everyone tried to enforce there theories on my to tell me i was wrong. Have your theories caused me to think about what could be, yes, will that stop me from taking what i got out of my lineage and using still. no. I truely enjoyed this debate it taught me alot about anyone who replied. And i have also found out that battles must be picked and chosen and backed up with alot of theories and in my case puns.

First off, if you want to be taken seriously in an intelligent debate, you have to prove your intelligence. On that note, appearances count for a lot; so learn how to spell and use proper grammar and punctuation, or at least the spell and grammar check features on most browsers and computer word processors. Further, it helps to build a reputation for knowing what you're talking about before you start relying on your opinion to back up what you say. I nearly always state my opinion and regurgitate facts I learned long years ago; without bothering to post links or direct quotes.

How do I get away with this? I get away with it because of my reputation. On those, now rare, occasions where someone bothers to question me, I bury them with links and quotes backing up my opinion. In this way, it makes it troublesome to fact check a person who obviously knows their material.

I'm also known to be unrestricted in my consumption of knowledge and can speak intelligently on nearly any topic. Because of all of these things, many people respect me and seek my opinion on widely varied topics.

Now, on the subject of your lineage, which is spurious at best due to the media it is presented in, many people can trace their lineage back to biblical times; some can even trace it back to Adam and Eve. So, saying you can trace your lineage in this fashion is next to meaningless.

I suggest you start paying attention and learning; the real monsters here don't take disappointment well.

my dad's side was traced back to ancient gaul! :D  my mother's side all comes from the polish/bohemian area with a questionable  religious history emmigrating out of nazi austria.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Moloch on August 03, 2010, 09:13:10 AM
I'm very reputable in my area and well known all over southern Ohio (my origin of birth).

Hitler was well known and very reputable in Nazi Germany too....

Mussolini was reputable and well known in Fascist Italy...

Need I go on, or do you get the point? Being well known and reputable is not enough. You also must prove and be able to prove that you are correct. So far you have failed to do that and instead of rising to the challenge you resort to logic tricks, and faulty ones at that. If you can't carry on a good debate and back up your statements then please stop wasting our time with baseless opinions and faux facts. We have enough people who try to role play on here without adding it to other areas of the forum.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Tronth on August 03, 2010, 12:17:08 PM
Roleplay? Ouch I'm very hurt by that statement. You call me a ignorant and wrong and then on top of that you call me a liar... wow i really have no clue what to say.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on August 03, 2010, 12:32:41 PM
wow :o although that is a major insult, it kinda seems that moloch was holding back a bit
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: matthew321 on August 03, 2010, 02:39:44 PM
Tronth reflect carefully on your posts. You will then find why you are being found less correct then you could of been.

I was tempted to join in but I refrained and let others handle this. However I feel I should help you understand that you are being found less correct in your manner of presentation.

Please use the posts of other members to determine why you are being found less correct. Once you determine why you are less correct please go and make your self more correct.

I am barley grasping your defense but I do understand what you are trying to get at a little. However presentation is everything no matter how right you are.

Notice not once I said "wrong" that would be an insult to his manhood. However the use of less correct should be found less insulting.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Moloch on August 03, 2010, 03:17:43 PM
Bah. I've been as gentle as I know how up to this point. He can either get the pont and move on, or have the point thrust upon him, and then be moved along.

My lack of patience on these matters is famous, Tronth. In your case, because you were somewhat respected by others whom I respect, I have digressed. I will not any longer.

You say I have insulted you by being truthful with you. I think in the future you will find my truth far more brutal than you had thought possible.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Raziel on August 03, 2010, 11:21:46 PM
close the thread to prevent further smacketh down.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Moloch on August 04, 2010, 02:01:59 AM
Good idea. Seconded... due to feelings of mercy... and fatigue. Mornings suck.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on August 04, 2010, 12:43:31 PM
ah well it would of been nice to see moloch fully lash out but then the moderators wouldn't be too happy 'bout that...
and u're not the only one that doesn't like mornings XD.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Moloch on August 04, 2010, 05:41:53 PM
Heh... some would like it.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Raziel on August 04, 2010, 11:45:24 PM
I love mornings. They recharge mah batteries!!
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: Angelus on August 04, 2010, 11:54:05 PM
The mornings are good if you have been up all night. Watch the sunrise and then go to bed.
Title: Re: Curses And Angelic And Demonic Ties
Post by: confused_mystery on August 05, 2010, 12:41:46 PM
eh the light bothers the hell out of me so good thing when i wake up i'm faced down  XD