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Monstropedia => Forbidden Archaeology => Topic started by: Searune on July 04, 2006, 07:23:46 PM
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The Spear of Destiny, also known as the Spear of Longinus and the Heilige Lance — Holy Lance — is one of the most important Christian relics of the Passion of Jesus Christ. As first described in John 19:31-37, the Spear was used by a Roman soldier (Gaius Cassius, later called Longinus) to pierce the side of Christ as he hung on the cross. The Spear, bathed in the blood of the Lamb and playing a significant role in the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, is believed to have acquired tremendous mystical power. The first sign of that power was the purported healing of Gaius Cassius’s failing eyesight by blood from the wound. The centurion later become an early convert to Christianity.
The Spear subsequently passed through a multitude of hands, coming into the possession of many of Europe’s most important political and military leaders, including Constantine I, Alaric (the Visigoth king who sacked Rome in the year 410), Frankish general Charles Martel, Charlemagne, Frederick of Barbarossa, and Frederick II. A leader who possessed the Spear was said to be invincible; Charlemagne and Frederick of Barbarossa were undefeated in battle until they let the Spear fall from their hands. A legend arose that whoever claimed the Spear “holds the destiny of the world in his hands for good or evil.”
As a young man Adolf Hitler was fascinated by the Spear of Destiny, which he first saw displayed in the Hofsburg museum in Vienna, Austria in 1909. Hitler was familiar with the legend of the Holy Lance. His interest in the relic was further amplified by its role in the 1882 opera Parsifal — by Hitler’s favorite composer, Richard Wagner — which concerned a group of ninth-century knights and their quest for the Holy Grail. Hitler’s fascination with the Spear was pivotal in sparking his interest in the occult, which gave birth to his ideas on the origins and purpose of the Germanic race and contributed to his belief in his own destiny as a world conqueror.
On October 12, 1938, not long after the German annexation of Austria, Hitler ordered the S.S. to seize the Spear and other artifacts from Vienna. They were taken by train to Nuremberg, where they were stored in St. Katherine’s Church. The Spear remained in St. Katherine’s until 1944, when it was moved to a specially constructed vault beneath the church, built in secret and at great expense, intended to protect it and the other stolen relics from Allied bombs. Nuremberg was captured by Allied troops in April of the following year. The vault was subsequently discovered by American Army officers. The Spear was confiscated by American forces on the afternoon of April 30, 1945, less than two hours before Hitler’s suicide in his underground bunker in Berlin. Like the Spear’s previous owners, Hitler perished after the relic was taken from him.
Is it Real or Not ? let's Debate! *<:)
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well, where is it rumored to be now?
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http://www.monstropedia.org/index.php?title=Spear_of_Destiny
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well from what I've heard it was broken up into three pieces America has one, one is in Napoleon's tomb and other I don't know it's location
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That sounds quite unlikely. If the Americans recovered it in 1945, I can't see that they would break it up, and they definitely wouldn't have entrusted a piece of it to France had they done so. I believe it is somewhere in the USA - whole.
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From what I've heard it was broken before that ,Hitler had the spear's head.
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If what you say is correct, then perhaps occultists and cryptoarchaeologists should be looking for the "Bit of wood of Longinus"... The spear head, being metal, is the only part that is believed to have survived. The wooden shaft, made of Ash, would have been much more prone to damage and decay.
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depends, I mean look at from another view what if it was metal coated? or was preserved beyond all means of human perception? if not you're right mind you this is just what I heard
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What's interesting is that one of the crystal skulls was referred to as the Spear of Destiny.
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I'll say it right now.
I wish the Thule Society had gained possession of the entire spear.
Hitler would have won, eventually taken over the world, and wiped out all the non-white races. There goes the majority of the world's population. Then, in a fully white world, people would get sick of how things are and civil war would erupt. The government would fall, but pretty much everyone else would have already died.
Then the human race would have either gone extinct, or reduced to such a small size we would be forced into a tribal existence without the possibility of rebuilding for hundreds of thousands of years.
We almost had the perfect apocalypse. Why, Lords of Thule, did you fail?
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Hahaha. because they were inbred idiots.......preobably. i dunno :|
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I'll say it right now.
I wish the Thule Society had gained possession of the entire spear.
Please state better reasons.....
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Do you really need better reasons than that?
The human race would have been wiped out. That's a good enough reason.
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Dont you think that there is a possibility (equal to yours) that it just wasnt time for it?
And Destiny doesnt fail.... it just sees time differently.
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Dont you think that there is a possibility (equal to yours) that it just wasnt time for it?
And Destiny doesnt fail.... it just sees time differently.
she is right
all though I have to say that would have been great if we had failed
but the job was done and hitler asassinated sooooo the only people who know where the peices are...
are the gods...
which is good because I will not fail at humans surviving
it will not be another loss
another extinction me or the others could not save from happening
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Wittle needy needs a mommy to give him a hug.. :cry:
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the spear was seperated into two pecies the spear tip location is unknown b/c hitler hide it or lost it. the rest can be located in a mussem in europe not exactly sure whitch one i will have to get back to you on that its been awhile since i studied the spear. also the spear is said to give the weilder the abbility to win one battle no matter what the odds but in exchange for the weilders life. i will post back the location of the museum when i find it
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and i find it disturbing that people wish they never existed with wish of the apocalypse i mean we should be trying to live with the earth not all or nothing
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Too late for that... Im afraid.....
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to late for what
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and i find it disturbing that people wish they never existed with wish of the apocalypse i mean we should be trying to live with the earth not all or nothing
Living with the earth....
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its never to late only if you give up is it to late. as long as people try there is a chance. and thus in case we being humans are of the earth so getting rid of us is also destroying the earth
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haha that is halarious
get rid of humans then earth will get better
leave humans here and it will get sicker and die
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all thing die thats just nature itself. one day all humans will die one day all animals will die one day the earth will die. but desicding any of their fates is not our own dissicion its natures. if the earth wants it can get rid of us. if we want we can get rid of it. but enjoying life is what makes it worth it. if all u think is the earth is gona die then how good could you be. look at earths life. its lived a pretty good one and hell it might out live us even at the rate we are going. don't be in a hurry to cause death b/c then you miss out on life.
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Do we truly have the power to destroy the earth? I am highly doubtful as to the strength of your claim.
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oh dont worry I dont cause death but I do induse it
sooooo ya
plus I wont be here when humans die I will be long gone
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:focus:
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what would you think would happen if someone got ahold of the spear in order to try to harm people or become dictator of earth. hypithetical question yes i know its unlikely but what do you belive would happen
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Chaos... that would happen... :roll:
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but then again lets look at what the spear is the power of christ so then can the power of christ be used for evil? or would that what we see as evil acualtly be the good? will i ever stop asking these stupid questions some may be asking i will answer maby
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Power is neither good nor evil. Why do you think satan is called the "prince of darkness" and not the "king"?
Who owns the dark? who indeed?
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it depends on what religion you look at. i mean in my religion darkness was here befor the gods and was controld by Lord Sandralmen. thats where i got the name from. and in the end all things will return to Sandralmen. or you can look at darkness as a pysical object if that how you look at it the dark isn't owned we are by it
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I do enjoy your philosophies Sandman. Your happy bunny outlook on life and death is refreshing. As for what would happen if the spear were in evil hands?....oh man this is gonna open a whole can of worms, but what the hell.
When Christ died he opened the door for us to reach the forbidden realm of heaven. Unitl then no one, no matter how loyal to God or how good of a person you were, could reach it. His blood covered our sins and thus even an "evil" person would be covered under this forgiveness and have the ability (not the right, pay attention) to get into heaven and to stand in the Light. As such, this covering of blood would allow someone to use the spear for evil because they are born of the new breed of forgiven humans. Now, know this: the spear will not guarantee total success. Look at hitler. Look farther back even at rome. It will not stand for abuse of its power. Each person is given a choice and when someone takes the spear to use it they have the choice to use it for good or evil. And they must be given time to make that choice as part of our gift of free will (which I have doubts about, but thats another discussion). So I guess you were right in a way Sandman. In the end it will be used for good. Whether for or against the wielder's will.
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ah i disagree with you a bit. from what i know the spear garantees the victory of a battle a single battle it does not help with wars b/c war is a series of many battles so if u do look at it it helped hittle but with one battle and in extrange for that one battle it caused hitler his life. he was smart enoughf to know what a single battle is. its one fight. the garantee of on fight could mean nothing or it could mean everything. but it all depends on what fight that is and what ur goals are. so the spear did what it was supposed to do for hitler hitler just underestimated the spears power
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Please, both of you, tell me how you came to know this knowledge?
Because it seems to me to be a load of
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Some of it is speculation based on theories, some of it I have read in various manuscripts and/or publications. So its not totally unbased bull harkey. I try not to post stuff like that here, it gets nothing accomplished.
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Some of it is speculation based on theories, some of it I have read in various manuscripts and/or publications. So its not totally unbased bull harkey. I try not to post stuff like that here, it gets nothing accomplished.
Then you're certainly ahead of the majority of the people here.
I do the same thing, actually.
Do you believe some of it, though?
I rarely ever believe any of the stuff I talk about. It's just info I've picked up researching in my spare time.
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i believe in the information i have said. do i trust it 100% no no one should unless they themselves have full experienced it. other wise a lil doubt is good. it is what keeps use alive and undisapointed in life
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it is interesting though I must say
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thank you
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welcome
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As mentioned before, one of the crystal skull recovered from one of Hitlers bunkers was called the "Spear of Destiny." The question that puzzles me is why give it such a name and the spere that they are referring to is not a spear but more like an orb?
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So apparently from what I have read (Feel free to dispute me if you find something different) the lance is indeed broken into 3 parts. One would be the hilt, which is apparently in Rome under the Dome of Saint Peters. One would be most of the blade, not completely known where this is, and the tip of the blade, which broke off. There is no way to know where it actually is because there seems to be many different hypotheses and different stories on where it ended up. One thing that is common in all of them however is that any one part of the spear has great power, but when brought together it would change the world.