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Witches Brew => Pagan Living => Topic started by: Zak Roy Yoballa on January 25, 2006, 12:26:14 PM
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This is mainly for jorydn but anyone can answer.
Where does the power for your spells come from? This isn't a loaded question and I'm not being an jerk, I honestly want to know. Do all spells get their power from one place? Is it from beings or mystic energies or something else?
ZRY
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This is mainly for jorydn but anyone can answer.
Where does the power for your spells come from? This isn't a loaded question and I'm not being an jerk, I honestly want to know. Do all spells get their power from one place? Is it from beings or mystic energies or something else?
ZRY
from yourself...well, more precisely the energy of your will.
i'm sure this reply would vary depending on the practicioner you are speaking to...but in my opinion and experience most magic is based manipulating various energies, available to a person who tunes themselves into that aspect of our world...whether they are personal energies(desire, visualization, the soul etc.), external energies(demons, fairies and their like)more animistic(stones, herbs,etc.) or mental associations(scents, color etc.)
when doing a spell, it's not the words but the intent of your will...for example, say i want a hundred dollars.
I go about the necessary motions, researching what is best to attract the energies associated with prosperity, gathering particular stones, herbs and oils, that also have associated energies, choose an appropriate chant, perhaps summon an appropriate archetype, choosing the best phase of the moon, the most beneficial day and if i want to get really technical, an associated hour...while i'm gathering, researching and designing, i'm focused on that hundred dollars...and my reasons for needing it.
i do the spell, release the gathered, collected and focused energies and let them attract like energies...to me, presenting me opportunities i may have missed if my energy was focused elsewhere, or not at all.
it won't manifest itself like some genie's granted wish, i do have to keep my eyes open for the opportunity, maybe play the lottery, enter a contest..or it may be a more subtle opportunity, someone calls in sick to work and i get a few extra hours, a family member is inspired to give me a hundred dollar bill, someone who owns me money, repays it...i guess it's not so mystical when presented in this manner. :?
there are some practioners who use nothing but the will of their mind, simply visualizing and focusing on what they need, rather than going through all the ritual and motions, their spell power comes from meditation and focused will...a lot like prayer, yet not calling on an external force to assist them in their desire.
but those methods aren't as much fun, in my opinion. ;)
i hope this answers your question, i've never realized how difficult it is to explain how magic works...if you want anything more specific, just ask.
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Thanks jordyn!
So your style encompasses multiple sources of energy that are manipulated. It seems, from your observations, that there are others who specialize in one energy type, like fairies.
Maggot Man, is that similar to your experiences too?
What about anyone else, jordyn was kind enough to share her views what about anyone else?
ZRY
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Jordyn,
How do you know for sure that the energies you use are not from some evil source?
~Morticia
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Jordyn,
How do you know for sure that the energies you use are not from some evil source?
~Morticia
what is evil?
evil has no application in my life...that'd be like saying something in nature is evil because it's a predator and not prey...the nice thing is as a human i have the option of not becoming the prey.
for me the only evil is what man creates to allow some, explanation for what he can not control or deems as not right, by his standards...and is as subjective to society as people apply it...
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What is evil?
Good question. I'll start another thread about this.
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This is an interesting question, where do spells come from? I think they begin as prayers of an individual that are ritualized and passed on through the generations. I've always wondered about who sat down and wrote something like "the book of the dead" or a grimore. I guess it works like anything else, people experiment until they find something that works, then they pass on the info.
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If you use someone else's spell would it work the same? A spell seems personalized with the intent and the casters own energy. Just a question...thanks! Empty Void
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Spells have been used for ever to catalyse energies in order to manipulate time, space and the spiritual plan including action through external entities. There are spells but they require long practice and strong belief to be effective.
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To make a spell work, one is supposed to combine personal intent with a manipulation of energy and get the desired result. That's the whitewashed version.
From the "Truths of Life Morticia Learned the Hard Way", spells are really REALLY easy, because humans were not created with the ability to manipulate energies outside of our bodies. 'Something' or 'somebody' is giving us results for these spells. Each one has to figure out who that is.
Human beings can be very arrogant, demanding rights to power and control that belong to God alone. That's why we were banished from Eden.
~Morticia
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Human beings can be very arrogant, demanding rights to power and control that belong to God alone.
Is that such an unpardonable sin when one considers the fact that most spells are never cast with the intention of inflicting malicious injury on the well-fare of anyone else? As advanced beings, we have the birth right to employ our unique ingeniuty to better our own lives, with the assurance that no one else will suffer as a consequence. Had our ancestors chosen to rely on the benovalence of the divine alone, we would scarcely be more elevated than mere beasts. With free-will, comes the power to effect positive change. That is something that we should embrace, not repress.
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If you use someone else's spell would it work the same? A spell seems personalized with the intent and the casters own energy. Just a question...thanks! Empty Void
it happens all the time...anyone can go into a bookstore and find a spell that is useable...and if the will and desire are there, with the tenacity to pursue the presented opportunities...
from my experience and practices...
morticia's "whitewashed" version is more practical, being a human beign of nature and not the created whim of some god, spawned from incest.
from the "Truths of Life Morticia Learned the Hard Way", spells are really REALLY easy, because humans were not created with the ability to manipulate energies outside of our bodies. 'Something' or 'somebody' is giving us results for these spells. Each one has to figure out who that is.
i find very few spells easy...and am concerned for the practitioners who claim them to be so...
personally i put a lot of time, effort and concentration into the creation and utilization of my spells...and am rarely let down placing faith in the strenght of my desire rather than on my knees pleading with some divine source that may or may not choose to listen.
what if there is no god?
i can accept the fact that if there is a god, as fundamental christians present him, i'm doomed to a life of eternal suffering for my hedonistic lifestyle...regardless of what good deeds i may have done for humanity, simply for not believing in his way.
...why shouldn't humans have an ability to manipulate energy...we're from the earth(evolution) and have our own form of energy(soul)...who says that forces witches utilize are anything else besides naturally occuring energies that developed some form of consciousness...either from an internal or external source?
did your god tell you this, himself?
that's my biggest problem with the one god religions...everything that is a strength for humans is attributed to a supreme beign, everything that is a weakness, their supreme "evil"...leaving humans with little more power in life than being the toy pieces with a choice of follow one or the other, neither path is pleasant.
it undersells the true nature of man, a nature that allowed them to survive cataclysmic changes to the earth, live through an ice age, create great works of impossible feats(by their times) and develop cultures that are only dreamed of in present times and all before the coming of one god...
one god came, and look at humanity now...out of balance with nature and looking for faith, placing it in something, very few seem to have an ability to find.
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...one god came, and look at humanity now...out of balance with nature and looking for faith, placing it in something, very few seem to have an ability to find.
Even I have to say that this is at least a little unfair, and I'm not even monotheistic, myself... After all, the Romans were polytheistic, as were the Ancient Egyptians.
Mankind became out of balance as soon as he started believing that the Laws of Nature did not apply to him - that he was in fact divine, not a
"lowly" animal. This schism happened in every culture that asserted that humans were the center of the universe, and that humans existed to tame this "wild" place and put everything into "proper" order (perhaps, even through the use of what many would call magic...). It happened when humans first thought of slaughtering and utterly exterminating another group of beings (be they plant, animal or other human cultures). There are many factors that currently set humans at odds with the rest of the world - the greatest of which is their arrogance. So I disagree that Monotheistic lifestyles are responsible for the ills of the world today. I assert that it's cultural arrogance, and self-righteousness that are responsible, regardless of dogma.
If there's one thing that these cultures have been able to find faith in, it would be themselves. That's how I think it works in any parasitic culture.
...why shouldn't humans have an ability to manipulate energy...we're from the earth(evolution) and have our own form of energy(soul)...
To play the Devil's Advocate, here, I believe that anything that lives has a soul. Under this logic, does this mean that dolphins and orangutans can work magic as well? Better still, if they can work magic, why do you suppose they don't?
I'm not trying to challenge the existence of magic, gods, etc. I'm simply trying to illicit more rhetoric.
~ Loup
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...one god came, and look at humanity now...out of balance with nature and looking for faith, placing it in something, very few seem to have an ability to find.
Even I have to say that this is at least a little unfair, and I'm not even monotheistic, myself... After all, the Romans were polytheistic, as were the Ancient Egyptians.
not always...
neither of the civilizations lasted long after they embraced forms of monotheism...
To play the Devil's Advocate, here, I believe that anything that lives has a soul. Under this logic, does this mean that dolphins and orangutans can work magic as well? Better still, if they can work magic, why do you suppose they don't?
~ Loup
how do we know they aren't?
animals have different needs than humans...
just because it has not been witnessed by man, does not mean that even animals have magicks on their level...one could consider a dolphin's sonic ability to blast fish and stun them before leisurly dining as magick, apes putting a sitck in a hole and coming out with dozens of yummy food items could be considered magick...by their mental capabilities.
i do agree that the problem comes from people placing more faith in external forces than themselves...
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Is it your opinion then that anyone can learn to manipulate energy and focus that to achieve "magic"?(ie change the reality aroung us through external forces) I would hope so, but why do more people not do this if it is open to all of us?
Thanks Empty Void
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It happened when humans first thought of slaughtering and utterly exterminating another group of beings (be they plant, animal or other human cultures)
A sin unique to humans? Hardly. All animals have the ruthless zeal to triumph at the expense of another species, encoded in them. By embarking on the organized purge of living things that we disdain as ''vermin'', we are only adhering to the laws that nature imposed on her creation eons ago.
Take lions in Africa as excellent demonstration of this fact. Due to an unsustainable population explosion in their numbers, they are begining to compete aggresively with other species of predators for common food sources, forcing some of them dangerously close to the brink of extinction. The most famous example among the many victims of the lion's ruthless drive, is the cape hunting dog. Already devastated by raging epidemics of rabies, this critically endangered species now finds itself further threatened by the spectre of mass starvation. Both their kills and cubs are routinely stolen by opportunistic lions intent on removing the beseiged canines from prime hunting grounds that the big cats are eager to claim as an exclusive domain.
Does the lion ever worry that its severely detrimental actions may result in the cape hunting dog vanishing permanently from the African land-scape? I doubt it myself.
To seek to conserve is human, but to relish the destruction of your competitors is only natural. Nature's laws are still red in tooth and claw as ever.
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Is it your opinion then that anyone can learn to manipulate energy and focus that to achieve "magic"?(ie change the reality aroung us through external forces) I would hope so, but why do more people not do this if it is open to all of us?
Thanks Empty Void
yes, i do believe anyone can work magick, my opinion as to why..back to faith and application.
magick isn't easy...it takes time to train your mind to focus on intangible existances...that's why most magick starts with simple forms of meditation...getting to know the environment around you, the subtle energies that shift around everyday living...once they can do this with personal energies, they then can go out into nature and utilizes the occuring, unfamiliar energies there...the more practice one has with using their mind in syc with these energies, the less effort it takes.
and when things do start happening, the next hurdle is getting over the lack of believing it as real, versus the doubt in our own abilities that humans seem to...excell in. That's why more people don't practice any magick in my opinion..it's easier, not to.
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[quote="jordyn]
..and when things do start happening, the next hurdle is getting over the lack of believing it as real, versus the doubt in our own abilities that humans seem to...excell in. That's why more people don't practice any magick in my opinion..it's easier, not to.[/quote]
It's far easier not to do the actual spellwork, but I had reasons I considered very important and was willing to put in the time and effort to get the desired results in a couple of situations.
I've said before, I found it extremely easy - maybe that's because I was very prepared, had done all the prep work, etc.
However, maybe being human makes it impossible for us to foresee every single outcome of an intent. Each spell I cast came back to haunt me in one way or another; they created a new problem I had to deal with.
~Morticia
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[quote="jordyn]
..and when things do start happening, the next hurdle is getting over the lack of believing it as real, versus the doubt in our own abilities that humans seem to...excell in. That's why more people don't practice any magick in my opinion..it's easier, not to.
It's far easier not to do the actual spellwork, but I had reasons I considered very important and was willing to put in the time and effort to get the desired results in a couple of situations.
I've said before, I found it extremely easy - maybe that's because I was very prepared, had done all the prep work, etc.
However, maybe being human makes it impossible for us to foresee every single outcome of an intent. Each spell I cast came back to haunt me in one way or another; they created a new problem I had to deal with.
~Morticia[/quote]
i've heard other stories from people like this too...i'm not sure i know why there's such a difference in experiences...but they are numerous.
some people have problems with spirit communication, that aspect of the occult comes easily to me. *shrugs*
but i'm not sure if that would be considered magick...