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Apocalypse Soon => Conspiracies => Topic started by: whitefox17 on July 10, 2008, 12:52:22 PM

Title: making a dino
Post by: whitefox17 on July 10, 2008, 12:52:22 PM
I was doing the watching of the science channel and they were thinking of useing a emu to make a dino

cool right  8-)
wrong they're puting human brain genomes in the embryo
who in they're right mind would do that
* one its a meat eater
*2 it has a human brain/or at least is as smart as a human
*3 it has hands of a raptor
*4 it will be able to move at 45mph
*5 humans are not that fast


 any opinions
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Sick_Angel13 on July 10, 2008, 01:27:21 PM
All I have to say is that that's plain stupid. :-P
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: whitefox17 on July 10, 2008, 01:38:30 PM
exactly
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Nina on July 10, 2008, 02:02:10 PM
I agree, this is the stupidest idea I heard of lately... and there has been a few....
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Raziel on July 10, 2008, 04:01:51 PM
 Did you even understand the process they were planning out whitefish?

Birds, are descended from the dinos, they even have tiny unused teeth in their mouths, the scientist are planning to trick the bird DNA to follow their former matrices. That way it is possible to grow a smallish dino from an bird egg..

This process is still under its initial stages, thought the idea is probably older than you (yes i do not think you are 44 billion earth years)


But calling it stupid without actually looking it up yourself and understanding the science makes you no better than those idiots that thought that humans couldn't   possibly fly..... then came the air balloon.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Nina on July 10, 2008, 04:23:35 PM
Are you calling us stupid or what? :roll:
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Sick_Angel13 on July 10, 2008, 04:57:28 PM
Yeah, humans can fly now but what use has a dinosaur? :doh: What a dangerous result making a dino can be...
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Raziel on July 10, 2008, 05:25:02 PM
And you people call yourselves open minded. Extinction won't be a problem!  it will be a milestone for genetics and DINOS ROCK!
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Sick_Angel13 on July 10, 2008, 05:33:43 PM
Well that's MY opinion - and I assure you, I'll laugh my ass off when I see you getting hunted by T-Rex.

Don't forget that not all dinosaurs are harmless like Barney. (But Barney sure does freak me out. *shivers*)
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Raziel on July 10, 2008, 10:50:16 PM
You really think that we are that stupid? Jurassic Park's plot is an island full of dino's made for the pleasure of an excentric billionaire.

Real scientists arn't that careless or stupid. plus the government will take a special interest in such a project when it nears it completion. so there's nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Nina on July 11, 2008, 04:12:48 AM
I see only one possible reason for making this dino: military reason. If they made HIV and zombie viruses, they made robots and cyborgs for battlefield, invisible suits and EM guns, why is it so hard to see that they obviously consider this creature as possible warrior. By having a brain of human, they need him to  teach and destroy what learned.... but that is only mine, narrow minded opinion....
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: whitefox17 on July 11, 2008, 04:54:28 AM
you makes good pionts
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Sick_Angel13 on July 11, 2008, 11:20:50 AM
I would agree, they already spend billions on the war - why not a dino for military use?
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Petling on July 23, 2008, 07:11:04 AM
I posted an interesting thread in Mythological Monsters on this subject. That is all I have to say. >_>
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: whitefox17 on July 29, 2008, 08:18:12 AM
I would agree, they already spend billions on the war - why not a dino for military use?
but if they have human brain genome they can decide wether or not to work in the military
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Nina on July 29, 2008, 09:22:28 AM
Whitefox, you know very well that humans are quite easy to command.... and I know you are well aware  of programming... and scorpio program as well....
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: whitefox17 on July 29, 2008, 12:49:54 PM
yes but humans all so dont like to be controled
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Sick_Angel13 on July 29, 2008, 03:58:26 PM
yes but humans all so dont like to be controled

But it's still easy to control some, whether they like it or not.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: ImmortalKain on July 31, 2008, 10:09:08 AM
I think that the human genomes will just make it dumber  *<:) *<:) *<:) *<:) No offense to anyone here, you guys being the exception  :wink:
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Nina on July 31, 2008, 10:23:42 AM
Probably....  :-D
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Sick_Angel13 on July 31, 2008, 10:45:51 AM
 *<:)
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: blow_fly on August 02, 2008, 09:03:46 PM
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If they made HIV

The U.S military genetically engineered H.I.V?  That is news to me.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Sick_Angel13 on August 03, 2008, 07:25:18 AM
There is a big IF on that about HIV...
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Petling on August 03, 2008, 09:20:55 AM
Nahhh, if it was genetically engineered, then it was by some side agency. Maybe modern day Nazis trying to take out homosexuals. :?
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: blow_fly on August 06, 2008, 05:31:45 AM
Seeing as how H.I.V has hurt numerous heterosexual families, I think that premise is pretty unlikely. In my opinion, the traditional explanation still makes the most sense, namely that H.I.V's initial emergence was  due to the fact that a certain anoynmous African hunter got careless a few decades ago and allowed his fluids to mingel with that of a chimpanzee he was in the process of butchering.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Petling on August 06, 2008, 08:42:18 AM
I was always told he got it from sex with it, the same way we get it from each other. :?
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: whitefox17 on August 06, 2008, 09:59:15 AM
 :focus: and that is nasty good thing my body is amune to hiv
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: MaHaTmA on August 07, 2008, 02:36:31 PM
yes but humans all so dont like to be controled

But it's still easy to control some, whether they like it or not.


its easy to control all humans, just for example if you have money you have power and with power you can have control.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: TheTerror on August 16, 2008, 12:40:02 PM
ya it is easy to control human but what if the dinos had a revelution
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Petling on August 16, 2008, 01:15:51 PM
*<:) VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!! *<:)
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: TheTerror on August 16, 2008, 01:23:58 PM
woh petling *<:)
 *<:) damn girl
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 17, 2008, 11:09:06 AM
Hmm...animals with baby fist sized brains at best......yep they got a good chance against the humans  *<:) *<:) *<:) *<:)   :gun:
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: TheTerror on August 17, 2008, 05:10:22 PM
they do
a bullet wont hurt a dino
and they will have a bigger brain theb that
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: blow_fly on August 18, 2008, 04:40:59 AM
Are you seriously claiming that the species responsible for developing the atomic bomb,that most terrible of ecological scourges,  would be unable to preserve itself  in the event of an uprising by far more primitive life-form that never quite succeeded in mastering the complex skill of tool-making? Get real.  *<:)
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 18, 2008, 11:09:28 AM
uh...sha. Knowing them, they'll forget to load the bomb on the aircraft and detonate it still in the hangar. I work for the government trust me I know what kind of inept tools they use for jobs like that. hear about the recent load of nukes they "misplaced" then found out someone had loaded the wrong box onto a cargo plane? I rest my case
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: TheTerror on August 18, 2008, 01:21:54 PM
um dinos weren't primitive
a raptor was two times as smart as a human
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: blow_fly on August 18, 2008, 07:17:27 PM
*begins to knock his head against the wall in extreme exasperation*
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: rave phillaphia on August 18, 2008, 08:11:04 PM
just one thing about the emu... Dinosaurs are not extinct. The only living dinosaurs are birds aka Avian dinosaurs are the only living dinosaurs alive. An emu is supposedly related to the raptor. A raptor didn't really eat big meat like in jurassic park they are known to eat small animals and lizzards. Its theorized that they ate eggs but that might be wrong because it might be their own eggs they found these raptors located with. Right now there are several different types of raptors. They hunted in packs it is theorized but kind of like how birds act today. To know how dinosaurs acted we should look at how birds act because they are the last dinosaurs.

Yes I think its a stupid idea to try to bring back the old dinosaurs like in jurassic park but it will not work because they do not have the dna to match up the genetic splicing to do so. The only dinosaur they could do that is the T-Rex because they accedentally stumbled upon a way to get the midochondral dna from the bones because how the T-Rex was preserved. But they don't have enough information to do that anyways or the money or rights to do it so we shouldn't really worry about it.

P.S Dinosaurs are not stupid creatures like people give them credit. Its just that when the metorite hit the earth it caused a sudden cooling of the earth and they couldn't handle it because the sun was blocked out by the dust kicked up killing the plants. no plants no plant eaters no meat eaters mass extinction and now my kitten is playing with my mouse so i have to stop the KITTY!!!!!
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: blow_fly on August 19, 2008, 01:59:49 AM
Dinos would certainy have been ''stupid'' in comparision with modern humans. They were doubtlessly highly successful life-forms able to thrive in their diverse habitats, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate that they possessed anything which remotely resembled what is commonly termed ''self-awareness''. With regard to what you said about the inability of current science to clone dinos,I must confess that I am greviously dissapointed. So much for my dream of someday having my own private dino wild-life reserve.  :-(
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: TheTerror on August 19, 2008, 05:30:57 AM
ya some raptors ate big prey
like the one that took down the iguanadon
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on August 20, 2008, 10:02:07 PM
*<:)


 The iguanadon?????
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: TheTerror on August 21, 2008, 03:01:06 AM
nah really
and no trust me please
dinosauria were as smart as humans personaly I thought they were smarter
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: bandersnatch on August 21, 2008, 03:15:10 AM
nah really
and no trust me please
dinosauria were as smart as humans personaly I thought they were smarter

I'll try to be merciful because you're young...
But seriously, how could a dinosaur be as smart as a human?
I mean, even our closest relatives, the great apes, don't even come close. The closest to our intelligence in the animal kingdom is the whale family.

Here's an example of the intelligence of dinosaurs:
The troodon, considered by many paleontologists to be one of the smartest dinosaurs, had a brain larger in relation to its body than any other dinosaur discovered so far.
Guess what? It was the size of a chicken and had a brain the size of a small lizard's brain. Thus, it would have had an intelligence level equal to that of a modern bird, based on the relational brain size.

I guess I should make it simpler so you can understand it:
The smartest dinosaur that ever lived was only slightly smarter than a crow.

You can look it up if you don't believe me. Of course, I doubt you'll do so. You seem to have a tendency to be quite comfortable in the little fantasy world you live in.

I don't mean to offend, Terror, but you really ought to research such things before you open your mouth.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Petling on August 21, 2008, 07:51:01 AM
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Here's an example of the intelligence of dinosaurs:
The troodon, considered by many paleontologists to be one of the smartest dinosaurs, had a brain larger in relation to its body than any other dinosaur discovered so far.
Guess what? It was the size of a chicken and had a brain the size of a small lizard's brain. Thus, it would have had an intelligence level equal to that of a modern bird, based on the relational brain size.
Actually, brain size doesn't matter in relation to intelligence. They've found a parrot that has the intelligence of a fifth grader whose brain is smaller then a human hand, & a spider who uses strategy & varied hunting techniques, & who has even been recorded in a lab making stuff up a she goes along. Which means she has to have imagination, with a brain smaller than most most spiders in proportion, & only the size of a grain of salt.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: TheTerror on August 21, 2008, 01:16:36 PM
thx pet and bander.....you really don't know how old I am um and don't look on me profile cause thats not it
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: bandersnatch on August 21, 2008, 02:29:38 PM
Actually, brain size doesn't matter in relation to intelligence.

This is both true and untrue.
You are correct, brain size does not necessarily matter, but there's a certain point where a brain is incapable of a certain level of intelligence because the brain is too small. Our brains are as high-functioning as they are because our little waddling furry ancestors went from eating mostly plant-material to eating TONS of fatty red meat, and the fat went straight to the brain. The more fat there is, the more brain matter there is to store information, and the more room there is to form neural pathways.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 02:33:42 PM
 I'd just like to add that there are exceptions to every rule. Just because one spider can do all that.. doesn't mean any others of the same type could.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Petling on August 21, 2008, 02:37:02 PM
But not everything needs storage. We are just unique like that, almost all of our intelligence is learned. While many animals are functioning on purely instinctual knowledge. Like that spider, nobody taught it how to hunt, or use the process of elimination, it got that purely on it's own, from it's instinct.

I'm not saying you are wrong, snatch. There are just too many forms of intelligence to judge all by one single standard.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 02:40:03 PM
 But without storage... or memory... They wouldn't be able to do anything once they'd done it. They'd have to relearn every single thing they did every single time they did it....
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Petling on August 21, 2008, 02:42:04 PM
True, that's why it has all the scientists in an uproar, they can't figure it out. I wish I could remember the name of the documentary, give you some links. :cry:
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 02:44:32 PM
 As I said..... there are exceptions to every rule. Seems like this spider might be one.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: bandersnatch on August 21, 2008, 02:45:42 PM
But not everything needs storage. We are just unique like that, almost all of our intelligence is learned. While many animals are functioning on purely instinctual knowledge. Like that spider, nobody taught it how to hunt, or use the process of elimination, it got that purely on it's own, from it's instinct.

I'm not saying you are wrong, snatch. There are just too many forms of intelligence to judge all by one single standard.

Yes, everything needs storage.
or else you run out of room to put the things you learn. Do you see? I'm not disagreeing with you. I do agree intelligence is an abstract concept that's extremely hard to judge. But when talking about sentience, that is, self-awareness on the level that only humans and possibly dolphins and apes possess, there is a certain size required for the brain so that it can store not only the potential to be sentient, but anything else an individual learns in their life.
See?

Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Petling on August 21, 2008, 02:48:24 PM
Yes, but let us just civilly agree to disagree. :-)
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 02:50:56 PM
 What size would be correct for most things, then? Isn't the average human brain 3 or 5 pounds? (Can't remember) And why is it.. if we all have about the same sized brain... there are such dumb people out there?
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Petling on August 21, 2008, 02:55:18 PM
Cuz they are genetic backwash, out in the animal kingdom they would have been eaten, so they couldn't pass on their genes, but technology has allowed them to survive. & I'm not talking about disabled people, half of them would survive better than my own siblings if forced out into nature. :wink:
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 02:57:38 PM
 No.. handicapped and disabled do not make them stupid. And you're right again, Pet... they are backwash. Guess I just didn't think that through before I posted.  :doh:
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Petling on August 21, 2008, 03:17:20 PM
Lolz, it's okay. :-D
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: ImmortalKain on August 21, 2008, 05:37:23 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of genetic excrement, but backwash works  *<:) I know a few people like that  :roll:
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: bandersnatch on August 21, 2008, 05:40:52 PM
What size would be correct for most things, then? Isn't the average human brain 3 or 5 pounds? (Can't remember) And why is it.. if we all have about the same sized brain... there are such dumb people out there?

Because it only stores the potential to be sentient. Intelligence and sentience are seperate, though often related, concepts.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 06:01:55 PM
 As are common sense and intelligence. My uncle is brilliant... but doesn't have the common sense of a fruit fly.  :doh:
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on August 21, 2008, 09:38:55 PM
 What are some other differences?
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: rave phillaphia on October 19, 2008, 01:45:41 PM
brain size doens't matter its brain capacity. A human brain capacity is inbetween the range of 1500-1550 and the neanderthals actually were much higher of 1600-1650. A homo sapiens sapiens brain is smaller in size weight and capacity. The problem with the Neanderthals is that one theory because they had such bigger heads that it was harder to reproduce offspring as quickly as homo sapiens sapiens (the mother and child would die). I know its a stupid reason for the neanderthals to go extinct but that is one reason.

back to the topic with dinosaurs though. Dinosaurs were not stupid creatures. I mean they live three times as long as humans have been around its just bad things happend. The metorite hit the earth starting with mass destruction in the nothern american continent and then that sprung events across the world by first blocking out the sun making it extremly cold killing off the plants which killed plant eaters and then killed carnivors. Mammals and other animals survived only because they were able to substain in those environmental conditions (look at Darwin's law of natral selection). I mean we have seen that people have problems like this if you want to think contemporary. Like the Roanoke village (first colonies) or the mayans or even easter day island. They eventually depleated natural sources and had to leave because there was no food!!! Just because Dinosaurs died off doesn't make them stupid it just means that they were not adapted to the radical changes in the environment.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Regina Terra on October 19, 2008, 08:45:26 PM
I saw a documentary that said that the smartest dinosaur was as intelligent as the modern day domesticated chicken, which made it a genius in comparison to other dinos.

Any truth to that rave? :?
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Mr. Kreepy on October 19, 2008, 09:10:07 PM
I saw a documentary that said that the smartest dinosaur was as intelligent as the modern day domesticated chicken, which made it a genius in comparison to other dinos.

Any truth to that rave? :?

I know the question wasn't directed at me, but...
Quite a few dinosaurs, especially therapods, were incredibly intelligent. The dinosaur you're referring to, the Troodon, was the size of a chicken. It had a very large brain relative to it's body size, and was probably capable of being very intelligent, perhaps as much as a primate.

Regarding what you said, Rave, you are partially correct. Brain size doesn't always have a connection with mental capacity. BUT...A larger brain has more space to store information. This is especially evident in extinct hominids. Many early hominds picked up a primarily meat diet, and the fat they absorbed from eating carrion and eventually hunted animals went to the brain, thus increasing the brain size over many generations.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Regina Terra on October 20, 2008, 09:20:38 AM
Nope Kreepy, they were actually talking about a velociraptor. & they only think they are the smartest cuz of the evidence of it hunting in packs.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Mr. Kreepy on October 20, 2008, 05:20:12 PM
Nope Kreepy, they were actually talking about a velociraptor. & they only think they are the smartest cuz of the evidence of it hunting in packs.

The velociraptor was smart, definitely, and did hunt in packs, but there is quite a bit of evidence to show that the family Dromaeosauridae, which contains velociraptors, was by no means the smartest of all the families of dinosaurs that existed. Plenty of other therapods were extremely intelligent, some even as much as certain primates.
if I may ask, where did you get this information, and how up-to-date is it?
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: TheTerror on October 21, 2008, 02:13:06 AM
Thank you Kreepy you beat me to it. If a dino was as smart as a chicken ...
* They wouldnt hunt in packs.
* They wouldnt be able to defend themselves.
* Etc.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on October 21, 2008, 12:29:53 PM
 A dino being as smart as a chicken isn't saying much. Especially when you stop to think that chickens will pick undigested food out of their own poo. I hope some of the human race can be so advanced someday.. :roll:
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: rave phillaphia on October 21, 2008, 05:24:38 PM
ok if we are comparing animals to humans then yes it may be but you have to consider that human smartness is different than reptile smartness (i hate using this word). Dogs eat their own crap too so its not just chickens that do that. But you also have to consider that the chicken may be how it is now only because it was bred that way. There is a particular dinosaur that was found in the chinese area and was about 9 feet tall and kind of looked like a giant chicken with teeth. They looked at the mDNA and there is a 99.8% identical. This is the same amount of humans compaired to our closest relatives such as chimpanzees and bonoboos. Like i said earlier intellegence is based off of brain capacity NOT size. Like for example mice have high brain capacity but little brains. In the case of chickens it is because they were breeded in the past 10,000 years to be the way they are now. they once were not like that. Same thing with dogs. They are now mans best friend but that is because we breeded them. Wolves are hard to breed because they are not diverse like other types of dogs so you can't obtain those certain qualities in an animal. I like to call this process 'short term' selection (a joke to natural selection) because it is relatively short in comparision to the long process of evolution (having certain traits that live while other traits die out, mutation only is there not throughout a whole but only to individuals who pass that trait kind of like eye color or hair color).

 If we look today we can see that chickens may be the dumbest birds out there but that is because we breeded them that way. But we also have to compare other birds (the only dinosaurs that went extinct were land dinosaurs not the avian ones which do NOT say that water reptiles ex: pleistosaurus or Avian reptiles or Pterosaurs ex: pterodactyls are dinosaurs because they are EXTREMELY NOT DINOSAURS they are different in many ways. Just because they are large doesn't mean anything a lot of animals were big during the triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous periods due to a lot of oxygen and it being very warm in that part of the Earths time). Hawks for example are one of the smartest animals out there. Yes some characteristics of birds have been manipulated like carrier pidgeons and Hawks can deliver messages but overall they are extremly smart and can obtain food fairly easily.

The problem is that people are using the law of uniformitarianism which works a lot of the time but is not always correct. We try to compare what happens now to the past. We do have to consider that the time was different because of different climatic conditions. More oxygen warmer temeratures continental collisions (one major continent) makes diversity very different.

We should not try to compare todays chicken, after many innovations by people that occured upon them, to its ancestors because we influenced them differently to act that way. If we could see how chickens were before people trained them and adapted them to our use than we would have more of a basic comparision to even consider the ancestors intellegence. If you want to think about it in a more simpler way think of berries. When we manipulate the offspring to get certain characterists they are going to be entirely different than wild berries so different in fact that it may even be different in texture size color and taste. 
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on October 21, 2008, 06:37:01 PM
 How, exactly, do you breed something to eat it's own shyt? A few dogs do it because.. well, they're dogs. They scavange at times. Same reason they dig in the trash and chew on your underware. But I've never seen a chicken run up in my bedroom to snatch one of my thongs and run around chewing on it. Intelligence is the correct word for 'smartness'... and bred not breeded. And the comment about humans... that was sarcasm.. a joke. Chuckle, chuckle, ya'll.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Regina Terra on October 21, 2008, 06:54:02 PM
Dogs only eat their shyt cuz of their Egyptian ancestors. The Wild Painted Dogs, who can only be found in Africa. They eat their own poo on the hunt so predators can't track them to their den & eat their pups.

Ugh, my bad y'all. :focus:  Anyways, I saw it on a documentary.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on October 21, 2008, 07:22:47 PM
 No. There's no way that's true. All dogs aren't related. You think they all came from one origional pair of dogs?? That's the ONLY way that theory works.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Mr. Kreepy on October 21, 2008, 07:28:33 PM
Dogs only eat their shyt cuz of their Egyptian ancestors. The Wild Painted Dogs, who can only be found in Africa.

All breeds of domesticated dogs are part of the Canis Lupus Familiaris subspecies of Canis Lupus, the Grey Wolf. No exceptions. Please, do your research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog
it's in the FIRST LINE, with a source link at the end of the paragraph. There is no excuse for spreading false information when you can easily find accurate information.

They eat their own poo on the hunt so predators can't track them to their den & eat their pups.

Can you site a source?

Anyway, I vote this thread be locked. It has surpassed any point it might have once had and has strayed so far off the subject that I think locking it might be best.
Title: Re: making a dino
Post by: Kadesh on October 21, 2008, 07:32:56 PM
 Locking this thread is a good idea. It hasn't been on the actual topic for a couple pages now.



 Consider it done. :police: