[prezhorusin04]

And, to play 'Devil's Advocate', say that the moon landings were undoubtedly HOAXED..

Or the JFK assassination..

Or 911..

2 Stolen elections..

War..

Or any number of huge events..

Think of the sense of POWER they must have when they get away with things like this.

The intoxicating curse of mass social manipulation.

And they'll keep going bigger and bigger, as long as the propaganda campaign is firmly in place, the media is compliant, and people keep believing the illusion...

Umm......... so who won? prehorusin04 or shadowborn?

[Thundergod]

what about moon rocks ? evidence ? or could they have come from a comet or something and been used as key tools in getting people to believe we went to the moon to collect them?

Those can be easily faked. and most of the scientists that speciallize in astronomy are in NASA.

It would be exceddingly easy for them to make fakes. one conspiracy ties in with another..............

[prezhorusin04]

I agree with you Raz. Moon rocks could be manufactured in laboratories, or as well, remnants of moon rocks have been found on Earth, primarily in arctic regions.

Though it's from WIKI, here is a decent collection of some of the hoax accusations. Though, there are still some biggies that they leave out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_accusations

[Shadowborn]

Umm......... so who won? prehorusin04 or shadowborn?

I didn't realize it was a contest. 

Seriously though, I firmly believe that Occam's Razor is the right train of thought when dealing with conspiracy theories. The amount of micro-management necessary to perpetuate a hoax of the magnitude that a faked moon landing would be, the amount of people that would have to be monitored, controlled, and silenced (if necessary) is too great to manage. Hell, our government can't even balance a budget, let alone pull off a hoax of this magnitude without some sort of leak. Nixon's scandal was ferreted out by a few media hounds. If there was a conspiracy, someone would have exposed it by now.

[Moloch]

And what if the only folks who knew it to be a hoax were the "astronauts", and a select handful of G-men, which would also exclude the Pres.? In a case like that, you only have maybe a dozen who are in the know, a more manageable number wouldn't you agree? (FFYI: I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here.)

[Shadowborn]

And what if the only folks who knew it to be a hoax were the "astronauts", and a select handful of G-men, which would also exclude the Pres.? In a case like that, you only have maybe a dozen who are in the know, a more manageable number wouldn't you agree? (FFYI: I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here.)

The studio would have to be rented, the camera and lighting equipment, not to mention the actual lunar module, moonbuggy, flag, and other equipment would have to be requisitioned, bought, or rented. (Or stolen, but then there would be more of a paper trail, not to mention suspicion.)

A few G-men? Like who, for example? What government officials have more authoratiative power than the President? Now we're moving into the realm of the X-files, some shadow government sitting in a smoky room making decisions that not even the leader of our country knows about, and somehow getting away with it...

What if they got caught? Is beating the Russians in the space race, which was a symbolic gesture more than any real concrete victory, worth federal prosecution and prison?

[Moloch]

The UN moves trains and such through our country unchecked now, in this age of information super-saturation. So, how much easier would it have been back in the '60's when people actually trusted the government? It would be much easier then to do those things and get away with it. The government built an entire small city in a mountain and it never leaked out till after the Cold War was over. To answer your question, yes, I believe it is quite possible that this could be a plausible scenario. As for the X-files stuff, who knows, maybe FEMA is the new shadow government, or whatever the in-term is right now.

the renting of stuff is something i could have done.

Paper trails can be burned. and the only ones who knew what they were doing were the ones doing the conspiracy.

astronomy specialists are exceedingly rare when outside nasa/nasa affiliates.

[Shadowborn]

The UN moves trains and such through our country unchecked now, in this age of information super-saturation. So, how much easier would it have been back in the '60's when people actually trusted the government? It would be much easier then to do those things and get away with it. The government built an entire small city in a mountain and it never leaked out till after the Cold War was over. To answer your question, yes, I believe it is quite possible that this could be a plausible scenario. As for the X-files stuff, who knows, maybe FEMA is the new shadow government, or whatever the in-term is right now.

Was said "city" built without the knowledge elected government officials? Not likely. What about my question concerning the outcome being worth the risk? What would be the point of continuing such a charade? Who benefits?

[Shadowborn]

the renting of stuff is something i could have done.

Paper trails can be burned. and the only ones who knew what they were doing were the ones doing the conspiracy.

astronomy specialists are exceedingly rare when outside nasa/nasa affiliates.

Sure, you or I could rent the stuff, but how do you go about not arousing suspicion? Or for that matter, even simple curiosity? Someone would have to build replicas of both the lunar module and the moonbuggie (a working model at that) and transport them around without raising any sort of questions as to why they were made. The originals were government property, and you can't just walk away with that sort of thing on a whim.

Proverb: Three men can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.

So are you trying to say that astronomy specialists across the country were in on the conspiracy? I don't know what you're trying to say with that statement.

Buget equals really high. They could have built the stuff themselves and rented out a place which they or someone they knew owned under a fake or annonymous name.

 some people can be convinced and some could just disappear like some paper work. they have the money. and if the goverment was in it. then they defintely had the connections

[rave phillaphia]

You know what I should do. I should get my degree in physics and geology then work for NASA (with my best friend who is planning to work there after schooling for it) and then get myself shot to the moon  and then we will see about moon hoxes when I take pictures of myself and post it on here... someday maybe but I will have to ride a "real" plane one day and not just a helecopter and a small two person plane (just to see if I can actully handle it).

Truthfully I don't believe it was fake because it was 1969 (they didn't have really good special effects)... plus we have been there since then so... as long as there are no batlike people on the moon I will be fine (for all of thouse who don't know what I am talking about you need to really read The Great Moon Hoax in the New York Sun by John Herschel. Now there is a moon hoax, kind of funny actully...

Is there anyone who wants to go with me to the moon someday and maybe even Mars???       


P.S you can make replicas of everything take a look at the movie "The Master of Disguise"...

TURTLE TURTLE TURTLE! sorry had to do it I couldn't resist... 

anyways...

[Shadowborn]

Buget equals really high. They could have built the stuff themselves and rented out a place which they or someone they knew owned under a fake or annonymous name.

 some people can be convinced and some could just disappear like some paper work. they have the money. and if the goverment was in it. then they defintely had the connections

Ok, but my main, most pressing question remains unanswered. Why? Why go through all the trouble? And, once it's been done, and the space race doesn't matter any more, why still keep it a secret, and at what cost?