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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2008, 12:10:29 AM »
You're right, that information is extremely unreliable.
In a lot of ways, previously captive animals, whether exotic animals or average domesticated animals, thrive in the wild.
1. They're in an environment that did not evolve to accomodate them, thus leading to an almost immediate test of survival. Either they become fiercely survivalistic, or they die almost immediately.
2. Domesticated animals are instilled with an insatiably gluttonous appetite by humans. The only way to accomodate this is aggressive feeding habits, leading to extinction of native lifeforms.
3. Us humans are the only animals on Earth that have by-and-large lost our instincts. Though they may not be able to actually accomplish the task, all animals still know how to stay alive in the wild.
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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2008, 08:24:35 AM »
All very good points, except in some rare cases, most of them DO die off immediately. If this was so successful, then people would have made a huge success in reintroducing endangered species back into the wild, but sadly, most die off immediately.

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But wouldn't an animal that has hitherto been completely dependent on humans to feed it, find itself facing the very real possibility of starvation in the wild? I apologise if my ignorance on the matter is showing, but the commonly accepted wisdom holds that domesticated animals released into the wild usually succumb quickly to death due to their inability to cope with the numerous crises that nature throws at them.
As for pigs, they are omnivorous, they eat ANYTHING. They even eat their own piglets if they get hungry enough. So they have no problem surviving off of acorns, shrooms, other animal dung, rotten carcasses, & so forth. Plus, they are even less domesticated than house cats, & they run around feral all the time. A normal pig will grow bushy hair, tusks, a HUGE layer of muscle & fat over their shoulders for foraging & burrowing all in less than a month of fending on it's own.

Plus, the mother's milk is so rich, that the babies have a HUGE success rate of survival. In zoos, they even use pigs as wet nurses for endangered animals.
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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2008, 01:49:21 PM »
All very good points, except in some rare cases, most of them DO die off immediately. If this was so successful, then people would have made a huge success in reintroducing endangered species back into the wild, but sadly, most die off immediately.

Part of the problem with this, a problem that very few people have the wisdom to see, is that animals go extinct for a reason.
See, extinction is a totally natural process. Things live, and then they die. Totally natural.
Now, when an environment changes to the point where a species living in it has a harder time surviving and becomes extinct, that means that particular environment is no longer suitable for them. Trying to release an endangered animal into an environment that no longer works for them is still going to have the same effect of killing them off.
Whereas, with animals like pigs, cattle, and horses, who are so different from their roots that they no longer have a "natural" habitat, there's little problem surviving, simply because they can upset the balance of that habitat in a way that favors them.
The proof is all around us - Cattle living wild in Scotland, wild mustang horses in the American great plains, and wild hogs in the deep south, even dingos in Australia. All of these animals were once domesticated and acted as invasive species, carving out a niche for themselves. All of them thrive now.

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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2008, 04:08:32 PM »
Success of a species upon release back to the wild depends on many many factors. Length of domestication, intelligence, how it was handled in capitivity, Knowledge of how to find it's own food, abundance of food, proper environment as well as numerous others. The reason pigs do so well upon release is that they are incredibly smart, falling only after humans & dolphins in that area, they can survive in any environment so long as they can find food & since they can & will eat anything that is hardly ever a problem. The trouble with dumping exotic species has nothing to do with whether that species would be able to survive but the damage that they can do to an existing ecosystem. For example, if you dump a burmese python in the woods of nebraska it won't be an invasive species because it will not survive the winter. However, if you dump that same snake in the Everglades it will be an invasive species because it will thrive will breed will grow & will pose a threat to humans & the resident predator populations.

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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2008, 05:07:49 PM »
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wild mustang horses in the American great plains,
Random bit of info here, but horses ARE a native species to America. They simply died off in the ice age due to human hunting.

So all that happened was that they were REintroduced by European settlers. :-D
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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2008, 05:52:29 PM »
FUN RANDOM FACT!! Camels were also introduced to Arizona by the military. When the animals were no longer needed they were simply released into the Arizona desert. Which is why it is illegal to hunt camels in Arizona. Okay, random rant over.

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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2008, 06:54:37 PM »
Their are camels in Arizona? :?
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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2008, 07:29:02 PM »
Thats a new one on me too

The few times I been there I never seen any   :-o
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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2008, 07:39:53 PM »
I WANT ONE AS A PET NOW. I'd train it to spit on sight at certain people. :-D

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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2008, 08:31:08 PM »
FUN RANDOM FACT!! Camels were also introduced to Arizona by the military. When the animals were no longer needed they were simply released into the Arizona desert. Which is why it is illegal to hunt camels in Arizona. Okay, random rant over.

You just don't learn, do you? Any time someone makes a claim on this forum, I do everything I can to debunk their claim.
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http://www.snopes.com/legal/arizona.asp

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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2008, 08:12:18 AM »
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It seems that every thread I am posting in needs this reminder. -_-
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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2008, 08:17:12 AM »
You are correct, I should have gotten back on topic. I apologize for not noticing your warning from before.

As far as giant hogs, or giant animals in general go...Why do so many people have a hard time believing that, the same way a human can be 9 freakin' feet tall, there are cougars that can get humongous, pigs than get to be the size of cows, and bears that can get to be the size of a small car?
I mean...A mutation is a mutation, regardless of what species it's in.

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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2008, 08:22:17 AM »
I think that it's not because it CAN'T happen, but because they all would die of in the wild. Human giants happen because of something going wrong with the pituitary gland, usually a tumor. Without modern day science, they would eventually die before they even reach their 20s.

Now, animals versions of 20s happen MUCH faster than ours, so they could only live for a few years before dyeing. & add all the dangers of living "free" & you can see why they would die. Plus, even if they DO, bears & pigs are he only ones who even have a shred of a chance of getting enough food to survive. imply cuz they can eat ANYTHING.

Ligers, for instance are the cat's version of giants. They are so huge, & need so much food, that they could never catch enough game to survive, they only survive in captivity cuz of all the free food handed to them by their keepers.
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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2008, 08:24:31 AM »
You have a very good point, actually.
There was a "giant" tiger (as if they weren't big enough :laugh:) in India, actually, that managed to survive as long as it did simply because it didn't have anything else to compete with in the area it lived. Just lots and lots of deer and wild pigs.
So, yeah, it makes sense that people would be skeptical of a giant animal, but so many people act like it's some bizarre, otherwordly impossibility.
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Re: Hog From Hell
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2008, 08:29:27 AM »
Of course they do, people now a days are so obsessed with crap like MTV, that they never even see the real world. Only reason why people like us on this forum managed to make them think "monsters" aren't real.

Now, back in the medieval ages & such, people did actively believe in giant animals & dragons & monsters, cuz they NEW that such possibilities could exist. They just couldn't explain it with modern day science, that's all.
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