The limitations of Magik

[maggot man]

Am I correct to say none exist where the ability of magik to affect one's reality is concerned? Given that magik is a force that influences the forces of the universe to conspire together to make the desired changes, logic should dictate that its potential should know no true boundary since it draws on the collective energy of creation which is capable of altering anything?

[Phantom X]

You are absolutly correct, MM. (Though some of the magick rules I posted contradict that) Also, I do have a sort of spell/ritual type of help that you may have been searching for. When I get to my home computer (Im at my grandparents now, though I think I left Monstrous and all my messengers online at home  ) I will PM you the link.

Hope it will help you,

~Phantom

[jordyn]

Am I correct to say none exist where the ability of magik to affect one's reality is concerned? Given that magik is a force that influences the forces of the universe to conspire together to make the desired changes, logic should dictate that its potential should know no true boundary since it draws on the collective energy of creation which is capable of altering anything?

that's sounds like a chaotician?!?! 

i recommend people read the monkey's paw...when inquiring about power limitations and magic.

human based rational should be the boundary...in an ideal world, magic is limitless, one can achieve their hearts desire, but do they really need it,  is it really best to receive it, what would anyone learn or have to strive for if they could blink their eyes and have it granted?

the potential is there, but absolute power corrupts absolutely, and if one fails to make their proper checks, someone or something will...

the smart one's gleen wisdom from their experiences, and thank those who presented them with their lesson.

[Phantom X]

With your way of thinking Im astounded that you can use magick at all.

[jordyn]

With your way of thinking Im astounded that you can use magick at all.

i think you'd be amazed at the magicks i use...but those come from being able to expand beyond glamorization, expectation and being driven by more, sustaining desires and wants,  rather than do as i will, get what i want despite anything or anyone else...but that comes with time and understanding of the greater scheme of things.

i had my hey day of making people cry and quiver in fear, begging me to release them from some torment, too easily sending "demons" into nightmares...

i was powerful, my world was an oyster, and i was a frighteningly dark person....but i never found any peace or happiness, i was always striving for a bigger high...and realized if i bore a child into that environment...it wouldn not be an emotionally healthy place for her.

i'll take happiness over raw power any day...and most of that is diverted to keeping two children with the same, heritage as mine safe, until they can do so on their own, having an ability to protect them, until they can understand and learn that those creatures in the corners and hiding in the walls, have no power over them...sage, shut doors and nightlights help out too.

my dad taught me how to interact with them, work with them, utilize them, but not keep them at bay or out of my head, i learned that on my own, and am learning how to guide my duaghters in defense rather than offense.

there is no magic  that can compare to creating life, no matter what one perceives they are able to do with it, and no magician can touch that level of love; God came close, but look what happened to his children.

[maggot man]

Those who have borne more than their fair share of suffering, deserve any hope that magik can grant them. If fate has been less than fair to us, we would not be wrong to take matters into our own hands, provided we do no wrong to others. 

[Phantom X]

Equivilent Exchange 

(Jordyn, we shall continue our little battles at a later date when I have my strength back)

[Lord Pisces luffy]

To alter this reality in a big way is impossible.  Just for the idea that reality was created just like many others.  Or so to say this reality is " a childs imagination".

[jordyn]

To alter this reality in a big way is impossible.  Just for the idea that reality was created just like many others.  Or so to say this reality is " a childs imagination".

the problems from creating personal reality, only come if you insist your reality apply to others, living in their own version of reality...at that point it becomes insanity.

[Phantom X]

To alter this reality in a big way is impossible.  Just for the idea that reality was created just like many others.  Or so to say this reality is " a childs imagination".

I have read that mages (note the plural) tried and supposedly accomplished changing reality to their own doing. As jordyn said, that leads to insanity. You would have to have a personal spot for every person on this planet and ones that wont come in for awhile. So, basically, if you are a believer of higher power(s), they are the only ones who could accomplish that.

[Lord Pisces luffy]

To alter this reality in a big way is impossible.  Just for the idea that reality was created just like many others.  Or so to say this reality is " a childs imagination".

the problems from creating personal reality, only come if you insist your reality apply to others, living in their own version of reality...at that point it becomes insanity.

Personal Reality is completely possible!  More people have done it then they know......But it can not be done in this "reality".  The fact of the matter is my beliefs is there are endless realitys like or unlike our own that are create with the mind.  We ourselves could have been created this way......

[Necropolis]

Am I correct to say none exist where the ability of magik to affect one's reality is concerned? Given that magik is a force that influences the forces of the universe to conspire together to make the desired changes, logic should dictate that its potential should know no true boundary since it draws on the collective energy of creation which is capable of altering anything?

There is only one limit and that is imagination. Science really only has one limitation and it is the same one. If you understand enough you can do anything. Every set of physics is superseeded by another.

[Searune]

magic has no limits if you know how to use it.

[Phantom X]

Magick has limits, lit wit. If it didnt, it would be:
1) Easier to prove
2) Very popular
3) IN everyday life

[Searune]

not true christianity made it  look evil so that people won't practice it