Demon Rings

[Angelus]

Why not? It all depends on the INTENT of the person selling the item.

True.

[LeXtruX]

I think it's quite clear, someone uses LoTR or smth like that to sell rings wannabees want to have and want to believe is real (Wizard's First Rule (sword of truth series), I see it more and more each day) or it is real and dangerous... either way, it's a scam and I do think it isn't the latter one...
I think we came to a conclusion in this topic? don't you guys/gals agree? It's about time someone closes this topic right?

[Muerte]

Its amazing what some people will sell. Also it depends on the persons definition of the words. Demon can be used very loosely, it could just be a spirit and trapped could just be another way of saying tethered or attached. Much like the christan belief that a cross carries devine protection or a Saint Christopher pendant can give us guidance by Saint Christopher himself. Some people just jazz up the lingo to make it sound cooler than it is.

  BRAVO!!!!  This thought had occurred to me long ago (though my term was Poltergeist).  After all it would be much easier to tether a spirit to an object than it would be a demon would it not.  That and the spirit would cause just as much damage to the untrained observer.  Also the one who attaches the spirit would run a much smaller risk by dealing with a human spirit as opposed to a demonic one. 

  I want to ask a question.  What does a circle represent in magic?

  Oh hell, I just can't wait for someone to answer this so....

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_circle

  Now what about the metals used to make the rings?  Yes, metals posses a definite place when used in magics.  I'll let you guys play with that one for a bit.  (I do however think we have diluted the trapped entity from Demon down to ghost/poltergeist).

[Moloch]

Its amazing what some people will sell. Also it depends on the persons definition of the words. Demon can be used very loosely, it could just be a spirit and trapped could just be another way of saying tethered or attached. Much like the christan belief that a cross carries devine protection or a Saint Christopher pendant can give us guidance by Saint Christopher himself. Some people just jazz up the lingo to make it sound cooler than it is.

  BRAVO!!!!  This thought had occurred to me long ago (though my term was Poltergeist).  After all it would be much easier to tether a spirit to an object than it would be a demon would it not.  That and the spirit would cause just as much damage to the untrained observer.  Also the one who attaches the spirit would run a much smaller risk by dealing with a human spirit as opposed to a demonic one. 

  I want to ask a question.  What does a circle represent in magic?

  Oh hell, I just can't wait for someone to answer this so....

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_circle

  Now what about the metals used to make the rings?  Yes, metals posses a definite place when used in magics.  I'll let you guys play with that one for a bit.  (I do however think we have diluted the trapped entity from Demon down to ghost/poltergeist).

Quite true. I wear a pair of Tungsten steel rings; one is my original wedding band, the other is its replacement. Each has a definite and noticeable effect on my focus, and it increases exponentially over time... Also, just to get you kids interested; Tungsten steel is just about the only alloy or element which WILL NOT accept any imbuing, or cannot be imbued with ease. So, no spells, ties, or entrapments can be laid within my rings.

[LeXtruX]

talking about focus, I can open up all chakras from root to troath at will without meditation, I'dd say you don't really need external items to get focus, just practice...
Also
Wizard's first rule!!!!!!!!! remind what I've stated in other threads: People are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want it to be true; or they're afraid it's true.
this works not only from person A to person B
if you want the rings to work to advance your power they will because you'll get more focused you'll believe you'll be able to use the full extent of your powers because of the rings, but it's between your ears like we say it in belgium...
The items themselves in most cases don't do s**t except make you believe that you can do it with those on you.
there are items that give boosts though, but they are rare, more common are those that drain your powers because they emmit negative energy and negative substances that make you ill or tired...
True power comes from within! if I would hand you a plain plastic ring and I would deceive you saying that it works and you'll be able to use your powers at will to the extent that you are 200% sure it will work you will have the confidence that will make it work, but guess what... if you believe in your own will and when it finally works the results are more amazing because the power will be nothing compared to the effects of fake rings and such.
I'm doing what I was taught here, train your will and practice. That's what I'm doing and I believe in myself
Also I have a drive that I find may come in the open now: (directed to Moloch) Moloch says that all by all I'm weak... I train because I need to power to protect those I love that are unaware of the dangers surrounding them. but also I want to prove him wrong, sry Moloch, you're wrong and I'll prove it, I'm getting stronger by the day. if you want I will pm you the achievements I've gained so far since our last contact via via.

believe in yourself, find a good drive to keep your focus on your goal and you'll get there without external focus materials. I've never needed them and I have a concentrationdisorder... if you want it, really want it, you can overcome anything by your will alone.

please my offer of pointing out my theoretical flaws still stands... this is my opinion and what I use to get by, it works for me, but this does not mean it's true.

[Moloch]

talking about focus, I can open up all chakras from root to troath at will without meditation, I'dd say you don't really need external items to get focus, just practice...
Also Wizard's first rule!!!!!!!!! remind what I've stated in other threads: People are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want it to be true; or they're afraid it's true.
this works not only from person A to person B
if you want the rings to work to advance your power they will because you'll get more focused you'll believe you'll be able to use the full extent of your powers because of the rings, but it's between your ears like we say it in belgium...
The items themselves in most cases don't do s**t except make you believe that you can do it with those on you.
there are items that give boosts though, but they are rare, more common are those that drain your powers because they emmit negative energy and negative substances that make you ill or tired...
True power comes from within! if I would hand you a plain plastic ring and I would deceive you saying that it works and you'll be able to use your powers at will to the extent that you are 200% sure it will work you will have the confidence that will make it work, but guess what... if you believe in your own will and when it finally works the results are more amazing because the power will be nothing compared to the effects of fake rings and such.
I'm doing what I was taught here, train your will and practice. That's what I'm doing and I believe in myself
Also I have a drive that I find may come in the open now: (directed to Moloch) Moloch says that all by all I'm weak... I train because I need to power to protect those I love that are unaware of the dangers surrounding them. but also I want to prove him wrong, sry Moloch, you're wrong and I'll prove it, I'm getting stronger by the day. if you want I will pm you the achievements I've gained so far since our last contact via via.

believe in yourself, find a good drive to keep your focus on your goal and you'll get there without external focus materials. I've never needed them and I have a concentrationdisorder... if you want it, really want it, you can overcome anything by your will alone.

please my offer of pointing out my theoretical flaws still stands... this is my opinion and what I use to get by, it works for me, but this does not mean it's true.

I never said what kind of focus, Lex... And you have an inkling of what I can do when I set my mind to it. Others here have far more than an inkling.

As for my comments about Tungsten steel alloys, they are based on research, both external, and personal. Can I imbue them, and make them accept energies? Certainly. But I am no ordinary magical practitioner, and so cannot simply say this because your average little pagan will never be able to do what I do.

As for what you can do, Lex; don't get cocky.

there are items that give boosts though, but they are rare, more common are those that drain your powers because they emmit negative energy and negative substances that make you ill or tired...

You have been told what I am, and some of what I am capable, and since then I have grown more in every direction... exponentially more, and even back then, Negative energies were my bread and butter - as we say here in the US. I am an energetic toxic waste dump, young man. Never forget it. I also understand more of what you speak on than you even dream that you grasp. So, please, stop lecturing me on matters that I can lay waste to you on.

Moloch says that all by all I'm weak... I train because I need to power to protect those I love that are unaware of the dangers surrounding them. but also I want to prove him wrong, sry Moloch, you're wrong and I'll prove it, I'm getting stronger by the day.

If you have grown so much, use your newfound strengths and gaze on me, as Kreepy once did. He was by far and away stronger than you, and even he fell out of his chair in sheer terror at what he saw. And this was a couple of years ago, before I began to advance again.

But, by all means, train, practice. Work to become the best you can be. There is nothing wrong with that. Just don't measure your success against the likes of me, or Kreepy; you will likely be disappointed.

[LeXtruX]

moloch, please don't feel directed by the focus, I KNOW what you are, and if you use a focus it won't be for what someone would buy demon rings for...
I'm well aware you don't need them for that, I'm stating that others shouldn't turn to focus items too quickly because it's a weakness.
About your rings, that's cool^^
I don't lecture you, never my intention. I apoligize if it came over that way.
about my advancing in training is to show you I'm not as weak as you state I am, nothing more.
I keep all advice you've given me close to heart and in my mind at all times
If you don't mind I'll pm you now on what I have achieved in the time since the last time you helped me out.
edit: also: I'll try my best not to get cocky ^^ I can't do much now, maybe never will, but I can perhaps become more than you said I can be that's what I want to reach

[jordyn]

unless it was actually made by the person selling it...i don't see how binding something spiritual to a cheap piece of jewelery would be possible...in most bindings there are always symbols required and some metals are better at containing spiritual energy than others...not to mention settings and other fabrication methods, someone who actually knows how to work with metal could do it. otherwise it could be any pewter/tin quarter machine ring.  i don't thinf many people could afford the materials to make a ring that would hold anything with a significant will...eastern metalsmiths are the original spritual metalurgists, so naturally they could forge something that fantastic, like a gold oil lamp and easily chase the symbols to forever imprint them.

[Moloch]

Lex - Understand that I speak from a level of experience you have no idea of yet, and no, you don't know what I am now. You only know what I was. The difference between these two states of being is as great a gulf as the one between what I was and what you are. Understand that I do not say these things to discourage you, but to educate you. It is fine and desirable to teach a youngling to look at the sky and wish for the stars, but it would be irredeemably irresponsible to not teach you to set realistic goals for working towards those stars.

Look at it this way: You are an Earthling, and you have been visited by a being from across the cosmos who arrived without the aid of any ship or any technology you understand. You decide that you want to be able to do the same thing. However, you haven't even mastered flight yet.

Get off the ground first, youngling.

Jordyn - I actually noticed this effect after I got married and this with the original band. I had bought it because it was nigh on indestructible. After I noticed the effect, I did some research. There are no symbols on either of my rings, and considering the nature of Tungsten steel, there never will be unless I reforge them.

[Angelus]

We got way off topic here.

[Moloch]

Not so much. We're still talking about rings and all that stuff. This is more of a sub-topic. I do agree, however, that we need to find a way to get lost in the topic though.

[jordyn]

@ moloch: you have a demon in your ring?  my response was actually in reference to the original question from the perspective of a metalsmith that understands the spiritual realm. i don't know who made your rings but there are so many metals out there now and people who mix and match them that i'll need another two year degree to understand it beyond smithing.  i imagine if the wearer's will is stronger than the bound spirit's, maybe...until it found it's escape, i sure as heck wouldn't buy it online, i'd just forge it myself.        it got backon topic.

[Moloch]

Heh, no, no demon in my rings. Unless maybe you're calling me a demon; in which case, thank you for the compliment/insult.

[jordyn]

a properly fabricated piece of jewelery will survive time, no enchantments required.  however trapping, binding or other infusing would have to be done during creation. in my not so humble opinion as an apprentice metalsmith.  i'd never compare you to an insignificant demon, a dichotomy of arcane knowledges possibly but that's not a bad thing, i doubt you could be contained in a ring anyhow.

[LeXtruX]

Moloch, please do not be offended if I stated things that came over wrong, I did not refer to you, but was stating towards other younglings like myself

Look at it this way: You are an Earthling, and you have been visited by a being from across the cosmos who arrived without the aid of any ship or any technology you understand. You decide that you want to be able to do the same thing. However, you haven't even mastered flight yet.

Get off the ground first, youngling.

I haven't mastered it yet, but I have some theories on how I would be able to do it. But I'm far from even trying them out. I did learn acceleration a while back, but haven't mastered it yet.